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Author just needed to make hot ml and bomb cover and that's all

that's what i said too on the first read. and second. and third. and so on ┗( T﹏T )┛

?? When was/is Lyle unconscious?? (I’m being generous I promise)

*genuine

i think in the future chapters ?

When was he unconcious? Which chapter?

Yes thank you! This whole time I’ve been thinking wtf is romantic or even pleasurable about this situation?! I have P.D.A. (It’s an autism profile) so if someone tried to do ANY of this to me I’d have a meltdown and start kicking ass.

.....didnt ash warn lyle to fuck off since it's his rut and it can be dangerous but lyle was like "I'll be fine." ??? As an alpha himself was lyle unaware of the consequences of his own words and acceptances for ash's rut??? Like you didnt know he was gonna ravage you until nothings left???

Yeah man, the consent was chapters back. Ash gave many chances for him to leave before the UNCONTROLLABLE rut started. Y'all just conveniently forgetting it happened.

Consent can be revoked at anytime.

Finally someone said it

In fact, you are right. It was chapters back, and we came to the point where Lyle is literally telling him to stop and is running away. If you gave consent one time, it doesn't mean you can not take it back.

That simply doesn't matter. Since we're talking about consent, we need to also acknowledge that consect can be revoked. Even if Lyle said yes that one time, it does nothing since right now, he doesn't consent. Lyle clearly tells him to stop, that he's uncomfortable, that he doesn't like it, and trust me later chapters dont make it any better.

But girl this is an alpha’s rut it’s the same in every omegaverse. Trying to apply real-life logic doesn’t work - like men get pregnant in this world if you don’t like it, just don’t read it. Aint no author supporting noncon (as shown in every other sex scene), this is literally what they do in a rut in every fictional world called an omegaverse and the author just decided to include a part of it. Your response is valid but so is everyone else’s response who understands that this is normal in a omegaverse world.

I could tell that they were setting Ash up to have a “dark side” so to speak, and I had hoped that they would handle this like it was in “all about lust” and have him open up about that side of him (maybe even in a comical way to ease any pressure on Lyle to participate) and let Lyle decide what he wanted to explore with Ash. The stereotype they went with instead is harmful and puts people in real life scenarios like this because their partner has rationalized their own behavior and see themselves as “helping their partner open up to new experiences.”

Dude, trust me, I know what omegaverse is. And I've read other omegaverse that include a rut and dont include non-con, crazy, I know. Listen, all im saying is that all the recent sex chapter are non-con, no matter if Lyle said yes before, that's it.

And now you’ve stated the core problem, the omegaverse is set up like this because it helps writers cater to rapists without tipping off the rest of us that it’s rape. Heat/rut scenes make me sick because they go down EXACTLY like my experience did.

I agree I’ve read plenty of these where the guy in rut has enough consciousness to treat their partner properly.

That all simply doesn't matter either since we're talking about omegaverse here. Regular concept of consent just doesn't apply any longer. I can understand if it was your regular story but this ain't it.

Lyle knew Ash would not and could not stop, it doesn't matter if he says no while he's being pinned down, he already signed up for this the moment he didn't run away when given the chance. He can cry about it but it's not Ash's fault but his own.

Yes, yes, right?

Well, the argument of 'that's just how omegaverse is' is really weak since every omegaverse story has their own set of rules. You can not say that I can't talk about consect in omegaverse stories because they dont work by those rules, when there are omegaverse manga's/manhwas that clearly DO.

With that in mind, the author never ones mentioned that those 'ruts' are normal in this world, and the fact that they gave this ultra dangerous rut to Ash, and made Lyle consent to something that he clearly didn't understood at its fullest, still makes the whole scenerio non-con.

Once the person said that they want to stop, or that they are uncomfortable, or when they make a physical attempt to get away, it's not consent.

My analogy for this is like putting up a "wet floor, caution" sign. People think they're good and won't slip so they just walk on. But then they slip and get hurt. So whose fault is it? The person who mopped the floor and left the sign, or the guy who walked anyway and got hurt?

Ash didn't consent to hurting his lover either so I guess neither of them consent to this smut. Oh well, rape all around

Ash didn't consent to hurting lyle either so I guess neither of them consented to these recent smuts. Rape all around

That was me being sarcastic but you can see why when you apply normal consent logic it gets messed up.

I mean yeah, but I haven’t seen anyone say that it’s NOT noncon sooo,,?
I think you’re just expecting too much from a fictional story that has a 50/50 chance of a plot line like this again, you can always stop reading. Or you could fly to Korea and slap the author and tell her to change the story ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Here’s my analogy, if I agree to have sex with someone and halfway through they restrain me and continue without my consent, then it’s no longer sex, it’s rape. There is no comparing the horror of being raped to anything, especially if you’re comparing it to something as fucking stupid as a wet floor sign. Rapists aren’t a puddle on the floor that you can easily avoid, they are people planning out how they want to hurt you.

You’re right, this is fictional. Which means I CAN expect anything, if the author wanted to he make anything happen! So it’s a disgusting letdown when the author chooses to do this with such a good series.

The difference here is that Lyle should know what it entails. I mean he's an alpha himself. I honestly sympathise but it's really entirely on him. It's like going in knowing endless rough sex is going to happen and then pikachu face when it does. You can't have it both ways.

What kind of half baked excuse is that? Lyle has never been rough with any of his previous sexual partners, as stated throughout the series, so why WOULD he expect Ash to act like this?

What are yo even talking about? Knowing and CONSENTING to endless rogh sex and then not CONSENTING is making the whole situation RAPE. If you think that giving consent before and then taking back your consent is making it "have both ways," that's just... wow.

I literally can't, lol

That analogy of yours is truly... something. I'm more surprised by how you wrote this whole thing and didn't one's think "that's not right..."

I know that I'm kind of late to this conversation but I just want you all to know that Ash took suppressants for over a decade.This means that he did not have sex with anyone during his rut period for that decade.This is his first time having his rut for over ten years. So the other alphas in rut that you are mentioning probably would have an easier time dealing with their rut as they didn't take suppressants for so long. Additionally chances are the alphas who you are talking about were with an omega at the time of their rut. In omegaverse Alphas and Omegas secrete an increased amount of pheromones nearing or when in rut/heat. Generally since the alpha's and omega's pheromones are compatible,the rut/heat will not last for an extended period of time.

In the DTR novel a character called Hazel (Ash's ex) says that Ash's rut would be easier and be more frequent if Karlyle was an omega. But since Karlyle is an alpha he does not have those abilities. Also in the novel about 2 or 3 volumes later Ash goes into rut again,but this time Karlyle is in rut with him. We see that Ash appears to be more conscious of his actions instead of in a rut induced haze. He is more caring and loving instead of being rough. Ash acts differently as he already experienced his initial rut (the one he is having now). So technically speaking Ash's rut is not always this rough,but after he held it in for 10 years this is what the outcome is.

I guess what I mean to say is that It would have been harder for Ash to hold back since this is his first rut in a long time.Although I am not trying to make excuses for his behavior this is my personal analogy of why I think Ash should not be compared to the other alphas in Omega verse. The information used here is what I have acquired from over two years in the Omegaverse and DTR community. Some of the information is bound to be wrong so my apologies in advance. I hope this information will be of use to you.

Also I'm sorry if I offend you or sound rude.

You’re not coming off as rude at all, you made several good points that help redeem the character without excusing his actions. The overall tone in your comment is unbiased, I appreciate you taking your time to gather this info and share it with us.

You're welcome