Read the fucking plot and quit bothering other ppl.
And like just comment your comment without attacking other ppl pls
Just wanna enjoy the Manwha without all this r**e discussion...is it really too much to ask...???...
yes actually
Lol No one is forcing you to read the comments. If you want an echo chamber, make your own personal discord dedicated to the series, and invite like-minded people. Problem solved.
Why??? The purpose is to enjoy the story, not to keep harping in the one point. I don't understand what you understand about reading a story. I mean. A story is 1% rape and 99% story. So why are you focusing on that 1%?!?
Why?!? I was enjoying the discussion, with like-minded people on here. Why would I go make an echo chamber??? I have a free voice as everyone else too. What's your point???
this is so funny coming from the person writing essays about how the rapist is “not that bad” and saying the omega deserved it bc he went there to see him.
Didn't say he deserved it, but that he had been a fool to show up unannounced after the breakup. And they hadn't talked nor had plans to meet up. They had not communicated at any point other than the texts he had sent him, but if which Ian had not read. The encounter was much unexpected. And yes, he was a fool to go see Ian. Even if Ian had not been in rut they would have just a super awkward conversation.
Anyways you didn't get my point about the essays. Don't know if you have even bothered to read them. Don't really care anymore at this point.
Again, this moral policing. What a headache. Go make your own point elsewhere.
I'm just gonna analyze the chapter how I see fit.
no who tf is going to read all your 3000 word essays on something so simple? they’re unnecessary
moral policing lol. people are just telling you that you’re victim blaming and that the alpha is a rapist? you can write essays but people can’t respond to them? you’re a funny person
Well, if you’re enjoying discussing the series on here with “like-minded people,” why tf are you complaining about the commenters who are discussing the uke’s rape/rapist??? What’s YOUR fucking point?
Rape is rape babe u really dont think we gonna read rape and be like "oh ok but the story is nice" bfrrr
Oh good. And yet you want to point out everything I did "wrong". If you don't read it, then there's no point in debating it with you. I've said from the get go, ever since my post of the analysis of this webcomic back then up to ch. 7 that I will ONLY be discussing the finer points of the comic NOT including the rape fantasy. I'm so done with this. If you don't read it then why are we even having this discussion?!? Everything is covered in there. Why is it unnecessary when it literally include all points to discussed in there. If you don't read it. Why are we even having this convo?!? Convo over. I don't give two shits about ppl think anymore. So shush
EXACTLY the kind of moral policing I'm talking about?!? Funny. Right. This is the EXACT thing I was talking about. You ppl are DOING the moral policing and not even knowing it and yet you said I'm defending the "rapist" in an literal rape fantasy webcomic and that I'm victim blaming. Noah is a shit character, made weak and presented as weak and clueless in a world full of alphas and omegas. Take your moral policing elsewhere. I'm done defending myself against bullshit and ppl with MORAL HIGH GROUNDS in a fictitious fantasy Webtoon. Get OVER yourselves. Just here to enjoy my comic, not to get all riled up about some "moral compass failings" in a fantasy webcomic about ppl who literally acts as animals and where men can get pregnant. Go preach to the characters themselves.
My point is EXACTLY what you have said, ppl are allowed to express their opinions. So my opinion is that ppl should shut up about the rape because yes this is literally a fantasy about rape. I don't need to defend my position anymore.
I can EXACTLY express my OWN opinion about how ppl should shut up about the rape because THEY also have right to express THEIR opinion about the rape. It's just so ...
I didn't go into everyone's page and talk about the rape. I wanted to have a discussions on plots points OTHER than the rape. However I've finally realized that NO MATTER WHICH point in the story in the story the rape topic kept coming up so then it defeats my purpose of even trying to debate this story with ppl who are so hellbent about making the story all about rape and how it is WRONG. Blah blah blah blah. I didn't come to this story to discuss about that. And I've already cleared that up in my other posts. These are my opinion. It clearly didn't say I'm going to shut you up. But if by logic you're tryiny to shut up other ppl because you feel this comic is morally wrong. Good for you. And when I complain against that you say then you say why am I complaining about that?!? Just EXACTLY what I have said. End of discussion.
no way you called this a rape fantasy webcomic LOL. ive seen rape fantasy webcomics and this is not one of them. and noah isnt a weak character either and also not naive just bc he made one bad decision? maybe if you weren’t writing stupid victim blaming bullshit people wouldnt be annoying you so much. i thought you had critical thinking skills?
Oh right. Let me Throw this back Right In Your face. Go read something else if you don't like my running commentary. Whatever your perception of r**e comics are is None-of-my-concern. Like I said, I'm not here to the discus the ***e story. I am here to discuss the finer points of the story. *Not sure* why this has to be reiterated time and time again. Right, it's YOUR perception of what is right or wrong. I'm sorry if you and everyone else who are moral policing other ppl's reading fantasies DON'T FEEL the SAME way. I give TWO SHITS about your definitions of what's right and wrong, and what is considered so "wrong" because you don't perceive it as **** fantasy. That's on you. I really don't care. Define it what you will. However you will.
