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hes clearly not Σ( ￣□￣||)

I don't understand how we can't see that heasoo is suffering, I miss his good mood at the beginning, he's been so sad since the call with joowon
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_or_hate_yeongha/uu/love_or_hate_yeongha-chapter-1/6/

fr on my reread i noticed how lively & animated the beginning was, esp joowon and haesoo. everything from the color changes to the facial expressions reflects the change in haesoo’s mental state...and it’s definitely not to feeling comfort. why do people try to argue that

haesoo's relationship w joowon before everything started going downhill>>>

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_or_hate_yeongha/uu/d_chapter-3/pg-4/



http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_or_hate_yeongha/uu/d_chapter-3/pg-5/



http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_or_hate_yeongha/uu/love_or_hate_yeongha-chapter-8/4/

lmao the first link messed up whoops:

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_or_hate_yeongha/uu/d_chapter-3/pg-4/

ah yes, back when there were comedic scenes and bright colors. good times.

same for me, i reread it, they have changed so much ... heesoo is not happy without joo won,

I was writing the same thing. You’re right omg . Joowon has a huge evolution while he was not present in the last chapters. And taku has no evolution even if we see it in all the chapters. HEASOO YOU NEED TO MOVE AND SEE THE PERSON WHO SINCERELY LOVES YOU, AND WHO IS JUST IN FRONT OF YOU...

for real the only argument i’ve seen for taku’s development is that “he’s fallen in love for the first time.” falling in love is not a personality trait christ

right sis that's exactly it, I have already discussed too much with closed-minded taku stan who had no arguments

yo silent dislikers just @ me bring some food to
the table (that’s not: baby experiencing love for the first time)

You know they dont have much to offer

they always dislike but they never bring points like??? why are joowon stans writing essays and taku stans completely silent. sue me but i like debates and they never provide for me smh

I don't want to create conspiracy theory... But once my post had about 14 likes (in few hours). In 2 minute it got above 10 dislikes. Idk if seriously someone has multiple accounts or something. Or it was coincidence. But it was strange.

Joowon has the biggest development. That's rather clear. But I'm rather afraid his thread will end .... Exactly on that. Acknowledging he grew up, matured and that's the happy ending, outcome of the whole situation.

Same I feel like it's the end for him, i don't know if you have read the chapter 85 ... I'm not sure but I see the translation in inst4gram and heasoo say something like "you seemed like you´d live well even without him »I'm afraid things will end like this.

Me*

Yes but it's hardly happy ending. When the guy looks like depressed wreck, who doesn't enjoy much in his life (his job makes him even more miserable) and doesn't have anyone beside Haesoo... So I'm not sure about this being happy ending. It looks rather stretched.

I want to know, how joowon feel and want about Heasoo, joowon can’t be happy without him, it’s the only one who can save him from everything,

I don't think he said things will end like this. Let's just wait for the official English translation before concluding. I am hanging on to the little faith I have left. Overall I want to see jowoon laugh and smile sincerely.

I also hope with all my heart. maybe heaso was talking about the past of when they were together without really being...

I always notice this. and it was weird for me that a lot of accnts actually dislikes comments just supporting joowon lol. but then i concluded some probably just have multiple acctns

I see this as haesoo being the usual insecure cos he thinks he is not that important to joowon’s life. “you seemed like you’d live well even without me”

When obviously to us, joowon is suffering without him.

first of all i kinda agree? i think ahaha i’ll have to do more reflecting and think about it. i think i agree with most of what u said. i’m mostly commenting bc lmao we wrote ours at about the same time djdkkd this story be making us write whole ass essays

okay reflection time done.

i used be more of a taku stan type of person but as i’ve grown older i find myself being more of a joowon stan type of person. so in a way i am mix of both and i also lowkey stan both but lean a bit more towards joowon so this is actually really quite accurate

sis i feel you about that essay thing. i’ve written so much for LoH i’m lowkey embarrassed but writing your thoughts out is healthy i think. also feel you about being a taku stan because honestly me too. i did like him a lot early on, but somewhere along these 80+ chapters i just sort of stopped and i can’t pinpoint why.

