The only thing I don’t understand about the people hating on this yaoi is that abusive relationships like this exist in real life, especially in Korea, not everything is happy or nontoxic. And Dan made an agreement with jaekyung in the beginning giving him CONSENT, for all of you talking about rape. Honestly it’s not even as bad as you are saying it is like there is soooo much that could be worse. I do agree about how barely anything has happened but I do think that something is coming soon. Honestly the appeal of this story for me is that he isn’t happy right away and that he is experiencing and feeling all these things that so many people go through. I feel like what makes a lot of people dislike jaekyung in general is because we don’t know why he is the way he is. We get all this background for Dan making us relate or feel bad for him but when it comes to jaekyung we get nothing. I think that lack of information plays a big part on the story and was most likely done on purpose. It’s just that without seeing the human side of jaekyung it’s hard to see him as such. There is obviously some history that will be revealed at some point we just have to wait.
Exactly! There are no details or info about Jaekyung. Not even some background thoughts from him. The closest we had to was when he looked at Dan strangely probably when he found endearing or something. But that's just it. He's the male lead but he's just like there... with no input whatsoever except for being a hot head lol
gonna have to disagree with you on your point about dan’s consent and jae not being a rapist. dan made an agreement because he didn’t have a choice and couldn’t afford to juggle taking care of himself and his grandmas hospital fees, so he signed the contract out of a last ditch effort not because he was fully in control of the decision making. dan and jae have an extreme power imbalance- jae controls his life by giving him a livable salary, covering all the medical bills, paying off his debt, and providing him with a credible job
it’s extremely disingenuous to say dan 100% consented for jae to sexually abuse him. first of all, a contract is not the end-all-be-all for consent and doesn’t excuse all sexual advances jae makes at dan. second of all, let’s not downplay the rape, dehumanizing, and rude behavior jae takes part in just because there’s worse stuff out there in yaoi . his actions ARE bad and holding him accountable/not liking him is because of his actions and a tragic past won’t erase that. it’ll only make us understand his thought process
Y’ all will do anything to justify toxicity at this point…obviously toxic relationships exist ALL around the world, but that doesn’t justify someone being toxic ??? And it’s one thing for dan to consent to the agreement, but it’s another thing for jaekyung to force him into having intercourse while he’s begging him to stop multiple times, also taking into consideration that he’s not doing this because he wants money but because he badly needs money for his grandma, so he’s also being taken advantage of
Y’ all will do anything to justify toxicity at this point…obviously toxic relationships exist ALL around the world, but that doesn’t justify someone being toxic ??? And it’s one thing for dan to consent... yjss
I don't even read this manhwa. I just scrolled through the comments as I was doing a preview and saw your dumbass comment. You literally read Painter of the Night, but you think you have some authority to talk about what "consent" is when POTN is just rape-filled garbage. You are a nastyyyyyy bitch.
gonna have to disagree with you on your point about dan’s consent and jae not being a rapist. dan made an agreement because he didn’t have a choice and couldn’t afford to juggle taking care of himself and... levipleasecallmeback
The brainrot from reading too much toxic shit is real here. M genuinely concerned about the pple who liked this. Don’t get me wrong there’s nothing bad about reading toxic bl, when I read them I personally don’t dig too much bc it’s fiction but what scares me is the readers reacting like this. Even if you didn’t mean to defend any toxicity, you just did right there, probably unconsciously. Dan agreed to the contract but not to the forced sex, like srsly what are u on pls??? And the story behind Jae acting like this couldn’t justify his actions bc the deeds have already been done for fuck’s sake. If the intention of the story is staying true to reality, then it should be tagged as psychology so pple cannot complain about the toxic part bc it would literally be the genre, here I don’t see it so pple can call the bullshit out anytime. I wrote this bc I was worried about y’all but if u want to take this as me being annoying then be it idc.
I don't even read this manhwa. I just scrolled through the comments as I was doing a preview and saw your dumbass comment. You literally read Painter of the Night, but you think you have some authority to talk ... 毛明悦
NAHH SAME THIS MF IS SO FUNNY After i saw their profile pic i immediately understood
The brainrot from reading too much toxic shit is real here. M genuinely concerned about the pple who liked this. Don’t get me wrong there’s nothing bad about reading toxic bl, when I read them I personally ... welfare
damn you didn’t have to eat em up !! emphasis on nothing wrong with consuming stories with controversial shit but tryna deny rape and obvious toxic/sexual abuse is what makes the jinx comment section get so heated. the most obvious example of rape and coercion happens and some smooth brain mf will say “the top has trauma, you guys hate him for no reason” AS IF DAWG IS NOT A WHOLE SERIAL RAPIST
imo since this is fiction i could care less about mfs liking the story, the part that makes me pause is them pretending he ain’t awful?? like ok.. you enjoy him but the blatant lying about his character and actions terrifies me. where is the media literacy!!!
Ray you had many good points to talk about. These relationships do exist. Not everything is happy and nontoxic. In Korea, they still have arranged marriages. Dan did agree but consent can be given and taken away. What is in Jinx is not rape if you pay attention to the story details line by line and get to know the characters. Jaekyung is not a rapist but he is a sexual abuser. Jaekyung has not raped Dan. The people here, like Levi are haters and trolls who are over-critical and will lie about the story for their pov. It could have been so much worse. They act like he is the most toxic seme there is but he is from the shallow end.
There have been a few things that have happened and something is coming soon. Mingwa did her research on how Dan is experiencing and feeling all those things. Unfortunately, many readers don't understand this. And made it to be something else.
With Jaekyung, Mingwa's intention is for people to dislike him even though she gives hints about his real self. We have a few things about Jaekyung. I am not falling for her trick and I see who she has him meant to be. He has bad behaviors that need to be mended.
I really like your comment. It has lots to unpack but as you can tell your opinion is not allowed here. People are not accepting of other pov.
Levi comments Dan had a choice. When Dan said no the first time, Jaekyung was on the cell phone calling someone else. If you ever come to understand Dan he said yes for different reasons. But the point is the actual story is clear Dan could have walked away many times. The contact was the second deal as Levi is trying to make that the first time. Dan changed the amount. He could have walked away and Jaekyung had no clue why he is saying yes to the deal. If you pay attention, Dan has more power than it seems. That power imbalance is used to often showing they don't understand the actual story and trying to make this rape. Levi gaslights you as she gaslights us. Where did you say Dan 100% consented for sexual abuse? You did not. Levi is correct about the contract. But she is not right about the rape or downplaying rape just because she believes it is rape. The actual story it is not rape. She needs to accept it is SA, coercion, and abuse instead of forcing her opinion on others. She came to you to gaslight you and force her opinion on you. It seems when you are neutral or positive with Jaekyung, you get one of the trolls saying don't forget his bad behavior. It is like it must be said each time. You must be as hateful and angry as them or there is something wrong with you. That is disingenuous. You did acknowledge it was toxic and his actions are. But you were too neutral for Levi. Then they act like understand his past will justify or erase his actions or something and they have to mention it does not each time. Hello, My friends and I have been dealing with people like Levi since July. They can't handle opinions or perspectives than their own.
Y’ all will do anything to justify toxicity at this point…obviously toxic relationships exist ALL around the world, but that doesn’t justify someone being toxic ??? And it’s one thing for dan to consent... yjss
No one justifying anything. Why do you have to gaslight? Jaekyung has coercion him but forced him into having sex. Dan was begging? I take into consideration you just wanted to attack and just use the actual story. You don't understand Dan or the story. I want to talk about Jinx, not your fanfiction. Please start engaging in civil conversations. Let's make this a safe place where all opinions are welcomed. Please read Jinx better.
