Anyone have recommendations for adult men BL that isn't so wide on the age gap and not too toxic?
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/sonokoi_jihanki_de_kaemasuka/ not toxic at all and the ages are 28 and 32
Thank u :)
Any BL recommendations where the relationship is not toxic and the seme gets feelings first
Any enemy to lovers BL recommendations with a good amount of chapter's ?
Does anyone know any good BL comics based on the Joseon era ?
There aren't really any here on the free sites like mangago and myreadingmanga
But! There is a really good one with beautiful art on Tappytoon!
"On or Off" By A1
enjoy :)
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I've actually been reading that one but thank you ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶ anyway I had a feeling I wasn't going to find any new ones that I have not already read but I thought it was worth a try
I started this one some time ago ╥﹏╥ I'm happy it updated again (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ thanks anyway
I haven't read the second one I'll give it a try ~~~ thank u (●'◡'●)ﾉ
I'm sorry! It really is difficult finding some haha! Although the one on Tappytoon really is a good read! I'm reading it myself haha ^^
Yes it's really difficult to find some! I can agree the one one Tappytoon is a good read tho (≧∀≦) I can't wait for the new season ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
Right!! I'm so ready for it! ^^
Just asking what do you think makes a story good or bad? I just want to know since I am working on a story of my own
These are big NO
Cringey lines that are thrown often like 24 fucking 7, no certain plot(unless thats gintama), unconsistent character behaviors, and using fuckin 2nd lead to make the first fucking lead to be better (though most stories used this, if you dont know how to it'll just ruin the story flow)
I think character development is pretty important. It kinda makes you feel as if you are witnessing their growth (?) Idk how to explain it, it's just.. yeah, I think character development is nice.
Pacing is also important, pretty obvi but I thought I should just throw this in there. If it's too fast, it's dull (at least for me). But if it's too slow I'll just feel like I'm wasting my time.
Also, do not make your characters brain dead. Cuz that just pisses people off. They don't even need to be that smart, just.. have some common sense in them.
Just make sure you have atleast the main plot sorted out
From a fellow writer, I have to say characters who are relatable. If your audience can't relate, they lose interest! Developing characters, giving them flaws, and showing their growth is what helps all other elements of your story come together. Good luck! ♡
- the first chapter. If the first few pages are not interesting, lots of people will drop it. For those who are courageous, the rest should be decebt enough so they keep reading.
- an interesting storyline. Kill clichés, try to follow a great pace and get some actions.
- don't use descriptions just to make the story longer. They should be usefull, but shoumd also leave some of it ti the readers imagination. No need to become the new Balzac.
- the mc should be interesting enough. Petty, cringy, useless mc are not the most interesting. No matter how great the plot is, an annoying mc is enough to destroy your hard work.
- write it however you want. Long and beautiful sentences doesn't make a great story. Just write it as you'd really say it, this will make an impact as the reader will feel closer to your story.
NOTHING AND EVERYTHING MAKES A STORY BAD AND GREAT. Actually, there's no 100% great or bad stories. Those were just my advices for the type of stories I like. However you want to make your story, if you like it, know that there will be others to like it too. And there will be other the dislike it. You can't know who's going to love it or not. And you don't know how many will love it. But there will always be someone other than you to like it. That's how art works.
Oh and, I don't know how to phrase it in english but to sum it up: everything has already been created, all that is left is to recreate it. So don't be afraid of writing smthg just because some parts were already used in another story from another author. Just write it, recreate the idea, make it your own and share it again. It can be better or not, but it won't make you a copycat.
Cringy lines- make it realistic. Imagine the conversation in your head.
Weeaboo characters; something I've seen, unfortunately a lot, is interjecting Japanese words and names in otherwise western stories.
Overly describing unimportant things. People don't want to know "so and so bought this or that, paid 5 dollars, ate it and then left." There are other ways to make time pass in your story but this is not it.
People crying all the time. It's one thing if it's an incredibly emotional scene, maybe someone has died. Maybe someone is in the hospital. Sure. But having one character in particular (such as, say, the uke), crying literally ever other paragraph is a no go.