AGAIN, I am here NOT to talk about it. So WHAT is it that you don't understand about my NOT WANTING to talk about that - what is it that you are TRYING so hard to accomplish that you keep bringing it up?!? I SPECIFICALLY STATED in my posts that I am HERE ONLY to discuss PLOT POINTS NOT related to the rape. I don't like talking about it and if you're gonna have a discourse with me on it, I'm not having it. And if you agree to my discourse then stay on the topics at hand. Otherwise, I have NOTHING ELSE to say to you or anyone else who keeps on wanting to broach this subject with me. END of discussion.
And guess what, if these so-called "ppl" are SOOo annoyed with my discourse then don't read it. The reverse is true for me. Discussing ___ EXACTLY what I've posted in my header___ giving me your morals values and what not ___ keep it to yourselves. And stay on MY TOPIC. The SAME EXACT REASONING about how I irk someone with my writing is the EXACT reason why I find it bothersome that ppl would harp on the exact thing I deem irrelevant to the story as a whole and that is ALL they would talk about. Whatever. Idc anymore. The same reasoning that irks me is the same as yours and everyone else's : that if (you or I) hadn't written what (you or I) had written then the opposite party (the "they") would not have been so "OFFENDED" as to "come attack (you or I)" when I have LITERALLY posted in my header that I'm NOT talking about it?!? Why there are ppl who likes to preach about the morality of things on a site full of adult-mature themes is beyond me, and yet is irked by my posting, because it doesn't AGREE with their values from the real world, saying that I shouldn't have written these because it irks them?!? Well, the logic goes BOTH ways, the exact same thing that you (guys) wrote irks me. So maybe YOU should stop writing them because it irks ME?!? Imploring a group of ppl full of moral high grounds, who likes to preach about morals on a website full of explicit materials, to talk about something ELSE, to think deeper and outside of the box, apparently isn't cutting it, because at the end of the day, that's all they can see, so it's worthless of my time now. If you tell me to stop writing things that irks you, well, you should do the same, stop writing things that irks me. Goes BOTH ways, don't you think?!?
The EXACT same fucking reasoning can be applied for to you (and other people). Stop writing and posting shit that annoys ME. Yes, me. It's NOT ALL ABOUT YOU, you know??? Again, this is fantasy and fiction. If you don't like it, go read something else. I'm just here to enjoy the comic. Not to hear about everyone crying about rape and how it's wrong. If a normal person doesn't even know it's wrong then they have problems.
ALL works of fiction is fantasy. Define it how you will. I give two fucks about your reasoning an logic.
you really think anyone read your essay, basically u are saying rape is not wrong and you were the one in the first place being bothered by other comments, u sound really immature idk u would probably also justify shotacon saying its fantasy, please seek help
Oh wow, @salvation, so fine of you yo ATTACk me and then running away by blocking me. Don't even have the GUTS for my response after attacking me. What is it that you DON'T GET about fiction and the ability to differentiated from RL??? You keep going to other ppl and attacking them for their viewpoints and then attacking them personally over a piece of fiction. Really, get a life. Oh wait. You're ALREADY out of my life, GOOR FOR YOU. CONGRATS.
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My original post for you, if you happen to want to read it is this:.
You're projecting and are out of line. I don't know why you keep coming after me saying I said rape is not wrong. What part of the fantasy world don't you understand?!? It's "fine" of you as to go SO FAR as to attack my CHARACTER AS A PERSON when you now Next-To-Nothing About Me. The only immature people are those who whine about rape and who go around JUDGING people. You shameless p.o.s.
I don't need to justify myself to you. Why would I need to seek help?!? Are you EVEN LISTENING to yourself?!? You're morally policing me and you don't even KNOW it and I'm calling you out on it and then you say I condone rape, which is THE EXACT definition of what moral policing IS!!! On a fucking manhwa fantasy WEBSITE. Just get that thru your FUCKING HEAD for once. And why would you assume I am ok with defending Shota on?!? Some stupid giant leap you've made there. You asshole. I am just here to freakimg enjoy an comic. Not to be preached at about how I do or don't defend a character in a fictional story AS IF it is a REFLECTION of who I am. Your mind is really twisted. I'm not having this convos anymore. Go fucking bother SOMEONE ELSE. For once.
It's simple. In a story there are always multiple sides. The MC's. The ML's. The other characters' in the stoy. And us, the readers.