I don't even read this manhwa. I just scrolled through the comments as I was doing a preview and saw your dumbass comment. You literally read Painter of the Night, but you think you have some authority to talk ... 毛明悦
You are the being abusive and toxic. You are talking about yourself. I hope I can stop reading rage-filled garbage like your comment. Please start engaging in civil conversations. Let's make this a safe place where all opinions are welcomed. When you judge others, you don't define them, you define yourself. (from my friend)
The brainrot from reading too much toxic shit is real here. M genuinely concerned about the pple who liked this. Don’t get me wrong there’s nothing bad about reading toxic bl, when I read them I personally ... welfare
The brain rot from reading too many toxic user comments is real. I am genuinely concerned about how the brain rot has caused so many to go after Ray here. There is nothing wrong with reading toxic BL, there is nothing wrong with Ray's comment. He is acting normal. Where you are being abusive and toxic. Ray did not defend the toxicity. Try reading what is actually said and accept other perspectives than your own. You need to go back to the story. Jaekyung used coercion but he never forced sex. He is rough. Rough sex is not forced sex. What are you on pls? Why are you on about Jaekyung and his backstory that would justify his actions? Get new material, please. Bad behavior is never justified. Tagged or not, people would always complain. Ray is normal. Be worried about yourself and how triggered you were over a story to impose positions and degrade them.
I hope I can stop reading brain rot rage-filled garbage like your comment. Please start engaging in civil conversations. Let's make this a safe place where all opinions are welcomed.
FR THESE MF ARE CERTIFIED MEATRIDERS like do what you want but defending rapists ain’t it even if it’s fiction honestly it’s just plain sad welfare
I should have read this too. What more abuse and toxicity? You are triggered by someone having a different opinion than yours. They are calm, neutral, and ask questions. You are being toxic, insulting, raging, and forcing your opinions. You believe Jaekyung is a rapist. That is not the actual story, You are one of the meatriders who will not all another opinion than your own. Ray was not defending anything and he was not defending a rapist who is fake and fictional. What have you triggered so much? Why are you so toxic? Why does it have to be your opinion only? Why do you have to gaslight and attack others who are different from you?
Why are you falling for the rage-bait of the story to be as abusive as Jaekyung is to others? You are attacking real people. Jaekyung and Dan are fake. You are more abusive than Jaekyung. Ray is real and you are imposing positions on him to attack him. I hope I can stop reading rage-filled garbage like your comment. Please start engaging in civil conversations. Let's make this a safe place where all opinions are welcomed. When you judge others, you don't define them, you define yourself. Your bad behavior and the others one here attacking Ray is just plain sad because it is over an opinion on a fictional story.
Is that the uke from potn? I have not read potn. I don't think that is a good conclusion to draw that from a profile pic. Empowered Guardian
They're clearly trying to excuse jaekyungs behavior "relationships like this exist in real life, especially in Korea, not everything is happy or nontoxic" "Honestly it’s not even as bad as you are saying it is like there is soooo much that could be worse" just because there's much worse out there doesnt mean their actions are any better
And seeing that they like potn then that explains why. To sum it up, potn is quite literally rape, Stockholm syndrome kind of story.
They're clearly trying to excuse jaekyungs behavior "relationships like this exist in real life, especially in Korea, not everything is happy or nontoxic" "Honestly it’s not even as bad as you are saying it i... [黄] ₙ ₑ ₖ ₒ
So the picture pic is from potn. Thanks for indirectly answering me. lol I will have to try it one day. TM tried a few chapters and dropped it. I still don't think that explains anything. but okay what ever floats your boat.
About the two quotes.... That is not excusing Jaekyung behavior. That is questioning the haters comments on here.
"The only thing I don’t understand about the people hating on this yaoi is that abusive relationships like this exist in real life, especially in Korea, not everything is happy or nontoxic."
- If I am wrong, Ray would have to explain this one but what I am getting these relationships do exist and you guys are only bothered by a fictional one. Ray is saying not everything is rainbow and sunshine in life. Everything is not happy or nontoxic and you guys are excepting Jinx to be loving and dovely instead of being toxic. Ray was being realistic and questioning the haters on this page who complain about the toxicity. We can read toxic BL but we need to understand it is toxic and not happy or nontoxic. Ray is saying Jaekyung is toxic here "not everything is happy or nontoxic = Jinx is not happy and toxic. There was no excusing of Jaekyung's behavior.
"Honestly it’s not even as bad as you are saying it is like there is soooo much that could be worse."
-This is saying he is toxic but not as bad as many have made him out to be. Did he kill Dan's family? Did he cut and bruise Dan? Did he confide him and tie him up to rape him. He is saying you guys are being over-critical of the story and his actions because Jaekyung could have done a lot worse than he did. It is not about justifying his actions. It is about taking the over-critical mess back to the actual story. There was no excusing of Jaekyung's behavior.
So the picture pic is from potn. Thanks for indirectly answering me. lolI will have to try it one day. TM tried a few chapters and dropped it. I still don't think that explains anything. but okay what ever flo... Empowered Guardian
Everyone enterprets their message differently i guess, but that was how i see it. It's like saying one cant react like that because others have it worse.
Also you should try reading potn and have your own judgement with it, TM dropping it after a few chapters was so understandable, thats how bad it was. Im even shocked myself that i finished it.
"I have my account set to private due to my friends being harassed. There are rumors spread by others on here that is not true.
I have two accounts. This is my second one and I can't log in to my first one that was created in 2020.
I don't share my opinions often. I share facts, research, and the actual stories.
I deserve to be treated with respect, kindness, and good-faith engagement."
Just say you can't handle the truth. You clearly love to have stupid-ass opinions, but as soon as people disagree you want to act like you're being attacked. I don't like minors reading explicit content but I hoping that you're young so you have an excuse to be this dumb.
Rage baiting gaslighting. I am not the facts I post. Facts are not opinions. Attacking someone is not a disagreement. “I hope that you’re young so you have an excuse to be this dumb”
That is an ad hominem. It means you have no argument and have to attack someone. You have lost. Thanks for sharing your lost with me. You are definitely talking about yourself and others like you.
Everyone enterprets their message differently i guess, but that was how i see it. It's like saying one cant react like that because others have it worse. Also you should try reading potn and have your own judge... [黄] ₙ ₑ ₖ ₒ
My blunt honestly in my profile was gaslight for a person attack. People are being sickening here. But reading a message to make it an attack is not a misinterpretation.
Yes you are right people do interpret messages, stories, and situations differently. We all have different experiences, backgrounds and perspectives. There can be thousands way to interpret something but what matters is what they intended. It is best to ask instead of attacking and assuming things.
I can understand why you think that but I don’t think that is what he meant. He just doesn’t understand why Jaekyung is getting more hate than he deserves for what I get. He deserves hate. But people should be allowed to ask questions or be neutral without being attacked.
I willl try to read it soon. My hands are full with taking care of my dad. My dad is not doing well. He was diagnosed with stomach cancer last month. We went for a visit to the surgeon Wednesday for the surgery planned for 3 months. They admitted him that day. They wanted to do the surgery Monday but after some test they did the surgery Friday. Now he is losing blood and can’t keep his oxygen up. He is a hot mess. I don’t think I can stay focused on a story. -.-; I will let you know what I think when I read it.
oh my god what the fuck are you doing here empowered. in case yall don’t remember this person spams the jinx comment section with their one sided drama and constantly harass other users who say jae is a rapist. they too believe dan consents to everything and jae can do no wrong
not even worth engaging with that thing. his arguments don’t even make sense bro calls the rape that happens “rough sex” and dan WANTS it??? bro is the yap terrorist
"I have my account set to private due to my friends being harassed. There are rumors spread by others on here that is not true. I have two accounts. This is my second one and I can't log in to my first one tha... 毛明悦
they do this every time. when you reply to them logically or with evidence they say you’re attacking, cyberbullying, or trolling them. they have the dumbest takes about this story
don’t bother trying to reason with this smooth brain mf who refuses to define rape as rape. idk why they excuse jaes behavior so badly
Levi is gaslighting. I am not the trolls that are impersonating me and spamming the section. I comment like Levi does. If I spam. she spams. If i harass, she harass. Wait she harasses us, we don't harass her.