omg glad to know someone else feels the same way djdk i literally went off in my friends dms just a bit ago she’s gonna wake up to quite a surprise

oh and i actually meant the personality traits wise djkdkd. bc i like joowon a bit more than taku. i am my current self but parts of my younger self are still there. i possess more joowon stan qualities but i also possess some taku stan qualities. if that makes sense?

ugh this!!! a dream is the perfect way to describe their situation. it also ties in really well with ch. 80’s nightmares and being the one to wake yourself up from it all. there’s so much good analysis (and bad lol) here and im praying that youngha is actually a mastermind and not just dragging this triangle on only to take the easiest way out :/

people who call themselves realists are the most delusional omg you're really thinking its more realistic to save a relationship that failed for 10 years than having a romantic love story where two save each other? oh girl, i know so many people who had a similar story like t&h, but j&h's? not one single couple

chill. i’m kind of sick of your responses tbh. somehow you always manage to ruin peaceful and thoughtful discussions—but oh well, i supposed that’s a taku stan. and i’m also not surprised by how many taku stans are butthurt by the word “realist”. how are you not mistaking infatuation with love? try falling in love with someone in a month, okay?

also not surprised by how many taku stans were too butthurt by the word “realist” that they didn’t understand anything that i was talking about, which was LITERARY realism and LITERARY romanticism. as in, the fucking literature movements that exhibited the qualities that i listed above. not realism: what you’ve seen before and what you haven’t.

I agree with this. Nice insight. Taku stans wouldn't be happy to see this though. The truth is bitter.

How many years have you lived for and how many people do you know in life out billions of people in the world. Because you haven't seen doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

why are you telling me to try falling in love with someone within a month? you think its that hard? its really not.
and yes it did trigger me because there's nothing that triggers me more than joowon stans using the word realist

i’m just going to say one last thing before i block you: everything you just said proves exactly why taku stans are NOT realists. does taku like haesoo? of course. does haesoo like taku back? maybe. have they been through trial and error, been forced to use communication—ever even left the honeymoon stage of their relationship? absolutely not. even your phrasing that their relationship is about “saving each other” is hopelessly romantic. versus with joowon, people want rebuilding, for them to talk, to repair. nothing has ever been unrealistic about that

Preach!!!!!!!! I don't even know how they are saving each other. When taku is hurt in every chapter by haesoo. Taku himself is confused. He thinks he loves haesoo but what do I know.

honestly. nothing pisses ME off more than when taku stans preach that their relationship is about saving. please, problems like a long on and off relationship can’t be solved by directly entering a new one. building a relationship off of a savior mentality—THATS how codependency starts.

Where is the comfort. Taku is constantly stressed that haesoo doesn't love him and haesoo is constantly stressed about jowoon and his relationship with taku he is scared that his selfishness will hurt him. So tell me where is the comfort. They are together physically not emotionally. They are always thinking about stuff.

Do you really think that they will last long. The thread holding taku's sanity is getting thinner and thinner. How long will he last before he lose the sanity. Jowoon and haesoo needs closure. Because it doesn't make sense for them to meet in the future and everything becomes awkward with plenty tension.

Lmfao since when relationships save people. They can help but in the end it's all about you.

Lmfao so triggered about word realistic?
For real.

Exactly. Very good point and good OP.

On the serious note. I'm curious... Why they can't be realistic? Because I myself know few, problematic relationships which after many fails, problems in the end made it.
I also know relationships or read about such...which were supposed to be healing, were perfect which not only failed but ended in tragedy.
So tbh there is no rule.

I think every fan has different reasoning but I notice that many fans shallow the story to "poor damsel in distress being saved by prince charming from abusive, toxic satanic ex".
Unfortunately or rather fortunately the story is not so simple. Haesoo is not helpless, innocent damsel in distress. Taku isn't perfect prince charming. And Joowon is not toxic satan without positive qualities.

