You make such weird excuses for things that are clearly wrong and idealize the characters and the relationship between them way too much. To the point that I question your reading comprehension.
How some of y’all don’t recognize that Jin got drugged and raped by Matt? Sedatives ARE still drugs. And just because he had some noble reason to do so, doesn’t change the fact that he drugged him against his will. Sure, Matthew doesn’t know everything about Jin’s past, so he didn’t know just how hurtful it was to him and how huge of an emotional pain he caused him by doing so - but if you read the story, you should know just how fucking traumatic the whole drugged sex thing is to Jin and understand why it’s such a dealbreaker for him. He started to question the genuineness of their whole relationship. And also, consent is a thing that can be withdrawn at any moment during the act. An unconscious person cannot give consent and cannot withdraw it - hence, sex with an unconscious person is always non-consensual. Even if it’s between two lovers, and even if Jin woke up and was fine with being pounded in the ass - it still doesn’t change the fact that doing anything to the person that’s unconscious still means doing something that you can’t be sure the other person would be fine with. Jesus, yaoi fucks with people’s brains in some weird ways, they seem to forget what a healthy sexual relationship is and become rape advocates.
What I’m trying to say is - you may like the characters, you may like the dynamic between them and you may hope they get their happy ending BUT you should still recognize what’s wrong with their relationship. Don’t go around making excuses for things that are simply wrong, just because you’ve idealized the characters so much that you don’t want to acknowledge their faults.
I apologize for this rant, might have sounded a bit harsh. I’m obviously a BL reader myself and I don’t aim it at every single reader. It’s just that BL stories often have VERY dark themes and portray very toxic relationships - which is fine as long as the readers acknowledge it. But I’ve noticed that BL readers often normalize it instead and try to make excuses for things that shouldn’t be excused (not exclusive to BL ofc, but I think it happens more often). And I’m just way too tired of seeing it.
Anyways, released some of that steam cause our MCs are onto a very rocky path in their relationship it seems, and I’m STRESSING. Only proves how well-written story this is. Hope things will get resolved in a healthy and communicative way and not just brushed over. It all happened because they don’t understand each other and don’t communicate each other’s worries in the first place.
Finally someone said it! Im so tired of shit being normalized in yaoi and BL. Its not like im gonna yell at every author face and tell them to stop writing stuff like this, I mean, it is a part of a story if we're looking at it in a literature view.
I was reading the comments under (sadistic beauty- BL side story) and oh god, people are so fucked in the brain. Theyve became to normalize rape, violence and drugging in a disturbing way. None of the comments have common sense. I know the story is literally about a fucked up obsessive maniac who kidnaps a guy and tortures him, but that doesnt give anyone the right to ship them or rooting for them to be in a relationship. For fuck sake, if people keep normalizing the (fall for the rapist) trope its gonna be a fucking disaster
People must have the brain to know the difference between reading fiction and real life
Cause istg people obssesing over rape BL is worrying me
go girl spill it!
Exactly... That was really wrong of Matthew here... Jin clearly didn't lead a good happy life & clearly has his fair share of traumas...
Finally! I thought I was the only one who thought that way.
At least someone with brain.
The amount of BLs I desperately want to drop because it's ALWAYS the same shit like when the bottom keeps saying "no" "I need a break" and the top just keeps going and saying shit like "your body says otherwise". It makes me so fucking uncomfortable as someone who went through this more times than I wished and for some reason it became a fucking norm in BLs and people don't see anything wrong with it?????
Sure I enjoy reading smut but why do they have to keep writing it like that? Why can't there be normal consent? Why can't bottoms have great stamina too? Why do tops keep fucking and bottoms keep passing out???
Yeah, I know this has nothing to do with this story here but I kinda had to let it out xD
So mad I couldn’t help myself and read it instead of leaving it on my marinating roaster… It’s SO GOOD. Now I’m stuck waiting for a weekly chapters for, probably like, two years. It doesn’t even have a novel to binge and satisfy my curiosity
SAME this is crack cocaine i cant not hold myself back
I can’t believe I came back to this manhwa and reread the whole thing just to get a cliffhanger…. Should have waited for the chapters in s3 to build up
I know it used to be like that among nobility but still… I actually drew their family tree for that.