" they too believe dan consents to everything and jae can do no wrong"
FALSE!! What disgusting gaslighting. My "arguments" are the truth with facts and the actual story that crushes your hateful disgusting opinions. You are the one being dumb and have a dumb take on this story. I define rape as rape. i define sexual assault as SA. I define Sexual coercion as Sexual coercion. I am educated to know the difference. I know the story. I will not define Sexual assault, Sexual assault, or coercion as rape when it is not. Hey Levi, did Jaekyung get raped in chapter 2. He as SAed.
I am here because someone expressed an opinion and haters attacked that person. Levi I want it where everyone can express their opinions freely, You want a fascist place where you degrade, lie, and gaslight others. You are being disgusting and toxic. It is disgusting how fascist you can be and try to force your opinion on others. No matter how many times you gaslight it will not make it true. I never defended Jaekyung. I never excused his behavior. I have always called it out. like I call out your bad behavior. You are the villain here. You only give opinions and never evidence or facts like we do. You have never had a logical conversation with us. You just rage-bait and troll. How you have been treating us is not acceptable and never justifiable. You are worse than Jaekyung because he is fake and we are real. You are trying us like shit, lying about us, gaslighting us because we have a different opinion than you. That opinion is a fact and better aligns with the story. Years later you will regret acting like this. You already know we are right. It is not hard to admit you were wrong but you keep digging that hole with more lies. Stop being toxic and gaslighting. Why do I bother to see the good in you? I know there is good and bad in everyone but is there any good with you or are you just going to keep being a fake person? Your gaslighting doesn't define me. It defines you. You are threatened by the truth I post.
I hope for the day you reply to us logically or with evidence as that would be a good conversation. You never tried. You want to be right and willfully ignorant.
However, it is us who replies with logic and evidence but we get immature gaslighting from the ones who can't admit they are wrong. When people are attacking, cyberbullying and trolling we will say it is attacking, cyberbullying, and trolling. That was childish. I wished Levi would stop being a drama rage-bait queen and start having those logical conversations with evidence with us. I wished Levi was a good person. I know she can be better than this.
I would like to point out that, Neko and I can talk.
I can talk to Mikaela who says this is rape and Jaekyung is a rapist. One of the reasons I share this is not rape is to help enlighten others. But the trolls and the like turns it into a pov vs pov. It has never been a pov vs pov.
It is forcing and attacking others with a pov who thinks differently. Ray was ganged up here. When they claim it is rape, they are rarely ganged up on. They are threathen and show in their personal attacks on others. Levi did many personal attacks on my friends and I. It was gross.
Bottom line: Mikaela can think it is rape. Ray can think it is sexual assault and blah. Tom can see nothing wrong as Levi and other trolls have claimed to the ones that see Sexual assault. Rape is sexual assault. My POV and Levi's POV are so similar. everything she said about me, she is saying about herself too.
Levi can think it is rape. But what is wrong is attacking other people and forcing that opinion on other people. IF you look Levi is trying to be right in her opinion she would gaslight, lie, degrade me, and try to make me wrong. It is not me. I posted facts and the actual story. Levi can't make that wrong. If that don't make sense to Levi, she needs not be on the internet.
But everything Levi has been doing and saying shows she knows she is wrong and don't want to admit it. When I post to a new person to enlighten them. It is not about changing their opinions. I don't want Levi to change her opinions. I want her to stop attacking and making others wrong who have a different opinion. I am going to stand with the actual story and definitions. The definition of rape does not fit. Rape has no choice. Dan had choices and after he said no or stop he gave the green flag again. Read the story as it is and you will see it is not rape. You can think it is rape. I am not saying and look uneducated or stupid as Levi would do. I know it is not rape by the truth. My comments go against Levi's claims. Each time she does that it shows she was threatened by the truth. I claim it is sexual assault, sexual coercion, and abuse but Levi says that is seeing nothing wrong. That is nonsense. This is nonsense to claim I am justifying or excusing Jaekyung's behavior because that is far from my comments but It shows Levi knows she is wrong and does not want to admit it. I am not her punch bag or her doormat. I simply told the truth. She can get over it. What does she get from gaslighting? What does she get from lying? Nothing. She will never grow into the person she is meant to be if she keeps doing this immature Bullshit.
"I have my account set to private due to my friends being harassed. There are rumors spread by others on here that is not true. I have two accounts. This is my second one and I can't log in to my first one tha... 毛明悦
STOP!!! THAT IS THE TROLL!!! THAT IS NOT ME!!! I AM A RAPE APOLOGIST!!!
Warning above is troll. They have been harassing me and my friends for 6 months now. I am the real one. i think jaekyung will leave dan for me,, thats why i ride his imaginary dick
毛明悦 I post the truth and definitions. I don't post my opinions. Now you know why the trolls and people like you don't like my friends and me. We call out your bad behavior to have a good conversation with you. They don't like the truth and especially when it shows their opinions are wrong or their behavior is wrong. It has nothing about disagreeing with me as the person is disagreeing with the truth. If I correct you that Dan is 29 which is said twice, it is not my opinion but I can't stop you from attacking with ad hominems being wrong in what you claimed. If you think as hominems are disagreements that is stupid. I have been attacked, defamed, and more. That is from people like you disagreeing with the facts and actual story I post. If I don't post my opinions how do you know you are disagree with me? Or what my views are? Like you, I may not read this story. I don't think you have the right to an opinion here due to not reading the story.
Calling someone out isn't meant to harm someone–it's meant to point out where someone went wrong in hopes of them correcting themself and apologizing. Being called out isn't the same thing as being attacked. Being attacked is a malicious intent to hurt
Levi has never called us out, She has attacked with the malicious intent to hurt. You have attacked with the malicious intent to hurt. I have called you both out. It is for you to stop the bad behaviors and have civil conversations on here.
I am concerned about the toxic behavior that ruins this page and site. It is important that this should be a fun and positive space for everyone to enjoy their interests but it is not due to many hateful people. They will misunderstand positive space, that does not always being positive, it has nothing to do with comments or opinions.
You as part of the fandom don't have a positive or safe space to share your comments without them attacking. They can share their hate and spew their hate without anyone commenting against them. And you don't have to be part of the fandom, you can hate this story but have a different opinion from the hive mind and be attacked. That person hated JK and the story and they forced her into a position of loving both so they could just attack her. This has been on since the comments came back. They camp out here just to attack people different from them and people from the fandom. All opinions should be welcome. Hateful comments attacking people are not opinions. And people who are overly criticizing and attacking the story or characters are not opinions.
Empowered Guardian February 25, 2024 10:32 pm I forgot to take my schizophrenia meds pls forgive my earlier comments (all above one) and two comments after.
毛明悦 Do you still want to claim "Just say you can't handle the truth. You clearly love to have stupid-ass opinions, but as soon as people disagree you want to act like you're being attacked. I don't like minors reading explicit content but I hoping that you're young so you have an excuse to be this dumb."
When I posted the truth? You have evidence in front of you. People like you can't handle the truth they created accounts to impersonate me.
They are threatened and disagree with the truth that they attack me and try to defame me. Levi is supporting them and blames me for them. But when she is impersonated for a few hours she goes ballistic.
if they have not changed it, I think there are two more impersonating me. It is them disagreeing with the facts they are attacking like idiots.
Everyone enterprets their message differently i guess, but that was how i see it. It's like saying one cant react like that because others have it worse. Also you should try reading potn and have your own judge... [黄] ₙ ₑ ₖ ₒ
I think we should go to DM...... Or make sure you respond to me. There are like 3 or 4 impersonating me. One for Tm and One Tig. You know who Tig is right? He is back. He did not want to return with his other new account. He made a new one.
