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in the novel there is, so theres a high chance it will be included in s2

Not even a kiss in s1??

Where can I read the novel and is the title still Semantic Error?

https://sleepytranslations.com/series/semantic-error/

It’s more a sadist thing actually. he’s aware that those feelings are wrong and bad and that’s why he sets up his contracts and relationships the way he does. Please understand words before you use them because a “psychopath” is a mental (antisocial) disorder in which an individual manifests amoral and antisocial behavior, shows a lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, expresses extreme egocentricity, and demonstrates a failure to learn from experience, etc. A sadist on the other hand tho is a person who derives pleasure, especially sexual gratification, from inflicting pain, humiliation, etc on others which fits him way more.

I agree with your distinction between "psychopath" and "sadist." I think that's where a lot of the mental conflict for our seme comes from. He IS quite able to feel love and affection, along with that comes guilt for wanting to hurt/sexually aroused by hurting someone he feels affection for.

Exactly. I do think he has some sort of feelings for our uke but because he realizes the uke wasn’t a masochist and didn’t enjoy the pain he was inflicting on him he felt extremely guilty that one he didn’t notice and two that he enjoyed it so much and that’s way he chose to walk away from the uke. Not because he doesn’t want to be with him but because he doesn’t think he’ll be able to control his desires and scares hurting the uke unintentionally.

Thank you for explaining! I think a lot of ppl misunderstood what happened. Even I reread some parts to understand it fully

But aren't sadist the normal people who enjoy and engage in bdsm??? Please educate me.

But it kinda freaked me out.he has both guilt and pleasure at the same time . He liked the fact that someone was driven by him to the point of killing himself. That means he liked that fact that he accepted the arranged marriage which turned his boyfriend mad.

At this rate he might do something to drive jawook emotional in order for jawook to hurt himself

Sadist come in all forms and different degrees just like how some masochist can handle different levels of pain and enjoy different levels of pain. There’s also a difference between sexual sadism and sexual sadism disorder. Sexual sadist enjoy infliction of physical or psychologic suffering (eg, humiliation, terror). But don’t do such things without the other person’s consent, people with the disorder on the other hand do such things with out the consent of others and is found in some murders and Kidnappers.

From what I understand the seme didn’t like that the guy lit himself on fire or tried off himself but he enjoyed the control he had of the guy and the pain he was able to inflict to easily. But even then he expressed and acknowledged that it made him feel like a shit human and that those thoughts weren’t okay. People that are sadist go through lots of guilt because of their kink because they understand their thoughts aren’t normal and feel bad that they want to hurt those they like and care about. The seme expressed that he doesn’t do things his bottoms don’t like and is scared that he’ll go to far and that’s why he broke it off with the uke because the uke obviously didn’t like the pain he was inflicting on him and there for it’s not an enjoyable situation for both and wasn’t good. But he also seems to have developed true feels for our uke which is causing a lot of conflict for him. He knows he can’t be in a relationship without being able to express his kink but also knows the uke isn’t an M and doesn’t want to hurt him unnecessarily.

Also I don’t think he necessarily liked the arrangement. I think he probably did do it in part to provoke his boyfriend but also I don’t think he had much of a choice either. I also don’t think he meant for it to cause such events to happen.

I don't know but he enjoyed seeing his ex on fire because of himself so mich that he got scared of himself

Like I said I don’t think enjoyed that he set himself on fire but enjoy the mental hold he had on this person and the control he held over them not the act that they did.

How about you actually read the story before classifying him as anything? Also I'm pretty sure even if he's a psychopath, there is nothing wrong with it. Since he'll be telling the uke about himself anyway. It's when he tries to manipulate him without telling him is pretty shitty...however, no one is telling you like Ilay. If you like the story, read it, and if you don't, read a story without a "psychopathic" seme. There are a ton of others... I'm pretty sure nobody thinks he's an angel lol. So idk why you wasted so much researching this.

