Mika's Topics (224)

Exactly. I find it amusing some of these hypocrites leave these comments her thinkin they are better people for disliking Jinx when they are in an illegal site reading it and is STILL reading it even though they said they "HATE" it. Like, gtfo if you want. You think the author will care for your opinion when you don't even buy their work and spread hate here? Lmao, think again.

Two words, rape culture

tell me ab it

Comparing piracy to rape apologists is crazy...not on the same playing field, my g.

LMAOOO your logic is sending me through the mf roof, I was in need of a good laugh today.

I love it when people shrug off bad stories as by women for women " don't like it, Leave " Girl stfu lol.

Mary (watching an old pirate movie): OMG! That wicked pirate is so handsome! I wish he’d take me prisoner and force me to BLANK him before he rips off my clothes and BLANKS me and then BLANK BLANKETY BLANK BLANK!

John (wide-eyed beside her): You want somebody to forcibly rape you?!

Mary: What? NO! Who would want that?!

John: But you just said—

Mary: Not in real life, silly! I just like imagining a pirate… forcing me… a proper upstanding lady… and I can’t help it, but OMG he’s rough and HOT, and I don’t want him to, but I DO and it feels so good—

John: OK! OK! I get it. It’s some weird sex fantasy.

Mary: It’s NOT weird. You know John… it’s almost Halloween. Let’s go get you a pirate costume!

John: Oh yeah? If I dress up as a pirate, is it ok if I call you my wench?

Mary: No. Call me your SAUCY wench.

I think we might have a misunderstanding... do you see anyone defending rape here? Because I don't!
There is a HEAVY difference between talking about the need for content like this to exist, and about saying that rape is okay. NONE of the people that enjoy this manhwa think rape is good. Nobody is arguing that.
Go search about rape kink and why it exists in the first place. And why some people may need FICTIONAL depictions of it in the form of pornographic media.
I really doubt the possibility of someone(specifically a man) comings across this manhwa, reading the story and going like wow! so that's how romance and consent works and then goes out there and rapes people. Rapists rape people even when they KNOW it has legal consequences for them. A rapist will do it whether it's "normalized" by manhwa! or not.
I also have a hard time believing that the existence of content like this would make people believe that rape is okay. It may or may not alter a young person's view of a toxic relationship but they shouldn't be reading this adult manhwa in the first place and honestly I believe today's younger generation to be a lot smarter and more educated than we were when we were growing up with wattpad, ao3 and twilight :)
Knowing that rape is bad is sort of like basic human decency and no amount of media can or will normalize rape. Ya'll need to actually think about the reasons of things before jumping to lable people as some monsters that defend rape?? :)

I didn't talk about the origin of bl being by women for women to say shrug shit off! If you read my essay here you would see. I used it as a counter argument about normalizing rape or promoting it. It is written by a woman and the readers are mostly women. Women don't do most of the rape in the world yet they are mostly victims of it. Rapist women will not find a gay comic depicting rape inspiring! That's all I'm getting at.
But yeah I am saying don't like it don't read it as I said if you don't like something it was never created to cater to your wants and needs.

Honestly I wonder why I'm trying to argue in the replies with people that just need to angrily judge others and feel better... it is social media at the end of the day. Ya'll probably won't read my comments without bias and calmly think about what's the point of what I'm saying :)

Yes, you are spreading rape apologist ideals and literally saying its okay and normal to enjoy rape. Nobody needs fictional depictions of rape, there is no psychological bases to back that claim. Especially depictions in this graphic and normalizing manner.

The brain cannot differentiate fiction and reality when it comes to abstract concepts like morality.

I reccomend reading the article, "Most of the Mind Can’t Tell Fact from Fiction" by Jim Davies, a world renowned psychology professor who specializes in researching this phenomenon

Here's some studies as well,
Thompson J, Teasdale B, van Emde Boas E, Budelmann F, Duncan S, Maguire L, Dunbar R. Does believing something to be fiction allow a form of moral licencing or a 'fictive pass' in understanding others' actions?
Yanyan Zhou, Tuo Liu, (Harry) Yaojun Yan & Bryant Paul (2021) Pornography Use, Two Forms of Dehumanization, and Sexual Aggression
Palermo AM, Dadgardoust L, Arroyave SC, Vettor S, Harkins L. J. Sex. Aggress.
Romero-Sánchez, M., Carretero-Dios, H., Megías, J. L., Moya, M., & Ford, T. E. (2017). Sexist humor and rape proclivity

The bare bones of the matter is, nobody needs this content. Normalizing it in the context of this webtoon or any for that matter, chips away at your sensitization of sexual violence. Especially as a Yaoi reader, this involves male victims which already lack the support and understanding of the general public

So I did indeed read your little breakdown lol. it still is a nothing burger at heart. I would take your self-righteousness and hand it to someone who can handle it. Can't take it? get off the mf if you ain't gonna duce.