Characterization and character development is super important. If your character is going to change, give them a reason. Don't have them be an asshole, get attracted to someone and turn around and be all like, I was wrong, I've changed so let me love you.
Figure out what the story is actually about. Don't start going down one way, then suddenly switch gears. If the story is about zombies, don't introduce aliens (unless it's related) halfway through.
Rape is NOT a good plot point. So many authors use it but it's a cheap cop out for emotional trauma and/or bringing the plot together. On top of this it is rarely if ever represented properly. People who are raped do NOT suddenly realize their rapist was only doing it to help them and fall in love with them. People who stay in relationships with their rapists have mental health issues and need to seek help.
On the same line as 'overly descriptive', describe things that are important. Things that help visualize the setting. Saying "he bit into his sandwich, groaning at the sharp tang of the Italian dressing on his tongue" is better than "he ate a sandwich and liked it"
With the above sandwich as an example, make sure to research- I've never had italian dressing so I have no idea if it's 'tangy' and describing it as such when it reality it could be tasteless could draw your reader out of the story. This goes for everything else. You don't have to personally experience something to write about it, but don't think you know how things work because you read a paragraph on wikipedia.
One of the most important things is 'show, don't tell'. Don't tell me that the character is mad. Tell me that, his face is red, his hands curled into fists and shaking from the urge to punch the wall. You can sometimes get away with this, but don't rely on telling the readers how the characters feel.
Related to the above- during dialogue don't stray far from 'Character said, "blah blah" the emphasis being on SAID. (or asked, if it's a question). It pulls the reader out if you try to switch it up too much.
Again, characterization. I can't stress this enough. I've seen many new authors that have very flat characters that scream or yell everything, that cry at the drop of a hat, that randomly have learned another language, or everything in their life is bad and it's just an absolute tragedy (mary sue/gary stu).
This has turned into a novel so I'll stop here but if you have any questions or want to know more, let me know!
Uh I'd say just make sure of a few things,one don't stray from your plot,sometimes when I write my thoughts get jumbled and I add in things that just are too much, it deviates from how I wanted the story to go and over all forces the ending different than I imagined.
Second,don't rush the plot,it's okay to use transitions or time skips but in moderation,sometimes it's overwhelming if two characters despised each other and became best buds in the next chapter.
Third,make sure your character stays in character,dramatic changes just are strange because its forcing the plot,it's alright if your character goes through a challenge which teaches them he moral,or personality quirk but changing it too quickly will seem OOC.
Fourth,the cannon fodders,it's nice to have them as drama but dont make them,well,stupid. For me personally,the rival should have at least a basic clue? Its fine if their character was naturally dumb but,if they're sold as "smart,cool,or strong" they should at least minutely play the part.
And lastly,make sure you make it easy to read,one thing that's a problem with new writers is they don't how to structure the paragraphs. Instead of a huge block of text,space them out and make your quotations clear so people know whose speaking.
Those are just some basic tips from a fellow,shitty writer,you'll naturally progress the more you write. Hope it helps. ლ(´ڡ`ლ) (=・ω・=)
I feel like I'm going to write an entire essay lol hope it helps even tho is just my opinion!!
Um, I think a good story is capable of having a morally gray character :) that's compelling to me, also likeable protagonists, but in the sense that the actually grow with the events that happen around them and have traits added to their personalities and that they train to nurture their capabilities (that's why stories with "the protagonist gets stronger" trope are so popular, we like seeing things grow lmao).
Once I read as a writing tip that to build a story you first plan the world around them, so you can see how the personality of your mc can progress (or decay depending the genre) in it clearly and the story doesn't take harsh turns that seem out of place just because it was following the character's personality. I think it means more like if the world doesn't fit your character, you have to change the world, but like, in the planning phase lol not in the middle of the story.
This is more of a personal take lmao but I really hate "killing characters for shock value" >:c. Death is indeed a twist in the story, but is not good if it doesn't end up being like, a character motivation or a real factor that was announced before. Authors often bullshit about how "it was necessary" but without background foreshadowing or exposition and I really dont like that lol.
For example: heroes that have people close to them killed, but it was predicted bc there was a scene where the villain said they are looking for something to ruin the hero We hate the villain and feel like supporting the hero even more.