Luca is already a bit inbred. His grand-grandparents were siblings. So that makes his grandparents cousins and his parents 2nd cousins. And they want him engaged to the 3rd princess. Current emperor was Jonas’ uncle so that makes the princess his cousin. They want him engaged to his father’s 1st line cousin? Help Keep it in the family, amirite
…at least Luca pointed it out
At first Heiner just idealized the shit out of her and then, when she didn’t reach his deluded expectations, he thought that through the disillusionment, he saw the real her. But the truth is - even then, he still didn’t see her for who she was. He went to the other extreme and started to villainize her. The hole after every positive trait he was disappointed she lacked, he filled with a presumption of a negative one. So he never got to know the real her, he refused to ever see her as who she was. And yet, he was the one ridiculing the depth of her feelings and doubting her sincerity. Such an irony. She was the one who always stayed true to herself and her feelings, who naively but earnestly believed others, who accepted the blame, reflected on herself - and he was the one who kept lying to himself and justified himself through those lies.
And i can't blame him for it.....
Honestly, being tortured to oblivion and him viewing her like that is what saved him from turning traitor or possibly getting killed. He was stuck with that mindset for so long it messed up his mind.
WHAT HE NEEDS IS THERAPY
BADLY.
True, but I can still blame him. He tortured an innocent. He's accountable for that. If someone in our society had a hard life but hurts someones' to the point of them almost dying, they are held accountable. You many understand he needs therapy, but , in this story, he got accolades. He rose to the top. And I find so many in the comment section still don't blame him for choosing to hurt an innocent because he was hurt.
Don't worry, I'll blame him for the both of us.
To be honest I don’t necessarily hate Heiner, I can feel sorry for what he experienced in the past, while still holding him accountable for what he did to an innocent person (I don’t think that ignorance is an accomplice, you may disagree but that’s just my moral opinion). I didn’t say whether I blame him for being fucked up or nor. I can UNDERSTAND why he became that way, and I can also understand that he used her as something reminiscent of a goddess to keep himself sane. I’m not saying I don’t and that I blame him for that. It’s something his brain did to protect him, human brain deletes memories and creates a separate identities to protect us, idealizing something isn’t the most outlandish thing it can do. However, it’s just like I can understand a neglected, abused child can become a perpetrator or a serial killer. Still, I wouldn’t excuse his actions and wish for an abuser to end up with his victim just because I feel sorry for what he experienced in life.
Ah, don’t get me wrong though, I’m not coming after you, we all relate to characters in different ways. I just found it confusing how you jumped to defend Heiner and insinuated I don’t have understanding for his actions. I think I only stated how his feelings towards FL and the way he perceives them is messed up, I didn’t say that there is no excuse for it. I just thought it was a nice wake up call for him. The “you don’t know her” thing - because to start working on yourself you need to understand where you went wrong and he refused to look at himself critically, stuck in the blame for FL.
Thiiiiis. Like he broke her and she wanted to die, twice she tried. But still people are like feeling bad for him after all that. NGL I don't care about his backstory, why because of all the pain he inflicted on her. Honestly how is any of this her fault the ones to blame are her dad and those in power. Her being a woman and one of nobility was not gonna allow her to know what was going on. Her dad was not about to let her know and if she knew he would not let her do anything about it. She had not power then and no power now. The publice wanted someone to villiainise and blame she was the last one left so they all went for her.
Exactly.. Commenters want to hold her 'accountable' because she was ignorant of what happened.. They excuse her being treated cruelly because she was hated by the populace that hated her dad. What kind of f'd up thinking is that? Mob thinking, is what it is. If a hundred people hate an innocent person, does that make them guilty? It does not. Simple.
Yesss you and the commenter bellow brought out a point that’s been bothering me so much!!! What’s with the double standards? People become the way they are not only trough trauma but through their upbringing in general. They understand ML because of the his past but blame FL for being ignorant? She was ignorant because of the way she was brought up, just like ML became a shitty person because of the way he was brought up. She was sheltered by her father, and if you don’t see or suspect that anything is wrong with the world, you won’t actively search for the faults. Did they expect her to investigate her father who was so good to her and go against him? Plus the existence of nobility was normal back then. That’s why it was only after it fell that she realized how privileged she really was, and that maybe it wasn’t a good thing. Just like right now the existence of 1% billionaires is normal and maybe the society in a few hundreds years will look back at it and think - yeah it was kinda fucked up that people with so much power existed. The difference between ML and FL is: she never actively wanted anyone to suffer. And after being disillusioned and acknowledging the suffering that her father and nobility brought upon people, she realized her own ignorance and decided to work on herself to become a better person.