I have, girl ain't nobody finna rock with your comment bc it doesn't make sense. Aint nobody gonna call you a rapist and ain't nobody call you one either. Don't call paw patrol girl smh

OK first I want to thank you for the article recommendations I will definitely check them out. this is an area I lack knowledge in.
Second (TW) I didn't want to talk about this originally and I don't think this would concern you but I feel the need to explain why I believe it is okay to enjoy this type of content.
TW again. Throughout my life from age 11, I have been SA ed. Even though the actual experience have been and will always be horrendous and has left me with heavy ptsd I do feel the need to have rape pornography. I have a rape kink and as a victim I definitely don't need or will feel guilty about having that kink :)
Sexual kinks are not what it seem. Bdsm(unrelated to jinx yet honorably mentioned by me)and CNC both rely on trauma yet they can help people with getting over their trauma. All I'm saying is for me and probably alot of other people there is a reason why they read this and enjoy it. Also the reason the op that started all this drama existed. Which was to comfort people like me who do in fact enjoy this and want to find some peace and like minded people.

Also this is kind of unrelated but because you seem like a reasonable and educated individual I wanted to give a little piece of granny advice.
I live in a country with heaaaaavy censorship and literal morality police! As someone that has dealt with that sort of political and cultural environment I don't recommend you seeking the complete removal of anything be it immoral, disgusting or overall damaging to society. The solution to getting a desensitized society is better parenting.
That sort of mindset(censorship of any kind of media) creates a dictatorship in the long run. I won't get further into that.
And honestly bad things are engraved in humanity and you can never lessen or even prevent them from happening. You may find this nihilistic which kinda is but it's what I came to believe after having my hopes in humanity crushed multiple times.

I only read your first paragraph. Look up what a rape apologist is. And read this. https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14448911/

There are many haters malicious attacks people who enjoy this story and toxic stories. They are insanely staying each chapter attacking people, thinking they are stopping abuse as they are abusive as they are “forcing” themselves to be here an illegal website. They want to harm innocent people. Their hate isn’t natural.
Reading these stories are no different from reading horror stories or murder stories. They are fantasy stories, not real. I am going to have to find some on SA and abuse.
I know many people and it seems many are haters see jinx has rape. If you read the story carefully and correctly it’s is SA and abusive. It does come across as rape but the next part changes it or as a whole changes it. Most that says it is rape provides non-jinx details.
—— research
https://www.healthyplace.com/abuse/rape/rape-fantasy-does-it-mean-you-want-to-be-raped

“Human sexuality experts emphatically state that rape fantasy is not wrong, but healthy and normal.”

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-myths-sex/202003/why-are-rape-fantasies-so-common?amp

“As you can see, forced sex fantasies have a rich psychology behind them and people may have these fantasies for wildly different reasons. In many cases, these fantasies don’t have a deeper meaning beyond someone just having an active imagination, a desire for sexual thrills, or a penchant for domination and submission. However, in other cases, they may have their roots in coping with trauma.”

https://metro.co.uk/2017/11/29/why-do-half-of-women-have-fantasies-about-being-raped-7099630/amp/

“In real-life contexts, rape – meaning sex against your will – is deeply traumatising. It’s not at all ‘sexy’. It’s an intense violation that causes high levels of distress.”

https://medium.com/sexography/can-we-fantasise-about-raping-people-687c1e296dfc


“And it’s incredibly important to note that while rape fantasies are common, this does not mean that women secretly want to be raped. There is a huge difference between acted out role-play, imagined scenarios, and real-life experiences. No one asks to be raped, no one deserves to be raped, and how common forced sex fantasies are in no way justifies unwanted sexual contact of any nature.


After research on the subject, psychologists and sexologists agree today that those fantasies are very common, completely healthy, and reveal a core element in female eroticism.
First of all, there is an important distinction between such fantasies and an actual rape experience. In no way does having the fantasy imply a desire to be raped in real life. Psychologist Michael Castleman, in his article Why Do Women Have Rape Fantasies? on Psychology Today, dismisses as obsolete the view that fantasies always reflect wishes. Therefore, women who have rape fantasies do not actually want to be coerced into sex.”

https://www.nowtolove.com.au/amp/health/sex/why-women-read-erotic-fiction-17262
“ Yet the role played by erotic fiction and fantasy is an important one, says sexologist and director of Sexology Australia, Elaine George. "Erotic fiction, in particular, enables a woman to get carried away with her sense of imagination and imaginary play," she says.

"That imaginary play can be with a lover. It can be with multiple lovers. And it can be inventing a scenario that enables her to become erotically charged.”

She may NEVER want to be with multiple lovers or could be against it in reality.

“ Why do women read erotic fiction?

Distraction and feelings of ease were identified as prime rewards associated with reading erotic novels.”

