"just because a person is bad, doesn't mean they're also a bad lover." - lewellyn
i meant, where's the wrong? bad person doesn't always mean they would treat you bad if they become your lover. the way a person treat another people is based on their personal experiences and judgements. but if your lover is bad, then that's certain he's a bad person. like shevon's friend said, everyone has a bad side; the only difference is whether they're bad to you, or not
ps; lewellyn is clearly not a bad lover. he's always asking consent before he touches shevon. i find it cute( ≧Д≦)
Wise words
so this is my personal take but maybe the jinx is not really real, things that happened with haegyeong's past flings and exes were just coincidences after all. remember when his glasses ex kissed his ex fiancee and haegyeong saw them? he clearly cheated on haegyeong since long time ago, but only get caught not long after they both kissed while making love. and ever since before that, he didn't know what kind of people he met. maybe he was really unlucky and keep getting shit partners?
it ended up with haegyeong feels like all his failed relationship has a correlation with woojin, thus he jinxed it. and woojin who's still like him over the years couldn't let go of his first love misunderstood that haegyeong tried to cut their ties one-sidedly
about woojin, i saw people commenting that it's his mistake haegyeong ended up like this and while it's okay to dislike his character, rather than addressing that it's his fault for not stand up for haegyeong, it's maybe his posessiveness you should hate. great chance that he didn't know what happened with haegyeong and his granpa
i think their relationship won't end up at the bad term if society amongst them didn't despise homosexuality that much. while i don't think the gramp was right for threatening haegyeong's family, his motive is kinda understandable if you look it from another point of view. he was a political figure, and in the past his belated son aka the uncle was getting a backlash just because a photo from his past (man) lover getting leaked. from what we see, haegyeong's family also seems accepting, and the brother been knew there was a thing between his childhood friend and his sibling
ps; actually woojin kinda reminds me of the red head from love or hate, but once when i wrote my opinion there i was getting hate but woojin obviously better than that red head
is it just me or do you guys also getting confused about yibon and their agency ceo because both characters' appearance look like twins??? they both have red eyes and long, semi-wavy black hair so the first time i saw yibon and she explicitly said dojin and her were past lover i got confused??? if they're really the same person then why she called dojin and yuwon oppa? dojin is maybe older than yuwon but how tf she also called yuwon oppa? how does their age order???
i also remember one panel when yuwon had a flashback over his first time meeting dojin in the basement. didn't he walk with their female ceo whose appearance look really similar with yibon???
OMG OMG OMG. never knew it's also uploaded on this site as well. but please kindly read on the lezhin because this series is available there and new chapters are free to be unlocked every other days. i've read it until chapter 53 and i gotta say, it got you hooked if you're into mystery and supernatural. isu, the female lead beside the main character is somehow reminds me of yoseob from 'an uncomfortable truth', the first series written by this author. so you might get the vibe as well
since i don't want to spoil too much, you should just check the story yourself. all i can say is, you won't ever get to stop because it's addicting. one thing that i don't like from this series is the shitty family isu had omg. they should just go to hell ffs
i'm laughing my ass off when scrolling the comment section because y'all really took the word of my mouth lmao. it's probably rare to see people put the blame on characters who's into non-con because what is consent in yaoi books? lol. 'if your body reacts and likes what I'm doing, then you want to do sexual things'
at the same time maetel physically looks like he's a clon from an idol i liked for years. from his eyes to his beauty mark on the face so i find him really gorgeous
ps; maetel needed to get sent to jail though
all characters screams "sus" and i prefer seonghyun to end up alone, being happy on his own
blondie who took interest over bdsm and likes to torture his bed partners clearly not gonna be a good match
the ash wavy guy, is a pushover fuckboy who only wants seonghyun for the sake of his alpha ego
the chef, while he's truly caring and sweet things and so far the better candidate would probably be more toxic than two previous guys because if it turns out that he's not the biological father, then he lied and manipulated seonghyun--maybe to make him symphatize and getting into relationship, ew
last, the businessman guy, idk how he's always having a beef when he met seongyun but bro, if you really like a person then that's not how you behave towards them omg. people gonna defend that he might be a tsundere but alas, the way he talked about omega in front of seonghyun kinda irks me in a way
actually i'm just gonna wait for 10 chapters later if there might development in these guys characters, else bye, i dropped this
I think your idea of the chef is wrong. He does not remember who he slept with that day. Because he can't remember, he thinks he is the father so he wants to take responsibility. So I don't understand what you mean by " if it turns out that he's not the biological father, then he lied and manipulated seonghyun". This was more of a misunderstanding or mistake rather than him lying to be in a relationship with seonghyun.
they’re talking about the raws
Oh!!!! Now that makes sense. Thanks for telling me.
literally tho. i'm on chapter 20 now and still couldn't get hooked to vasya. pushover, and really obsessive it feels terrifying. the kind of treatment he did over yuno were all abuse of power. and to suck it up, yuno got no choice because he only get one life. can't enjoy the story too much because of it, but i somehow kept reading just because i'm curious about yuno. should i continue? is it worth it?
ps; i ship yuno more with chris ╥╥
It’s actually a surprise to me how little people notice this, I have said it a few times in the comments to people talking about how great Vasya is but everyone just overlooks it. Which is on at with the toxic relationships in manga that people ship for whatever.
