This Dochan is too sweet , he doesn’t deserve to be part of this triangle and complicated love
It so disgusting to read comments with people who claim to have read a piece of trash but could manage to read till the end . So hypocritical that I can’t relate.
Ps: I really love Jaehyung’s personality
WTF is this plot twist ? How come she started loving this duchess so easily ? But ig it’s a matter of inexperience and Love is a topic she doesn’t master well , so she can get manipulated so easily
But Ig the duchess too isn’t bad , I think she really needs someone who can love her and she is truly searching for love , bcz she expresses the feeling of scare of been abandoned, due to her childhood may be.
The problem here is Anna , who is prolly having trauma about her childhood as well , she find sex disgusting and doesn’t wanna make her love towards Lily impure but she doesn’t even express it the feelings she has for Lily , the miscommunication will make it hard for both of them to be together.
OMG THEY ARE TOOO CUTE MY HEART WANTS TO EXPLODE LIKE CIRRUS’s OWN (wadahel who noticed how gentle and humble cirrus has become ? He cares about the fact he didnt wake up Skylar to get back home etc these boys’s Mood swings are worst than mine )
The art looks so much like Bad Thinking Diary and the characters themselves look like the mcs of BTD. Whatever I’m in love with this and waiting for more
its the same artist!
Oh I checked it and on BTD it says the author is Park something and here it’s Ranguiri but yea she or he is the author of the side story of BTD ,so she has two artist name ?!
Rangrari*
nooo! the authors of BTD and this aren't the same! its just that its the same artist!!
Ah ok , ty for clarifications
Y’all are crazy Ngl . Y’all talking of raping like are we all reading the same comic ? Did you guys see Eun screaming for help like he is been raped ? Baek forces the sex bcz it’s very sure that he likes Eun and Eun himself has always been submissive towards baek bcz he must like him too . There is no rape here , y’all get real and stop acting like Mary saints on gay comic.
girl… i think you’re delusional. eun never consented sex with baek. so he technically raped him. idk where you came up with those thoughts but you clearly need to know that there needs to consent for it to be not rape.
even if someone isn’t screaming for help, that doesn’t mean they’ve consented to sex.
And within the context of this manhwa, eunoh did initially push Joohyuk away, and he also asked him to stop.
It is still rape, even though mc like him it doesn't erase the fact that he force his self to him. So your implying that if someone like you, you are going to pounce him/her cuz you know that she/he likes you??? Lol
Yes rape and bro Eun literally got hard and cum and allowed the same rapist in his home and on his bed , to get a shower n walk naked in his home n cuddle him . Yeah that was all without consentement !
Yes rape and bro Eun literally got hard and cum and allowed the same rapist in his home and on his bed , to get a shower n walk naked in his home n cuddle him . Yeah that was all without consentement !
Yes rape and bro Eun literally got hard and cum and allowed the same rapist in his home and on his bed , to get a shower n walk naked in his home n cuddle him . Yeah that was all without consentement !
I forgot I was in a site where many ppl don’t fit with life realities .
it’s bc it fucking fiction?! ofc the artist/author is gonna make them hard and cum?! but the whole premise of it is that it’s still rape regardless.
and about the inviting in and cuddling that’s bc he didn’t feel that was rape unfortunately bc the artist/author didn’t see it as rape.
Lol it is a normal reaction of the body . You should study first before you comment shit. Rape is still a rape, even in married couple there's a thing called marital rape. Marital rape or spousal rape is the act of sexual intercourse with one's spouse without the spouse's consent.
And it’s bcz it’s fucking fiction that, that wasn’t a rape at all. Now get a brain to think answer analyze well bcz I’m so done with your reasoning.
And you argue well before arguing with shits . So it’s normal reaction of the body , it’s also normal to bring our so called « rapist» in our apartment and let them shower in our bathroom right ? Say it too dumbass
Doing that doesn’t mean it wasn’t rape?