"“saving each other” is hopelessly romantic. versus with joowon, people want rebuilding, for them to talk, to repair. nothing has ever been unrealistic about that"

Tbh I don't understand what's unrealistic about that. The problem is that their relationship always faced many (rather not typical) obstacles and they shaped/ impacted their relationship. They also lacked communication.
So I don't understand what's unrealistic about two people who rethought their relationship, who grew and developed on their own, who would enter the relationship not as the same people, who would be open to discussion about their issues, who would put effort and work hard to make it work... What's unrealistic about that?

idk how these two taku stans always managed to butt in and force their opinions on others. Like we get it, you dont like joowon and haesoo together, move on. I suggest you guys block them and continue with your healthy discussions.

i came back to mute this but guys lavender literally said those were their observations for MOST not all, u don’t even have to agree, and plus this was for fun there’s nothing wrong with being specifically a romantic and realist, both have their own benefits and flaws. if u are joowon stan and think you’re a romantic that’s fine! if you’re a taku stan and think you’re a realist that’s absolutely fine as well! hell u could even be both, everyone is different. no need to argue about the plot

I feel so hurt right now. I can't believe haesoo will do that. Jowoon worked hard to achieve his popularity. And all haesoo could think of is using the scandal to promote himself and taku's exhibition. He couldn't even say no to the president, call jowoon and ask him how he feels.
This is why you shouldn't love selfish people like haesoo. No one cares about jowoon.

bro did he really say that he was going to use joowon’s scandal to promote himself and taku? i cant read korean but if this is true then i’m out. sick of straight up using joowon as a plot device for taku and haesoo.

I don't know if you saw the latest chapter but *spoilers*







Haesoo laughing with taku over the phone while Joowon is genuinely worried... I started to hate heasoo...

WAIT WHAT? I too didn't understand much but i'm gonna be shocked if those were haesoo's intentions o.o ngl i'd feel rly bad for joowon and that would make haesoo SUCH a snake

The president of jowoon' agency suggested that they use the scandal to promote him and taku's exhibition. haesoo didn't say no or even say "let jowoon come and we will decide what to do". He just said okay, if that's the best he could do. He thought about when his manager suggested using jowoon to promote his book.

He thought that. But Joowon stormed in before he agreed.

Why didn't he say no to the president. He should have said when jowoon comes we will decide what to do not keep mute and think about when his manager suggested he use jowoon to promote his book.

how do we know that though?? like yeah thats what the manager said to invite haesoo on a deal that benefits mostly his agency but maybe haesoo's intentions were different?

Tbh I'm rather surprised (in negative way) that Haesoo didn't contact Joowon first instead he started making deals behind his back.

There is also a chance they are already outed in "interview with the victim".

i'm shooketh too. i totally expected them to meet up first. this is all looking bad and fishy but it'll clear up

Why will haesoo think about that after the president suggested that they use the scandal to promote him and taku's exhibition. He didn't even think "omg jowoon will be sad and will be having a difficult time. Let me call or send a message and ask if he is okay."

i neeevver understand the 'love ot hate' title and i stopped believing it has any deep meaning.
i think the only big issue of this story is that it's been dragged. people would've been upset either way, whether it was t endgame or j endgame, but the fact that its dragged bothers everyone.
maybe she did for money or maybe it was just an unintentional mistake. i can talk from my own writing experience that it happens to authors they drag a story without realizing it or because they're struggling with making a story line

yeah but we really haven't seen the both sides of the coin yet ://

Yeah. Let's hope we are wrong. I really pray so though.

I dropped this a few months ago because seeing Joowon in such pain was stressing me out, but periodically check the comments. Ya know I had a sinking feeling about the Fools redraw, if you get my meaning. If Joowon’s sole purpose is just a plot device for H & T relationship, I think it’s because he’s the most compelling character in the story. At least for me. I won’t read if author does some kind of tidy, trite wrap-up like 10 years later and he’s married with kids and everybody’s supposed to be happy and well adjusted. Nope, and nope. I guess we’ll see, though- maybe she will surprise us still.

Tbh if J&H didn't end up together (which is very likely), I'd say it's rather possible ending (the time skip, Joowon with wife and kids, giving rather illusory vibe that everyone is happy).
As I said before for me the time skip would be rather uncreative and boring solution.
But I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest

That kind of ending would be so indescribably lame, and cheapen the entire work.

What I was hoping for this chapter was Joowon seeing Haesoo's will to give him emotional support, only for him to think all the times were Haesoo was annoyed or straight up angry with him for looking to a reason to see him thanks to a scandal / minor incovinience. Joowon would tell him it was okay and that he can go, only for Haesoo to realize that all the feelings that came natural for him aren't "allowed" anymore since he said with own mouth he didn't want to give up his life, work or even his relationship with Taku for Joowon. Which ironically he didn't do this chapter.

