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I salute you, and I hope you can unattach from this story the same way I did. I came here expecting something along the lines of BJ Alex, which is not the greatest story and has an asshole but it kinda was redeemable, but I get here and I see that the only thing Mingwa (or however the author is called) just came with two ideas A jerk filled with muscles that had zero good qualities and Dan his doormat who will be used as a glory hole.
I reached a point where I didn't care anymore, I enter here once every three or four months to see where this is going, out of curiosity, but I'm not attached to it anymore, it has nothing good to be honest, not a single character in this story is good, even less the story itself.

Thank you for writing this! This is exactly how I feel about this whole bs but was to exhausted to actually write everything

Why do you keep reading it then lol

Right! The reason I've read it this long is because I had wished Dan stood up for himself instead of just taking it. He does live like a doormat, I get he's broken and sad that he's constantly I'm debt and has worked so so much just to live and make his grandma happy. That's hella stressful, but for someone trying to save money to spend so much on alcohol and cigarettes is kinda... Inconsistent. Dan really loves his grandma, and probably doesn't value himself, but values how his grandma sees him enough. Like... Is he ONLY living for his grandma? Does he not have anything to live for? Yet, he has this pride to pay off his debt still... If he's going to just live until his grandma died, why still pay his debt?

He told JK that he treats him like a glory hole, yet does just that. It makes me feel like this whole time him continuing to wire money to JK means nothing when he WILLINGLY made himself into a glory hole again; that, to me, is inconsistent pride. it doesn't make sense to me. I wanted Dan to have a glow up and I wanted him to truly make JK feel like utter shit.

Dan sleeping with him and stubbornly biting his lip and failing miserably at mind over body not letting his body win at feeling pleasure--just taking it AGAIN-- Is just.. Sigh. It makes me sad and disappointed. To me, the writing failed at him truly caving and being a rag doll not giving JK the sense that he conquered him; failed to make the impression that JK feeling like he hasn't really won him over, isn't good development to me. Jk hates to lose, and losing to Dan isn't punishment enough for his nasty ass attitude imo.

I wanted JK to set his fucking pride away at this point, and have SOME change of heart by now. But he's still stubborn and is going to become the hero that saves the damsel in distress--Dan-- and Dan will have Zero glow up because he's going to be saved. Saved from his awful life instead of actually standing up for himself. If he continued to say no, it would be at least some or a little glow up, but he easily was like, "okay... I'm a glory hole still..." His pride felt inconsistent to me. It felt like the author just wanted to put a smut scene to keep readers interested. It felt like lazy writing.

At least with BJ Alex, Alex felt like shit as soon as the MC decided to leave and his inner dialogue showed it. He was prideful for like a second, and was like... "Well let me just sleep with him one more time to test if it's just the lack of sex with him that's bugging me." But he genuinely felt bad and was already showing signs of character development by the time the MC was like, "fine. Let's sleep together ONCE." The MC's pride in hiding his face made sense to me.

Yeah yeah, it isn't my story, but that doesn't mean that as a reader I don't have the right to not feel disappointed or have thoughts and feelings about a story.

Thats why many continue to just read it because we are curious if Minghwa will fix her wiring and give Dan a glow up/character development. Jaekyung just saving him feels like it isn't fixing his stupid ass temper and stubbornness because Dan just caves to his tantrums.

I think JK is well written in the asshole that he is, but it's the way Dan is written that makes it bleh to me.

Sorry everyone for the long reply.

EXACTLY BRUH!!

I realized this part didn't make sense, so let me rewrite it. Sorry for my Grammer errors. It's 4am, I'm tired, and I can't sleep.

"Dan sleeping with him, stubbornly biting his lip, and failing miserably at 'mind over body' by not letting his body win at feeling pleasure... Is just.. Sigh."

If he truly sat there and put zero effort... I think would have made it better. If he sat there and was 100% limp with zero facial expression during sex, it would have been better because at least he truly isn't letting JK win at even giving him pleasure.

maybe bc free will? maybe bc they want to know the end? this shouldnt be surprising people hate on what mfs water down to "toxic bl"

You are so incredibly right it almost hurts me. Dan's condition has not been portrayed right, although we should have known it wouldn't be ever since the author began romanticising coerced sex from the very beginning.

I disagree with one thing though. Jaekyung's fall from grace, his reputation going to shit, and his gym being deserted is the ultimate punishment for him. He has been manically obsessing over the championship as if he connects the entirety of his worth to it. To him, it's everything. He has dedicated his body and mind to it, resorting to measures that span the surface of extremity (e.g. When he was losing weight to fit in the lightweight distribution category, his health deteriorating). You can see how easily he spends a fortune on repaying Dan's debt to benefit himself by having him beside him 24/7.