For example think of how the other person mentioned martial rape. people may still live with their spouses, sleep next to them, etc. and that doesn’t mean it wasn’t rape. If it wasn’t consensual, it wasn’t consensual. Not all victims react the same way.
And yes it’s fiction, so the real explanation behind all the characters actions is because that’s what the author wanted them to do.
She/he ignores that part . Maybe that kind of thinking is ok for him/her lol.
You just said he forces the sex…. FORCES. Key word here.
He didn't ask for it nor was it consensual
Like u said said HE FORCED it
Thats sa/ ape dearie
ITS THE WHOLE PREMISE. the top literally raped the bottom. you should get a brain and learn what consent is bc you clearly have no idea what it is, nimwit. i hope you don’t rape someone and think bc they reacted to it makes it seem it’s all okay bc they orgasmed. get help
Maybe he/she think its ok to grape someone cuz he/she likes her/him
they don’t understand the basics of consent. and sometimes i worry about society…
I literally gave her/him an example "marital rape" between married couple but she/he didn't give a damn
This might be the WORST opinion I've ever seen on this website,first of all there's a clear power imbalance in their relationship he was raised by redheads mom and he's scared their family is gonna torn apart if their relationship turns into a romantic one THIS fact already indicates he cares about their family more than the sex then he asked him to stop and pushed him away? Does it magically becomes consensual just because he came? İf you visit sa victims forums there's a lot of discussion about how the victims feel guilty that they felt pleasure or cum from their rape does that make these victims not sa victims magically?
Our bodies have many instincts and many of our bodily fluids are out of our control,just because his body reacted that doesn't make it okay to rape him i can go on and on but it's obvious you don't have any argument other than "it's fiction" not very surprised
beautifully said
And yours definitely is the worst back comment I ever read bcz you wanna follow the crowd and get attention but whatever I don’t give a shit of what you said and I don’t even need to read the rest of a whole shitty paragraph
But I feel you , the reality is very hard to accept
bring against romanticization of rape and wanting fictional characters to make healthy and realistic choices isn't FOLLOWING THE CROWD,you should seriously consider getting help and get off this website
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I love this Baek Joohyuk a way too much Man is so sexy when been naughty , silly and acting sinisterly
Yes ma'am. All round multi-dimensional character. That makes him fun and entertaining.
Real.
Sorry but now i hate Skylar. I always had this feeling that he had been using Cirrus bcz he couldn’t make it with Chan or dated him out of pity since he was left out alone , but I also told myself that may be I’m wrong and now it’s confirm. Cirrus needs someone better who truly loves him and can take care of him , Skylar is just acting like an indecisive woman who can’t choose between two men , or dates one bcz she got dump by the first Crush. Cirrus doesn’t deserve that . But ig the comic is main for them to be together at the end , and I just want Cirrus to be happy.
idk I think skylar was saying things he knew would hurt cirrus to get back at him, like breaking up and not liking cirrus. Skylar still values his relationship with chan who is important to him because of how much he helped skylar when he wasn’t doing well mentally. plus I think the whole point of that scene with skylar and chan was to show skylar still cares abt chan, but he has someone else he prioritizes so he's not going to continue acting the way he used to with chan. Cirrus walking in and throwing the drink at skylar right when he was refusing to hangout with chan shows he not talking things out and immediately lashing out at skylar because he feels insecure. not saying that intentionally hurting your partner with their weaknesses is any better to get back at him, but cirrus is manipulative sometimes, blocking chan's # when skylar has paranoia abt whether people find him annoying man I get how he was mad. I think it comes down to which character you relate towards more cuz I see things more through skylar's perspective which is why I get upset when cirrus makes skylar’s anxiety worse abt his friends leaving him. cirrus’s anxiety of skylar leaving is is valid too, but they have to talk about ways cirrus can let skylar know he feels anxious that doesn’t result in an attack on skylar, and skylar has to know that when cirrus is lashing out, don’t at fire to the flames and get back at him because you feel hurt, they high schoolers in their first relationship so hopefully they can work through this kinda stuff moving on
There's Cirrus hurling stuff at Skylar and deleting Chan-il's number from his phone without consulting him, and you hate Skylar?