I have a right to state my opinion. and several novel readers told me he's a psychopath. I didn't classify him on my own. His behaviours perfectly matches those of a psychopath. He also is a killer so I'm sure that is a high scale of psychopathy. I will read the manhwa if it psychologically explores this personality disorder but my problem is psychopathy in the context of romance . Ilay is too unbearable as a seme in romantic manhwa

Lol, the prejudice you hold against psychopaths is so funny XD you don't need to read this anymore if you're already getting this bent over him hahahaha
"Too unbearable" as opposed to whom? The uke will know exactly who he is and still fall for him for his own reasons....loving someone who doesn't understand love isn't an easy road. Hearing only bits and pieces of the story without context and declaring him as unbearable lol. Yeah, please go and read some "perfect and polite" shoujo hero's story and remember fictional psychopaths can't hurt you so don't be so afraid of them

as far as i can see in twitter the silver haired seme is very likeable by novel readers

Yeah exactly..he isn't flawless but he isn't unlikable lol. That's why you should read a story first before making such rash assumptions.

Jeez, I have read your other comments. This is a BL, it's not a non-love or a non-relationship where it focuses about psychology stuff. Not only did you keep complaining about "psychopath" but also "cheating" when there's no actual relationship here to begin with.
You complained about the seme sleep around and said bad stuff to him but you never thought of "slow burnt love"? He only finds the uke interesting, he doesn't actually love him yet tf. There's no relationship here. Even with the uke and the other guy. So what if the other guy slept with the seme? But you only blamed the seme? Tf.
Moreover, this is fiction, keep your Quora stuff to yourself, this ain't a psychology focused story.

I'm guessing you have never experienced persobal encounters with psychopath people

Then maybe it's a fictional inaccurate portrayal of psychopathy

How can it be a slow burnt love when psychopath can't feel love.... I read season 1 and I pretty much saw things which were intense and irredeemable: he killed multiple innocent people, lied, he is sadist, attempted rape (future chapter), slept with the guy uke was seeing whose name is shin and I blamed him as well, unlike your claim. At this rate it is like as if author wants to make psychopath semes a fetish or something.

The cheating part was about shin. Ilay just annoyed me since I said ,for personal reasons, that it saddens me when people sleep with others while simultaneously bearing some sort of fascination with other people. Btw ilay sex attitude matches those of psychopaths

Well i guess those people are the same people who cheer for characters such as minhuyk of legs that don't walk. A "hot" rapist who rape people in their sleep but is forgiven since he's hot.

Too bad, he ain't the only one who's crazy here. Even Shin is crazy.






Spoiler:
He threatened MC, kidnapped him, beat him up to make sure he follows him. The MC literally chose to be beside Ilay because even when he's bad he never hid the fact that he's bad meanwhile Shin keeps betraying MC's expectations and impressions.



Also, yes sleeping around is bed but again, THERE IS NO OFFICIAL RELATIONSHIP OR LOVE HERE. Shin is also obsessed with ILay, you keep complaining so god damn much even when someone else also gave you spoilers AND YOU COULDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE STORY

*is bad*

I hate ppl with that kind of mentality like you. Those who read BL or any other genre and start shit talking if someone sleeps around, have sex friends, ain't "clean", ain't "virgin" WHILE THERE'S NO OFFICIAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE MAIN CHARACTERS YET. For fuck sake, there are ppl like that even in real life, ofc they can sleep around when they're not in any official relationship, that's NOT CHEATING.

What the hell are you rambling about on and on and on . Are you a comment police? Who the hell are you to tell me about non committed relationships? You judged too blindly sweetcheeks. I understand and respect non committed relationships as long as they are consensual.
The case here is different. I don't know about the novel but season 1 of the manhwa shows a cute guy like shin who gives hope to mc and even fantasize about escaping island with him , yet he slept with ilay with the Stupid reason of keeping him away from mc. Even if this is not cheating it is definitely two timing and dishonesty. It's not a freaking fwb or sexfriend thing.