Everyone enterprets their message differently i guess, but that was how i see it. It's like saying one cant react like that because others have it worse. Also you should try reading potn and have your own judge... [黄] ₙ ₑ ₖ ₒ
Hey they were right about what I was trying to convey with my comment. I didn’t mean for it to sound like I was defending him and I don’t agree with his behavior at all. Also I don’t really even like potn I just liked that panel and it’s just been my profile pic for like ever. I’ve been meaning to change it to something that I’m more interested in I just keep forgetting. I feel like if I change it now people are going to get mad at me and say something like “they changed it because we called them out” which isn’t it but I think I’m going to change it anyway because that’s want I want to do. Anyway sorry for rambling I just wanted to let you know. P.s. Just because I read part of potn doesn’t mean I agree with everything that happens in the story. Like I said I just liked that one panel.
Everyone enterprets their message differently i guess, but that was how i see it. It's like saying one cant react like that because others have it worse. Also you should try reading potn and have your own judge... [黄] ₙ ₑ ₖ ₒ
One more thing sorry. What I meant with my comment about how there is worse out there I just mean everyone is acting like he is the worst person ever and I am definitely not saying you can’t have a strong reaction to his actions or that his actions should be excused, I draw the line when people start saying he should kill himself or them just being plain violent. It just doesn’t sit right with me. I should have worded it better, I just wasn’t thinking about how some people would perceive it.
gonna have to disagree with you on your point about dan’s consent and jae not being a rapist. dan made an agreement because he didn’t have a choice and couldn’t afford to juggle taking care of himself and... levipleasecallmeback
When did I ever say that I approved of jaekyungs actions? I didnt. Not once. If something I said came across that way it wasn’t my intention. About the whole contract thing, Dan was never forced into it, he declined the first time and CHOSE to accept later on his OWN terms. He could have walked away, and he still can. When I say there is way worse out there, I mean people act like he is the devil. I draw the line when people say that he should kill himself or when they are just plain violent. That is inexcusable behavior and does not sit right with me. That is what I mean. Please don’t assume the meaning of what I say based on your interpretation. I appreciate other opinions I don’t appreciate people accusing me of being something I’m not or that because I am not extremely hateful towards jaekyung, you think I approve of SA and rape.
When did I ever say that I approved of jaekyungs actions? I didnt. Not once. If something I said came across that way it wasn’t my intention. About the whole contract thing, Dan was never forced into it, he... Ray
when did i say you approve of his actions or sa/rape? i said i disagree on your take that jae is not a rapist and that dan consents to their sex in most cases… you didn’t read my paragraph correctly. he doesn’t choose out of free will, he picked this option because if he didn’t- his grandma would die and he’d be drowning in debt still!!! i didn’t accuse you of anything, and only stated facts about their dynamic
i gave reasons why jae is one and how dan is forced into it. he can’t just walk away? that’s the whole point of why he doesn’t report jae’s actions to authorities or doesn’t leave, like i said earlier his whole life is dependent on him. and with the newest chapter, his future isn’t guaranteed with the other gym either which was obvious when they tried to set him up by taking photos of dan and the coach meeting. im not personally attacking you lmao?? and tbh all rapists should kill themselves i don’t think that’s a controversial take
Hell nah hot u tryna act like Jae hasn’t raped Dan n abused the shit out of him in more ways than one… Ur weird as hell Nex._ilx
It seems you are assuming what is said. Jaekyung has sexually abused him. He has sexual assaulted him. He has sexual coercion and when you get into definitions. He has not raped him. You can see it has rape but don't make others feel wrong for following the actual story with definitions. And don't make it like "saying no rape" dismissing all the other abuse. We views are similar but one thing. if we are weird as hell, you are too but you are forcing a position on us that we never said. You should had read instead of being triggered by your opinions on the story. I am concerned about the toxic behavior that ruins this page and site. It is important that this should be a fun and positive space for everyone to enjoy their interests but it is not due to many hateful people. They will misunderstand positive space, that does not always being positive, it has nothing to do with comments or opinions.
the real fandom don't have a positive or safe space to share their comments without some one attacking them. I have like 6 or more accounts impersonating me and my friends because we stand up their toxic behavior and they want to attack others instead of talking about the story.
They can think it is rape but stop forcing on people. Accept there are other POVs. And you just created a POV, seeing nothing. There are more than just one and you need to accept there are others or seek professional help because you can't go on in life not able to handle only your opinion.
These same people can share their hate and spew their hate without anyone commenting against them. And you don't have to be part of the fandom, you can hate this story but have a different opinion from the haters hive mind and be attacked. A person hated JK and the story and they forced her into a position of loving both so they could just attack her. You are forcing us into a position to attack us. This has been on since the comments came back. The trolls have camp out here just to attack people different from them and people from the fandom. All opinions should be welcome. Hateful comments attacking people are not opinions. And people who are overly criticizing and attacking the story or characters are not opinions. If you look up all those words and read the story carefully. Analyze it. You will see it is not rape. Saying it is rape = don't understand the story, the characters, or definitions. Jaekyung is a sexual abuser. I never revealed my opinion Jaekyung or Jinx. I have said a few times I am a straight man who doesn't like toxic stories with no age.
When did I ever say that I approved of jaekyungs actions? I didnt. Not once. If something I said came across that way it wasn’t my intention. About the whole contract thing, Dan was never forced into it, he... Ray
"it’s extremely disingenuous to say dan 100% consented for jae to sexually abuse him. first of all, a contract is not the end-all-be-all for consent and doesn’t excuse all sexual advances jae makes at dan. second of all, let’s not downplay the rape, dehumanizing, and rude behavior jae takes part in just because there’s worse stuff out there in yaoi . his actions ARE bad and holding him accountable/not liking him is because of his actions and a tragic past won’t erase that."
I can see how you get Levi was saying you approved of the actions. For one the comments don't correlate and she said a few things to incite you approved or dismissed his toxic behavior. You did not dismissed them. If your experience will the be same as ours. She will just blame you and then start targeting you as she calls you a loser on a question to get more people to gang up on you to stop your opinion. Then she will remember you a month later. And try to expose you for what happen here when she caused it and was not willing to communication. She will always blame you and make it you. When she dismisses her mistakes to where she has toxic behaviors. Those behaviors are inexcusable. She is not willing to accepted there are other POVs that she will trying to humiliate others who are different from her with gaslighting. What toxic and immature behavior when she could just talk and seek to understand other sides when she never did.
Make a new account or something Your opinions are still garbage and you’re probably getting harassed with someone who also agrees that your opinions are shit. Its not the end of the world. Its just Mangago
Make a new account or something Your opinions are still garbage and you’re probably getting harassed with someone who also agrees that your opinions are shit. Its not the end of the world. Its just Mangago 毛明悦
What opinions does he post? He posts the truth. He posts research. He posts facts. He rarely posts his opinions. You are desperately describing yourself there. I’m sorry they had a negative experience with facts being posted without what we think or believe. Our thoughts or opinions will not change what is in those articles from experts. We simply posted the truth and definitions.
Keep gaslighting the truth and attacking us for no reason besides that you can't handle the truth or understand objective reporting or neutral presentation of information. We simply presented the facts or research for others to consider without explicitly stating our beliefs, or support, or endorsement of what we posted. It allows others to draw their own conclusions based on the information provided. Not to gaslight us and impersonate us. If that is the reason for this harassment, they are saying they can't handle facts, definitions, laws, or research that goes against their opinions.
They are aiming at us but we are only the messengers of something they can't change and they have to learn to accept. This is them showing their denialism. This story is problematic and they are treating it like real life. With that, they need to stay off the internet. Fact and fiction are not the same.
We do not deserve their hate. They are the ones feeling threatened by opposing viewpoints or evidence to resort to such tactics to defend their beliefs and "opinions". It is not our fault for sharing information and research that goes against their beliefs. It is not our fault they going this hard and resorting to such tactics.