But I'm really petty, not going to lie. Two chapters ago he was acting like his life was falling apart but now he is joking and trying to normalize a situation that Joowon was falling apart because somehow he is involve? What the hell? He could have said that to not make Taku worried but with the context of Joowon redeeming himself for the past and accepting Haesoo's decisions, this feels so one-sided. I want Joowon to reject Haesoo for different reasons now.

Tbh Haesoo's reaction to the whole scandal looks so flat? Idk maybe we will get deeper insight in next chapters but right now? I'm really surprised.
I had similar expectations as you tbh.
But seeing how Haesoo is rather cool about whole matter, even thinking about proposition of getting him promoted (???). That he didn't really care how his decision will be received by Joowon?
I thought he would at least call, I don't know simple message how Joowon is doing instead of some shady meeting behind Joowon's back. We didn't even see what he thought about Joowon taking the blame on himself.

I just hope we will get better insight on the situation, in Haesoo's thoughts because right now the writting of he's character looks a little bit incoherent? How he is even smiling and joking as if nothing big was happening...

I can understand that Haesoo is moving on... But Joowon has been important person to him for years. He was his "lover", friend, support etc. Add to all of that the phone call scene and Haesoo loosing weight. And suddenly such a cool demeanor?

I don't know what to think about it.

His character*

its really weird, i'm shocked too. but i feel like we haven't seen enough of haesoo's pov. this is so crazy, it cant be real lma

Himself promoted *

But maybe in Haesoo's head his actions protect Joowon and his career. And he didn't contact Joowon because he knew that Joowon would be against it.
The old "I know better what's better for you".

But still the lack of emotions is rather surprising.

Tbh if you are interested in my prediction imo the story will go like:
We will get closure between Haesoo and Joowon in next or in chapter after that one. The rest will be mostly focused on Taku and Haesoo, exhibition etc.
And some short (few panels) scenes with Joowon throwing away the ring. And idk going overseas. Or maybe his thread will end with throwing the ring away.
But who knows maybe author will surprise me.

And then we will or won't get epilogue with time skip featuring among others Joowon with his new family (for example Joowon and his wife + kid/s meeting Haesoo and K on family gathering, in shop idk something cheesy with Haesoo's commentary how he always wanted such future for Joowon).

My problem with him is he keeps concluding everything on his own. Saying this is what is best for us, for you. Same with jowoon's personality. All we have been seeing is haesoo's pov about the characters. Only few of taku's and jowoon 's and you could see the contrast in the povs. Especially in regards to jowoon's. Jowoon is literally willing to sacrifice his career for him. Might be unrealistic to us but that is jowoon's decision.

Tbh I have few predictions but this is rather likely imo.
But who knows. I think next chapter will clear some things. Or chapter after next chapter.

It's the regression of character for me. The way that Haesoo STILL is assuming and deciding over Joowon, it's annoying. Even if we didn't get to see his thought process, his actions in this chapter are questionable. At this point it should be know that only trusting one point of view in this manhwa is incorrect since even the characters themselves don't know the whole story, but I geniaully can't comprenhed what happened here since Haesoo has never behaive this way.

Almost get the feeling that somebody else wrote this but I most be tripping. Like, the flashbacks? The thoughts of how is Joowon doing? Questioning if Joowon feels the same way he does? Realizing that his relationship with him was pretty normal since they were there for eachother? What? WHAT? If Haesoo's arc is going to be about how he distance himself for the past, then why is necessary for Jooowon to be stuck in the past while he takes everything that Haesoo decides? I-

Joowon better defend his decision this time, not because I like him taking responsability all by himself but becase I'm sick and tired of him not having a voice or even chance in the narrative of this.

Totally conceivable, unfortunately.

Tbh I regret that such a big part of the story was mostly narrated by Haesoo and we have seen it through his eyes. I'd like to see more of Joowon's and Taku's insight.

I agree it's kind of regressive. Joowon accepted Haesoo's wishes. He stayed away, didn't contact him. But now Haesoo is making deals behind his back.
Like seriously Joowon's career is more important than his feelings, than his wellbeing?