We can visibly see in multiple instances how his obsession with the winning title has hindered his relationship with others and caused him to act erratically despite his will. It makes him dysfunctional. We see, for example, how terribly he treats his gym buddies, how infuriated he becomes when someone threatens or diminishes his championship, how seemingly ungratefully he behaves upon being gifted an expensive keychain for his birthday.

Do you know why he threw it away? It really wasn't because he was ungrateful, I'll tell you that. You can see how worried he was about Dan's condition (who was overexerting himself by taking up multiple side gigs to afford the present) before learning the reason behind it. He was relying on Dan's treatment to preserve his position, and upon learning that the reason why Dan was underpeforming was for something as miniscule as his birthday, in comparison to his grand title, he snapped. His title was threatened due to Dan's "misbehaviour". You can see through the events that transpired before that (Jaekyung getting drunk off of a singular alcohol shot) that Jaekyung was earnestly concerned about Dan's condition.

Now I admit, we should have seen Jaekyung descend into a vicious cycle of emotional distress in a more appropriate way. It was imperative that his recuperation was portrayed more realistically for his circumstances. It was uncharacteristic of him to start drinking his heart off; The championship is so important to him that he'd still take care of his body and try to reclaim it, alongside his worth. Jaekyung is ill, and he likely suffers from OCD. Being stripped of the winning position, as cliché as it seems, is the most important punishment. Because he placed it above everyone and everything else, be it Dan, his coach, his gym buddies, and his own self.

Oh yes, this part I definitely agree with you. I meant, in the now when he Dan just brushed brushed him off and walked away after having only one round, isn't even more punishment enough.

I do agree him losing everything, from his title to his reputation, and the respect from the gym buddies is definitely appropriate enough.
He did bounce back though and started training as soon as he could, and I agree Dan was careless for working extra and giving him a gift.

I didn't necessarily blame JK, just that his stupid temper just made it so he didn't communicate well and instead, hurt Dan even more.

I love how all the paragraph girlies are summoned in this comment section!!

You're welcome!

Ehem...alrighty.
1) Dan never drank unless he was with the boys. When he's home, he didn't drink with Jae.

2)Imma be blunt. No rape actually happened. Embarrassing things has happened and force, but the contract was 5k per night + on call no matter what. Overtime, the rules did shift. Dan told him he wasn't a virgin. Jae also told him before their contract that he could leave and stick to being his PT if he wants and he wouldn't stop him. The contract was made and both agreed to the terms, everything goes from there.

3)Dan sleep walking shows that despite needing rest, his fear of his only family dying and leaving him alone scares him so much his mind automatically takes him to his job. It shows how alone and terrified he is.

4) Yes. In this world, nothing is original, everything has its own version. I'm not sure how to say this, but everything and anything you read is not original. Even the great Shakespeare is not original.

5) The sex in 64 is "symbolic" as Jae does his best to be intimate with Dan while Dan is there fore the pay; Contrast to how it was in the beginning where Jae did the deed and left. This time, Jae even went as far as doing "head" because he wanted Dan to feel just as good. Note, he's never done head before Dan. Constantly trying to kiss Dan and see his expression, Jae wasn't there for the Jinx. Jae also never asks for 2nds. Overtime, he became more intimate (when he initiated the first kiss back in like epsiode...10-15).

Dude if you hate this so much, drop the damn story and stop making excuses(〜￣△￣)〜

That's what I'M saying

PREACH

I explained my reasons in my comment, but that's just me.

Giiiiiiiirl !!! I found my people !!

What are your thoughts?

1. I explained a bit more in my long comment, I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it. :)

2. I'd just like to say that I agree with your statement about there being a contract, but contract or not, as soon as someone says no, consent goes out the window. And Dan has expressed multiple times to have JK stop. But, ya know... I understand that in some Asian countries, it's a kink to have the partner beg for mercy and such.
If JK respected Dan saying no or to slow down, simply just deduct his pay. I think that would have been the better option. But that's just me.

3. I expanded more on this and how it's a little inconsistent, again in my comment. Let me know what you think.

4. Agreed, nothing is original, but we who dislike the story wished that it would have had more differences instead of the same rhetoric. I still Joe that Dan gets a glow up and stands up for himself, and that JK learns to be kinder and controls his temper. I don't want him to save the damsel in distress, Dan. Dan should save himself, imo.

5. I agree that for JK, this is all about winning in EVERYTHING and him not winning Dan on pretty much going for a second round is kinda meh... If Dan had a stronger mind and instead had no sexual reaction to JK having sex with him would have been better instead of cumming multiple times. If Dan's mind was stronger than his body, it would have been cool, imo. It seemed to me that both were just throwing a tantrum.

