Heretic zeke's Topics (51)

They are at war. Everyone at war fight for different reasons, and it's really hard to say which one is right or wrong.
Those Marleyans or Eldians won't change if they keep being fed with stupid propaganda. Even after all the suffering, the Marleyan government still wants to get the titan? WTF. It's like they never grow up. To begin with, Eldians in Paradis Island probably wouldn't do anything if they were just left alone.
Personally I liked that that naive Gaby see that. Everyone in the world needs to know that there's always two sides of a coin, so they can then decide which one is better.

Marley is wrong. Period.

Lmao. You cleary dont know anything about history. MARLEY was a massive empire who ruled in harmony for 1'800 years. When ymir fritz made a deal with the devil and conquered marley, the Eldians slaughtered many races and demolished many cultures, it's estimated that the number of people eldians have killed is 3 x the number of living now.
After 1,700 years of oppression from the Eldians, the Marleyans rose up during the Great Titan War and won, subjugating most of Eldia's former territory, save for Paradis, and reestablishing Marley as a nation.
Eldians waged war against the Marleyans and many other nations, utterly destroying them and obtaining complete rule over the continental mainland.
Eldians have lost the war and started fighting themselves, later on they weakened themselves, thus, Karl fritz thought that eldians crimes are so heavy, so he moved them to paradise and deleted their memories.

Which means that you can't MARLEY IS WRONG because neither ELDIA is right or wrong. Both side are wrong and the strongest is one who will win.
If isayamama started to tell us the story from MARLEY's side, you'd be saying now Eldia is wrong lol.

I hope they decide to make peace after this war. Maybe titans power will be annihilate?.

Eldia WAS wrong.
Marley IS wrong.

That's the difference.

And we don't yet know how much of these stories are true, btw. They have been "revisioned" so far in the telling, depending on who is telling. Who is to say Willy was not lying or misinformed?

I don't know if the theme will be you can't make peace, only have a stand-off, or if somehow they will find a way to end Titan power and hence the fear of them. It will be interesting if the mangaka will go happy-ish ending or dark.

Eldia is still wrong because they removed their own people's memory, sent thousands to death in those survey corps missions to which only one man tried to stand right and that man was erwin. He knew about eldia and the titan being humans. His father was killed for knowing the truth about titans. Eldia is a corrupt nation. Example that priest who know the secret and hide it, eldia is controlled by the bourgeoisie who control the nation's wealth. And where the poor ones suffers, example the underground where poor ones are treated like shit. You can't deny that eldia is a corrupt nation. Eldia was wrong and is still wrong ( few only like erwin ) are good for standing against their government.

However, Marley is only trying to secure their nation since eldia is a potential threat, even if their ways are dirty( like killing hundreds by their titan power) segregating and discriminating against the eldians inside marley and threatening them like less than humans.

Conclusion, Eldia was and still is WRONG. Marley is now wrong.

Naws, these information are grey & neutral.

Same because the war seem endless and both sides are not innocents, only isayamama will know how to end it and I hope it won't be disappointing lol

http://attackontitan.wikia.com/wiki/Marley

In terms of how they treat OTHERS (ie, not their own, other nations and peoples and races), Marley is NOW wronger. It tried to take over the other countries and is still trying to destroy Paradis/all Eldians. It is still the imperialistic, racist, genocidal one.

And notice that while despising Titans, the Marleys both oppress them within and use them to oppress without (ie, fighting other nations that don't have Titans). They are the height of hypocrisy.

Marley have their enemies and sure the treat them inhumanly, however, they have many allies from other countries, example the chapter where it shows how diverse and open their nation is as it welcome other cultures ( there were black people, they ate tacos, Asian tribes etc...) I mean sure they are not good ones and still are imperialist. They treat their allies right and they demonize their enemies. My whole point is that they eldia is as wrong as marley.

I mean yeah lol. They use eldians within the walls to use their titan power and fight other nations because they hold the titan power which is a great strong weapon in the area

This is now. We saw previously how they were at war with everyone and used Titans against them. It's the Eldians that are a cooperating "enemy" focus. Without the Eldians to hate, they'd be at each others' throats again. The Marleyan gov't didn't bother to learn what Fritz did: stop fighting, live quietyly, etc.