We will stay and we will continue to advocate for the truth. We will protect others from their attacks as they try to suppress others with different beliefs and make this a fascist place. The trolls are trying to suppress others' voices. Those voices, the trolls are trying to suppress, matter and their opinions are valid. Negative criticism is valid. Hate and these tactics are not valid. ( And no that hate is not " I hate Jinx or I hate Jaekyung." That is negative criticism.) In the future, we will be clear what we are posting is objective reporting without explicitly stating our beliefs, or support, or endorsement of what we posted.
Your suggestion is denied. Your false opinion on EG is invalid. It was just disgusting and I believe all of your comments have been disgusting and abusive. Stop being part of the problem.
Make a new account or something Your opinions are still garbage and you’re probably getting harassed with someone who also agrees that your opinions are shit. Its not the end of the world. Its just Mangago 毛明悦
For the record, what he posted and says about the story aligns better, with a story you have not read. You can’t have that opinion on him and what he says. He posted the truth, it is not the end of the world to accept the truth or accept there are different perspectives. Why are you triggered when you have not read the story that makes any thing you say invalid. Your response is funny in that matter. Thst means your comments and insults are rubbish.
For the record, what he posted and says about the story aligns better, with a story you have not read. You can’t have that opinion on him and what he says. He posted the truth, it is not the end of the world... Love wins~ TMSM~LovingWarriors
The only thing I don’t understand about the people hating on this yaoi is that abusive relationships like this exist in real life, especially in Korea, not everything is happy or nontoxic. And Dan made an agreement with jaekyung in the beginning giving him CONSENT, for all of you talking about rape. Honestly it’s not even as bad as you are saying it is like there is soooo much that could be worse. I do agree about how barely anything has happened but I do think that something is coming soon. Honestly the appeal of this story for me is that he isn’t happy right away and that he is experiencing and feeling all these things that so many people go through. I feel like what makes a lot of people dislike jaekyung in general is because we don’t know why he is the way he is. We get all this background for Dan making us relate or feel bad for him but when it comes to jaekyung we get nothing. I think that lack of information plays a big part on the story and was most likely done on purpose. It’s just that without seeing the human side of jaekyung it’s hard to see him as such. There is obviously some history that will be revealed at some point we just have to wait.
Exactly! There are no details or info about Jaekyung. Not even some background thoughts from him. The closest we had to was when he looked at Dan strangely probably when he found endearing or something. But that's just it. He's the male lead but he's just like there... with no input whatsoever except for being a hot head lol
I like your comment (●'◡'●)ﾉ
gonna have to disagree with you on your point about dan’s consent and jae not being a rapist. dan made an agreement because he didn’t have a choice and couldn’t afford to juggle taking care of himself and his grandmas hospital fees, so he signed the contract out of a last ditch effort not because he was fully in control of the decision making. dan and jae have an extreme power imbalance- jae controls his life by giving him a livable salary, covering all the medical bills, paying off his debt, and providing him with a credible job
it’s extremely disingenuous to say dan 100% consented for jae to sexually abuse him. first of all, a contract is not the end-all-be-all for consent and doesn’t excuse all sexual advances jae makes at dan. second of all, let’s not downplay the rape, dehumanizing, and rude behavior jae takes part in just because there’s worse stuff out there in yaoi . his actions ARE bad and holding him accountable/not liking him is because of his actions and a tragic past won’t erase that. it’ll only make us understand his thought process
Y’ all will do anything to justify toxicity at this point…obviously toxic relationships exist ALL around the world, but that doesn’t justify someone being toxic ??? And it’s one thing for dan to consent to the agreement, but it’s another thing for jaekyung to force him into having intercourse while he’s begging him to stop multiple times, also taking into consideration that he’s not doing this because he wants money but because he badly needs money for his grandma, so he’s also being taken advantage of
RIGHT THANK YOU??
I don't even read this manhwa. I just scrolled through the comments as I was doing a preview and saw your dumbass comment. You literally read Painter of the Night, but you think you have some authority to talk about what "consent" is when POTN is just rape-filled garbage. You are a nastyyyyyy bitch.
The brainrot from reading too much toxic shit is real here. M genuinely concerned about the pple who liked this. Don’t get me wrong there’s nothing bad about reading toxic bl, when I read them I personally don’t dig too much bc it’s fiction but what scares me is the readers reacting like this. Even if you didn’t mean to defend any toxicity, you just did right there, probably unconsciously. Dan agreed to the contract but not to the forced sex, like srsly what are u on pls??? And the story behind Jae acting like this couldn’t justify his actions bc the deeds have already been done for fuck’s sake. If the intention of the story is staying true to reality, then it should be tagged as psychology so pple cannot complain about the toxic part bc it would literally be the genre, here I don’t see it so pple can call the bullshit out anytime. I wrote this bc I was worried about y’all but if u want to take this as me being annoying then be it idc.
NAHH SAME THIS MF IS SO FUNNY After i saw their profile pic i immediately understood
FR THESE MF ARE CERTIFIED MEATRIDERS like do what you want but defending rapists ain’t it even if it’s fiction honestly it’s just plain sad
damn you didn’t have to eat em up !! emphasis on nothing wrong with consuming stories with controversial shit but tryna deny rape and obvious toxic/sexual abuse is what makes the jinx comment section get so heated. the most obvious example of rape and coercion happens and some smooth brain mf will say “the top has trauma, you guys hate him for no reason” AS IF DAWG IS NOT A WHOLE SERIAL RAPIST
imo since this is fiction i could care less about mfs liking the story, the part that makes me pause is them pretending he ain’t awful?? like ok.. you enjoy him but the blatant lying about his character and actions terrifies me. where is the media literacy!!!
Ray you had many good points to talk about.
These relationships do exist. Not everything is happy and nontoxic. In Korea, they still have arranged marriages.
Dan did agree but consent can be given and taken away. What is in Jinx is not rape if you pay attention to the story details line by line and get to know the characters. Jaekyung is not a rapist but he is a sexual abuser. Jaekyung has not raped Dan.
The people here, like Levi are haters and trolls who are over-critical and will lie about the story for their pov. It could have been so much worse. They act like he is the most toxic seme there is but he is from the shallow end.
There have been a few things that have happened and something is coming soon. Mingwa did her research on how Dan is experiencing and feeling all those things. Unfortunately, many readers don't understand this. And made it to be something else.
With Jaekyung, Mingwa's intention is for people to dislike him even though she gives hints about his real self. We have a few things about Jaekyung. I am not falling for her trick and I see who she has him meant to be. He has bad behaviors that need to be mended.
I really like your comment. It has lots to unpack but as you can tell your opinion is not allowed here. People are not accepting of other pov.
Levi comments Dan had a choice. When Dan said no the first time, Jaekyung was on the cell phone calling someone else. If you ever come to understand Dan he said yes for different reasons. But the point is the actual story is clear Dan could have walked away many times. The contact was the second deal as Levi is trying to make that the first time.
Dan changed the amount. He could have walked away and Jaekyung had no clue why he is saying yes to the deal. If you pay attention, Dan has more power than it seems. That power imbalance is used to often showing they don't understand the actual story and trying to make this rape. Levi gaslights you as she gaslights us. Where did you say Dan 100% consented for sexual abuse? You did not.
Levi is correct about the contract. But she is not right about the rape or downplaying rape just because she believes it is rape. The actual story it is not rape. She needs to accept it is SA, coercion, and abuse instead of forcing her opinion on others. She came to you to gaslight you and force her opinion on you.
It seems when you are neutral or positive with Jaekyung, you get one of the trolls saying don't forget his bad behavior. It is like it must be said each time. You must be as hateful and angry as them or there is something wrong with you. That is disingenuous. You did acknowledge it was toxic and his actions are. But you were too neutral for Levi. Then they act like understand his past will justify or erase his actions or something and they have to mention it does not each time.
