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Where was the rape

I didn't read any further than chpt 2, so I'm not sure beyond that BUT Ichi is coerced into using the sex toys which he obviously doesn't want and then when Kei touches him he very clearly says not to. Despite that Kei forces himself on and into Ichi who is making it clear throughout the scene that he doesn't want this to happen. He even says after it "you are a horrible person" to Kei. It is very clearly rape

Maybe if you read the entire thing you'd understand. :)
Maybe you don't read a lot of smut scenes or have never read any but lots of ukes say "no" during sex. It feels weird to be touched in places you've never been touched before but after the weird sensation goes away it turns into pleasure. So if youre gonna assume that a scene as small as that is rape don't bother reading smut. You might as well spam comment this on every smut manga/manhwa.
Yes it's also something that happens irl so you might as well call every virgin losing their virginity for the first time rape.

I have read multiple works with smut so we can exclude that as causing the difference in our opinions. I also made sure to read the rest of it so I can be confident in the reply I'm offering.
As you said, uke's saying "no" during sex initially and then giving way to pleasure is a very common trope in manga/manwha so I agree with you there. However, in this scene even though Ichi is making sounds of pleasure, it doesn't disregard the fact that he specifically said "I'm scared" "no" "I want him to get off"(said in his mind). Kei also doesn't even consider consent, he simply shoves himself into Ichi and says to bear with him a moment, which makes it clear he hasn't thought about Ichi at all, he just wants to use him to cum. I didn't see anything in the work that would oppose a rape tag, and even if Ichi's feelings about the even change as their relationship progresses, it doesn't change the fact that in that moment he was taken advantage of against his will.
This isn't a comment on the larger issue of rape within yaoi manga/mahwa, I'm simply stating that a rape tag on this manga would be appropriate for people who are sensitive to these events and don't enjoy reading them. If it had have been there I wouldn't have read it and we wouldn't need to have this conversation.
Sorry for the essay!!

Again, not exactly a trope if it also happens irl. Shoichi is used to that kind of thing because he sleeps with different men or even the same men every weekend. After meeting Kei he slept with Kei and it was revealed he was straight so Shoichi got mad and distanced himself. A few days after Kei appeared at the daycare turning out to be Hiroto's uncle, noticed Shoichi despite not in his wig and confronted him. Shoichi didnt want anything to do with Kei though so after Shoichi said that he didnt want Kei to go around revealing that Shoichi is Ichi at night Kei blackmailed him into sleeping with him once. So with that blackmail offer he wanted to try toys, as clearly seen they're toys Shoichi has never tried before. So it's a normal reaction to be scared when trying something new. Especially when that something new is having a toy up your ass and hitting weird spots, that weird sensation comes into play.
If it was so rape as you want to think don't you think the Shoichi wouldve put more power into avoiding him afterwards? He was just "raped". Near the end of their story he had the willpower to avoid him when he thought Kei was just playing around. Why would Kei, go from a character who has a cute-always scared nephew, a brother who is happily married, always in a I'd say happy mood, filled with positivity go to a character that rapes. Ngl this comment personally annoyed me because I read manga/manhwa on this website and it's mostly just gonna be the same cliche where the uke gives some sort of small consent but it's still labelled as rape because when looking at the bigger picture it is. This manga is one of the few out of many that can have or prove that there doesnt need to be rape to make a plot. But then you think it's rape and it just personally annoyed me. Do people WANT these stories to have rape or not. We cant accept a decent, cute plot without rape?

Your comment that Ichi would have avoided Kei more if he was raped can, I think, be explained away because the author is trying to write a love story. The relationship wouldn't go ahead if Ichi avoided Kei. The author wants them to fall in love so they chose to make Kei apologise and they both move forward. Irl I don't think that would be the outcome of this story.
Also, I think we see Kei differently. Firstly, Kei having a "cute-always scared nephew, a brother who is happily married" has little impact on whether he himself is a good person. You may say he is positive and happy, but I saw a character who blackmails people into doing things they don't want to do (use these sex toys or I'll tell everyone your secret / Do this or my brother's job and my nephew's life will be ruined) and who used his nephew as a tool to manipulate Ichi into spending time with him. I personally feel that you can't ignore these warning signs just because he is pretty, has a good relationship with his family and there is a happy ending.
There are a number of manga/manhwa out there where there is no rape/coercion at all. They are not common, and this is I think very close to being one of the good ones. I'm simply pointing out that it could be better and personally, I don't want rape in my manga/manhwa. Some people do/don't mind it and that is fine, we all enjoy different things. Perhaps we disagree fundamentally on what constitutes rape - in my mind if someone doesn't consent (verbally or otherwise) of their own will, free of manipulation then it is rape (Ichi wants to sleep with different men and therefore these are not rape)

Reading over chapter 2 as the chapter you say is rape because I'm still not sure whether you want to see rape or you strongly believe that because someone says "no" during pleasure it's rape.
Chapter 2 page 3:
Kei:Tell me. How'd it feel?
Shoichi:"How"? I'm not doing anything and it just moves...moves inside
Shoichi:I wanna stop. I want this out of me...!
Kei:Wait. Let's try it a little longer.
Shoichi:I...I can't. No! I want it out!
Kei:You're fine. Don't touch it.
This looks extremely plain without the photos and the sfx but I'm looking at this page while replying because according to your comments this is the page you think is rape.
Unless you're trying to say Shoichi raped himself with a toy or Shoichi was raped for five seconds then I'm not sure where the rape was which leads back to the first thing I said while typing this.
Due to Kei blackmailing Shoichi that night does for a fact turn into sexual harassment but again, no rape.