How is the Eldian wrong?
The Eldians in the Marley country are brainwashed, enslaved, and forced to believe their kind is a curse and to kill each other.
The Eldians in Paradis Island are treated like toys: they release titans into their island to keep them trapped, or even worse, to kill them.
And then Marleyans send brainwashed Eldian kids to kill Eldians in Paradis Island.
What should the Eldians do to stop them then? Ask them nicely? No way in hell it's gonna happen. Those Marleyans bullies need a good punch in the face, to make them realize that they need to stop. Eren's attack is exactly that.

Sure, Marleyans WERE victims back then. But right now they are just assholes.
I don't see how Eldians are wrong right now.

Mind you, no race nor countries should be held responsible to what their ancestors did long time ago.
Especially since the Eldians already decided to separate themselves and did nothing.

Yeah, sure, the Eldians government is stupid and selfish and that needs to change. But the fact that the government is stupid and attacking Marleyans are two different things.
Eren is not a monster for attacking Marleyans -- it's a defense attack. Marleyans are not just trying to secure their own country, they just want more power and they try to achieve it in a very inhuman way.

Lol no one disagrees, eldian's government is corrupt,eldians were imperial genocidal murderous in the past, eldians fought everyone, then fought themselves hence weakened themselves and they are ready to start any war at any time, they have titans inside their walls, they lie at their own people, they send troops aka survey corps each time to go to some expedition to study titans while the govs already know about the titan's secret. Hundres of them died in vain.

Marley are a genocidal racist greedy empire that want more power and want to weaken their enemies and anyone that opposes them, they segregate against eldians in the most racist way in Marley, their ways are inhumane, they have superiority complex, they send children to war so yeah they are trash.

And both of these nation use the propaganda to strengthen the hate and nourish it...so how will the war end? And to when will this continue? Do you think eldia can win over MARLEY?

I mean imo both are trash.

Eren is trash. They are all trash smh. No one is innocent, all of them have blood on their hands, I understand Eden's motive are national and his reason is honorable yet he is stillt trash smh

That's a simplistic view.

Well, no one's perfect, honey. Ugly truth is everywhere IRL. You're gonna have a difficult time dealing with people if you think a little bit of flaws makes someone a trash :)

boi I know lol, eren is not someone, he is a fictional character, I intentional repeated that he is trash to tease you

I mean in a nutshell and it's fair enough

? i don't think that vest guy is one of them? the room was left ajar so it's probably some staff of one of the rooms they rented out.

oh i sound confusing. i mean, the door was left opened and the vest guy who looks like someone who manages the rooms/establishment walked in and saw them.

This makes more sense.

And this is when the other guy was getting beaten, not because they were shocked by the rape.

The panels were just weirdly placed but I don't think that's just it. It doesn't have anything to do with getting beaten or shocked by rape. As said before, the staff was from the outside. He only heard there's something going on because the door is opened. All before this, the door was shut and there was not enough noise to be heard from the corridor.
OFC once this was properly investigated the establishment will really knew what's going on so the rapists escaped when they saw the guy in vest.

Who's worse: the ones who knew the innocent people would be sacrificed, and had the chance to save them, or the one who falls into that trap?

Please be more explicit.. I'm confused... Who and who?

You think he's going to kill everyone in attendance? I honestly don't know his goal. But I doubt he'd stop by just killing Taybar... So he probably will just rampage... Wow, thats.... really something.

The guy up on the stage (the Taylor family or something) knew that Eren would attack. He purposefully put his entire family up on the stage and gathered the top brass knowing that it was more than likely they'd die.
Eren is the one who fell for the trap of attacking them and will basically reinforce the propaganda.

Ughhhhh!

IKR?? I mean Armin is already a loveable character on his

Own

Jean is the soldier who lead those two kids into the straw trap I bet on it

I agree with you on this and to make it more trustworthy, remember the ones who were near the mule titan when it took Zeke away were, levi, hanji and jean...and when piecke fell. In page one of chapter 100. She said she have seen that soldier in paradise. So it might be one of these 3, I believe. It's most likely jean now.

i legit did not think of any of that
dude