Skylar may be far from perfect with his insecurities and stuff but the toxic one right now is Cirrus. Skylar is literally traumatised from what happened back in middle school, and Cirrus is bringing one stuff up after the other. Skylar might still have some lingering feelings for Chan-il because they don't just evaporate overnight when you have culminated them for so long, but there's no way Skylar means what he said. He has been portrayed as short tempered from the very start. So its just the anger speaking I think.
Also it's a relation between a traumatised and a neglected human being. It's going just how it is supposed to. Just because Skylar knows what happened with Cirrus doesn't mean he can throw away his own personality to cater to Cirrus.They are both fighting their own ghosts... so hopefully things turn out good in the end.
U do know how their rs developed n skylar does gen love cirrus, cirrus was js his second choice and made it as he settled w him. I feel like the way he said that was wrong yes, but looking into it in 3rd perspective, skylar also says cirrus makes him anxious, also can we bring up how cirrus lit brought up skylars past? They were BOTH in the wrong, no defending those two.
Both actually fucked up , both have their wrongs and rights , but in this situation my feelings goes for Cirrus . Cirrus acted on his emotions bcz he caught Skylar and Chan talking without having any clue and you made mention of his insecurities, his insecurities are towards his relationship, and if you are insecure in your relationship, it’s bcz of your partner who doesn’t give you tte priority or demonstrates more love , care and attention and we can both agree on this that Skylar has fail to do so since they’ve started dating , that’s why Cirrus is insecure and let husband emotions take over his thinking. If Skylar was acting as a lover to Cirrus , Cirrus will be in trust , even when he sees him with Chan , bcz it’s not the first time Cirrus sees Chan and Skylar chatting together but this time for Cirrus it was too much for him to handle , Patience has a limit , don’t forget this. Talking of his manipulative side , it’s bcz Cirrus secures his relationship and he is aware deeper in him the feelings of Skylar towards Chan , bro is not dumb lol ! He knows even if Skylar tells him « I love you Cirrus » , Skylar didn’t forget Chan already, and that was confirm on this chapter, so I’m sorry but my boy Cirrus did delete and block Chan bcz he only wanted to put Chan away from Skylar so that feeling of Skylar for Chan should go , and any of in relationship will have acted in a similar way; not delete in secret may be but tell our lover to avoid sneaking around their ex lover, flirt or crush to avoid a triangle love. Cirrus is just in love with skylar , that’s the explanation of all his actions and Skylar fails to give that love to Cirrus , which gives birth to an insecure Cirrus.
insecurities in relationships don’t happen because your partner doesn’t “try hard enough” or love you enough. skylar doesn’t HAVE TO be as obsessed with cirrus to the point of toxicity. esp in a 3 week relationship. if ur extremely insecure to the point of manipulating, isolating and physically hurting ur partner then you shouldn’t be in a relationship in the first place.
To be fair, if he still has lingering feelings, it definitely seems like to Cirrus that he’s being used as a second choice. And why confess to Cirrus if he still has lingering feelings?
But I don’t think Skylar likes Chan-il anymore, it was more of an infatuation or something because he looked like Minwoo, the dude he loved before.
And that’s why I hope to see Skylar opening up more and communicating instead of being distant in a way. But everyone takes time to heal differently so I wouldn’t force Skylar, it’s up to him. I just hope he will say it to Cirrus one day so Cirrus doesn’t think he’s hiding the relationship because it’s not worth it.
Cirrus doesn’t know about his trauma and Skylar isn’t ready to say. That’s one problem. I think hating Skylar is too far because his reaction is valid; but I do HATE that he resorted to violence. Yes Cirrus did throw a van at him, but readers forget that Skylar has a habit of hitting Cirrus and it’s brushed off for comedic purposes even before this.