Hello, My friends and I have been dealing with people like Levi since July. They can't handle opinions or perspectives than their own.
No one justifying anything. Why do you have to gaslight?
Jaekyung has coercion him but forced him into having sex. Dan was begging? I take into consideration you just wanted to attack and just use the actual story. You don't understand Dan or the story. I want to talk about Jinx, not your fanfiction. Please start engaging in civil conversations. Let's make this a safe place where all opinions are welcomed. Please read Jinx better.
You are the being abusive and toxic. You are talking about yourself.
I hope I can stop reading rage-filled garbage like your comment. Please start engaging in civil conversations. Let's make this a safe place where all opinions are welcomed.
When you judge others, you don't define them, you define yourself. (from my friend)
The brain rot from reading too many toxic user comments is real. I am genuinely concerned about how the brain rot has caused so many to go after Ray here. There is nothing wrong with reading toxic BL, there is nothing wrong with Ray's comment. He is acting normal. Where you are being abusive and toxic. Ray did not defend the toxicity. Try reading what is actually said and accept other perspectives than your own.
You need to go back to the story. Jaekyung used coercion but he never forced sex. He is rough. Rough sex is not forced sex. What are you on pls? Why are you on about Jaekyung and his backstory that would justify his actions? Get new material, please. Bad behavior is never justified.
Tagged or not, people would always complain. Ray is normal. Be worried about yourself and how triggered you were over a story to impose positions and degrade them.
I hope I can stop reading brain rot rage-filled garbage like your comment. Please start engaging in civil conversations. Let's make this a safe place where all opinions are welcomed.
Is that the uke from potn? I have not read potn. I don't think that is a good conclusion to draw that from a profile pic.
I should have read this too. What more abuse and toxicity? You are triggered by someone having a different opinion than yours. They are calm, neutral, and ask questions.
You are being toxic, insulting, raging, and forcing your opinions. You believe Jaekyung is a rapist. That is not the actual story, You are one of the meatriders who will not all another opinion than your own. Ray was not defending anything and he was not defending a rapist who is fake and fictional. What have you triggered so much? Why are you so toxic? Why does it have to be your opinion only? Why do you have to gaslight and attack others who are different from you?
Why are you falling for the rage-bait of the story to be as abusive as Jaekyung is to others?
You are attacking real people. Jaekyung and Dan are fake. You are more abusive than Jaekyung. Ray is real and you are imposing positions on him to attack him.
I hope I can stop reading rage-filled garbage like your comment. Please start engaging in civil conversations. Let's make this a safe place where all opinions are welcomed.
When you judge others, you don't define them, you define yourself.
Your bad behavior and the others one here attacking Ray is just plain sad because it is over an opinion on a fictional story.
They're clearly trying to excuse jaekyungs behavior
"relationships like this exist in real life, especially in Korea, not everything is happy or nontoxic" "Honestly it’s not even as bad as you are saying it is like there is soooo much that could be worse" just because there's much worse out there doesnt mean their actions are any better
And seeing that they like potn then that explains why. To sum it up, potn is quite literally rape, Stockholm syndrome kind of story.
So the picture pic is from potn. Thanks for indirectly answering me. lol
I will have to try it one day. TM tried a few chapters and dropped it. I still don't think that explains anything. but okay what ever floats your boat.
About the two quotes.... That is not excusing Jaekyung behavior. That is questioning the haters comments on here.
"The only thing I don’t understand about the people hating on this yaoi is that abusive relationships like this exist in real life, especially in Korea, not everything is happy or nontoxic."
- If I am wrong, Ray would have to explain this one but what I am getting these relationships do exist and you guys are only bothered by a fictional one. Ray is saying not everything is rainbow and sunshine in life. Everything is not happy or nontoxic and you guys are excepting Jinx to be loving and dovely instead of being toxic. Ray was being realistic and questioning the haters on this page who complain about the toxicity. We can read toxic BL but we need to understand it is toxic and not happy or nontoxic. Ray is saying Jaekyung is toxic here "not everything is happy or nontoxic = Jinx is not happy and toxic. There was no excusing of Jaekyung's behavior.
"Honestly it’s not even as bad as you are saying it is like there is soooo much that could be worse."
-This is saying he is toxic but not as bad as many have made him out to be. Did he kill Dan's family? Did he cut and bruise Dan? Did he confide him and tie him up to rape him. He is saying you guys are being over-critical of the story and his actions because Jaekyung could have done a lot worse than he did. It is not about justifying his actions. It is about taking the over-critical mess back to the actual story. There was no excusing of Jaekyung's behavior.
Everyone enterprets their message differently i guess, but that was how i see it. It's like saying one cant react like that because others have it worse.
Also you should try reading potn and have your own judgement with it, TM dropping it after a few chapters was so understandable, thats how bad it was. Im even shocked myself that i finished it.
"I have my account set to private due to my friends being harassed. There are rumors spread by others on here that is not true.
I have two accounts. This is my second one and I can't log in to my first one that was created in 2020.
I don't share my opinions often. I share facts, research, and the actual stories.
I deserve to be treated with respect, kindness, and good-faith engagement."
Just say you can't handle the truth. You clearly love to have stupid-ass opinions, but as soon as people disagree you want to act like you're being attacked. I don't like minors reading explicit content but I hoping that you're young so you have an excuse to be this dumb.
Rage baiting gaslighting.
I am not the facts I post. Facts are not opinions. Attacking someone is not a disagreement. “I hope that you’re young so you have an excuse to be this dumb”
That is an ad hominem. It means you have no argument and have to attack someone. You have lost. Thanks for sharing your lost with me. You are definitely talking about yourself and others like you.
My blunt honestly in my profile was gaslight for a person attack. People are being sickening here.
But reading a message to make it an attack is not a misinterpretation.
Yes you are right people do interpret messages, stories, and situations differently. We all have different experiences, backgrounds and perspectives. There can be thousands way to interpret something but what matters is what they intended. It is best to ask instead of attacking and assuming things.
I can understand why you think that but I don’t think that is what he meant.
He just doesn’t understand why Jaekyung is getting more hate than he deserves for what I get. He deserves hate. But people should be allowed to ask questions or be neutral without being attacked.
I willl try to read it soon. My hands are full with taking care of my dad. My dad is not doing well. He was diagnosed with stomach cancer last month. We went for a visit to the surgeon Wednesday for the surgery planned for 3 months. They admitted him that day. They wanted to do the surgery Monday but after some test they did the surgery Friday. Now he is losing blood and can’t keep his oxygen up. He is a hot mess. I don’t think I can stay focused on a story. -.-; I will let you know what I think when I read it.
oh my god what the fuck are you doing here empowered. in case yall don’t remember this person spams the jinx comment section with their one sided drama and constantly harass other users who say jae is a rapist. they too believe dan consents to everything and jae can do no wrong
not even worth engaging with that thing. his arguments don’t even make sense bro calls the rape that happens “rough sex” and dan WANTS it??? bro is the yap terrorist
they do this every time. when you reply to them logically or with evidence they say you’re attacking, cyberbullying, or trolling them. they have the dumbest takes about this story
don’t bother trying to reason with this smooth brain mf who refuses to define rape as rape. idk why they excuse jaes behavior so badly
Levi is gaslighting. I am not the trolls that are impersonating me and spamming the section. I comment like Levi does. If I spam. she spams. If i harass, she harass. Wait she harasses us, we don't harass her.
" they too believe dan consents to everything and jae can do no wrong"
FALSE!! What disgusting gaslighting. My "arguments" are the truth with facts and the actual story that crushes your hateful disgusting opinions. You are the one being dumb and have a dumb take on this story.
I define rape as rape. i define sexual assault as SA. I define Sexual coercion as Sexual coercion. I am educated to know the difference. I know the story. I will not define Sexual assault, Sexual assault, or coercion as rape when it is not. Hey Levi, did Jaekyung get raped in chapter 2. He as SAed.