—- me again.

It’s a fantasy. Not reality. haters would do best to stop confusing the two.

I will block the haters, after mocking them. They need to leave. They are being snowflakes. Or complain about the story stop attacking others and stop trying to make people wrong for enjoying this story.

Ps. I don’t. I think the story is dull. It could be better. But I simp Dan. Team Dan. I don’t find JK hot.

Genuinely, thank you. I feel like women especially dont understand how impactful it can really be. BL and Yaoi was used as a way to escape misogyny and became an outlet for all these horrific things women have to go through but instead of it ending in misery they gave it happy endings as a way to cope. And now its coming to light how this can harm male victims of sexual violence and women do not want to loose the thing they have been relying on for escape. Which is understandable but sadly very damaging. There has now been an environment created that downplays male victims sexual violence and their experiences which is the exact thing women wanted to escape from in the first place. Its sad how something as seemingly small as fiction can have a bigger impact when used for the wrong reasons.

No problem! I'm sorry that happened to you, I'm a victim myself and do a lot of advocacy work IRL. You didn't understand the topic, which is okay. I've researched matters of sexual violence a lot and don't expect it from everybody. While it's important to acknowledge that some people have unique ways of coping with trauma, it's equally important to ensure that discussions or content related to these topics are handled with sensitivity and awareness.

It is crucial to avoid romanticizing narratives involving abuse and assault, where the abuser ultimately expresses remorse and love. The entire point of CNC is that its consensual and the transfer of power is out of trust. While in works like this, its important to keep in mind there is no consent.

You go from enjoying the suspense of true crime to sensationalizing crime when you downplay or excuse their actions. Same can be said here. I can root for Doctor Dan and pray that this new guy treats him well (probably won't but, whatever) without endorsing the rape element of the story. In every context, we should feel upset and discuss how fucked up what's happening is to make sure we're not desensitizing ourselves

Very true, i often see people accusing others of being 'unable to seperate fiction from reality' when they call out content that poorly presents what sexual violence and abuse in general is. Its not a matter of seperating fiction from reality but a matter of acknowledging that fiction and reality very frequently seep into each other and that certain content can have a larger impact on the reality of your own perceptions of sexual violence. Being desensitised is a clear indicator of that and we must always handle these sorts of topics with sensitivity, care, nuance, and awareness as you've said. Not being upset in any shape or form or not understanding why people are upset about what occurs in these sorts of works is not being mature and 'seperating reality from fiction' but an indicator that you actually cant properly seperate reality from fiction as it is impacting your sensitivity to that content and fankly, the ability to empathise with others.

100% agree with you this was great actually thanks for the insight I'm really grateful for this interaction

I love you so much just that

i never see anybody acknowledge that at this point in time it’s just become women making stories about men raping other men as if that’s not so disgusting to see as a gay man but then they have them end up together. i understand the origin of yaoi and even if i still find it kinda weird i still respect those women who found a healthy outlet through fictional stories. but it’s so sickening to see what’s it’s become and see how so many women think about and treat gay men. if i think about it too long i just want to rip my skin off i feel so disgusted. that’s why i’m always angry and complaining about stories like this one bc it’s not just a man creating a rape fantasy story but women getting off to the fantasy of a man raping another man. i just cant express enough how disrespectful and violated it makes me feel. and i still keep hate reading them but that’s my own problem to figure out . it’s at the point where if i find out a bl i really love was written by a woman i still feel gross. and this goes for not just yaoi or bl webtoons but novels, dramas, and movies too. it’s like i just can’t escape it.

So you did not read TMSM post or comment here.

It explains it. It least to me.

Oh you must had read only some of that. Got triggered and didn’t see what TMSM was saying.

can you stop following me around and attacking me please. it’s really fucking weird.

Oh my point was saying that women are harming men here. If they want to crate content like that for each other do it, why must they bring us men into it?

A month I was attacked on here. I am a rape survivor. I left. I hated the story and seme then. I saying I don’t like it now and giving it a second chance.
During this time period, the hate grow on here. My friend, TMSM was told to kill himself twice. In a conversation, TMSM said genuine readers can’t talk and it seems are getting more hesitant to talk. I felt me leaving I let haters win. I decided to come back. I am not a hostile person but I am now return the same behavior to them. Since I been back, I was told to kill myself. I started to be hostile to the haters. Thisislele is a hater. They lied and played victim. TMSM gave them chance after chance. If I remember correctly, this is the second topic I talked to them on. It is very common to talk to many readers on different topics. They were on different topics spreading misinformation on TMSM. That is being a hypocrite and delusional. I am not following them around. I seen their reply and thought if only they read the rest of TMSM topic maybe the whole situation between them and TMSM could had been avoided. They didn’t even read the comments to the post. They want to say willfully ignorant. They are not that special. I have no interest in a loser.