And ilay is portrayed as crazy fixated on mc: he forces a kiss on shin to catch attention of mc, he freaking kills people and blame it on mc .... then he sleeps with shin, i was dissapointed at first but now I know that ilay is psychopath I don't expect him to understand relationship codes.
I said seeing people sleep with people other than their current crush just saddens me , like I said before countless times, for personal reasons. But here you are BEING A BIG JUDGEMENTAL DRAMA QUEEN who thinks I disrespect non committed relationships and regard them as unclean. Be sure that I know more about them than you do Sweety

And you didn't read my other responses that have spoiler in it. Shin ain't even a good guy like you think he is, you're using your personal reasons to make a ton of comments complaining while not knowing the whole story. "I don't know about the novel but" and you weren't the one who commented asking ppl who gave you spoilers then decided to jump into your own conclusion of the story and the seme became of "personal reasons"? Then started making tons of comments to complain? Oh so you can ramble and pull out a fucking Quora but me talking to you can't?

Dude I personally feel that you should read the novel before talking shit about characters that the author put so much effort in writing. You should not judge him by just reading a few spoilers (●￣(ｴ)￣●)

Man, can you not come up with your own conclusions despite not actually reading the novel and tell people to not read it because the spoilers didn’t fit your personal morals? Also stop diagnosing the ml as a psychopath without actually reading the story, some readers just like to call him that. If the story doesn’t interest you then just don’t read it man, no need to comment everywhere that this webtoon is terrible if you didn’t read the whole thing yet.

That is your information out of nowhere. I didn't say shin is a good guy how did you interpret my English???
In the same manner you classified me as someone who disrespects people who have non committed relationships.

I would have liked it he was a psychopath since that way his reasons for committing those things could have been understood . What would you call someone who kills multiple innocent people and blame it on mc ? What would you call a guy Who purposefully sleeps with the[trashy] guy whom mc is seeing at the moment to make mc irritated???? He even attempted rape . If he's not suffering from a personality disorder then he's pure trash. Besides I have the right to Express my opinion about any manhwa. This is just a tiny thread of opinion about a little piece of work.

And you only focused on blaming the seme? Weren't you the one who talked like Shin is so poor, he's manipulated by that psychopath, Shin and MC's relationship is ruined by that psychopath? You're cleary as stubborn as ever. Even the one who talked to you under that whole ass essay of spoiler indirectly told you to not talk shit or assume while not knowing the whole story

What-
"I would have liked it he was a psychopath since that way his reasons for committing those things could have been understood" then proceeded to not understand his actions calling him a psychopath for doing insensitive actions because he has not fell in love with the MC yet. Being crazy has nothing to do with personality disorders also, if you think you can feel better if he has some sort of personality disorder then a friendly reminder, there are real life killers have that shit.
How many time do I have to remind you, there's no love nor official relationship here yet, when there's no love or emotions (both of them only start to realize/have feelings in fr season 3-4), him doing insensitive stuff is him being him. And even when he slept with Shin, you only targeted him for the blame while both knew about each other true nature?
"I have the right to express my opinions" so other and I can't express our rights to express our opinions about you huh? You made multiple comments, from the spoiler thread to your own comments, not only "this"

Oh yea since you're so stubborn and talking shit to the seme like you know him and the whole story. He does fall in love with the uke later on, he's the one who saves the uke from danger and from being kidnapped by Shin. He even quit his job in the military for the uke, not because his position has problems or anything but he just wants to do that for the uke. Meanwhile you're assuming a shit ton of nonsense, pulling out a fr Quora, using real life "psychopath" in a fr fiction, saying seme can't be "cured", keep fr talking about "cheating" topic

Uhh what. He killed people and blame it on mc? Sorry it’s been a while and I don’t remember that happening. And yes the fucker’s personality is honestly trashy at first but non-psychopath shitty people exist you know. And do you have to comment it that much? You’re wasting your time writing paragraphs and researching about psychopaths for a webtoon you didn’t even read or want to read.
I just don’t want you to spread misinformation when you reply (because you know, you’re biased af and you haven’t read the actual thing). I’m just suggesting that it would be better for all of us -you and the people who actually want to read this- if you just leave and go find another manhwa to read.

*sigh* can you just wait til' the story unfold?

Seeing all these replies and yours giving me headache dayumm. As Tina, Sad and Haze just said read the novel or wait til everything's unfold before you keep trash talking the seme.

Tina have you read the novel? can I have more spoiler (〜￣△￣)〜

They have HE, we won't see their relationship progress much until later (near the end) because both are stubborn and clueless of their own feelings. Once the seme realizes his feelings toward the uke, he just becomes possessive lol.

