I don't get some of you guys. Do'nt you realize these are nothing but drawings on paper? Who cares if the boy's "too young"? There IS no boy, just some paper! People who read these stories, and do nothing else but liking it, how is that wrong? Who have they harmed? A drawn character? So what? Moralists shouldn't lose their sense of reality, I think.
I agree
Thanks. This crying of 'rape' and 'pedo' in the comments on shotacon manga is so overreacted. When manga characters are hurt or killed in any other way, often millions of times worse, nobody protests! Where's the logic in that?
Morality doesn't disappear only because the setting is fictional. Shotacon & Lolicon is disgusting. I really don't see how people can like or get off on seeing children getting topped by adults? There actually have been movements in Japan to ban shotacon & lolicon since it's seen as too close to child porn. That's saying something. Even if the characters aren't real, it's still disgusting. The story being fictional is not an excuse for fucked up shit like this. Why are you trying to defend this? Why are you bashing people for speaking out against messed up stuff like this? The fact that people actually try to defend this is creppy as fuck. People who enjoy this are sick. Period.
This is what I called "overreacting". If you consider morality to be a norm to judge which art should be allowed and which shouldn't, why don't you begin at "Pulp Fiction" and other Tarantino movies, since in his films dozens of people get killed every second, but in a funny way? Those are characters on film, they don't exist, therefor aren't really killed. But hey, morality etcetera! Throw Tarantino in jail! Isn't mass murder just as disgusting as child- or any other porn? Be consistent...
(Yes, it's me. The previous user-"No Name")
You cannot compare murder to child porn or say that they are equally disgusting. Those are 2 different things. Stop trying to use the "Oh, it's fictional so it's alright" excuse to justify this. I understand that this isn't real, but that doesn't mean people can't speak out againt it. It's an adult who's having sex with a child. Not mentioning the fact that it's his uncle. His father's brother. If you don't see anything wrong with this, then you're sick. This should not be allowed, honestly. This is just drawn child porn. I really don't see how people think children getting fucked should be allowed. Like I said before, there's a reason those movements have been happening in Japan. It's saying something. I'm ending this conversation here. I cannot even bring myself to even comment about this anymore. You are free to continue thinking that way if you want. Have a nice day.
I do can compare one crime to an other, can't I? And if you consider the making of a story about one crime disgusting, but an other, telling of an other crime "an entirely different thing" in other words "not so bad", just because with killing there's no sex involved, my conclusion is your problem is mainly with the sex, not with morality in general... If it wasn't the case, you would consider all crimes equally disgusting. And all stories about crimes equally bad or not so bad.
Having real sex with a real kid is wrong. I get that. Killing a person is wrong too! So how is drawing the first thing worse than the second?
I still think you're overreacting towards drawn people being done things to that aren't real, because they simply don't exist. And I resent your overrighteous attitude...
Quick question though, should we ban movies with rape in them? I mean, murder may not be even close to shotacon/lolicon, but rape kinda is. Except in shotacon, at least the ones I've read, it's always consensual. I mean, if we're going to ban some pieces of FRICKING PAPER in Japan, we might as well ban PEOPLE GETTING BUTT FRICKED NON-CONSENSUAL. Lol but w/e it's not the same right> Lemme just sip my tea.
Movies with rape (The ones I've seen at least) tend to not try to romanticize it like yaoi generally does. Even if shotacon characters give consent, it doesn't change the fact that it's a young child having sex with an adult. I don't blame Japanese people wanting to ban shotacon/lolicon. It can be considered borderline child pornagraphy.
we should have a forum somewhere to do these type of debates. We've got too little space here to really explain our thoughts. It's hard to really get through a subject like this in a box that starts jumping up and down after six or seven lines! I know of a site about Manga and all sorts, that has a forum too. They have a special space for extensive debates about moral issues of all types: http://www.animea.net/forums/ . People can write down their thoughts as much as they want, and debate to their hearts content. All they ask is no abusing each other, but then, we don't do that, do we...
hahaha, those mangaka sure crack me up... neat idea though, for little girls who's mums haven't told them yet...
This looks like the first chapter of a big, beautiful novel set in Ancient China. Usually situations like this are bleak and cruel. This has the promise of a long story of 2 brothers, surviving all sorts of hardships thanks to their love for each other. I can see it just like that. Too bad the mangaka didn't...
Fabulous story! I can't believe some movie producer hasn't already snatched it away! And the drawings make a great change if you're suffering from manga cuteness-overload. Very original, and full of expression. Meoww :-D
Did you kids notice how her artwork improved over the chapters? In the beginning, half the characters were just little gost-figures. Towards the end, she hardly ever needs to do that anymore. I still think the editors rush the authors too much, in Japan.
Too bad there aren't any comics like this made in the West, to make young gay kids feel better about themselves. Gay kids in Japan are so lucky! Don't y'all think so too?
Shounen ai seems, on the whole, more to be written from a female point of view, and targeted at high school girls than something for gay kids.
I think between shounen ai, yaoi and bara Asian gay young adult are pretty lucky indeed. I know that yaoi, shoinen ai are targeting fujoshi and bara are targeting fundanshi but I sincerely hope gay young adult read shounen ai too. It'll be good to see that not all gay boys are manly man built likea greek Gods. And not all gay relationship
I think between shounen ai, yaoi and bara Asian gay young adult are pretty lucky indeed. I know that yaoi, shoinen ai are targeting fujoshi and bara are targeting fundanshi but I sincerely hope gay young adult read shounen ai too. It'll be good to see that not all gay are manly man built like greek Gods. And that
And that spending time with your boyfriend don't have to be nc 17 hot sexy stuff all the time. Nothing wrong with keeping it pg rated like in shounen ai mangas. (Whoops sorry for double posts and an incomplete post at that, I keep accidentally hitting the post button T-T).
It was initially meant for girls, yeah. Because there is not such a gap between the sexes in Japan as there is in the West, and because girls like to see that boys are just as romantic as they are. And they were right, for ever since the first yaoi and shounen ai manga started out, its public became huge and of all ages and genders. Also, contrary to the west, in Japan many comic drawers are women; so they like to draw these pretty romantic-like boys with large eyes. Nobody seems to mind, so, these manga are a big blessing for all gay kids in the world.
Interesting to follow, you want to find out what is going to happen next. I don't like the way the faces are drawn. The translation is terrible, too. Tons of mistakes.
would you like to translate it into a better one since you are not satisfied with the 'terrible' translation done by the scanlators?
Gee, if cockroaches really looked like that, I'd be sad to live in a country where there aren't any of them. As it is, I rather think I'm fortunate
If you know the real tale "the wolf & the 7 goats", you almost drop dead with laughter when you see those huge brothers. (wipes tears). "In the end, I was eaten"... I'm laughing again XD