Both are wrong. Both apologized in future chapters. I hope things go well for them. Skylar doesn’t deserve to be suffocated by a possessive love, and Cirrus deserves to receive the affection he never got.
Cirrus was never his second choice. He probably didn’t even love Chan-il, he was sort of obsessed with him in a way because Chan-il looked like his past crush and it’s related to his trauma.
And I doubt Cirrus knew how harmful it was to bring up Skylar’s past because he never heard about his trauma since Skylar shuts off.
Cirrus threw one can at him and readers go batshit crazy but we forget that Skylar has a habit of physically hitting Cirrus even before this, but it’s brushed off as comedic purposes.
Skylar doesn’t have to be obsessed and I agree with you! But I hope one day he opens up just like Cirrus opened up to him and shared his past and let his emotions out, I want Skylar to rely on Cirrus for emotional support, I want Skylar to have at least one person for that.
Both aren’t ready to be in a relationship. Readers forget they are just teens with mental health issues. Both are redeemable.
Also I’m not justifying that Corrus threw a can, that was not right and actually disgusting to do out of insecurity. I do hope Skylar reassures him more instead of escalating the situation by calling him a second choice.
i mean the topic contains physical so ofc i’m gonna point that out? what u said is also a problem but cirrus still did hit him tho.
cirrus blackmails and tries to manipulate skylar for an entire season and a half and nobody bats an eye but the moment skylar very rightfully doesn’t share a piece of extremely triggering information about his past and readers go batshit crazy.
i also hope he opens up but he’s by no means in the wrong for not opening up until he feels ready. i hope he opens up and gets the emotional support from cirrus that i know he can give to skylar.
Exactly. The topic contains physical but you only talked about Cirrus throwing one can at him. Why not talk about Skylar’s habit of physically hitting his partner even before all of this?
Ain’t no way you just said nobody bats an eye at Cirrus blackmailing and manipulating, cause majority of fans are literally calling that out. Look in the comment sections and other websites. Nobody is blind.
And nobody is mad that Skylar didn’t share his past, they’re just waiting for him to one day so his partner will know the truth and won’t feel like it’s because Skylar dislikes him and wants to hide their relationship. But it’s because of the trauma he wants to hide their relationship.
Ig you’ve never been in a relationship to say this . Not showing love, care , reassurance Andy care creates insecurities for your partner in y’all both relationship. If you do not love your partner in a way he or she wants , what do you expect from him or her return ? Adores you like a god even if you treat them like shit ? Sorry but no. And you saying cirrus is toxic shows how you don’t observe the story on the two sides , bcz Skylar has become one of the reasons of Cirrus’s toxicity. Cirrus has Skylar as the only person he loves and expect love from , at least Skylar can count on his family. Cirrus is left alone and except much Skylar . If you can say cirrus shouldn’t be in a relationship bcz of the way he is , then Skylar too shouldn’t date a person he can’t emotionally satisfy or shouldn’t be in a relationship when he isn’t ready to be proud of it bcz bro is mentally ill and scare of what happened to him in the past to happen again .
because it has been said. do i need to parrot every single other talking point?
be for real omg the majority of the comments while earlier chapters were being released (where he was blackmailing skylar) was abt how hot cirrus was or shit like “ik he’s toxic but idc ” not many people seriously called it out or wrote think pieces like we are doing right now.
again… be for real. people are blaming skylar for not putting effort or not being open and honest with cirrus. not to mention that insinuating that skylar not sharing his past is what’s making cirrus act obsessive.
Hell yes!! Physical topic? Involve everyone that was physical. Also I wasn’t directing this to you but to everyone who’s been ignoring how he hits Cirrus physically. If I sounded harsh I apologize, not trying to argue with anyone lolol.
Girl those “ik he’s toxic but idc” happen in every damn BL story at least once or more. Like the comments “he’s a red flag but I’m colorblind”.