If ALL you can see is the MC's view point - that is, his interpretation of things - and can ONLY empathize with the MC AND believe in his plight, that's a very filtered way of viewing the world. The world isn't black and white. The MC in this comic is NOT a victim. When I do my analysis, it is a balanced viewpoint, not the MC's viewpoint alone. Sympathizing with a character is easy, but are the reasons valid?!? Is your head clear when you're making this judgement?!? To do so with an open mind and a fair assessment is not easy. In THIS case, ppl are blindly arguing and taking the MC's side without considering ALL of the facts, because they are so emotionally invested in this MC who is ALSO A VERY "Empathize-able" character. Emotions move people. I get it. The very word emote means "to move". It's ok. Not everyone can see everything. But don't call me dumb because you can't see everything and taking sides because I'm NOT on the side of the ML. But I see his plight. Which means I'm seeing the whole and not just the half - and by half don't forget the half we see is ONLY YeJun's p.o.v. - which is very biased 1) because he is VERY emotional (and emotionally invested in our ML) and 2) is very airheaded and a weak, pathetic character - so it is TYPICAL that as emotional people we tend to connect with the weak, and not the strong and 3) YeJun's filtered p.o.v. takes up 90% of our screen time, meaning when we see half, we really really only see 10% of the story from DoYoon's side, everything ELSE is the filtered 90% of the story from YeJun's "half". Actually, I'm giving it a HUGE margin, but everything is literally from YEJUN'S p.o.v. so technically it's 100% pure bias. If you can compress YeJun's 100% down to at least 20% then you can begin to see Ian's side of the story. We don't really see other characters and their viewpoints in this situation, so ALL we can interpret is what we see between these two characters ONLY. So we only have two sides of the story, plus our own (interpretation). However, unlike the characters in the story, we are ONLY privy to ONE. And that one seems to have compressed the WHOLE 90% of the screen. Which means we are ONLY seeing that 90%. If ONLY 10% is left for presentation of the other person then ofc the viewpoint would be skewed. The author did a good job of getting us to see things ONLY through the "poor omega's p.o.v." and because he's such a "poor omega" and the alpha is "such a dick" people are swayed by their emotions over this "poor omega" and CAN'T THINK STRAIGHT for even a FRACTION OF A SECOND in order to stand back to analyze the WHOLE story. It's funny when you can see something other ppl can't, and then being called names because they can't see the obvious, overall picture. It's NOT about Noah. It's about Ian as well. (And here comes the ppl mad at me for protecting Ian. It's funny bcz he's also a victim of this so-called nature of omegas and alphas, but I've written at length on it so I won't go into it here).
The whole picture this paints is of the relationships between the different genders and how much they are regulated and controlled by their strong animalistic, PRIMAL sexual urges and how much they are INFLUENCED by the sex pheromones, so THAT they helplessly turn into beastly creatures not of their own making, and no matter how much they fight against those instincts - with DoYoon the case in point TRYING SO HARD to avoid being ruled by his BASIC sexual instincts and pheromones by employing methods to steer clear clear of omegas altogether - whether refraining from socializing or interacting with them, to not having sexual relationships with them, to secreting repulsive sexual pheromones during his rut to repel them - they had ALL ULTIMATELY failed him - Fate played a cruel joke on him. They threw in an omega and he's done for. Hahaha. He had met his match and life played a cruel joke on him and gave him an omega mate. And a child. Good grief. Yes, poor Ian. His mind was too far gone, he didn't even know his pheromones had changed a beta or triggered a latent hyper recessive omega, induced him into heat, and then had sex with him. He only later woke up to find out that he had been mate-bonded.
Ian ALSO didn't have a choice in his mate selection, AND he had ALSO lost the chance for WHEN to mark him. So he lost out on having the autonomy to choose a mate, and the time to mark his mate when he is ready to be bonded or to make that commitment. What if he had NEVER WANTED it at all?!? Would have been a cruel thing to do. Or what if he likes another??? And yet had already been bonded?!? Why is it that ppl can ONLY see things from the omega's points of view SUBJECTIVELY??? I'm a very emotional person (yup, I didn't write all this nonsense cuz I'm unfeeling) but my mind is not filtered like YeJun's and it's precisely because I am not him that I can see more. When it comes to one's own experiences, one will never be unfeeling, it's as simple as that. Anyways, for Ian, it's like a flash marriage he didn't want but he can never take the ring off, and all that belongs to him now belongs to someone else (not monetarily, but his body). And IF he should decide to have kids he can ONLY DO THAT WITH THAT ONE PERSON. Let's hope he Likes Ian, or he'll be forever resentful that this (his autonomy to choose his mate) had been taken away from him. So no, there is NO NEED for a redemption arc, either Ian loves him, or he doesn't. Life isn't fair like that. Too bad there is no novel. Would've been nice to see things from Ian's perspective.
girl ur doing too much
Lmaooo all this rant only for you to have biased view too. I don't really care if you side with the love interest but dude you need to stop watering down the abusive things he did to the mc.
Also, I found this comment you made:
"Noah is no victim. He places himself in that situation. Nobody asked him to show up at Ian's doorstep."
Huh? It's crazy how you think mc is complicit to the abuse he has suffered from the main lead. The victim blaming and dickriding you're doing is downright insane.