So on the other topic. https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14449597/?page=5
“ rape survivors dont get special treatment when they treat other people like shit. trauma is not an excuse. and i never targeted their trauma anyway so why even bring it up lol”

They care more about characters than real people. They don’t care about rape or real rape survivors.
I was not asking for special treatment. I was treating them about the same as they were treating TMSM and me. My language was different. They could had changed and I did explained my behavior. They are a rape apologist.

After I was told to go kill myself TMSM wrote this to defend me and all the genuine readers. He copied and pasted it here.
https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14448911/
Thisislele writes
“ dont give a fuck, jaekyung is a rapist”
Don’t give a fuck how people are treated * like rape survivors. *
Haters are posers. They don’t really care. They don’t care about rape. They don’t care about real rape survivors.
TMSM instantly blocked. Thisislele mocked the block but TMSM has been justified. “Don’t give a fuck” said so much and it says so much about TMSM that tried to have a civil conversation with the hater afterwards. Haters are haters for hate on real people. TMSM and Torakaze are the knights in shining armor here. They defend this rape survivor from haters and I am defending them.

Yuri.
For right now, on my understanding don’t men do the same thing on women?

I only read page 2. I had last reply selected and felt saddened that a situation could had been avoided if a person read a whole topic or understand the point of the topic.

So I don’t know all the specifics of yours. I will go back and read more. There is so much to read. (⊙…⊙ ) ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

That is true, sadly.

i never said i dont care about rape survivors. how can you say im a rape apologist when i've been arguing against rape this whole fucking time idiot. stop assuming shit about me and fuck off. i never attacked anybody and i dont deserve your bullshit. i didnt give a fuck about their essay and i still dont. that is not an attack, and it is still my opinion that that fucker is a rapist. how is that being a rape apologist. stop making shit up about me to justify your bullying and hatred.

Can you please explain your point

comparing?! I read their comment like 5 times.
And …..

https://www.shatteringthesilence.org/blog/identifying-a-rape-apologist

Rape Apologist” is an umbrella term for someone who for someone who blames survivors (No), has a general disbelief in allegations of assault(No), and participates in the normalization of sexual violence (prove it, many people here don’t ignore it or trivialize the sexual abuse on Dan, some even makes it rape so that’s a No). They can be any person of any gender identity, sexuality, race, ethnicity, or age. While the term make evoke an image of a particular group or type of person, in reality, anyone can be a rape apologist. (Even you synfull). A rape apologist is not just someone who is outwardly aggressive towards survivors who speak out or someone who makes sexually harassing comments, they are also someone who is apathetic or tolerant towards sexual violence. One either participates in upholding or dismantling rape culture.

“Rape culture” is a term that’s as sinister sounding as its definition: to turn sexual assault, rape and other forms of violence against women into entertainment or to altogether ignore or trivialize these crimes.

altogether ignore or trivialize these crimes.

Op: I'm gonna recommend everyone that doesn't enjoy these types of contents and they want healthy stories to move to webtoon app. It's free, full of great stories with great plot lines and/or fluffy cute webtoons.
Or you can just open your eyes read the hashtags before starting a piece of media.. No I do not think this is romantic. No I do not condone rape or any form of SA in real life. PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO FIND WHATEVER FUCKED SHIT THEY WANT ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE IT'S A FUCKING 2D CHARACTER MADE OF PIXELS!!!!!)
your need to cancel or censor these types of media doesn't erase it from real life.
Yet OBVIOUSLY because this is a fictional piece of media it will have a happy ending and the shitty situation will turn for the better and a cheesy romance will be the outcome of their interactions.
This is not a psychological story nor did it ever pretend to be so it will not end in a dark heavy and real way as it shouldn't. You are NOT reading a documentary you are reading bl written by women on an ILLEGAL WEBSITE.
If you were so well educated to tell people what they are allowed to enjoy you must have read about why when and how bl started.
It was always written by women and FOR women. It's fictional and people are allowed to create whatever nonsense they want as fiction.

Story: it hurts. It hurts. He hurts me then he heals me.
How is it trivialized. Or ignored. Dan is trembling and crying. It shows no enjoyment at first and him not wanting to. He acts like a SA survivor and he is since we know from his SA abuse in the flashback from chapter 1 to Jk.

How are you seeing it being downplayed or ignored

You put them in their places.

look up rape apologist.