Woah, a civil discussion, im going to cry here
Also for more clarification, I don't blame the female lead, and in fact in full support of her leaving the male lead. Because i truly believe that the man is not in a good headspace right now to entertain a romantic relationship with her, especially, with his astronomically incorrect view of her.
On our current latest chapter, i can still see he hasn't dealt with his feelings properly just yet and still obsessed with the female lead.
But it's good that he knows what he did wasn't right and accepted that the female lead's need to be away from him.
Because he knows she is miserable when she's with him
It may have took her to suicide for him to see what he has done, but atleast he is trying to give her something to live for,
Just not with him in the picture.
The last 20-30 chapters are good. I don’t know if they are worth reading the 80 chapters before them though….
So if you’re snooping through the comments to decide whether to read it or not: the majority of the story is pretty childish and at moments insufferable. But it is a feel-good story, makes you feel attached to the characters that appear. As I said, the ending is well executed and I think it’s partially thanks to that attachment to the characters that everything comes together. If you like a bit pointless but warm stories, go for it.
And if you’re already reading it and started to get tired by the constant pointless side-quests: if you reached the chapter 70-80, then you might as well finish it. This is around the time the story starts to get interesting. But if you’re already considering dropping it at ch 20-30, then don’t bother, honestly. It’s not THAT worth it to last till the end.
Thank you so much .
this is such a helpful comment, thank you for this (●'◡'●)ﾉ
I can only really read like 5-10 chapters in one sitting and it’s… fine I guess? Feels like watching some fairy tale that I’m not an audience for lmao.
The curse of ML got revealed so early, that there was no suspense or anything. Boom, he’s handsome but he can’t know! I think I would prefer to be kept in the dark for a little longer. MLs and FLs feelings were also mutual from pretty much the very beginning. So the whole story feels like going through some random side quests you don’t care about and waiting for the main story to progress.
And it never does. I’m at ch70 - the only thing we learned about the curse since the day that FL found out about it is…. nothing. She has some hunch with that great sage from the past but that’s it, we literally learned NOTHING new since the chapter she had this vision of a demon(?) telling her to keep quiet. Feelings-wise they also haven’t made any progress at all. BUT - she did start a business, make her own currency, created a fake loan company, scammed a demon through a fake bank account, discovered a delivery-service, started a cult, became a live streamer, ….
If those side quests were at the very least interesting - had some intrigue, kept your interest, made you wonder how it will get resolved. But no, everything is ridiculously simple, like in children’s shows, literally. At first I found it funny how the manhwa was poking fun at capitalism, but the ways of capitalism that FL is using, and the issues she is trying to resolve, are shown in such a shallow way, oversimplified way. It feels like a parody.
It's overrated as hell, yes.
Every time I see another shitty father, who hates his child for “killing” his wife, I will be coming back here to feel the satisfaction of him admitting it to his wife’s face. It’s like wet dreams come true, I always thought that regret is not enough, I wanted them to see their wife’s reaction and feel their hate.
It’s been a while since I’ve read something so disgusting that it makes my guts turn and stings my chest. I love angst, I love to suffer when reading fiction but not when I can already tell that the character won’t get any justice and worse, it will all get dismissed, most likely. I only like it when the plot and the author acknowledges trauma as trauma and doesn’t try to make it all out to be a “kinky romance”. This shit seems like a backstory of a MC and a villain, who would hopefully get murdered as the story progresses and MC would later find a good partner who will love him and slowly heal his wounds. Like, no way in hell the “romance” is between those two, right? …Right? I feel like I already know the answer. Idgaf about that guy’s sad backstory, some serial killers have sad backstories too, he is a damn psycho ffs.
Please someone tell me he suffers and pays for what he did to that poor man. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶ Otherwise I really might have to drop this one, cause damn, it actually makes me sick to my stomach, in a literal sense.
you and me both