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He didn't have a reason to be there. And how is he the victim if Ian didn't have control over his basic , primal alpha urges?!? I'm assuming your read enough ABO to realize this. It's not simple pheromones to attract mate, if causes them to go into heat. Ian was NOT expecting Noah to be there. He didn't summon him. Dude went there on his own. If Ian had been lucid he would NOT have yanked Noah inside after having already broken up and distancing himself until Noah decided to show up. How is it his fault that Noah had turned?!? He didn't summon Noah there. Now, tell me, which reason was valid for Noah to show up at all?!? The inhibitor?!? I think not. Dude didn't even know to use it. He HIMSELF had said that he was using the inhibitor "as an excuse to go see Ian one last time". He was sad unfortunatell victim of fate and biology. Ian, his right mind, would NOT have resumed any FURTHER sexual activities with Noah, because he is the sensible one. The one with emotional attachment is Noah which is why he came seeking Ian.
Can you imagine WHAT kind of convos they would have had if Ian hadn't been rutting?!? A VERY AWKWARD one.
But abuse, what did you mean? Ian didn't abuse him. Not in the past. But I'm sure he's livid at having been mate - bonded against his will.
I'm not biased. You are. I wrote a lot in a different post analyzing everything. This is but a snippet. Read and if you still agree, fine. But stop trying to argue w/ me on EVERY point because that LONG ASS thread contains everything that needs to be discussed already.
I know. Can't let that college education go to waste, though. Critical thinking skills are important. I think this is one of the few stories I care about. It's just so simple and easy to just "judge" something, but to analyze it critically is a whole other thing together.
Look. Ian never told him to go to his house, and they didn't ever agree to meet. He showed up at Ian's place out of the blue. Yes, he texted Ian, but Ian hadn't read the texts, presumably because he was already high in rut. And if they hadn't communicated since they'd broken up he had no reason to expect him. So Ian didn't even know he was coming.
And I don't know why you kept saying Noah is a victim when Ian CLEARLY didn't want to have sex w/ Noah when Noah had wanted more than a FWB relationship, and never wanted to have sex with omegas, but yet Noah showed up, got turned into an omega by his pheromones, which he wasn't even AWARE of doing, and then he forced the omega into heat, because it's a natural phenomenon for alphas in heat?!? Like, he didn't have any control over his rut ...and nobody (ahem, looking at you YeJun) had known to inject him the inhibitor - makes no sense to try to give it back when he doesn't even know when to use it. Anyways, everything Ian did was not withing is control, inducing an omega to go into heat, which causes the omega to be receptive to the rutting alpha, ALL very natural and part of the order of things in an omegaverse. And then the desire to mark the omega came out, as well as the instinct to impregnate said omega. Now, IF Ian HAD done this INTENTIONALLY, then yes, it's abuse.an was gone in the upper highs sky and you can still blame him. That's h-i-l-a-r-o-u-s.
And once the alpha had the omega turned on, the omega releases his own pheromones which then attracts the alpha, so that it's a back-and-forth interaction (it's like a mating call for birds or whatever, but with chemical signalling & messaging, in a dance). This mutual dance then becomes this frenzied thing until the mark has been achieved. I don't know why ppl are blaming Ian when 1) he's under the influence of his sexual instincts and sex hormones and then in addition, the turned on omega's pheromones. In a regular world, the two, alpha and omega, would just be doing this naturally, like in the wild you see rutting animals. As well, ppl also go at it like animals, just without all this intense rutting and without pheromonal influence. I'm not sure what's so surprising about that. and 2) Noah came out of nowhere. And 3) if Noah or another beta had been around they would have only experienced rough sex, not a bond, and definitely not a pregnancy. It was just all fate and circumstance. This was NOT CREATED BY Ian. And lastly, blaming Ian for the mark doesn't make sense, precisely because of all of the reasons above. First of all, Ian had NEVER want to be w/ omegas, secondly, he didn't want a serious relationship, and LASTLY he was not expecting an omega or one that WAS susceptible to being tranformed/differentiate into an omega on the VERY day he was going into rut. And yes, while the alpha has to do the marking for it to work he didn't force the mark. If by force you mean because he was forced by his instincts and the omega's pheromes, then yes. But an intentional forcing by a lucid alpha, then no. He was enticed by the omega and his pheromones and his own alpha instinct to mark him. That's what you get for messing with an alpha. I know YeJun didn't go there knowing he had turned, but regardless, he was a victim of circumstance and as well as for Ian. I would've liked to say that both are unfortunate except Noah REALLY REALLY likes being Ian's omega, and if Ian hadn't felt the same way, then that REALLY sucks for him. And it sucks ppl say that Ian marked him ("bit him first"- I mean should he wait for the omega to bite HIM first?!?) when ofc he is the one who has to do the marking.....so blaming the marking on him as he is the one who has to do it didn't even make any sense. It's like saying, oh the omega attracted me w/ his scent and seduced me and opened his neck for me to bite him. Like what?!??! I mean...so if the omega did that and Ian was unwilling it's still blamed on Ian anyways?!? I mean, how else was this gonna go down?!?