Research on how content that badly represents rape and/or victims of sexual assault contributes to rape culture. This author is known to downplay sexual violence as she did in BJ Alex. Sexual violence between couple that will end up with a happily ever after contributes to rape culture. It downplays rape into an obstacle in a relationship that can be gotten over. That is trivialising.
The fiction arguement is not a a valid one.
Palermo AM, Dadgardoust L, Arroyave SC, Vettor S, Harkins L. J. Sex. Aggress. 2019; 25(3): 244-257.
Tamir DI, Bricker AB, Dodell-Feder D, Mitchell JP. Reading fiction and reading minds: the role of simulation in the default network.
Thompson J, Teasdale B, van Emde Boas E, Budelmann F, Duncan S, Maguire L, Dunbar R. Does believing something to be fiction allow a form of moral licencing or a 'fictive pass' in understanding others' actions?
Romero-Sánchez, Mónica, et al. "Sexist humor and rape proclivity: The moderating role of joke teller gender and severity of sexual assault

Let’s cancel Paw Patrol.

Paw patrol: Where the puppies are heroes, kittens are villains. Dumb message to send to kids.

Why not call it pup patrol? Why are they all puppies? Zuma is an underwater crew member, why not a mammal that is both land and water? Skye is an air rescue team member, why not a bird?

Why is Skye the only main female lead?
Rumble, Chase, Zuma, Rocky, or Marshall couldn’t be females?
Women couldn’t be a police officer, an underwater crew member, construction crew worker, etc?
Only an air rescue crew member?

Skye, Everest, Liberty, Coral, and Ella are the only females. The last three barely made any appearances. They have been added recently too.

What dumb messages to sent to kids.

There was/is a movement to stop yaoi/bl as it does portray real homosexual relationships and harm them. Many women are behind that. It could had been started by a woman. I forgot.
I mean the whole thing not one genre.

I think you are changing what is there to a horrid story. It is like an horror story adaptation trying to damage something. It’s sad what you are doing.

You can think whatever you want, the facts are the facts and whatever weird agenda you think i must have is your problem. Its great that women are standing against what some yaoi and BL authors are doing, i know not all women support this content but the primary creators and primary audience is female women. That was what i was mentioning. I do hope you have a good day but im dont going to be replying to you anymore. You dont seem to comprehensively read what im saying and are making up your own theories. Have a nice evening.

Thisislele. I have no hatred. You are a rape apologist. Rape apologists can be actively dismantling rape culture.
“ a rape apologist is not just someone who is outwardly aggressive towards survivors who speak out or someone who makes sexually harassing comments, they are also someone who is apathetic or tolerant towards sexual violence. One either participates in upholding or dismantling rape culture.”
https://www.shatteringthesilence.org/blog/identifying-a-rape-apologist.

You are aggressive towards me. I admit my fault but my behavior didn’t matter you been the same. If I treated you as kindly and as if I was a doormat you were treated me the same. You just attacked me and you been attacking that is why I attacked you. No TMSM don’t deserve your BULLSHIT! You think this is about your opinion on a character? This is how you treated TMSM and spread misinformation on TMSM. He is not a character!! I don’t care if you want to look stupid in claiming a sexual abuser is a rapist. Loser. You are a rape apologist for how you treat me and what you said about me. I am not your stupid opinion. Stop making real people your opinions to justify your hatred and bullying.

Your hatred and bullying on TMSM is why we are here.

I think since you back out. I am right.
I think you are distorting facts.
I wouldn’t treat you like I am treating thisislele.
You are not a hater. It is your personal problem not my problem.
No. Not some, all yaoi and BL. I will try to find it. But you cut off communication. I will have TMSM or Tora to give it to you if you don’t look back.
I am comprehending this. I taking it all in but the side you’re on will fail. Am I making up theories or was it true.


You say it harms men. How does this harm TM and SM relationship? Let’s pretend SM or TM is a rape survivor or SA survivor how does this harm him?
TM has described SM is kind of like Dan. You think Dan is raped. How is Dan a character, being raped, in a fantasy world, harms SM a rape survivor in the real world? This is hypothetical so SM was previously rape by x-lover and TM saved SM from the abusive relationship. TM treats SM like a queen. SM is the one in control.

Me not replying anymore doesnt mean you've won, im not so willing to discuss because you've been verbally abusive to others and i dont want to repeat myself. You've also come across as somewhat patronising, falsly assuming and accusing me in the same comment. You shouldn't take this as an 'im right you're wrong' type of situation, this isnt a debate nor an arguement its a discussion. View it as such. I'll bite for now.

Sigh, Ok listen. The reason why BL content that trivilaises or normalises rape in anyway is harmful because it can desensitise people to male victims of sexual violence. Ive already said this, im not acting like jinx is the sole contributor to rape culture but media (tv, art, books, novels etc) are one of, if not the biggest contributors to rape culture. There are many that do worse but my discussion is revolved around jinx primarily. Being desensitised is not ok, its a problem. We should be upset about this even while acknowledging its not real because the way ournbrains process fiction is extremely similar to how we process reality. Meaning that a desensitisation to fictional sexual violence of men can leak into our real perceptions. We should be sensitive about it because it is a sensitive topic, discussions like these are important.