I am here because someone expressed an opinion and haters attacked that person.
Levi I want it where everyone can express their opinions freely, You want a fascist place where you degrade, lie, and gaslight others. You are being disgusting and toxic. It is disgusting how fascist you can be and try to force your opinion on others.
No matter how many times you gaslight it will not make it true. I never defended Jaekyung. I never excused his behavior. I have always called it out. like I call out your bad behavior. You are the villain here. You only give opinions and never evidence or facts like we do. You have never had a logical conversation with us. You just rage-bait and troll. How you have been treating us is not acceptable and never justifiable. You are worse than Jaekyung because he is fake and we are real. You are trying us like shit, lying about us, gaslighting us because we have a different opinion than you. That opinion is a fact and better aligns with the story. Years later you will regret acting like this. You already know we are right. It is not hard to admit you were wrong but you keep digging that hole with more lies. Stop being toxic and gaslighting. Why do I bother to see the good in you? I know there is good and bad in everyone but is there any good with you or are you just going to keep being a fake person? Your gaslighting doesn't define me. It defines you. You are threatened by the truth I post.
I hope for the day you reply to us logically or with evidence as that would be a good conversation. You never tried. You want to be right and willfully ignorant.
However, it is us who replies with logic and evidence but we get immature gaslighting from the ones who can't admit they are wrong.
When people are attacking, cyberbullying and trolling we will say it is attacking, cyberbullying, and trolling.
That was childish.
I wished Levi would stop being a drama rage-bait queen and start having those logical conversations with evidence with us. I wished Levi was a good person. I know she can be better than this.
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/15421897/
I would like to point out that, Neko and I can talk.
I can talk to Mikaela who says this is rape and Jaekyung is a rapist.
One of the reasons I share this is not rape is to help enlighten others.
But the trolls and the like turns it into a pov vs pov.
It has never been a pov vs pov.
It is forcing and attacking others with a pov who thinks differently. Ray was ganged up here. When they claim it is rape, they are rarely ganged up on. They are threathen and show in their personal attacks on others. Levi did many personal attacks on my friends and I. It was gross.
Bottom line:
Mikaela can think it is rape. Ray can think it is sexual assault and blah. Tom can see nothing wrong as Levi and other trolls have claimed to the ones that see Sexual assault. Rape is sexual assault. My POV and Levi's POV are so similar. everything she said about me, she is saying about herself too.
Levi can think it is rape. But what is wrong is attacking other people and forcing that opinion on other people. IF you look Levi is trying to be right in her opinion she would gaslight, lie, degrade me, and try to make me wrong. It is not me. I posted facts and the actual story. Levi can't make that wrong. If that don't make sense to Levi, she needs not be on the internet.
But everything Levi has been doing and saying shows she knows she is wrong and don't want to admit it.
When I post to a new person to enlighten them. It is not about changing their opinions. I don't want Levi to change her opinions. I want her to stop attacking and making others wrong who have a different opinion. I am going to stand with the actual story and definitions. The definition of rape does not fit. Rape has no choice. Dan had choices and after he said no or stop he gave the green flag again. Read the story as it is and you will see it is not rape.
You can think it is rape. I am not saying and look uneducated or stupid as Levi would do. I know it is not rape by the truth.
My comments go against Levi's claims. Each time she does that it shows she was threatened by the truth. I claim it is sexual assault, sexual coercion, and abuse but Levi says that is seeing nothing wrong. That is nonsense. This is nonsense to claim I am justifying or excusing Jaekyung's behavior because that is far from my comments but It shows Levi knows she is wrong and does not want to admit it. I am not her punch bag or her doormat. I simply told the truth. She can get over it. What does she get from gaslighting? What does she get from lying? Nothing. She will never grow into the person she is meant to be if she keeps doing this immature Bullshit.
I forgot to take my schizophrenia meds pls forgive my earlier comments (all above one)
STOP!!! THAT IS THE TROLL!!! THAT IS NOT ME!!! I AM A RAPE APOLOGIST!!!
Warning above is troll. They have been harassing me and my friends for 6 months now. I am the real one. i think jaekyung will leave dan for me,, thats why i ride his imaginary dick
毛明悦
I post the truth and definitions. I don't post my opinions. Now you know why the trolls and people like you don't like my friends and me. We call out your bad behavior to have a good conversation with you. They don't like the truth and especially when it shows their opinions are wrong or their behavior is wrong. It has nothing about disagreeing with me as the person is disagreeing with the truth. If I correct you that Dan is 29 which is said twice, it is not my opinion but I can't stop you from attacking with ad hominems being wrong in what you claimed. If you think as hominems are disagreements that is stupid. I have been attacked, defamed, and more. That is from people like you disagreeing with the facts and actual story I post. If I don't post my opinions how do you know you are disagree with me? Or what my views are? Like you, I may not read this story. I don't think you have the right to an opinion here due to not reading the story.
Calling someone out isn't meant to harm someone–it's meant to point out where someone went wrong in hopes of them correcting themself and apologizing. Being called out isn't the same thing as being attacked. Being attacked is a malicious intent to hurt
Levi has never called us out, She has attacked with the malicious intent to hurt. You have attacked with the malicious intent to hurt. I have called you both out.
It is for you to stop the bad behaviors and have civil conversations on here.
I am concerned about the toxic behavior that ruins this page and site. It is important that this should be a fun and positive space for everyone to enjoy their interests but it is not due to many hateful people. They will misunderstand positive space, that does not always being positive, it has nothing to do with comments or opinions.
You as part of the fandom don't have a positive or safe space to share your comments without them attacking. They can share their hate and spew their hate without anyone commenting against them. And you don't have to be part of the fandom, you can hate this story but have a different opinion from the hive mind and be attacked. That person hated JK and the story and they forced her into a position of loving both so they could just attack her.
This has been on since the comments came back. They camp out here just to attack people different from them and people from the fandom. All opinions should be welcome. Hateful comments attacking people are not opinions. And people who are overly criticizing and attacking the story or characters are not opinions.
Empowered Guardian February 25, 2024 10:32 pm
I forgot to take my schizophrenia meds pls forgive my earlier comments (all above one) and two comments after.
That is a troll impersonating me and not me.. link to their account.
https://www.mangago.zone/home/people/3690382/home/
Link to my account
https://www.mangago.zone/home/people/3526299/home/
Warning! Above is troll. He liked typing long messages bc he thinks I care LMFAAOOOO.
毛明悦
Do you still want to claim "Just say you can't handle the truth. You clearly love to have stupid-ass opinions, but as soon as people disagree you want to act like you're being attacked. I don't like minors reading explicit content but I hoping that you're young so you have an excuse to be this dumb."
When I posted the truth? You have evidence in front of you. People like you can't handle the truth they created accounts to impersonate me.
This was my old user name and profile pic that a troll is impersonating https://www.mangago.zone/home/people/3686909/home/
This is a troll impersonating one of my friends because they can't handle the truth.
https://www.mangago.zone/home/people/3687008/home/
They are threatened and disagree with the truth that they attack me and try to defame me. Levi is supporting them and blames me for them. But when she is impersonated for a few hours she goes ballistic.
if they have not changed it, I think there are two more impersonating me.
It is them disagreeing with the facts they are attacking like idiots.
I think we should go to DM...... Or make sure you respond to me. There are like 3 or 4 impersonating me. One for Tm and One Tig. You know who Tig is right?
He is back. He did not want to return with his other new account. He made a new one.
I am 40 and have a husband. I like talking to little girls in DMs when I can't win them over in public.