I am for real. Rather than effort, I think they meant that Skylar being distant is also hurting Cirrus in the process. Hiding relationships isn’t really nice, how long you gonna hide a relationship for? And Cirrus thinks he will leave one day so there’s no point in revealing their relationship.
If he knew about Skylar’s trauma, I think Cirrus would feel extremely sorry. It’s more of that Skylar not opening up to him is making him feel like he’s not worth relying on or something, but in Cirrus’s POV he does feel that hiding their relationship makes him think Skylar doesn’t love him enough.
And I think Skylar has been pretty honest with Cirrus aside from the past which it’s up to him to open up when HES READY. I don’t like the readers that act as if he has to, no, only when he’s ready.
And cirrus probably thinks*
i mean yeah the “he’s a red flag but i’m colorblind” jokes happen in every BL but my point is that very few people were actually talking abt him blackmailing.
Except that it’s not very few people. There’s many on bato that see him blackmailing per chapter and speak about that as well as here. New comments hide the older ones so yeah but as a reader since this came out, I can say for sure I’ve seen way too many people shitting on Cirrus for that (as he deserves)
I dunno.... Skylar has no intention of dating Chan-il , that's for sure. How do I say it? Feelings, affection... they don't just evaporate into thin air. Skylar's feelings... or "infatuation" as you called it, culminated over a long period of time. But it's not strong enough to call it love... and it's the same for Cirrus. Neither of them have reached the point of "love". They are still primarily thinking about themselves rather than about their partners.
Btw.... about the confession thing. I feel like its more because Skylar has come to care for Cirrus. Then again, it's a story. It changes depending on how you interpret it.
But it doesn’t matter if Skylar came to care for Cirrus if the reason he confessed wasn’t out of love/or that he really likes him. But I do think Skylar likes him.
Ur prob right abt the way he never rlly gen liked chan il, but i was saying that skylar liked cirrus after chan il if u get what I mean, plus even if skylar shuts himself off and cirrus doesn't know abt his past trauma, it's still super insensitive to bring that up js cuz of his attachment issues to skylar
I mean I agree but I don’t think cirrus would’ve said that on purpose if he had known is my point
Reading comments and realizing how, many of you read this comic without understanding anything about the plot. Throwing shades on Lily without any logic is just stupid from some of you .
Y’all should firstly understand that those 3 women are mentally unstable due to their past experiences in childhood , they all grew alone without knowing what’s love and each of them faced difference circumstances that made them feel lonely and created some kind of phobia.
Lily has totally done nothing wrong here for now , she never said she hates Anna nor cheated on her because Anna has been rejecting her advances since they are young . We saw in flashbacks that Lily confessed her love to Anna , so this girl knows perfectly that Lily loves her , but she is the only one hesitant to respond to her love, due to her trauma which I perfectly understand as well.
I can understand the decision of Lily now to stay with the duchess, no one has to blame her. She is looking for someone who can love and wants her , there is no crime in that , she kinda asked out Anna but Anna pushed her away but the Duchesse is responding to her expectations, so despite the feelings she has for Anna, it’s pretty normal she decides to choose the Duchess now. We should all agree that the Duchess played smart to get Lily , even if she was manipulative. So, at end we shouldn’t be surprise about Lily’s choice . All I can say is, Anna was sleeping and it’s waking up a lil too late .
Yes! I tried to make this exact point before but people just kept saying that this is just a dumb hentai and it’s not that deep. There are layers to this situation, you guys are just choosing to read it at face value
I get the sentiment of not wanting to be alone and some may attribute/confuse lust & love (esp when you're clearly isolated/never experienced them before) but the WAY she assumed that her maid left her without trynna find her and ask yk?
Like I get that in the moment you are scared but jumping into the sheets imo is CRAZY - like miss girl didn't even give it 24hrs (I get some people use sex as a forget my pain but she was CHASING Anna so to drop her like that is justified but understandable why people like wtf). When Anna did come back she was like "oh oopsies I guess this is a thing now" & didn't even say "oh why did you come back the Duchess said you leaving me forever" like girlie what.