Yeah, in the first chapter he definitely came off as a jerk though. But he really loves Noah's pheromones, once he's got it forced out of him. He had said :" ~ Ah, this is the (pheromone) scent I remember" (when, according to him, he had remembered nothing else). Since recessive omegas don't exude a scent, so there's no way to know until the heat is induced. Anyways, regardless of what happens now, they're bonded. So there's no getting around that fact.
Bro are we even reading the same webtoon? You claim to have critical thinking skills but dang, look at all these points you are trying to make. All these word salads just really serve to manipulate folks into believing the love interest is not as bad as he seems.
Preach all you want but it is evident how biased you are. I know most readers learn to separate fiction and reality and I really hope this applies to you as well. Because the way how you strongly defend the love interests actions make me honestly fear what your real life views on abuse are.
Also, you have the choice not to reply but you chose to reply so why are you complaining lmao.
Anyway, this will be my last reply cause I have to finish work. Good talk though.
It's funny you just said that "ppl know how to differentiate life and fiction" but you failed to grasp that I do know this is fiction and yet you just equate my "dissection of Omegaverses" which we ALL know is a make-believe world....well, ALL fiction are make believe, but at least those are on a MORE believable ground than a man getting pregnant and being influenced by ruts and pherormones, and YET you equate this reality from my dissection AS IF I WOULD APPLY my knowledge to the real world. It makes so little sense you would equate that. I'm not sure how or why you would judge me based on my analysis of a FICTIONAL piece into caring about who I am as a person in the REAL world. You forget this piece and many other works are always very biased, esp. in love stories like these, told from a perspective of a weaker person, subjected to his emotions and acting on emotions rather than rational decisions. I'm not sure why you would question my very being as someone who "has questionable judgment" in real life because I can critique a piece of literature that other ppl can't?!? More objectively?!? I'm not going off of Noah's delusional thinking. Puh-lease. Don't be questioning my morality when we're LITERALLY discussing a piece of fictional work. ¯_ಠ_ಠ_/¯¯_ಠ_ಠ_/¯
you know what it never was? that serious
not a whole college thesis in the comments of an omegaverse manwha
because OP has to let everyone know they went to college hurr durr critical thinking
Apparently that is lacking in this comment section. The critical thinking.
It is incredibly conceited to assume that you know the story and nuances better than other readers who support the mc and hate the ml.
If they DID, they wouldn't have been supporting the MC.
This is exactly what I mean. It is extremely conceited and biased to believe that only your view of the mc and ml and their relationship is correct.
I'm the biased one?!? I don't think Noah is a character worthy of pity. This makes my view somehow biased. When the funny thing is that ppl are so quick to judge and side with that character. I don't know why we're going down this path again. It's already written in my post and my other essays. Go read or not but I'm tired of this discussion.
If you don't like my rant then don't fucking show up to my page. Write you OWN horrid storyline and GTFO my face.
Why did uncle do all those stupid things to his OWN family?! Wtf he even married if he was gonna off his wife??? Raised his son so he can slander and make him the scapegoat for everything?!?
And even if Kang SeungTae says he's with SiHyeon, doesn't mean he can't have his henchmen kill him off. But let's say he's innocent, then the uncle killed him.
I feel bad for the cousin. His dad is an asshole. So he grew up without a mom too?!? Wtaf. If I were him I'd either wipe out the family or run off to have my own life. That dickhead of a father. He SHOULD rot in jail forever.
Having glanced at the comments section before going into the comic made me biased against Chiharu but as I'm reading it I'm feeling things. The art is phenomenal and their backstory is really sweet. I cried a few times.
I'm also old so I have much more perspective regarding how things are different in the past, things we wanted but didn't get, the missed chances, failures and successes, people who have been there with us, how ourselves and our relationships evolved over time. Etc. etc. and then coming to terms with them in the present.
Chiharu, I thought was a deadbeat loser but irl he's such a cute sweetheart, and was the shining light that Shuto never knew he needed. He's not a deadbeat as he does have a job but he'd rather mooches off Shuto and pretend he's being stalked just to live with him and pretend he's lacking in work.
This is so sad but....either he knows his pheromones is too strong, or...as YeJun/Noah feels it, a scent of utter desolation....that means Ian feels removed from this world, or doesn't want to make connections with omegas, for some reason...So...he doesn't want his pheromones to influence them. I wonder if it's a subconscious rejection?!? Maybe that's why he only goes after betas. Oophh, sounds like Ian has a painful past.
And I guess I was wrong about Noah's intentionally trying to get laid as an omega. But it's just really difficult to envision an informed womb suddenly manifesting since organs takes a ALONG TIME to grow, and if betas ALREADY have wombs then they're already omegas by default, and if they have wombs and turns into alphas then the womb goes away?!?
Anyways, poor Noah.