Hey they were right about what I was trying to convey with my comment. I didn’t mean for it to sound like I was defending him and I don’t agree with his behavior at all. Also I don’t really even like potn I just liked that panel and it’s just been my profile pic for like ever. I’ve been meaning to change it to something that I’m more interested in I just keep forgetting. I feel like if I change it now people are going to get mad at me and say something like “they changed it because we called them out” which isn’t it but I think I’m going to change it anyway because that’s want I want to do. Anyway sorry for rambling I just wanted to let you know. P.s. Just because I read part of potn doesn’t mean I agree with everything that happens in the story. Like I said I just liked that one panel.
One more thing sorry. What I meant with my comment about how there is worse out there I just mean everyone is acting like he is the worst person ever and I am definitely not saying you can’t have a strong reaction to his actions or that his actions should be excused, I draw the line when people start saying he should kill himself or them just being plain violent. It just doesn’t sit right with me. I should have worded it better, I just wasn’t thinking about how some people would perceive it.
What in the actual hell is wrong with you.
When did I ever say that I approved of jaekyungs actions? I didnt. Not once. If something I said came across that way it wasn’t my intention. About the whole contract thing, Dan was never forced into it, he declined the first time and CHOSE to accept later on his OWN terms. He could have walked away, and he still can. When I say there is way worse out there, I mean people act like he is the devil. I draw the line when people say that he should kill himself or when they are just plain violent. That is inexcusable behavior and does not sit right with me. That is what I mean. Please don’t assume the meaning of what I say based on your interpretation. I appreciate other opinions I don’t appreciate people accusing me of being something I’m not or that because I am not extremely hateful towards jaekyung, you think I approve of SA and rape.
Hell nah hot u tryna act like Jae hasn’t raped Dan n abused the shit out of him in more ways than one… Ur weird as hell
when did i say you approve of his actions or sa/rape? i said i disagree on your take that jae is not a rapist and that dan consents to their sex in most cases… you didn’t read my paragraph correctly. he doesn’t choose out of free will, he picked this option because if he didn’t- his grandma would die and he’d be drowning in debt still!!! i didn’t accuse you of anything, and only stated facts about their dynamic
i gave reasons why jae is one and how dan is forced into it. he can’t just walk away? that’s the whole point of why he doesn’t report jae’s actions to authorities or doesn’t leave, like i said earlier his whole life is dependent on him. and with the newest chapter, his future isn’t guaranteed with the other gym either which was obvious when they tried to set him up by taking photos of dan and the coach meeting. im not personally attacking you lmao?? and tbh all rapists should kill themselves i don’t think that’s a controversial take
It seems you are assuming what is said. Jaekyung has sexually abused him. He has sexual assaulted him. He has sexual coercion and when you get into definitions. He has not raped him. You can see it has rape but don't make others feel wrong for following the actual story with definitions. And don't make it like "saying no rape" dismissing all the other abuse. We views are similar but one thing. if we are weird as hell, you are too but you are forcing a position on us that we never said.
You should had read instead of being triggered by your opinions on the story.
I am concerned about the toxic behavior that ruins this page and site. It is important that this should be a fun and positive space for everyone to enjoy their interests but it is not due to many hateful people. They will misunderstand positive space, that does not always being positive, it has nothing to do with comments or opinions.
the real fandom don't have a positive or safe space to share their comments without some one attacking them. I have like 6 or more accounts impersonating me and my friends because we stand up their toxic behavior and they want to attack others instead of talking about the story.
They can think it is rape but stop forcing on people. Accept there are other POVs. And you just created a POV, seeing nothing. There are more than just one and you need to accept there are others or seek professional help because you can't go on in life not able to handle only your opinion.
These same people can share their hate and spew their hate without anyone commenting against them. And you don't have to be part of the fandom, you can hate this story but have a different opinion from the haters hive mind and be attacked. A person hated JK and the story and they forced her into a position of loving both so they could just attack her. You are forcing us into a position to attack us.
This has been on since the comments came back. The trolls have camp out here just to attack people different from them and people from the fandom. All opinions should be welcome. Hateful comments attacking people are not opinions. And people who are overly criticizing and attacking the story or characters are not opinions.
If you look up all those words and read the story carefully. Analyze it. You will see it is not rape. Saying it is rape = don't understand the story, the characters, or definitions.
Jaekyung is a sexual abuser. I never revealed my opinion Jaekyung or Jinx. I have said a few times I am a straight man who doesn't like toxic stories with no age.
"it’s extremely disingenuous to say dan 100% consented for jae to sexually abuse him. first of all, a contract is not the end-all-be-all for consent and doesn’t excuse all sexual advances jae makes at dan. second of all, let’s not downplay the rape, dehumanizing, and rude behavior jae takes part in just because there’s worse stuff out there in yaoi . his actions ARE bad and holding him accountable/not liking him is because of his actions and a tragic past won’t erase that."
I can see how you get Levi was saying you approved of the actions. For one the comments don't correlate and she said a few things to incite you approved or dismissed his toxic behavior. You did not dismissed them. If your experience will the be same as ours. She will just blame you and then start targeting you as she calls you a loser on a question to get more people to gang up on you to stop your opinion. Then she will remember you a month later. And try to expose you for what happen here when she caused it and was not willing to communication. She will always blame you and make it you. When she dismisses her mistakes to where she has toxic behaviors. Those behaviors are inexcusable.
She is not willing to accepted there are other POVs that she will trying to humiliate others who are different from her with gaslighting. What toxic and immature behavior when she could just talk and seek to understand other sides when she never did.
Sorry again i forgot my meds. Please ignore above two comments
Ray I could suggest you to blocked the immature trolls that is spewing nonsense and spamming everywhere. Please ignore the lame troll trolling.
Make a new account or something Your opinions are still garbage and you’re probably getting harassed with someone who also agrees that your opinions are shit. Its not the end of the world. Its just Mangago
What opinions does he post? He posts the truth. He posts research. He posts facts. He rarely posts his opinions.
You are desperately describing yourself there.
I’m sorry they had a negative experience with facts being posted without what we think or believe. Our thoughts or opinions will not change what is in those articles from experts. We simply posted the truth and definitions.
Keep gaslighting the truth and attacking us for no reason besides that you can't handle the truth or understand objective reporting or neutral presentation of information. We simply presented the facts or research for others to consider without explicitly stating our beliefs, or support, or endorsement of what we posted. It allows others to draw their own conclusions based on the information provided. Not to gaslight us and impersonate us. If that is the reason for this harassment, they are saying they can't handle facts, definitions, laws, or research that goes against their opinions.
They are aiming at us but we are only the messengers of something they can't change and they have to learn to accept. This is them showing their denialism. This story is problematic and they are treating it like real life. With that, they need to stay off the internet. Fact and fiction are not the same.
We do not deserve their hate. They are the ones feeling threatened by opposing viewpoints or evidence to resort to such tactics to defend their beliefs and "opinions". It is not our fault for sharing information and research that goes against their beliefs. It is not our fault they going this hard and resorting to such tactics.
We will stay and we will continue to advocate for the truth. We will protect others from their attacks as they try to suppress others with different beliefs and make this a fascist place.
The trolls are trying to suppress others' voices. Those voices, the trolls are trying to suppress, matter and their opinions are valid. Negative criticism is valid. Hate and these tactics are not valid. ( And no that hate is not " I hate Jinx or I hate Jaekyung." That is negative criticism.)
In the future, we will be clear what we are posting is objective reporting without explicitly stating our beliefs, or support, or endorsement of what we posted.
Your suggestion is denied. Your false opinion on EG is invalid. It was just disgusting and I believe all of your comments have been disgusting and abusive. Stop being part of the problem.
For the record, what he posted and says about the story aligns better, with a story you have not read. You can’t have that opinion on him and what he says.
He posted the truth, it is not the end of the world to accept the truth or accept there are different perspectives.
Why are you triggered when you have not read the story that makes any thing you say invalid. Your response is funny in that matter. Thst means your comments and insults are rubbish.
Yeah make a new account
Agreed (with both of your comments.)
Another delusional person that believes they are getting stalked by people online. Fujos are insane Read some GL at least once…