Vases gets like a hair better in the newest chapters but I still think his and Yoon’s relationship is something that was forced onto Yoon. Even if he thinks he made that decision himself in then end it was a decision made from incidents cause by Vasya.
Also I think Yoon and Chris would be so cute together.
From what we’re seeing currently yuno is getting more room to breath and vasya is acknowledging yunos fears and feeling and i personally think he’s going to put in more effort so from there it rlly depends on you but I like where the story is rn
This is true, but he is still being incredibly inconsiderate. I don’t want to reveal spoilers since the person who started this thread hasn’t gotten to the most recent chapters, but Yuno is still scared of him, that’s not how a relationship should start.
Your completely right there don’t get me wrong. But I just personally ride on the fact this is fictional and that the story is still entertaining to me even if the relationship is still not at a healthy point. Vasya is a red mafia boss so you can’t rlly expect a good relationship In the first place but if someone drops the story bc of that I find it 100% understandable but I still wanna see where this goes
I feel like there’s nothing wrong with reading stories along these lines and with these issues as long as it all stays fictional I completely wouldn’t support a relationship like this irl (sry for the lil rant )
No I actually agree with you. Fiction is fiction, about the only manga’s I fine absolutely despicable are ones that justify rape, though that’s just personal preferences I guess. {I.e Killing Stalking}
In this case, I think what bugs me most is people siding with Vasya as if he did nothing wrong when he very clearly did . I still love the story and am excited to read more, and I really hope we get to see Vasya grow, but not just Vasya… Yuno plays a big part in the toxic relationship by not standing up for himself and just following behind like a lost puppy.
I agree ppl just romanticizing vasya’s actions is concerning and their relationship is FAR from being healthy up to now but I’m happy this didn’t start an agreement. I just put in my opinion and the original commenter has the right to be uncomfortable and drop the story if they want to
I tend not to argue over personal opinions, to each their own, but now the commenter has something’s to think about with our comments at the very least
same goes with you, when i scrolled to comment there were barely people mentioned about how vasya behaved. maybe they overlooked the fact just because he gifted yuno luxury things and tried to show that he has no bad intentions but to me they screams horror. that's not how a relationship started but fictions stay fiction after all. just how people swooning over yahwacheop which is basically a rape story that covered with stunning art╥╥
i was made this comment to found out if maybe another people feel the same with me or not. now i know i am not alone lol
yip, there's nothing wrong in enjoying stories that are morally wrong irl. for me fictions stay fiction, and i personally enjoy killing stalking for some reasons. but idk why i can't get comfortable with this story since the very first chapter. it doesn't like killing stalking which is unhealthy since begin with, but all vasya did just doesn't sit right for me lol
i think from you both converse about this topic, i'm now sure to drop the story and move on with another which makes me symphatize more. thanks for dropping your opinion tho!!
Hae-soo eventually realize that they should stop here. he's clearly still got feelings for Joo-won, he also doesn't want to lose him, but he was in a pinch. it must be so hard for him to decide amongst J or his own mum. before, he didn't want to make it clear because he was afraid of whatever Joo-won might say. then when he thought their relationship might won't have an happy ending, he gave up. after all, what right does Joo-won have to feel jealous when they were not even in an official relationship? when Taku told Hae-soo to use him fully, he offered to stop. yet Taku said he loves him, and Hae-soo didn't believe it. cause when you've never been being loved right, you'd doubt everything others said to you. you got trust issue and couldn't help but kept asking questions to people who might loves you. Hae-soo put up a barricade so that he wouldn't get hurt. he's been emotionally abused but he didn't realize. that's why he never tried to give his heart to other people except Joo-won. he's scared people would break it just like Joo-won did.
I feel sorry for Hae-soo's mum, I don't get why some readers put her a backlash though imo she's the sorta selfless character in this series. she even gave up on her marriage in order to protect her son. it's not like she hates Joo-won, she's just disgusted at the fact that it was 'Joo-won' (who happened to be his stepson) that Hae-soo likes. some people could go insane to imagine their two sons fucking each other behind them. she knew all along that Hae-soo was into men (so she might not thinking it was Joo-won who allures his son), and she just asked one thing: anyone but him.
also finally a backstory for Taku. I've been with him since day one but his character twist me a bit. he's the hot-and-cold type, or you could say, emotionally unavailable. he scared crossing a certain line when it comes to relationship, because the closer he gets to someone, they become more mysterious to him. being with people like this sure hard. in one way, they're so straightforward and open about what they feel. but in the other hand, they felt like build a transparent wall and won't let you in. he always said and did anything that his previous partner might want to hear/get. but when it comes to emotional attachment, he failed to do so. that's why his ex said he felt lonely eventhough they were dating. people like this made you keep wondering whether they liked them for sure, or just putting up an act. but I feel he developed a serious feeling (different from what he felt to his ex) towards Hae-soo disregarding how they first started.