This is anecdotal evidence so take it as you will. I am a survivor of same sex CSA and im also a male. I can say that rape culture has impacted me a lot, i didnt come out about my sexual abuse to anybody other than my sister because of it. I can say that content like this definetly contributes to rape culture which harms survivors. Now, my points aren't automatically valid just because i experienced sexual abuse as a boy but your question is asking how content that contributes to raps culture it harms men is it not? Im saying it harmed me, im saying it harmed my dad, my friend, my cousin, my uncle and a stranger i dont know. There is no statisics on how many victims it impacts, because any man/boy who is subjected to sexual violence willbe impacted by rape culture. Its a societal issue fueled by media, culture and possibly religion (?). However, in our modern society its now primarily media, atleast where i live.

Things that contribute to rape culture indirectly harm victims of sexual violence. My issue is not that Dan is being raped but that mingwa made the rapist his love interest and then makes Dan fall inlove with him despite the abuse. Of course, anybody can read this without endorsing the rape/abuse part of it or trivialising it but what mingwa is doing IS trivialising it. Having this be a romance and having Dan fall in love downplays the severity. Doing that isnt okay. I think this had been said on page 1 though. You should throughly look through it.

except i never attacked you or your "friend" until you started insulting me. i am not a rape apologist but you are an idiot. and being rude to you does not make anybody a rape apologist you fucking dumbass. youve been a raging bitch this whole fucking time and im sick of it. go fuck yourself. stop fucking talking to me and stop making shit up about me you fucking obsessed freak. the only BULLSHIT has been coming from you.

“Me not replying anymore doesnt mean you've won,”. ??????????? Huh?????


“im not so willing to discuss because you've been verbally abusive to others”. Sigh. I am good natured. I know you seen what happened a month ago to now. You of all people should understand. “I have posted “ Haters/ trolls/ cyber bullies once I am mistreated or it is known they are haters loses my respect. Blame the other haters. They will be met with their own toxic behavior in a more constructive manner. Speaking their language.” Many times. It is I have been verbally abused to haters. Thisislele is a rape apologist hater. They act like a monster be treated like a monster. They are not human. Now who is coming up with theories? I am not doing this real genuine people. You have been genuine and You hate JK. It is not hate on a character. I hated Jk. He reminded of me of my rapist.
Don’t take how I been treating them and use it against me when you actions are different from themp. Also, you follow and talk to those monsters who are worst and actually treat others like this to feel better about themselves and harm them. HELPMELMAO as told 3 of us to go kill ourselves and harass us. Their real harassment is okay but my acting like them to defend us, isn’t okay?
HELPMELMAO, thisislele= it is rape
US = it is Sexual Assault not rape.
You = it is rape.
You say something to me. I don’t think you said anything to anyone that is equally or worse than I presented in my response. Is it because of they are liked minded?? Real verbal abuse is okay but mock verbal abuse isn’t acceptable. Condone haters, condemn their victims defending themselves against their actions by acting like them. Okay. They never went against you. You thought I would go against you for having different views. You don’t care unless you’re involved? Duly noted.
I don’t know if I have accused or assumed. That is what came across. If I was thisislele or a hater I would keep it and pretend you’re delusional as they did with TMSM and you said nothing. Now you made me like thisislele. Should I be like them? Or be me? You would be okay with them not changing but this is about you.


“You shouldn't take this as an 'im right you're wrong' type of situation, “? Huh?? I am not a hater

“this isnt a debate nor an arguement its a discussion. “ not a hater. I am friends with Tora and TMSM = conversations. I am not a hater. Lol you are a riot. Not trolling. I think you overreacted here. You were to serious. You follow the ones that make this page awful with their attacks. They try to make conversations into debates, arguments, and pure attacks and you do nothing or join in.



Okay. I will go back and read over. I will be me. I will try to see your view. I don’t know how haters pretend to be right when they are wrong.
While you are explaining it. There seems to be some things missing. I think I will ask Tora research this. He loves to research. Maybe he can fill in the gaps.

Maybe we can discuss this here after or DM. If I don’t piss you off.

“you should throughly look through it.” Again**

https://tokyopast3.com/yaoi-boys-love/?amp=1

https://journal.transformativeworks.org/index.php/twc/article/view/463/388

Maybe he (Tora) can find better articles on what I am saying. Research is his thing.

https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14449612/?page=7

Thisislele
You reply is the first comment. You talked about TMSM making him the drama when he wants. You called TMSM a werido. He has a topic with 5 links and quotes but you claimed he wrote it. It was on women and sex fantasies and a few other things but you made it about sexual assault is different from rape. Rape is sexual assault but not all SA is rape. You asked a question trying to make it look like he was trying to downplay the abuse. He isn’t a rape apologist or denier. You degraded TMSM.
You failed to see why there is a point to separate Rape and SA. You’re taunted and deflected. You are rude. You are argumentative. You get proven wrong and keep lying. Your name is thisislele. You know it is but you would fight saying it is not saying the other is making up things. You pretend they proved your point when it disproved you. TMSM was civil. Anyone can tell he was causally talking to you. When TMSM know it was just cyber bullying he started to call you out. You called TMSM an idiot. He was stupid. You attacked him. You gaslighted him.
You were playing victim.


