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╮(￣▽￣)╭ yeah thats pretty much the perfect summary

oh and Karino understanding that the other guy was cunning....well I think assholes understand assholes,it's called asshole radar XDXDXD

haha true. good obervation.

LOL Assdar?

Lol

yes,they simply know each other. Like Kuze knew about Karino and vice versa. It's their Assdar XD lol

and I need one as well XDXD

Yep, it has an anime version now!

yep,azusa was right,karino has some father complex I guess

Tatsumi--that's his name! Thanks. I could not think of it. But I thought he was Karino's cousin. Is he a half-brother? Tell me more. I've been dying for people to talk about the raws.

From what I understood Tatsumi told Karino to stay away from Azusa cuz it could damage his image and future. Karino goes on talking about their father and tatsumi's duty to keep an eye on him. Tatsumi's job is to assure that Karino will have a bright future also that's the condition from his father to help him financially. If he keep an eye on Karino he will be rewarded. Also Tatsumi doesn't want Karino to call him brother inside the school because he’s an illegitimate child. Karino decides to take part in the caste game and to have fun,while calling tatsumi boring. Lol that's thr only part I cared about XDXD

Damn. That's good stuff. I wonder why Tatsumi came to the point where he takes Azusa to Karino's home? I care more about Azusa, but I think I like Tatsumi better than the short bratty kid with the big friend who does things in the background. Tatsumi seems to have a voluntary dark side.

As soon as I have little time l'll try and translatr the other part. I believe Tatsumi simply wanted to show Azusa where he stands,to make it clear that they have no future. So sad. Karino can't go against his family,his future has been decided since he was born. Damn,why not give up from politics and became sth like an entrepreneur,you have privacy that way and can stay with whoever you want. Karino will never stay with azusa publicly,in the end if it goes on this way azusa will simply become his "side girl" so sad...

I hopeI'm wright,ogawa chise is brilliant! So,Tatsumi and that guy were in a clandestine relationship,an excellent student could never publicly be with a poor student,so tatsumi decides to take part in the caste game cuz he considers it his last possibilty to be with this guy (after school they can't be together because of social norms) so they both take the aces and become outsiders from the ranking game=freedom. In other words,this caste game can also make you free from the real caste/society. I really really like Tatsumi,Karino just wants to recreate the real caste game with azusa (like it would be in real life) but tatsumi just wants to be with the one he loves freely,even if it is temporarly. Sooo good!! *-* best manga ever

Yes. Originally Tatsumi had a 8, which made him a prep (I think). And I believe (though I am not sure) the papers everyone was looking at were exam results. I got the impression from the picture that Tatsumi was at the top of the class (and this would also support the idea that Tatsumi helps Karino get good marks). It also suggests to me that at least some of the students have an inside track on who gets which cartds--Tatsumi got a prep card and he was Karino's prep. It also looks like Tatsumi was able to get information on where he could get an ace card when he wanted an ace. I think that even when Tatsumi didn't play, Tatsumi was never in danger of being at the target--someone would have given him an 8 all things being equal. By playing, Tatsumi chooses which card he wants to obtain and takes (nasty) action to get it. This suggests there may be a game behind the game (but I need to see the English translations to understand).

This is like the F*cked up Breakfast Club, and Tatsumi is bonding for reals with the thug. :)

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lol the gif,hahaha the first one is just so good XDXD
yes,from what I got,Tatsumi never really played the game,he simply wanted to stay away from it and maintain his reputation. The same goes for Karino,he just got bored and changed his mind. Tatsumi is a year older,so they have different caste classes. Tatsumi is the best student,and when Karino says "you're boring" because tatsumi thinks that his rank is more than enough and doesn't want to create problems, he gets irritated thinking sth like "for you this is boring but other people have to work hard to get a degree and enter a good university,while your path is already paved" so yeah,karino is an a** to everyone lol Now that I remember it, Karino goes on and says that Azusa will make a good plaything and tatsumi at first doesn't understand what he means,so maybe that's why he shows azusa that for Karino it's all a game.
Anyway,like you said I can't wait for the english translation *_*

Can I again say thank you to you guys? Seriously, thank you. Seen the raws, waiting for the English scanlation but your convo helped me in understanding what is happening.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Aces could mean freedom from the whole caste system or for just that particular game? When I mean system, they wouldn't ever get involved with the game, ever, as in until they graduate from school. Or is it just an immunity for 1 round of the game? Because if it means immunity for the duration of your school life, Azusa needs that.

I find such discussions help me too. :)

The delinquent role is given by game--but I think there is evidence that some people get roles that suit them (or take cards they want). I don't think it is exactly "freedom" so much as they play the role of outsiders. It may result in more freedom, but it is still a role.

Oh wow,thank you too! ^-^ let's say I love this manga too much,it's just so good *-*

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the ace are the delinquents,outside of the ranks.
Remember, Azusa said that Tatsumi was a fake delinquent when he met him outside the school.

The first hierarchy chart was rather confusing for me because I thought these "delinquents" and "mysterious guys" are just very cool guys who are too cool for the caste game. But when I saw the chart from 10.5, that was the only time I realized that they have to find a card too (aces and twos).

On 2nd thought, Azusa doesn't want to be anything else other than a king so he probably wouldn't want an ace or two. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

lol yeah,it's all or nothing. I believe considering his real life outside school,just for once,he wants to be someone. *and here my poor feeling crush again* lol

Have hope

I'm traumatized by ch8. I don't know what to think anymore. Karino sharing Azusa means he doesn't really care about him but he uses the game to bully and protect him. No one is allowed to speak to him or to hurt him. The question is does he love him or not ? I think less than a lover but more than a plaything.