I keep forward for the next chapter and let all of the cliffhanger explained.
I didn't dislike him at all, the fact I'm trying to not be biased to any characters at all. that's why I don't ship Hae-soo with anyone and he should be left alone. still, I can't change my opinion towards Joo-won. some of you guys thought he's the victim yet I thought he's not. it didn't make Hae-soo's a saint that they messed their relationship, he also participated in their toxic game. yet Joo-won who's the one who started it all. he made a game, drew a line between their relationship but crossed that very line he drewn himself. he hanged their relationship, but doesn't like the idea of Hae-soo seeing some other man. I know some of you would defend him, thought he did it for Hae-soo's sake, so his stepbrother won't get hurt, but his way is wrong. Joo-won's savior complex led them to their current situation. he told Hae-soo he wanted to be an actor and didn't want his dad know about them so they didn't get separated, and I know it's a lie. but why he should lie in the first place? so he could protect him? no, the fact, it only hurt Hae-soo. if you were Hae-soo, and your loved ones saying you should stop seeing each other for their own good, what'd you say? shouldn't you two fight for your relationship, seeking for the better solution together? he made the rules without even asking what Hae-soo felt. Hae-soo never said he was agreed to that kind of tie. Hae-soo just went along without complaining. he's never been nosy about whoever Joo-won dated, but Joo-won kept asking because he wanted to find out that the person Hae-soo dated wasn't better than him. he wanted to know how long their relationship last, and how much Hae-soo liked him--cause deep down, he scared to lose him. he thought he can control things, but then when he's in the verge of losing Hae-soo, he filled with rage. "it's the first time I saw you like this", he said when Hae-soo lied about his feelings for Taku. Joo-won really needs something to knock off his pride cause it'd be much easier if he admitted his true feeling, thus everything's settled. but he still don't do that, I'm so done. Hae-soo worried him, he worried about their rls; yet Joo-won keep taking advantage of that kinda weakness. he cares, but he doesn't want to admit.
you guys should know it's not a matter of who did wrong and who's the victim. this manhwa is portraying people who being tied in toxic relationship and people like Hae-soo who can't get out of himself from that devil chain. and I think it's a very brave step of Hae-soo to said stop and we should respect that. it happens everyday, dude. we just ignored it, just how people still defend Joo-won for any sakes.
there's plenty i want to write about the series;
-this story has a neat story-telling as it keeps changing point of view from third person to either lewellyn and also shavonne, but it doesn't confuse or makes you bored because the pace is enjoyable. it's thrilling!
-the characters are really unique. i think it's my first time finding a serial killer with such strange obsession to fucking onions? and what's about his speech? don't you think sometimes lewellyn could get too sarcastic even if he's always right? it feels like he lacks symphaty in his choice of words--we still don't know whether he didn't get proper education or it's just the way he is, but he's clearly not stupid plus he seems to know hanakotoba so well (when he wants to gifting shavonne a thing)
-although they made a conversation about the serial murder that happened in their neighborhood, tbh i kinda have doubt if lewellyn is the real suspect. he's very suspicious, but what's his motive if he was indeed the killer? what's his actual job truthfully? before they both being acquintances, what he did was only peeling onions all day. from where he got the money omg
-and those letters, too. yeah, shavonne's ex has been caught red handed as the stalker, but later when shavonne acknowledges mr newell is in fact lewellyn since begin with, doesn't it mean lewellyn was basically bribing him because shavonne basically penniless. and shavonne, who's afraid of being lonely, has come to accepting lewellyn's feeling because he just doesn't want to end up alone. but what if those flirty notes were sent by lewellyn? (note that i'm still on 27th chapter so maybe these questions would have answer in next chaps)
-anyway that one panel where lewellyn being captured in a prison, is that a dream or reality? why shavon being the prison ward??? or is that supposed to be their past???
regarding ur last point, this is the flashback/Llewelyn's first encounter with Shavonne and I think Shavonne was a prison ward because being a writer wasn't making enough money for him, not too sure tho
i've finished reading til the last chapter that's available on lezhin and ya, my question has clear answer that it's their flashback. shavonne was a prison ward in the institution that kept 'prisoner' like lewellyn. the setting was back to eight years ago when shavonne first kicked out and being a homeless person for the first time!