I also just read over the manga for fun cause I couldn't resist. ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
But immediately as chapter 3 started and Shoichi rejected Kei's request to start dating, Kei's friend takes Shoichi's side and says, "Wow, I'd blame you for that." Kei responds with, "You would?" Afterwards Kei's friend says, "I don't know what dirt you have on her, but she could definitely sue you for blackmail and sexual harassment." Just as I stated earlier.
The fact that the authour put such a line in there means they could've also added the fact that Shoichi was indeed raped and thus it could've also became a tag without the comment. But it wasn't, it was stated as sexual harassment and blackmail.
I honestly don't check the tags unless the summaries/photos/names are sketchy so I didn't check these tags so I'm not sure if this manga for a fact has the "sexual harassment" tag.
Also I added the facts about Kei's nephew and brother because they do have something to do with his personality. He grew up with his brother and reading the second story his is definitely not a bad person and your surroundings have an impact on how you turn out. If you heard a bunch of profanity while you're younger you'd think while growing up that it's okay to say profanity constantly until someone tells you differently. Kei's nephew is a scaredly-cute of almost everything while young because of his surroundings, his surroundings seems to be a peaceful environment, the fact that Kei has to pick up Hiroto from the daycare in place of his brother being so busy with work means that they end up spending a lot of time together so if Kei was a bad person Hiroto wouldn't have turned out to be like that.

Also I just thought I should say this since reading over these and thinking about it I seem mean asf, I'm sorry if that's the impression you're getting or you may seem offended but like I said earlier it just personally annoyed me and I'm just trying to get my point across so I'm sorry if I seem mean or I'm offending you somehow.

I don't think you sound mean at all, and I hope I don't come across that way either. It's good to chat about these things and understand other people's opinions (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
I didn't mean the scene with the sex toys. I understand Ichi is trying new things and might be a little scared. My rape comment was actually for the very next bit when the sex toy falls out and Kei forcefully penetrates Shoichi's ass with his dick. That is the bit that is rape for me, even though the scene may only last "5 seconds" it doesn't mean it's not rape. So in the scene you could say Shoichi is first sexually assaulted (with the forced use of sex toys) and then raped.
Also, different countries have different terms and understandings of what constitutes rape and sexual assualt/harrassment. I am Australian so for me these terms are very clearly defined and heavily require consent so Kei not asking if it was OK, not looking for consent from Shoichi is clearly rape.
I agree a sexual harassment tag would also be good (I didn't see one either so I don't think there is one) but sexual harassment and rape are different and both need to be tagged. When it comes to tags I believe it is better to be safe then sorry, because a sexual harassment tag may not dissuade one person from reading but may prevent another person from being triggered and reliving past trauma

You're not coming across that way it's nice we've settled that.
Okay your previous comments with the "I'm scared" made me refer back to the toy scene which was where "I'm scared" was used so since you didn't mean that, he didn't forcefully do it, it seems like it done naturally. After all Shoichi went to Kei's house expecting to have sex for the blackmail, he thinks about what Kei could possibly want him to do and when arrived at Kei's house and sat down asked what he needed to do, Kei said to try adult toys, Shoichi's reaction is like "What?! I'm not gonna do some weird sex tape play for you!!" (Not exactly what he said but that's what I got from his reaction) But after that, Shoichi gives consent for after. So that alone confirms that the sex toys weren't rape. I wish I could find something to explain better but immediately after the sex scene/smut scene was completely ignored because Kei asked for them to date but Shoichi got mad because of his trauma thinking Kei's making light of a gay person.
Then you said "different countries have different terms and understandings of what constitutes rape and sexual assault/harassment." This is where you have to realise that the manga artist/mangaka isn't Australian so agreeing to what you said it's gonna be different. Something as small as a smut scene like that isn't defined as rape because Shoichi not only gave consent but didn't care about the situation immediately after. And yes there was definitely consent on chapter 2 page 2, read it over myself to find more info.
Kei:So how about it? Deal?
Shoichi:...?
Then the scene is cut showing afterwards that Shoichi agreed and did as a matter of fact gave consent.
The next page then follows with,
Kei:Are you ready?
Shoichi:...Yeah.
In my own opinion I didn't think any of this manga as rape, but if the mangaka/manga artist did an epilogue or had an interview clearing up the fact that he was indeed raped I would be like, "Ah, so that was rape." I learned something new.
Going back to your first reply, "He even says after it "you are a horrible person" to Kei. It is very clearly rape" Actually, Shoichi didn't say that to Kei because of the smut or anything that happened, he said that because he was...not sure of the right word to use but I'm gonna go with disgusted, he was disgusted that a straight man like Kei could so easily do the stuff he just did to Shoichi for a second time.

Guan Shan is like a stray cat. They hiss at you at first. They don't like to be picked up or locked indoors, they may reject food, & if you pet them too long, they will bite. But they can eventually become semi-tamed with patience if you give them space & interact with them regularly, even if they still hate all other humans.

exactly,, the camping arc was probably my fav bc u saw how wholesome and NOT creepy their rship could b + it was all mo caring for he tian! i feel bad sometimes just reading these chapters tbh? bc mo just looks so uncomfy