"I geniaully can't comprenhed what happened here since Haesoo has never behaive this way.
Almost get the feeling that somebody else wrote this but I most be tripping. Like, the flashbacks? The thoughts of how is Joowon doing? Questioning if Joowon feels the same way he does? Realizing that his relationship with him was pretty normal since they were there for eachother? What? WHAT? If Haesoo's arc is going to be about how he distance himself for the past, then why is necessary for Jooowon to be stuck in the past while he takes everything that Haesoo decides? I-"
I have the same feeling. Like we have seen different Haesoo through the story. Even not such a long time ago. And suddenly this? It doesn't make bigger sense to me.

"Joowon better defend his decision this time, not because I like him taking responsability all by himself but becase I'm sick and tired of him not having a voice or even chance in the narrative of this."
I also hope that he will not stay passive and will be determined to stand by what he believes in.

Yes as I said to user above. I really regret that most of the story is narrated by Haesoo and we have seen it through his eyes. I'd love to see more insight of Joowon or Taku.

I'm still surprised that Haesoo's more worried about Joowon's career than his wellbeing? About his feelings? How is he doing? Like it wouldn't hurt him to call him or write even a short message.
But idk anymore.

i was wondering why haesoo doesn't know that joowon cares more about haesoo than his career and i think it might be because joowon always made it seem like he cares about what others think of them. haesoo believes joowon cares about that a lot. after all thats why joowon said 'dont fall for me' in the first place

just a random guess though

But like it was Joowon's decision to take everything on himself so the message was rather clear that he is willing to risk his career.
"joowon always made it seem like he cares about what others think of them"???? I don't understand this conclusion tbh?
Joowon said "don't fall for me" because they were just kids? And their feeling would have never been approved by their parents. He would most likely have been send away, overseas, separated in general.

Like Joowon said what he said because he believed he was protecting them...not because he really cared about others' opinion.

The don't fall for me statement was said because of haesoo's mom. Jowoon was slapped by haesoo's mum because of the relationship. After that he made the statement to protect the guy and not put him in a difficult position. Haesoo being closed minded interpreted it in to something else and makes it seem like jowoon said it to make him feel miserable for loving him.

yeah i know! thats now what i meant. i was trying to say that haesoo didn't perceive it that way. unless we know for a fact that haesoo is aware of that. i honestly dont remember

It's 2020 and we still talking about "don't fall for me cause I won't fall for you."

i was using it as an example for a different topic ffs

Like it’s a cardinal sin.

Tbh it wasn't showed clearly how Haesoo interpreted these words. We just know it's a painful memory for him.

But still imo Joowon's actions were rather clear so it would be weird for Haesoo to think that for Joowon his career is more important than him.

And situation at the restaurant. When fans started surrounding them and the wine was spilled on Haesoo. Joowon got really angry and didn't really care about his image or what his fans would think about him.

I personally know that. we all know that. but i was wondering if haesoo maybe doesn't, since his actions just dont make sense.
then again, i feel like we definitely haven't seen both sides of the coin yet

Tbh I don't know how Haesoo would have interpreted it in the way you suggested.
When Joowon said infamous words, just after that he mentioned that he would probably be send away abroad, that they wouldn't see each other again (and that at least "we can still keep seeing each other. Even if it's just like that"). etc.
So it would be weird for Haesoo to interpret it that Joowon cared about others' opinion.

At restaurant it was also clear...like he was there. He saw how Joowon got angry when fans surrounded them and the wine was spilled on him. How he didn't care about what they thought about him, he wasn't trying to be polite because they crossed the line.

So it would be illogical for Haesoo to interpret it in that way imo.

*IDK man i dont believe it either but then why he mfing acting that way*

I think it's more about "I know what's the best for him" kind of logic.

LOUDER

Sometimes while I'm reading comments many of them seriously give off a vibe as if people read the first few chapters and the newest one.

Or select parts that match their pov, and avoid these which don't.

FACTS

Heasoo isn't in the right place to be in a relationship rn. I'm lowkey kinda annoyed it's confirmed there will be an end game. They only way i see it is H x J will end up together and continue the cycle of toxicity and hurting each other. Then H x T he will be hung up on J and unable to move on and unhappy. The best option is for him to at least take sometime away from everyone. Maybe studying abroad wouldn't be so bad. He could start some healthy friendships and figure out his own mind maybe even therapy.

I agree. it is discouraging despite the fact that I really want to support Byeonduck. I hope people could at least understand