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Came back after rereading this a second time in a while and honestly, I quite like this story. It's definitely not for everyone but I don't think it's anything all that different from something like Game of Thrones.

The incest was treated for what it was, I don't think anyone normal (that being the parties involved and the Fox) actually thought that it was something to be considered alright. I really do think if the psychological tag was added, the story would be treated for what it is, especially with the existence of the 'sequel'. I loved learning about the characters, especially Sana and the Fox.

I never felt like the incest was romanticized so I didn't mind it being used to show how emotionally depraved Sana was, it showed that she not only craved feeling loved from anybody, but that she was willing to do that in the first place due to how far she was pushed.

It could have been anybody, it just happened to be the only person who gave it to her in that moment, her own family. She threw away her morals and in that moment, she probably accepted she was no longer human anyways. It's meant to be disturbing.

Maybe its just me but just because the incest was included doesn't mean it can't be used as an interesting narrative device to explore a characters mental state. It's mainly what I see people complain about when it comes to the story, which if fine if you don't like it but I thought it served it's purpose well while reading.

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Why didn't I just go to bed after rereading this juicy chapter for the night, these comments,,,,

I really don't see how Ash can be seen as pushy when looking at things from his perspective. He knows of Lyle's self-esteem issues, it's what caused the whole 'break-up' but I feel like it's not unusual for someone your in a committed relationship to want to trust them?

He's expressed his feelings on quite literally everything Lyle has had doubts about and, from what I can see, trusts that he would trust Ash to mean what he's saying. We're seeing things from Lyle's point of view, so it's understandable that we know he still really struggles with these things and likely won't speak up.

But what is Ash to do when Lyle says he understands, accepts and goes along with his wishes without, in most cases, ever saying his real thoughts? He was mad for a reason during the Ex arc, he trusted Lyle to not run from confrontation and he practically did just that (of course, WE saw he was going back, but how could Ash ever know that?). Lyle has agency, his personal issues that he's slowly learning to overcome do not rob him of that. I would not doubt Ash wouldn't hesitate to drop the Dom act if Lyle started voicing his self-depricating thoughts.

Relationships are a two-way street, trust goes both ways. He's trusting that Lyle will use the safe word if he's feeling uncomfortable in any way and he explained this is his way to 'punish' Lyle for going back on his promise to be open and honest. Is it the best way to communicate, probably not, but Lyle could have communicated that it was a serious issue he rather speak of elsewhere/in a serious setting. I don't doubt Ash thought this was a fun, low-stress environment (Lyle said he was fine with the rough treatment during the Rut period as well, he's well aware how mean Ash can be).

Maybe my expectations have been skewed cause webtoon BL antics, but so far Ash has been as green flag as a man can be in his situation. He can only do so much with a partner like Lyle other than trust his word at this point. In fact the only times he's been knowingly rough with Lyle was during his rut (Lyle had ample warning, multiple outs given and despite the knotting, which I consider his biggest offense, he immediately apologized and understood if Lyle didn't want to be with him because of it. He even owned up to his behavior, but Lyle said he didn't mind it so :/) and this roleplay occasion, but he's given Lyle the rundown, is explaining what his intentions are even now despite telling Lyle no questions. He saw he was genuinely confused and wanted to know when the play would end, so he knows the out conditions once more.

Really,,despite being a little childish in this occasion, he's not being pushy in my opinion and is even still being as accommodating as he can within the play,,,,

Anyways, enough 2am posting for me.

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Some people following this story even before the side stories came out have sub-zero media literacy. I get that this being an omegaverse with the central conflict mainly being communication issues, yet not having some of the pitfalls of what the genre usually brings, has had some people coming in with a certain mindset.

But I even reread the whole thing and I have to say, Ash has been nothing but upfront, honest and completely transparent with Lyle from the jump. Even during his rut and in the side stories, Ash clearly outlined what's going to happen and even forms an out (ie, a safe word and, even during the rut in which he said he wouldn't be able to stop himself, checked in with Lyle and asked if he seriously wanted to stop and even gave him a moment to rest when he got overwhelmed/embarrassed). If anything, it's always been consistently Lyle that causes the issue stemming from the lack of communication, which isn't bad but Ash is rather patient and understanding which gives Lyle the opportunity to overcome his communication issues.

The side story is just a little fun since, honestly, Ash probably thinks it's not a huge issue since Lyle isn't reacting badly (like with the whole ex thing that happened not even a couple ep ago) but rather just slightly distant and shy, so he's using the opportunity to have a little fun while figuring out what he could be hiding. Just a little role play, all consensual. Tired of some of yall treating Lyle like he's a child, he's a grown ass man going into this of his own will.

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I remember reading this before but completely forgot why I dropped it or what even happens.

Honestly after reading everything up to the latest chapter, I'm a little conflicted. Usually I drop rape stuff since it's been done so many times it's boring to read. But after thinking why I didn't hate it, I think its probably the setting that's saving this for me.

Its a really brutal setting that actually makes it seem as if the world is on the brink of collapse, so the actions and thoughts that the characters take seems 'believable' in the sense that it really does feel as if they have nothing more to loose. They can act nice all they want (like how that kitty dude wants to act) but in the end, they all think they're walking closer and closer to a death that's been forced upon them.

If the setting ended there, I would have felt it was alright; especially if the narrative/characters actually fully encompassed this hopeless feeling. Obviously I'm not trying to defend it, I would just have preferred if the story acknowledged the actions these characters are taking and give them more depth accordingly.

But what irks me the most is that it's probably going to end in a 'hopeful' way, where they find love in one another. I also would be fine with this if it's treated as what it is, a disgusting desperate affection that's derived from a feeling of hatred, listlessness and desperation. But again, I have a feeling it won't end up that way. （￣へ￣）

Would the series have been saved if it was fully a psychological tragedy? Ahh maybe it's just not for me; I just wish the tragedy aspect stayed until the end to make it worth it.

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What's with people (that one dude lets be honest) hellbent on trying to pin all the blame onto Maxi?

Yes she's underqualified, but what choice did they have? If things had gone in an ideal manner, Riftan would have had Maxi go through some serious training before they went on their expedition instead of wasting time trying to find another mage. It was better to have someone who might have been a liability than to be without a mage entirely, they literally spell it out in the story.

So far Maxi actually hasn't done anything to hinder anyone. They never slowed down for her, no one was distracted tending to her needs. If anything, it's been shown she's being pushed to her limits but Riftan is still keeping to schedule and going about the expedition in the way he would have if she weren't there. The only difference is that she has people guarding her, but even then that hadn't caused issues so far.

You can criticize her for the way she keeps hesitating and falling back on her meek, self hating thoughts but that's her personality flaw. She needs to gain confidence, and so far, she hasn't actually complained much to anyone but to herself. I think she's done a good job of pushing through it despite her hesitations on how far she can push herself. And if anything, both her and Riftan need to focus on the task at hand and forget about their relationship drama, but that's literally the point of the story so,,,

Sorry I just found it annoying when I scrolled down to the comments to see people ignoring the nuances of both sides of the argument.