“except i never attacked you or your "friend" until you started insulting me. “. Lying rape apologist says what?
Werido. You are a werido. Verbal attack. The evidence is there. I am not two gay men. You are fucking dedicated to that sham.
You are the fucking dumbass you can’t tell people apart. You can’t tell why you are a rape apologist when I told you. Returning what I said to you. You have no originality.
I never made anything up. TMSM never made anything up. You are the bullshitter.
You are the fucking obsessed fuck that will not go away. You can’t return with lies. You rape apologist bullshitter liar that is obviously obsessed with harming a rape survivor. I am trying to stop you but you are to stupid to see.

i dont really understand why you brought up others here, i say nothing because there is nothing to say. They are just cyberbulling people and the best way to combat it is to not respond or react. Attention is what they want. I apologise though, i only briefly skimmed though your conversations and saw very crude language so i had a misconception. Im sure HELPMELMAO has said horrible things to you, i have told them they need to tone it down and telling people to kts isnt ok. I apologise for that too.
Im sure i didnt say you were a hater and i wasnt implying it, i was stating that this isnt a wrong or right situation thats it. Me not responding ≠ youre right, was my point.
What did you feel was missing here? Is there something youre wanting me to look into that i haven't mentioned?

that first comment was just my opinion on exactly what i thought was happening. i did not LIE, i made an ASSUMPTION they are not the same thing. and yeah i hyperfocused on the difference between rape and sexual assault bc the claim was that dan wasnt raped when he WAS and that was fucking infuriating. it DID seem like they were downplaying sexual assault to me. i did not degrade them, tell me when i did. i never failed to see the difference between sa and rape. but dan was raped. tm was rude FIRST so i responded. it's right fucking there in the comments. i didnt gaslight anybody learn what that fucking word means before using it dumb fuck. you are so fucking stupid it's absolutely infuriating. and stop calling me a rape apologist you're not even fucking using that word right. leave me the fuck alone!!!!

thisislele September 14, 2023 6:20 pm

https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14448911/. ( TMSM Topic)


hisislele September 14, 2023 11:05 pm

https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14449612/?page=1

Time stamps say Thisislele seen TMSM topic first. Then a few hours later lied about TMSM. They didn’t make an assumption because they made a response hours before on the topic they grossly misrepresented. TM NEVER downplayed SA. He would never do that. He actually cares about RAPE and SA SURVIVORS! A rape apologist saying he downplayed when there is no evidence. Lele did degrade him. It is in the second link.
There is a difference between SA and rape. The difference has been posted. Lack of reading comprehension skills and needs to come back to reality. Rape attempts are SA but not rape. Someone being molested. There are many SA survivors that are not rape survivors. Dan was never raped. You want him to be raped. TM was blunt not rude. And no one deserved how you treated him. You gaslighted them. You are the one stupid. Your lies are not working. I am using the word correctly. You are a rape apologist. It is funny I am acting like a hater after meeting a hater. My behavior has been mocking a hater but you seem upset with the one that was true and not mocking. I meant that and it is funny how you are acting to it. It is as if it was true and you know it. We both know you are a rape apologist. You made that clear.

No problem, and you're right! Its so common for misogynistic and hetero ideals to be pushed onto same sex couples. There's this transcendence into the real world with shipping real people and making gay relationships all about sex. It takes seconds to realize and fix that mentality but some women feel attacked when pointing things out how they're contributing to a much larger issue.

Homosexual relationships have a higher rate of domestic violence (Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine). This has been linked to how gay relationships are portrayed. In all transparency, some studies have shown the same levels of DV. But, the Northwestern University Feinberg study had the LARGEST data size and they found higher rates

Here's a comprehensive study on attitudes in gay and lesbian relationships towards DV,
Ana Maria R., & Caridade, Sónia Maria Martins. (2017). Violence in intimate relationship between same sex partners: prevalence study

But, yeah, its crazy how hard people will fight when they think their Yaoi rights will be revoked

Its obvious you have no intentions of having a decent convo. You should genuinely seek therapy. Its not normal to be this combative. You're accused of being a rape apologists so you throw baseless claims to get the heat off. You're called out for being disrespectful, so you deflect again. In all honesty, you're vile and disgusting. Seek help, get offline, and (most importantly) go fuck yourself.

I'm a rape victim myself. In no way does that give me or anybody a pass...

