NOOT October 11, 2024 1:13 pm

a lot of people are being too hard on eri. most people reading yuri are probably sapphic, and we all know how deeply ingrained compulsory heterosexuality is. at the very least, eri is honest enough to recognize her feelings, a lot of women spend their entire lives in denial. she’s such a nuanced, realistic character, and i think her portrayal is beautifully complex. it’s important to have characters like her because they show how difficult it can be to navigate these feelings in a world that pressures women to conform. it seems like both main characters are lesbians, not just sapphic, which makes their experience even more challenging. our world is so centered around men, and a sexuality that exists completely outside that structure is uncomfortable for many. having these characters allows us to see how messy and painful the journey toward self-acceptance can be, and i really hope eri can live authentically and find the freedom to be herself (๑•ㅂ•)و✧.

additionally, senpai mentioned that she likes both boys and girls, so there’s some bi or pan representation, which is great. but i think this might be part of why she’s a bit disconnected from what eri is going through and a little insensitive. from her dating history, it seems pretty clear to me that eri’s a lesbian, and that truth is harder to come to terms with than being bi or pan (i’m pan myself). being bi or pan means you still have options—you can exist within the societal framework that prioritizes men to some extent. for eri, though, accepting that she’s a lesbian means fully stepping outside of that framework, which is a lot scarier and more isolating. it’s not just about who she’s attracted to, it’s about rejecting the expectations placed on her by a world that centers around men. the stakes feel much higher for her because she has no “safety net” of fitting in with those norms. just my two cents, though.

    Kuku November 13, 2024 9:18 am

    Though i agree with your points, eri still started this relationship with him, and chose fuyuki. Even if she just wanted to fit the norms of being in a heterosexual relationship, they still treated each other wrongly. But I do agree she is just a complex and realistic character, which is why I defend her too. I would say kyou is the most wrong for cheating, and there is absolutely no excuse for that. But before that, we can already see how incompatible and slightly toxic they are towards one another, and how much they hurt each other, involving fuyuki.

    NOOT November 15, 2024 6:16 am
    Though i agree with your points, eri still started this relationship with him, and chose fuyuki. Even if she just wanted to fit the norms of being in a heterosexual relationship, they still treated each other w... Kuku

    Absolutely agree, and there are so many ways to cheat in a relationship. Honestly, I'd even say Eri started the cheating by emotionally investing in Fuyuki over Kyou (emotional cheating is a thing). But at the same time, Kyou went into the relationship knowing Eri would put her connection with Fuyuki first, so is it really cheating if it’s something they both understood and agreed on from the beginning? Hard to say.

    Kuku November 15, 2024 7:15 pm
    Absolutely agree, and there are so many ways to cheat in a relationship. Honestly, I'd even say Eri started the cheating by emotionally investing in Fuyuki over Kyou (emotional cheating is a thing). But at the ... NOOT

    Right!! They both hurt each other. eri mightve acted selfish to kyou due to fuyuki (which i acknowledge that it was her fault), but at the same time, kyou was well aware of how much theyve been through together. So being jealous bc of it and venting out your frustration by cheating on your girl is just not it.

NOOT July 12, 2024 8:12 pm

what the fuck was this, who even thinks of something like this, I kept zooming until the end hoping for some satisfying end, but it just left me with a throbbing head and a tight chest. man.

NOOT July 7, 2024 12:05 pm

from what I gathered, sometimes babygirl is a tall, muscular 20 year old farmer boy ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ I’ve seen both the manga and the kdrama, and they left me wanting more. for me, the concept of loving someone so much that you're able to accept the fact that you'll be a great distance away from them, missing out on time that could be spent together, in order to let them chase their dream, is very special. this series was refreshing and left my heart feeling lighter, it's not just one of my favorites, but my absolute favorite! I hope there's a season 2 of the kdrama, and I recommend everyone check out "with my dear bro," where the cast went on vacation together and we all got to see it, helped me quench my thirst for a season 2 (I lied, please give me a season 2).

NOOT July 6, 2024 9:46 pm

everytime she li appears, one of my blood vessels burst out of pure hatred. I hope someone pops the disks in his spine like bubble wrap.