In the turntable; Its the end of the story and the better good for the world needs a sacrifice, no one knew this, the sacrificed character survived though hell and back, and they have no reward but honor in death. Bad ending, the people who loved them live in grief and the moment they move on, we as readers hate them bc we didnt move on, it happened like two pages AGO WTH lol see?? djfjfkkgkg
Um I also really hate onomatopoeia as dialogue lol its cringy for me, like saying ["...huf... huf... huf" they huffed tiredly] like what??? Just say they panted in exhaustion?? Why write it out.
Oh! Also I'm a fan of "human moments" I'll explain lol; moving around, fidgeting, doing something part of a routine but not always the same thing, they had something in their hands before entering the scene, when they have itches and scratch them or play around with hair, all of those and more make the character more real and relatable and I'm all in for it.
Is more like bad storytelling, and there are lots of tips on how to avoid this, but over- describing the environment or the clothing of every character REALLY gets on my nerves and often is the fact that makes me drop stories, significant characteristics that call the CHARACTERS attention is all we need, also quirky moments like "and I was listening to my blood by twenty one pilots, what?? Its awesome don't judge me, anyway..." ...ok? :/ summarized, bad writing that appears to be a characterxreader fanfic on wattpad pushes my buttons like no other lmao
But to really get me hooked, you only have to add cuddles lol casual touching as bonding between characters is my cup of tea, it waters my crops, butters my toast, imagines my dragons, like theres no better trope for me lmao
Um im sorry if it's too overwhelming lol I hope it helps in any way! I like to believe there are no bad or good stories just, wasted potential haha all tropes are good and there is no cliche not woth retelling!! I wish you all the luck with your story! (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
Like everyone else has said, characterization and a decent plot. It doesnt have to be a very unique idea. It can even be a very old idea, but the way you re create it is what matters most.
But do please avoid cliches and cringe.
Do avoid too many discriptive words everywhere.
Rather than explaining everything to the readers, leave some to imagination. As above mentioned the "show, dont tell ", concept works really well
Do avoid flat overpowered boring, characters used just as a stepping atone for the MC and nothing else, making everyone other than the MC dumb as hell.
Like even if they all werent super smart it would be fine if they had common sense. If they were too dumb, then that would be because either theres something wrong with the way they were born or has some kind of illness.
Character development is key to every story. But of course with in reason. If character A was a jerk the whole time to every one and just suddenly meets Charcter B and treats them completly different from everyone else for no reason....well, thats bull.
Its also bull that everyone likes the same person or a person is loved by everyone. Remember its human nature to hold negative emotions as well as positive. No one is perfect. Imperfections and flaws are what make a good relatable charater.
Its also very cringe when the story tries to be funny by adding a meme or internet joke every five pages.
Well, to me, it all depends on the characters lol. I tend to stop reading when I disliked a character in the book. For example, I’ve been reading Cassandra Clare’s The Dark Artifices trilogy and I’m getting fed up with the side characters (Cristina and Mark) and bcuz Cassie tends to show different perspectives of the characters in her book so whenever Cristina and Mark comes, I just go like “I really wanna skip these damn bishes.” Or probably cuz these two are involved in a threesome with my most favourite character, Kieran lmao. So I’m just like “Wtf, Kier, plez just be with another person gosh.” And yeah, don’t make your characters unlikeable unless they’re a villain.
But technically likeable villains are quite fun actually. In Cassandra’s The Mortal Instruments series, the villain (Sebastian Morgenstern) is a very interesting person. It’s difficult not to like him. Although he’s kinda strange lol. For me, it’s best if the writer pays attention to plot flow and characters’ personalities. I think I’ve read a book where the plot flow is stuck af. Like the relationship between the main characters are not even moving forward while the side characters which are already well-developed kept appearing and technically is disturbing the flow of the story. Coughs... coughs.... Kurui Naku no wa Boku no Ban Beta... coughs.