Naivety is certainly real but this some next level bs. I agree that since Anna rejected her advances no one should be like "what a cheat" but I truly believe that the way she approached the matter was like???
Ofc the duchess was manipulating her - if you can't see that then maybe you should be scanning your own relationships - so it is understandable that she would possibly choose her but ONCE AGAIN - this woman has been hiding letters addressed to you are you not one bit concerned about that (ik denial is a river in Egypt but girl you barely know her & technically are collateral??)?
And it WASN'T like Anna genuinely doesn't care about her (bc once again about the lying that she left for good - she still returned) and despite her advances it's not like she didn't display dislike towards her bc she continued to take care of her so its like ??? again.
On point !
You say she didn’t give 24hrs ? Do you know when she had already confess her love to Anna ? I mean , do you know since she has been waiting for Anna to respond to her love ? What we are reading is not only base on their present, we already got chapters with some of their past , and we saw were Lily confessed to Anna long ago . So my dear , this isn’t about « 24 hrs » as you say. From what the Duchess did by hiding the letters for Lily not to see , and tho that truth came out , it might be logic for you that Lily should hate the duchess and insane that she actually doesn’t ; but what you should know is , even for the sake of Love , there are some crimes we are ready to commit to keep our lovers by our side and that’s what the Duchess did and Lily perfectly understood that . This is simply why Lily can’t hate the Duchess after this , bcz behind those manipulative actions , there was the struggle of wanting Lily to stay with her and that’s what Lily needs , someone who can take moves and actions, it might not be proper but don’t forget those women are mentally ill and feel empty.
We don’t deny that Anna loves her but Anna is not optimize like Duchess and that’s where , she loses. It’s just a simple fact , a relationship is not only about Love but also what you can do for that love . You can’t just sit on your ass and pretend you love someone but you give a call to tell that person you love her , how do you expect them to focus on you and push away other admirers ?
You can’t give *
The 24 hour mark was in reference to after the Duchess told her Anna left "for good" and she didn't even consider looking for her/thinking about why before jumping into the sheets not waiting for her love - that is another issue.
Once again - read my comment in brackets I put that denial is a river in Egypt referencing the fact that people will deny truths because they make excuses for the personin order to cling onto them. However, if one it to beleive the Duchess actually loves lily would be lowkey like - on what grounds??? Nothing other than lust and crime has been displayed and as an intro to the Duchess it is learned that she fools around with many women so until actual care is displayed & not just possessiveness it is bold to assume on either end.
The Duchess is not optimizing on "love" but rather vulnerability. That's where MC loses. While I agree love it a two way street, to cut someone off EVEN if they don't love you romantically, but as a friend (which in this case is NOT true - but was DISPLAYED that Anna AT LEAST cares about Lily even AFTER seeing her with the Duchess) then that's fucked up. You gotta understand what I'm saying because atp it feels like you aren't so here's a breakdown:
- Anna "left" to deliver a letter
- Duchess told Lily that Anna is gone forever
- Lily cries & then they (lily + duchess) go thwoping in the sheets
- Anna returns & sees this but CONTINUES to provide care for lily with obvious signs of withdrawl from her
- Lily doesn't even really address the fact that the Duchess told her that Anna was going to leave her forever to EITHER Anna OR the Duchess (likegirl what)
- Anna still provides care + is protective (in Lily's pov this could be seen as a friend way)
- Lily tells her to leave for home by herself (once again disregarding the connection they DO have even if it ISN'T romance)
- It is understandable to not want to be around someone who has rejected your advances but even THAT possibility is slim BECAUSE of the devastation and the fact that Lily DOES show that she wants to be around Anna AS WELL (as the Duchess)
Drilling the points in - I don't believe that what Lily did (having sex) was WRONG but the way it happened raises questions & questionable behaviour (ie. did she actually like Anna in the first place)
Honey that girl has a point, but pointless nga lang