Imy theory is Noah was misdiagnosed as a beta but he was an extremely recessive omega that never had an actual heat and Ian's dominant alpha pheromones influenced Noah's body to develop into a regular omega
Yeah, that's possible too but I've always read stories where omegas get really wet when they have seggs. So even if he's recessive he should be excreting sex-stimulated lubricants. It's hard cuz Ik Omegaverses are just made up junk-a-bullshits, but like make the bullshits make sense. I mean, recessive from my understanding is just really low pheromone levels (almost undetectable) and low conceivability. But if sex-stimulated lubricants aren't even there then....like, so are you an omega or not?
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I meant secreting. So tired zzz
Everytime I read this, my blood boils
Everytime they introduce a new character You'd think we'd be on to something. The thing is, it just makes everything MORE confusing and convoluted. With this new ch. We finally see that there is definitely more of a thread to this than the ML and MC being fucked by God. The uncle is a piece of shit.
Ok, I finally understood why the uncle is transferring his brother's share to his nephew, to get in the good graces of his father. But like, he's just losing his footings if he transfers the shares ...but anyways, he's listening to Kang SeungTae, for some reason....so now that SiHeyon had more shares and can combine w SeungTae then that would tip the favor?!? Why is he SOOOO shitty to his own son?!? Wouldn't he Want his son to succeed?!? I mean, after he's dead and gone he'd still rather be his nephew to stake the claims?!?
Ok, so SiHyeon has more worth than his looks and and being banged and sleeping around. Gottit.
Regarding DoYoon's use of his pheromones to suppress YeJun being an asshole move: yes, but of course, in the past he wouldn't have been able to do that because Noah/YeJun was IMMUNE to that. IF he was THAT MUCH of an asshole he COULD JUST get with an omega, since he CAN use his pheromones to subjegate the omega. Why mess around with a beta for??? ~ Hmmm... Questions..
Also, let's say an alpha's pheromones are really powerful, is the rule of this universe stating that the omegas are rendered helpless?!? Or was it because YeJun is not strong enough to fight it?!? But then again, DoYoon is a dominant alpha so...yeah, it sucks he's using his pheromones to prove a point... 1.) To prove Noah is an omega --- hmph so he's jeering at him --- using pheromone communications 2.) To prove that Noah is his mate. [*Rape discussion not included*]
~ANYWAYS~
What I want to get the crux of this is:
They had a very good friendship relationship UP until their very first sexual intimacy THAT WE CAN see so far in the latest chapter. (Ch. 7). In-no-way did it depict him as being an asshole. Let's say he DID seduce the beta, then you can say then that beta had been seduced. The problem for YeJun (and for us as readers being *sympathetic* to him -- as it is being told from his p.o.v.) lies in the fact that he has feelings for DoYoon --- and he had GONE INTO the physical relationship KNOWING that. He didn't want to be REJECTED so he went along with him. Let's SAY for the sake of the argument that DY seduced YJ KNOWING YJ has feelings for him, then yes, he's an asshole for using him, DESPITE knowing those feelings, IF the relationship was purely transactional. But... ACTUALLY whether or not DY only seduced him to "use" him or NOT remains to be seen. YeJun could have easily denied him, but because he has feelings for the alpha he decided to go along with it, As He HIMSELF had said...
People forget that people get into FWB sitch all of the time, and this only works if neither party has feelings for each other or if the breakup (discontinuation of the sex or friendship altogether) would not affect them. Like, they can somehow dissociate from it (the physical acts from the feelings).
So, this relationship is based on what would SEEM to be a one-sided relationship. --- AT "ANY GIVEN POINT IN TIME" YeJun COULD Have said "let's quit this". It doesn't have to be DoYoon to be the one breaking it off. The reason the beta is hurt is because he's the one with more emotional investment. And another thing, if sex with a beta is SoOO painful or frustrating because of how a beta isn't built to take-in an alpha's dick, why can't DY just do it with an omega?!? Did people miss the part where he'd asked YeJun if he'd wanted to stop before he puts it in the first time around?!? And then instead of thrusting in all-the-way he only went as far as they both could handle and then he said, ok that's enough for today. Let's say again, for the sake of the argument that he's only SLOWLY easing the beta into the sex so he won't feel so much pain and will be less likely to refuse him and build more trust with him, then you can say, oh, he's only doing this for that purpose, just a fling.
We ACTUALLY DON'T know the reason why he'd said what he'd said when he'd told YeJun that "he doesn't mind that YeJun is a beta" --- that part can be interpreted as his trying to console the beta --- until the "it's better that you're not an omega, actually" -+- ok, that one can be up for interpretation....It can be he was just saying that to comfort YeJun, OR he has his own hangups about omegas, or MAYBE, as someone else had said, he wanted a pure relationship NOT dictated by pheromones, NOT that so he can mess around w/o consequences (someone mentioned pregnancy consequence) --- if sex with a beta is Soooo difficult/painful then why bother?!? And why go slowly?!? Stringing him along?!? All these are but possibilities. Anyways, DY must have broken it off with YeJun because he has been mate bonded. The reason was NEVER given.