However, be prepared cz the uke in this story suffer a lot, especially physically

You're absolutely delusional when have i said shin is poor or got manipulated? I called him a freaking two timer i hate him

It's because he has painter of night seungo vibe ...a mental killer

Did you even see the "like"? Did you?

What- you clearly still hold on to your "personal reasons". Many ppl have commented and none is on your side (aka no one agree with your comments) and you lose the ability to "understand" because of your "personal reasons"
Hope you have a great life and realize the difference between fiction and real life, whatever trauma shit you ever have (if you even have one) has nothing to do with a fiction character for you to pull out a fr Quora and complaining. Especially when you don't even know the whole story of this fr fiction

Where you read the novel?

This is comment section. I can state my opinions. You are angry as if it was you who wrote this story.
I read season 1 , shin and seme annoyed me and I stayed my opinion. I still think seme has mental problems which make the romance too difficult

How could you forget those murders
Yes I have dropped reading this story fetishizing crazy murderer or pschos

"Weren't you the one who talked like shin is so poor and got manipulated by seme???? "
This was your sentence
I suggest you go and study English cause I think you're misunderstandings arise from that

Misinformation? Isn't shin a two timer? Isn't seme a murderer , cold' without feelings of guilt empathy? His attitudes towards sex is what made believe that he might be a psychopath

Pls, even other questioned your complaints as you went off writing a bunch of things about the seme while only read season 1. And duh, IT IS DIFFICULT, that's fr why it takes 3 more seasons for them to fall in love that's called "development", you expected them to fall in love that quickly? Moreover, weren't you the one who used Quora to say he can't be "cured"? While only read season 1 ffs.



And for the "like"
"Like
1: 'Like' can be used to give examples. It means the same as 'for example' and is usually followed by nouns or pronouns.
I love big cats, like lions.
Western European countries like France and Spain have high unemployment at the moment.
2: We can also use 'like' to talk about how one thing is similar to another thing. Here 'like' is a preposition and is followed by a noun or a pronoun.
John loves spicy food, like me.
Tokyo is a busy and exciting city, like London.
When we're talking about how things are similar, we often use 'like' with verbs such as 'look', 'sound' and 'smell'.
She looks like her mother.
It looks like rain.
That sounds like a car.
The kitchen smells like lemons.
Traditionally, 'like' needed to be followed by a noun. However, in modern English, we often use 'like' as a conjunction and so it is followed by a subject and a verb. Some people think this is not correct, but it's very common.
John loves spicy food, like I do."

I did not say you directly said that, I used "like" because your complaints literally sounded like you're saying whatever to prove your point (if you didn't look/comment under someone's spoiler then it'd be more understandable), even sound like you're victimizing Shin to make seme look bad as that's your main goal cz who the hell kept pressing the fact that "he cheated, he slept around, he ruined MC's relationship"??? It's you

The fucker murders but I don’t remember him framing it on the main character. Anyway good job, you dropped the story now drop the comment section and go read some vanilla story with no drama, no angst, all consented(honestly it’s hard to find non-fluff manhwas with consent these days. Can you or anyone else recommend me some?), fluff. You seem to like that.
Also yes. Misinformation. It may seem like it to you but note that you and your spoilers are/were very biased and uninformed. You haven’t even read the whole book and yet you’ve already based your conclusions on other spoilers, which again is fine on its own but not fine if you’re telling others things based on your speculation.
An unbiased spoiler wouldn’t have twist words but just contain information. For example, instead of saying that Shen Lu is a two timer you can say that Shen Lu has sex with Ilay when he and Taeui were in a situationship. That way people can come up with their own definitions on Shen Lu’s actions because not everyone considers that two timing.

I know it is 2023 but like my man, it's a story. The author or whatever may have simply wanted him to be a psychopath who falls in love. What's the deal? It's fake you mad for no reason, it's fiction and not all writings are top notch and true to actual disorders. People in movies smh get all their memories erased and this what you care about? Talking about how could the author done this and that like it's not that deep. Stop acting weird.

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Out of curiosity, what calendar system do you follow?

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