NOOT July 6, 2024 7:18 pm

I wouldn’t care if she was chomping on somebody’s testicles in front of me, look at her face, she’s just a girl, a hungry girl enjoying her girl dinner, let her eat bro. humans have no compassion.

NOOT July 6, 2024 7:07 pm

wow, we got doomed to fail yuri (poor lynda) and destined to thrive yuri (gfs for eternity!!!) in one sitting (≧∀≦) lucky us.

NOOT July 6, 2024 11:48 am

when Mokwa eventually learns to love Nakwon, it will be because Nakwon confuses him, there's no clear hierarchy in their relationship from Mokwa's perspective, so he struggles to place Nakwon in his life. of course, I disagree with that: Nakwon, being a cop, holds significant leverage in their relationship and has used it to satisfy himself before. due to Nakwon's own selfishness, he's the first person to ease Mokwa’s loneliness by forcing his way into his life. Nakwon is the person Mokwa is experiencing many firsts with, and over time, Mokwa may develop an attachment, a tolerance, that could grow into love. yet, Nakwon could be replaced by anyone, perhaps someone better who didn't hurt him and wasn’t so set on monopolizing him. Nakwon simply got lucky as the first and only person insistent enough to push for more.

    Crispy_Robin July 6, 2024 2:03 pm

    I think the feeling is already there....the fact that nakwon confuses him is already playing a role in mokwa falling for nakwon......also him being really persistent, not giving up and having a lot of self confidence also kinda is playing a role....like because he is not giving up and being persistent is good for mokwa who have abandonment issues.....kinda makes him consciously believe that nakwon won't abandon him

    Crispy_Robin July 6, 2024 2:09 pm

    Also i don't really think that nakwon have a lot of luck.... obviously lucky on the side that he met mokwa but I personally think their characteristics suit each other really well.....getting Mokwa to open up in his situation would be particularly hard unless one kinda have similar characteristics to nakwon but that's not a common characteristics....of course in the past it would have been easier but after that unless it was the big boss I feel like no one would be able to open mokwas heart at all

    NOOT July 6, 2024 6:28 pm
    I think the feeling is already there....the fact that nakwon confuses him is already playing a role in mokwa falling for nakwon......also him being really persistent, not giving up and having a lot of self conf... Crispy_Robin

    I think we’re in agreement! you thoroughly explained some views I also happen to share. what personally bums me out is the reality of their relationship, which is the clear power imbalance between Nakwon (the cop) and Mokwa (the convict), which Nakwon consistently exploits and uses for his own benefit (grape). the truth is, their relationship began with violence and only changed when Nakwon started to fancy Mokwa. but would Nakwon stop being violent if he didn’t fancy him? probably not. as a reader, Nakwon's intentions often feel shallow and driven by lust, though I do see some character development. for instance, he’s reluctantly doing things he dislikes (like the overcrowded Busan trip) for Mokwa's sake. when I said Nakwon is 'lucky,' I meant he's fortunate to be Mokwa's first in so many experiences, even if he achieved it forcibly. Nakwon lacks patience and is self-indulgent, traits that definitely helped him crack Mokwa (with his bare hands, at times). but I can't help but wonder: what if someone else had been first? someone patient enough to let Mokwa open up naturally, rather than pressuring him. it’s saddening to think Mokwa may never experience the patient love he deserves, settling instead for Nakwon's impulsive affection as his only example of romantic intimacy. nakwon was just lucky enough to be the first to get to Mokwa, but there are definitely others with better methods.

    NOOT July 6, 2024 6:45 pm
    Also i don't really think that nakwon have a lot of luck.... obviously lucky on the side that he met mokwa but I personally think their characteristics suit each other really well.....getting Mokwa to open up i... Crispy_Robin

    “I feel like no one would be able to open mokwas heart at all” Nakwon forced his way in and continues to impose his wants on Mokwa through frequent manipulation. I believe Mokwa deserves patience and the selflessness that comes with love. while I definitely do enjoy the story, no complaints from me, just some observations, I see Nakwon not as someone who opens Mokwa’s heart, but as someone who chips away at its defenses until they inevitably crumble.