Also, during the rut we don't know if it was an accidental marking due to an unawareness of omegahood manifestation and subsequent heat induction by a rutting alpha or if YeJun went into it knowing he's been turned...these are all assumptions.
All-right-now, we're going on to the court cases/parental rights. BOTH parents have rights to the custody of their child. Noah doesn't have to the right to keep the child solely for himself, unless he's proven incapable, which he isn't, but if we have competent lawyers from the dominant/powerful /rich alpha then most likely alpha would win <--- assuming this gets taken to court. Now, so far, we have ONLY been seeing things from a sopping wet mop of a sorry-ass omega who is fearful of the repercussions of having marked an alpha and then running away, AND WHO for some UNKNOWN reason, is raising the child IN SECRECY AND FEARING that child would be taken away. Nobody had explained the reason why that is. Everyone is like, yes, the alpha has come-to-take the child away. Umm, ok.... and that, yes, he will win, that is why the omega is Sooo FEARFUL...wait, like wat??? Is this a typical setting in this universe?!? First of all, DoYoon was never even interested in Omegas in the first place --- according to YJ, OR it COULD be that he liked YJ REGARDLESS of HIS GENDER. When he came to meet/confront YJ, he had said, oh, yes, a child, he must be the right age to be mine. But NO WHERE did it say that he will LITERALLY be taking the child away. THAT is ONLY YeJun's fear - and again, I have no idea where his fear is coming from. I do not know whether or not YeJun is responsible for the marking accidentally or intentionally<--- but which MAY be the root of his fears.
If YEJUN had interpreted DoYoon's saying that "it's good that you're a beta, and in fact it's good that you're not an omega" to mean that he's only worthwhile/relevant to DY if he is NOT an omega then his having turned omega would make him sad and scared that DoYoon will no longer be into him. He's afraid of being rejected. That brings up a good point, someone had said that he's probably afraid DY won't like him anymore since he's turned. .... But, moreover, he didn't JUST turned, dude straight up went into heat and forced alpha to mark him w/o his consent. I would like to say that it is unclear if YJ knows that he had manifested and sneaked in (by sneaked in it could be a literal I've-come-to-see-you-during-your-rut-knowing-I've-turned-but-wanted-to-be-with-you-as-an-omega anyways) during DoYoon's rut, resulting in the marking, OR that during DY's rut he went into heat not knowing he had turned <--- as SOME people had pointed out... BUT, you can see YeJun is WAY more Lucid than DY was during the rutting sex, even though he was in heat. He even recovered first and went to wash the sheets. I'm ASSUMING he had more awareness about the marking than DY did due to his being more lucid and could have stopped DY from marking him --- assuming he knows that much about omega hood --- and also knowledge about how if an alpha comes inside an omega in heat it will impregnate the omega -- unless he hadn't known....Or that their sex was so intense that in-the-moment he was clouded by pheromones or being high from the sex.... But uh, then why tf did he run away if he hadn't known?!? There's NO FUCKING WAY he'd ran IF HE HADN'T KNOWN. Wtaf. He's afraid and ran away from the responsibility of the marking AND the fact he's turned an omega, which MAY enrage DY. Anyways, he was the one who ran away.
IF their relationship was purely FWB the only one to get hurt is the one with feelings. For the sake of the argument, let's say DY was just playing with him, then, end of story ---[the conclusion that the alpha is an asshole story, no explanations needed there]---. But if DY had feelings but never expressed them then who knows?!? OR, that if he DOESN'T KNOW YJ's FEELINGS for him and YJ didn't express anything then yeah, it's all on YJ for not voicing his feelings. YJ went into this relationship WITH feelings. Nobody forced him into it. Even IF DY had broken it off for legitimate reasons he would still have been Hurt. Or, if this a misunderstanding kind-of-trope then it's for whatever reason he's drummed up inside his head. Too many unanswered questions...
If DY didn't care about YJ why did he have sex with him?!? I mean, when they reunited?!? He could have just taken the child and go. No need to build any kind of relationship...my guess is that YJ DID such a good job of disappearing that it was difficult to find him. AND IF this Omegaverse is one that has betas possibly manifesting into their second gender at some point in time other than during adolescence, at a MUCH later stage, or being w/ an alpha turns them... then the possibility that this MAY have occured made DY realize this at MUCH LATER time that his mate COULD be YJ, in which case then it can partially contribute to the time lapse -- and would make sense too, as to why he sought out Noah. We don't know. The other factor is that YJ hid well too. And so added to that it took him 5 years to find him. Just a guess. Since, 5 years is a very long time. If it hadn't occured to DY that maybe YJ had turned he wouldn't have tried to seek him out. To confirm, of course, he had to use his pheromones, since, if YJ is SOOO MUCH LIKE A BETA due to his EXTREMELY recessive nature then he can ALWAYS deny he's an omega, except ofc for the fact that DY saw his mark. And conjectured that this kid could be THEIR child. Not his, not his, but THEIRS, or OURS.