I'm pretty sure Karino does love him, he has loose screws on his brain and for a fact he is physiologically sick on his mind so he's showing it in a way that a normal person wouldn't find correct. Some people are incapable of showing a normal type of "love" when they express it they do it in a way that just sick or twisted. Theirs been cases of people who cut up of their wives/husbands or just their partner in pieces, in small little pieces and kept their dismembered body in their house frozen, ETC. If people ask them why did they do it. Their reasoning is "love", they "loved" their partner so much that they had no other choice to do it. I am not saying their going to end up like these people, but i am pretty sure if they do end up together "their happy ending" isn't going to be normal. Karino protects him from bullying, the creepy teacher, even hates it when someone else pays attention to his "property", so in turn he expresses his love by constantly forcing him to sex." For his bright idea of "sharing" azusa, he most likely did it because 1. the other dude has a week personality so he was easy to use, and most likely wouldn't get addicted to azusa body and 2. he and his sidekick had to find a way to make sure that they both stay away from each and never become friends. Karino is a sadist who expresses love through pain, i don't remember what chapter it was but karino has a delighted face because azusa isn't easy to control. He likes a guy with attitude<3

PS. I honesty do believe that he does love him, just that he is unable to show love in it's norm.

Yes he's a sadist who wants to control him and he's delighted to see Azusa's struggled face but he doesn't like to see him hurt physically. Karino likes his wilde nature he found a great toy who entertains him.

In fact I think we have the evidence that Karino loves Azusa in chap9 p34 when Atsumu thinks Karino has not the choice to bully Azusa because it's the king's duty but Kuze said no it's because Karino can't hold his emotions. So being a sadist is his way of loving.

Okay so anon do you agree with me or disagree with me because i do not understand you? I did say say he a sadist who expresses his love in a different way. Not every "love' is expressed by happiness, warm love, and fluffiness.

I don't know about anon, but I partially agree with you; however, I need something more. While I do believe love can be expressed in many different ways, after chapter 8 I need to see something to convince me it is love (albeit a twisted love) and not merely a question of playing with a toy. I don't know what that something would look like, but it has to show a deeper connection or emotion on Karino's part. Nothing fluffy and sweet (because that would really disappoint me, TBH), but something more than what we have seen. Maybe I need to see the sadist bleed a little too for this love (not literally). I want...something.

Chapter 8 stopped being about exclusiveness between both guys. So your doubt came from this moment in the manga? I am going to also partially agree with you. I do would love most than just want i've seen, i want him to suffer a bit, but i don't want a clear cut confession but something more (twisted) to show his love. <I'm into twisted romance>
The thing is with me is that i automatically didn't see chapter 8 as a big thing that most people seam to have taken it. Mostly because the person they decided to "use' to rape azusa was someone with the weakest personality. If karino truly didn't love him and wouldn't mind someone raping him than he wouldn't have chosen the bunny but instead a wolf, or his partner in crime to show his dominance over the toy. But they pick a bunny who could be broken. I took it as a scene where both seme's decided to break the guy apart (not azusa).
Also since he is twisted he probably doesn't see the whole exclusiveness as being something to show your love, he most likely doesn't care about exclusiveness and hs love is expressed differently.

Same here! I believe Karino doesn't know or understand what he feels and it seems like they stopped developing their feelings after chap4. It was as if azusa woke up from what he thought could change him and his life,while Karino simply went back to his sadistic ways. That teacher must do sth to start the things from were they were left in chap 4

Yes,it's not about who fu**s azusa but who owns him. I agree Karino feels sth and he lost his cool which considering his personality is weird. But still more development is needed cuz they both don't know what they feel.

Exclusiveness is not the only way to show love, but I need a bit more than ownership. I'll agree with you about twisted love (I find that interesting too). I guess for me, if possessiveness is not what indicates love in this particular relationship, then what is? Karino rejects Azusa when Asuza comes to Karino's house and says this is a way to pass time until graduation. How does mere ownership and control show us it is more than that? Right now I feel like for Karino it could be either and interesting way to pass time or a twisted love. I am not sure which it is yet. I am team twisted love, don't get me wrong, but I am not sure Karino is there with me.

Yee, i honesty do believe that karino needs to figure out his feelings, but he does love (in a twisted way) him but he doesn't know himself what exactly it is or the name of such emotions but the readers (some) know that he is in love. :3
I love azusa he is my favorite uke, so i do want to want see more development, his feelings are hard to figure out, i have no idea what is thinking half of the time, the only think i know of him is that he wants revenge...

Azusa is my fav too. It's funny, but I think Azusa's "revenge" is proof that Azusa has feelings for Karino (even if I doubt Karino's feelings). I think the revenge is all about Azusa not wanting Karino to be able to just walk away after graduation and go one with Karino's life. Azusa is willing to destroy his own future to ensure Karino can't just leave like that. Twisted love, no?

Karino keeps provoking Azusa, he wants him to stricke back if not he's bored

Damn there's a whole analysis and debate going on here! This manga is amazing full stop. But guys remember that they are only like sixteen or something around that age. At that age I don't think kids really understand their feelings. I know I didn't at that age. I just wanted to have fun and fuck abou and pretend to be in love . p

and this https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cc9VdA5W0AAv7Jn.jpg
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argh! this is too much lol