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The first normal words he used to form a normal sentence XD

yessss

Dude guess what
ITS BETTER THAN WOLF IN THE HOUSE
Well for me at least lol

Daaaamnnn

Yah me tooo

I know many people who would judge him because they DID grow up in such shitty circumstances. VW.

and thats totally fine.
but there are also ppl saying his problems aren't a big of a deal and thats getting on my nerves.
Even if his problems are for others harmless, they hurt him like hell.
& as i said that isnt a excuse for his behaviour but i still dont hate him (thats also just my opinion xd)

It's an interesting point you make. I personally really hate Jiwook. However, no matter how horrible he is as a person, I agree with you that denying his suffering is not productive. I don't hate his character because I don't think his pain is real. It's because I think the pain he inflicted on his brother was real and not justifiable. Some people argue that it was, and I don't agree. I do, however, agree with three main points: Jiwook's pain is real and it matters, Siwon's pain was real and that also matters, and Jiwook's role in destroying his brother's heart and soul was and is reprehensible. I do not like or dislike people based on what has happened to them. I like or dislike them based on what they do and how they treat others. In addition, in my opinion, the way we treat the people closest to us matters more than how we treat strangers. Jiwook stabbed his innocent brother in the back. That is the worst thing he could have done.

So you don't judge him for having his perfectly caring and loving twin brother raped, bullied and hurt to the point of committing suicide simply because you've also suffered from an inferiority complex? Wow. Ok.

I get what you mean & i can totally understand that you hate him bc his behaviour towards Siwon is real shit
but somehow I still cant hate him.
Thats mostly because I think that Jiwook needs help.
He saw so many people looking down on him that he can't figure out who's being nice to him and who's just making fun of him.
Thats still no excuse for the suffering that Siwon went through but I can't blame Jiwook because he also needs some help and is suffering from all this (or so I think) but he shows that with his shitty behaviour.

No I say that I don't hate him bc I think he has also some urgent problems. I saw that many people think he doesnt have any real problems so maybe my life experiences are the reason why I do have another opinion.
+ I cant judge him bc I think he didnt hurt his brother while he was thinking "oh yeah, my brother is so lovely and caring, lets destroy him"
I think it was more like he saw his brother in another light & that isn't normal.
Haribo even showed us the way Jiwook thought Siwon was looking and talking to him.

I don't agree with Jiwooks actions or anything but I can totally relate to his inferiority complex. Sometimes adults aren't careful with their words and make your sibling seem like the most brilliant person ever and you're just in the shadow. And slowly you start to resent your sibling for taking your spotlight, and its not just in the family, but at school and among your friends, you're constantly compared. After a while you feel like it is indeed their fault and idk like you wish you had no connection to them so you didn't feel so unimportant to those around you. One day I snapped kind of like Jiwook and my sister sat and talked with me she told me she loves me for who am I and we just had a long talk. And for me that was enough i didn't need confirmation from our parents from there I felt liie I had my own pedestal too. Idk it was very freeing after feeling so miserable and warped in my head. Obviously I would never wish harm upon my sister but I totally get Jiwook and all the craziness he feels and the resentment towards his brother, its like he can't help but feel so much hate towards his brother because of his own twisted perception. So again Jiwooks actions are unjustifiable and I don't agree with them, but I can sympathize with him.

Yeah can't disagree there. I have often said that about him, myself. So I would be a hypocrite if I did disagree with you. But I also absolutely stand 100% behind my original comments that Jiwook has suffered but he took it out on the wrong person. The ones who caused him grief were the adults around him, not his brother. If he wants to blame his brother for what he saw as a result of the comparisons made between the two of them, he should be blaming himself for reacting to them the way he did, too. Essentially one standard for himself and another for his brother. THAT is what makes me hate him.

I see where you are coming from. It is important to be understanding and compassionate to people with mental illnesses. It is a disservice to people with mental illnesses to lump Jiwook's calculated behavior with mental illness, though. I have been close to people with mental illness, and I have had temporary mental illness myself. Mental illness can make people lose control and do things in the heat of mental breakdowns that they would not normally do. But mental illness does not make people do calculated things when they are okay. People who lose it and hurt those they love due to mental illness have moments of clarity, where they feel horrible for what they did. It's hell on Earth to come out of a psychotic episode and see what you have done. Jiwook has shown no remorse even in those moments of clarity. He loses his shit, but when he comes back to Earth, he still doesn't regret hurting Siwon. That's why I do not sympathize with his actions. He knows what he has done. He does not care. In fact, he wants to inflict even more harm on his brother.

i don't have a twin but i have a brother one year older than me. being so close in age we are constantly compared and so i've also gone through the same struggles. i honestly love jiwook so much that i just want to hug and protect him. hopefully he get's a happy ending and more people can grow to understand and love him as well.

I'm also hoping that he will get a happy ending with people talking to him about the way he feels. And maybe there will be someone to save him from all those problems

...You LOVE Jiwook?

Except that I have a mental illness. I still know right from wrong. My uncle had schizophrenia and he knew right from wrong. The only reason people with mental illnesses do wrong things is because of the unhealthy ways society has taught them to respond and, yes, that includes men being told to suck it up rather than dealing with their emotions. Mental illness is a mitigating factor because it makes one more SUSCEPTIBLE to such influences in society. So even if he does have a mental illness and was reacting purely as a result of that I would STILL not sympathize with him. Because he also chose to take it out on the wrong person, as well.

I'd actually say the ones who DO dislike Jiwook are the outliers. It's quite common to like characters like Jiwook and to defend them. Ah, well.

im in no position to decide if someone has a mental illness or not, but in my opinion jiwook isnt healthy at all. That isnt a professional analysis nor a announced fact, but its the way i see his actions.
And I also dont want to attack anyone of you guys, but i also dont think, that just bc someone has a mental illness, he can talk for everyone.
It just sounds like you guys are totally knowleged about this just because you also have experienced it but the mind of someone is such a difficult thing that you cant just copy your experiences on everyone. The same goes for me, I can't determime that he has a mental illness.
But this is just a way I explain his actions to myself. The only one who could determine it clearly is either a psychologist or haribo.

No one is saying that because they have a mental illness they can judge Jiwook's actions though? Least of all me...? I'm explaining why it's pointless to determine whether he has a mental illness or is mentally unhealthy before judging him for his actions. So essentially the OPPOSITE of what you're suggesting we're doing. T.

than may i got some things wrong but it wasnt just towards your comment.
welp my english still isnt perf. so im sorry if i misundestood things tho.
Im still standing behind my opinion and at the end of the day everyone should think what they want to, but some people out there should think more before the judge.