And like I said, if sex with a beta was so difficult and painful, as DY had said: "back then, even with a good amount of lube it was difficult" to insert and have sex and he couldn't thrust in all-the-way. My guess is that he likes YJ but either unvoiced or just an undefined or just FWB relationship. But when DY had cut it off, he didn't cut off the friendship part, when I looked back it feels as if he cut off the sex part but wouldn't mind being friends. But YJ interpreted it as if DY doesn't want him anymore so he's heart broken. And he said he's been dumped, but for one to be dumped it has to be an official relationship (dating/bf/fiance). FWB doesn't have that same commitment and definition. As far as I know, it's not an obligation - you just stop being FWB once you decide you don't want to anymore, although that is the same for official relationships, but the one butt hurt is YJ, because he's the one with feelings, AT LEAST, as far as it has been shown.
I'm guessing he left because of a broken heart. Then he hid because he's fearful that DY would find out he's the omega that's he's marked, and according to what we know DY said to YJ that he doesn't mind that YJ is a beta, but he must have either interpreted the "In fact, I'm glad you're not an omega" as I don't like omegas, --- but it could have been said to console YJ. But, as of yet, we don't know the meaning behind that. If one were to assume is that DY is 1) just playing around w/ YJ. Ok, so let's say he is, so what?!? --- the relationship is undefined/FWB and YJ went in knowing that or finding out that it is --- he could have broken it off or alter its course. And 2) DY is doing it w/ a beta so he doesn't impregnate some omega <--- Ok, but that is JUST an assumption!!! Given how much DY kept emphasizing the difference NOW compared to THEN. Now, the third point: why is YJ so FEARFUL the alpha would take away THEIR kid?!? It's the WHY for me. Not the legality of the case nor the fact that it's the powerful ability of an alpha to win a court case, thus forcimg the omega to relinquish the child.
Also, I've had a response from someone making an ASSUMPTION that "Mr. A-Hole" would think that YeJun did that to tie him down with money --- that's why YJ didn't tell him....what?!? Maybe with love, but not with money....in WHICH PART of the story did that even occur?!? DY didn't approach YJ SOLELY BECAUSE he's a beta. He said "it's better that you're a beta", but it never said why. Upon their reunion DY even said, I don't mind the marking, it even stabilized my rut. And WHERE did it say that DY thinks omegas would tie him down in that way?!? And IF SO why would he come after his child now?!? Well, assuming he wants kids now he could just be tracking down Noah for that, sure. I'm sure he didn't know that Noah had a child until he sought him out. Anyways, too much assumptions. I'm leaving room for interpretations.
And let's say even if "tied down with a kid" --- in response to the gold-digging assumption: he's wealthy enough...and can always, as you say, take custody of the kid and just tell the omega to "shoo" since he's powerful enough. I think Noah is just afraid of rejection. But, in order to protect his heart he went away. And, if he knows he's done something wrong (like the non-con marking) then yeah, you bet he'd run his ass out the door....
And to address another point in the same argument against the non-con marking: ...why would DY care to go to court against YJ for the marking?!? What would he gain by it?!? Just waste of his time and money.
Anyways, Can't you see HOW EXCITED he is to see YJ?!? He said, "NOW SEX with you is SOOO good, Cuz No Matter HOW MUCH lube I used in the past it would always be so tight". [And here comes the ragers against non-con sex.] I'm sure DY is JUST Repaying what YJ did to him in the marking. Lol. And unless DY turns YJ into a baby-makimg machine....then. That'll be the end of the ship. But, if he makes more babies and allows them to be all together, then cool.
Yeah, ok. So this one's not a gentle approach kind of thing. But... Hey, five years of no sex.... we're gonna assume the mate-bonded alpha has been celibate....hahaha.
And...during the sex he sniffed the omega, saying ~Ah~ "Oh yes, this is the scent I remembered". (⌒▽⌒) . The end.
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Also, to address the where tf is the baby SiYeon....he's probably sleeping somewhere nearby .. as pointed out by one reader, he has one role to play, appear to be sleeping in every single situation.... But I'm sure he's being safe-kept somewhere so the parents can have "ALONE" time/ sexy time. Let's discuss this mate-bonding time. Let's educate each other on the sex regarding second-gender hood. --- Sarcasm heavily implied by DY's words.
If there are further discussions on plot points you want to discuss, feel free. I analyze everything, no jumping to conclusions just yet. Gotta wait to see how the story unfolds.
I can’t speak on the actual substance of your comment because I can tell it’s loaded with spoilers but just seeing the length and care you put into over-analyzing a Yaoi manhwa shows me, you are my overthinking soulmate and it was love at first comment.
Lmao. Thank you @AnonymousQ.
If, when once you've read it...and I'm sooo glad I labeled and hid this as I realized it may contain elements being addressed as spoilers...since I myself REALLY Really hates spoilers (that are not marked and properly hidden to warn the reader), then feel free to address any plot points (other the overly trampled*rape point) or conjectures you may have. I think I got addicted to the comments section.
Lmao.
Whoah so sad.