Also, I’ve been getting irritated with Chinese books where the Male lead just keeps on being jealous over everyone. And also Male leads who doesn’t appreciate a relationship whether it’s between friends or family. I’d like a conflict where the Male lead had to balance his relationship between a best friend and his lover. Do remember that you need to also treasure your friends. It’s like they completely forgot them. I don’t like Male leads who get jealous over a friend getting along well with his lover. Plez do be like Magnus Bane when Catarina Loss acknowledges his relationship with Alec.
I also appreciate stories where we could see that the author really put effort into research for particular information. Another thing is don’t write in a simple way like most people in Wattpad (yes this is true) but don’t write in a really difficult way to understand like this author named Roshani Chokshi. I’ve read one of her books and it’s so descriptive and the descriptions sometimes goes beyond limits that it’s getting annoying to read so I just stopped reading all over. Over-the-top descriptions just spoils the readers’ mood. And if your grammar is bad, please do get an editor. If you seriously wanna be recognised as an author, it’s best to get an editor or learn grammar all over again. It’s understandable if English isn’t your first language but if you wanna earn recognition for your writing, I pretty much don’t think that’s a valid excuse.
I considered mangas by Harada as very well-done and decent even tho it’s psychotic. It’s not a problem of being fcked up. If readers judge a story by the genre and main idea, then that’s pretty much unfair. Chinese novels like Gaze at the Scenes of Debauchery and Sickly Tyrannical are psychology stories with decent plot but many dislike Sickly Tyrannical for its gore descriptions and gives it a low rating. It’s a great story well-deserved a rating above 4. These readers who gave low rating are pretty much pussies who can’t stand psycho stories like this.
Also, it’s fine if not all characters are relatable. Sometimes people wish to see characters who are greater than themselves. I guess it’s just a kind of wish to be like the characters? I’m writing an essay literally. I’ll sum it up now~. Basically, it’s fine to create any type of plot even if it’s fcked up or cliche af, as long as you know how to deliver it decently. What’s most important is the writing. Plez no “too simple writing” like a grade schooler and no “too difficult writing” just to show off your ability. It’s not cool at all lol. When the descriptions are overboard or when there’s no descriptions at all, we lose interest. (づ￣ ³￣)づ Tho I’m pretty sure you won’t read all of this lmao.
Thank u for the tips i'll keep these in mind
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I also feel like these are all really important to have in a story it's very helpful thank u! (≧∀≦)
Ty for your help! I'm taking mental notes on this to keep in mind while writing my story
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Wow you really went into detail this makes it a lot more easier to understand tysm! and that last tip really helped with my thinking i'll keep these in mind! ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
Σ(っ°Д °;)っWoah you had a lot to say, THANK YOU for sharing all of this with me and giving examples it rlly helps a whole lot i'll look back at these to make sure i don't forget
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Thank you for these tips i feel like i would forget a lot of this as a writer, so you letting me know this helps me keep them in mind ლ(´ڡ`ლ) also i will make sure to make some notes on these tips i feel like they're rlly important to keep in mind while making a story
Wow you really brought up some good tips I don't think I would have remembered some of these on my own, and even though it's your own opinion it really does help and I mean it was what I asked for (▰˘◡˘▰) thank you for your opinion! I will keep them in mind and look back on them to write my story (=・ω・=) also thanks for wishing me good luck it really means a lot and makes me want to try my best to create a good story
These are some really good tips thank you for giving me your opinion it really helps since this will be the first story i'm planning to complete (づ￣ ³￣)づ also I really like the last tip you gave me that No one is perfect i'll make sure to keep these in mind it really is helpful
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You really had a lot of tips to give tysm! I like all the tips you gave me and thanks for explaining them to me in detail it helps out a lot ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶ also I did make sure to read all of it I didn't want to miss anything that can be of help and i'm glad I did i'll make sure to keep all of this in mind for my story and my future stories aswell (≧∀≦)
I've wanted to read more GL series but don't know where to look. I would appreciate any recs on not so toxic GL series without love triangles or whatever ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
Sora & haena. In time skip there's smut and the 2nd couple is the best one imo enemies to friends to benefits to lovers
My love life for something more realistic and thoughtful
Sorry it was called love my life
Thx for recs (▰˘◡˘▰) I'll be sure to give them a read