    Crispy_Robin July 6, 2024 8:35 pm
    I think we’re in agreement! you thoroughly explained some views I also happen to share. what personally bums me out is the reality of their relationship, which is the clear power imbalance between Nakwon (the... NOOT

    I am in no way saying nakwon is not at fault.... honestly speaking the only reason I am actually enjoying the manhua is bcz nakwon is suffering (not much given his really optimistic views and all) bcz of mokwas sense nature and I am enjoying that thoroughly.....of course I also agree that nakwon is like doing everything bcz he fell for nakwon otherwise he is a piece of trash

    Crispy_Robin July 6, 2024 8:49 pm
    “I feel like no one would be able to open mokwas heart at all” Nakwon forced his way in and continues to impose his wants on Mokwa through frequent manipulation. I believe Mokwa deserves patience and the se... NOOT

    I agree that mokwa deserves better....but I personally do believe mokwa needed someone like nakwon to open his heart....I agree someone with more patience would be really helpful but at the same time I think mokwa have a tendency to push people away and also his dense nature doesn't help....like I personally am not a fan of dense MC's .....but bcz of nakwon being shitty at the start I am not hating mokwa's side....but instead of nakwon if it was someone who was selfless and patience from the start and that flower scene happened(like nakwon telling mokwa "I love you" but then mokwa completely disregarding it kinda) I would have been pretty angry.....and Ik some might argue that maybe the reason mokwa acted like that is cause nakwon confuses him and all.....but atleast I personally think mokwa is afraid of human interaction in general while at the same time seek it a lot.....which makes him try to not question other and do things as he is told and so I feel the situation would be same.....like honestly I understand where mokwa is coming from but at the same time i feel like because you are hurting doesn't mean you can hurt others too....so I do think I would personally not like mokwa's denseness.....

    Crispy_Robin July 6, 2024 9:06 pm
    I agree that mokwa deserves better....but I personally do believe mokwa needed someone like nakwon to open his heart....I agree someone with more patience would be really helpful but at the same time I think m... Crispy_Robin

    The last part about mokwa's denseness is just my opinion which is no I think make nakwon the best for mokwa.....but honestly I personally like the contrast between them a lot.....also they remind me a lot of main couple from "the third ending" except seo yeonsool is way better version of nakwon and well I personally do think once mokwa do fall for nakwon he might act like Kang Joon(only having eyes for one person only)

    NOOT July 6, 2024 9:34 pm
    The last part about mokwa's denseness is just my opinion which is no I think make nakwon the best for mokwa.....but honestly I personally like the contrast between them a lot.....also they remind me a lot of ma... Crispy_Robin

    we definitely have different perspectives on the matter, but that’s okay! I appreciate your analysis on their dynamics. but I’m happy to see that we both enjoy the contrast between Nakwon and Mokwa, it’s not exactly a completely new pairing, but it has a complexity that is strangely intriguing (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ I read “the third ending” too!!! loved it, I can see the resemblance between Mokwa and Kang Joon, thank you for enlightening me on that. this was a nice discussion!

    Saymyname July 6, 2024 9:57 pm

    Beautiful comment

    Crispy_Robin July 6, 2024 11:12 pm
    we definitely have different perspectives on the matter, but that’s okay! I appreciate your analysis on their dynamics. but I’m happy to see that we both enjoy the contrast between Nakwon and Mokwa, it’s ... NOOT

    Well different likes, different feelings.....at the end of the day we both like mokwa and the series....so it was nice having the conversation (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ

NOOT July 6, 2024 11:27 am

nakwon to his core, is a naturally selfish and greedy person, but in the end, probably out of his own insistence, he’ll be with mokwa, so I hope he spends his entire life making it up (not the right wording, cause he cant undo what he did in the past by loving him now) to the big bear guy!

NOOT July 5, 2024 4:43 pm

personally, very bored of the second throuple situation or whatever they have going on, and uke resembles a child(?) which just makes me uncomfortable, when will I see the main couple again?

    Luvr July 5, 2024 10:14 pm

    probably never :c

    ryuuh July 6, 2024 5:40 am

    justice for first couple

    NOOT July 6, 2024 11:06 am
    probably never :c Luvr

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