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and you can’t read.
It’s obvious you have no intentions of having a decent convo with only haters.. You should genuinely seek therapy. I don’t need. “It’s not normal to be this combative” I am only mocking haters who told me to go kill myself. You are not judging me. “You're accused of being a rape apologists so you throw baseless claims to get the heat off.” Maybe you should get the full picture before you make foolish assumptions.
“You're called out for being disrespectful, so you deflect again. In all honesty, you're vile and disgusting.” You are vile and disgusting. Do you feel better about yourself? I was mocking haters. You don’t have a real picture and are cyber bullying.

Seek help, get offline, and (most importantly) go fuck yourself.

I'm a rape victim myself. In no way does that give me or anybody a pass... I never asked for one. Stop being a rape apologist and also come back to reality. Seek professional help because that was delusional and who and what were you talking about.

Read my first comment on page 3. Or well read all comments. I have posted “ Haters/ trolls/ cyber bullies once I am mistreated or it is known they are haters loses my respect. Blame the other haters. They will be met with their own toxic behavior in a more constructive manner. Speaking their language.” Many times. It is I have been verbally abused to haters.

You are out of line. Do you feel better about yourself? You got everything wrong and tried to be superior righteous controlling bitch. You need professional help. Rape survivors don’t referred to themselves as victims. We are survivors not victims.

thank you! i feel like i’m going insane trying to talk to them!

I totally understand where you are coming from but I believe you need to stop reading what is harming you instead of trying to cancel it's existence.
I do know how it may affect gay men because I am a lesbian woman who watches porn XD
But I just know that those videos are made for someone else's sexual fantasies however disgusting or disturbing it may be to me. I go find my own cup of tea in the huge pool that is porn industry.
Another granny advice here, you shouldn't think about the creator of a good manga you see if it has become that traumatizing to you. Yet I need you to look with logic and see that a woman writing a great gay story( the ones that are good representations yet when you find out they were written by women it kinda triggers your ptsd) is the same as a male writer having a great female character in their book or vise versa.
Or a writer from our age writing a historical story. It's not always that people have to have the same experiences personally to be able to write a good piece of work. Hope that helps.

Wow this gave me chills holly fuck! People are crazy... I'm really sorry you and your friend went through that I myself blocked the asshole that was just trying to annoy me and didn't have any actual points in their comment!
And the thing you said about real readers being afraid to comment is sooooo real. Like when you go on other sites that are less known commenters are still the same old people that are just commenting funny things or cursing at characters for their wrong decisions which shows they are actually invested in the story! Mangago has become a place full of these types of internet bullies after the whole ptotn incident. They still come here to pirate but they bring their censorship mindset with them! I'm happy you decided to come back and defend yourself. Your decision gives courage to others like you♡♡♡♡

my identity is not for het women to get off to, nor make money off of. especially if the content is harmful. it’s not comparable to a male author having a great female character, that’s just good writing. i’m talking about women who are attracted to men treating gay men like their kink or their fantasy. especially with yaoi and bl webtoons, so many of them are made just to be full of smut. it’s not just porn it’s in dramas a lot more now too. and it would be fine if it was just adding sex/steamy scenes to gay stories like so many straight stories have but most of the time it’s not. most gay content that i know of is made by women and most of that is made for women aswell. i want to consume gay content and feel represented, not sexualised by straight women.

Yeah the idiot puritans from TikTok and Twitter have invaded mangago and AO3. Yaoi has always been “problematic.” Fictional comics are not meant to teach morality lmao. Instead of people talking about the new plot developments it’s just complaining about rape over and over again… WE GET IT, RAPE IS BAD. Jeezus…

Their moral high ground is interesting, considering they use Mangago to read these comics instead of supporting the artist. Like bruh, it's a piece of fiction. Calm down.

if i could like this i would

seriously if people need fiction, esp one set in HELL, to teach them RAPE BAD then they’re clearly not good people to begin with. especially the ones that keep going and reading despite the very first chapter including rape. like was that and the tags not your warning? there’s just as much safe fluff on this website so why stick around on the non con content? clearly they like it to some extent if they’re still reading and are in denial but don’t wanna be one of the “weird” people.

This! Idk with new readers. Back in the day we just complain because of lack of development in the characters and plot. We didnt even complain for long hiatus. But readers now I swear complains with everything.

If I could I would like all of the replies... thanks! finally my kinda people XD
Like let us be weird and enjoy our problematic shit in peace why you gotta make everything a debate of good or bad! IT'S OBVIOUSLY BAD -_-

LOUDER PLEASE for the people in the back

Thank you!! I thought i was going insane looking at the comments… like even 5 years ago it wasn’t like this at all, people didn’t give a shit about problematic content, that was the point. Now the comments are full of people saying stuff like “Rape is unacceptable, therefore depicting rape is unacceptable, author should go to jail.” Meanwhile they are reading this stuff ILLEGALLY. WTF is happening. I hate all of them lol.

I agree