Not the typical, "nothing is original" argument. Of course nothing is original, but there's always a little spin on things, which this story fails to do. On top of that, it's written POORLY, as opposed to other stories, that's why its unoriginality is painful! It's writing itself like it's complicated and so complex, when it just isn't. We know where this is heading, and it isn't a good solution to their problem, that's why it's bad.

Also, AGAIN, the sleepwalking side plot isn't good because it's THAT DANGEROUS. Nobody is taking that shit seriously enough, so it leaves me to think, "are these guys just fine with it?" Dan almost KILLED HIMSELF. BY ACCIDENT. And he didn't have a reaction to it, which is dumb because Dan doesn't show enough signs of being suicidal for that! They could've built it up, but they didn't, so it feels redundant. Dan has something to live for, his grandma for one thing, and repaying Jaekyung. Maybe if his grandma died, it would make sense, but she didn't. You can't hand me the story's reasoning for sleepwalking, and not address how out of place it is STORY wise. You can say this story is written well, then give me a brief description, but a manhwa/manga/comic is MORE than just words. It needs to have good pacing, good story, good choice of drawing to CONVEY what the point is. Time and time again this story fails to do that.

1. They fail to build ANYTHING.
2. They're pacing is all off because they keep wanting to introduce stuff without building anything. And the one thing they keep building is prolonged for SO LONG, that it's both annoying and boring.
3. They just suck at conveying the severity of the issue in their drawings. I mean, if this guy is really depressed, show me. It's like this author has never experienced drinking. I've seen people refer to drugs, alcohol, smoking. They don't relay it correctly. At least show me a hungover Dan. A drunk Dan. A Dan who is struggling because he needs a drink. SOMETHING. Like another commenter said, his urgency to drink just doesn't exist enough to excuse how much money he is spending on the bottles. Inconsistency at its finest.


Also, also, also, I can't believe people are pulling out the, "why are you reading this then?" WHAT. I read it because I'm curious. Believe it or not, I loved this story at the beginning. A whopping 5 stars, can you believe it? Forgive me for wanting to see the outcome of this thing. I've been here from basically chapter 3. I've been here from the dawn of time, I'm sticking until this thing finishes. Lol

And dude, as for the sex, no! Again, a failure to build up. Jaekyung DOESN'T CARE about Dan. Of course, the story is trying to write it that way, but when time and time again, Jaekyung fails to improve himself when it counts, when he should've ALREADY learned, it makes me think he hasn't changed at all. He has plenty of chances and hasn't taken it. He followed Dan like a creep just to have sex with him. He constantly harasses him, too. It's disgusting. That's why him kissing and giving Dan head during the sex scene ALSO falls redundant. Rather than a kind gesture on Jaekyung's part like it was supposed to be, it comes off selfish. He did it because he can, or at least that's my take away because THAT’S WHAT HE'S ALWAYS DOING.

I don't know what's with this authors problem with not taking opportunities they built for themselves. They just refuse to let Jaekyung learn a life lesson, I mean damn.

I like long comments. Gives me something to read while I wait.

About the "nothing is original", I wasn't trying to make an argument. I didn't understand why originality is an issue when everything derived from something. It didn't make sense to fret over that.

Something is bad because...it's dangerous? People did talk about the sleepwalking, however, it was most likely drowned out by the Jae-hate comments. There was a fascinating conversation about why he started sleepwalking and what caused it.

What I've noticed reading this story is that everything changes weather is subtly or extremely. Dan had a back bone since the beginning. He told his boss to leave him be before untimely getting both fired and blacklisted. So now he's careful. After a while, he was even strong enough to leave. Jaekyung was your average muscle head and didn't think much about a lot of things, but his first thoughts were of Dan (albeit for alternative reasons) when they first started working together. Their chemistry started to be notice when Dan moved in. Jaekyung used his power to give Dan a better life in an "exchange" ofc, but that's the starting point. Heesung even pointed it out.

Asking why someone is reading something they hate is not an unusual question. I'm unsure why so many take offense. If you demonstrate nothing but hatred and negativity every epsiode, why would you be surprised that people would question if you like the story? You can criticize but there's a different between criticism and hate. They are not one in the same. That's all I'm saying for that.

The sexual chemistry built up very early when Jaekyung started taking advice from a doctor and from a legit movie. When he was drunk, it showed his true self. You have to also realize this is still 18+ , so ofc, there's just gonna be sex to meet quota. Compare epsiode 4 to 64. Their first time vs the first reunion. Jae is stubborn and everyone knows that. He has a hard time expressing himself without aggression. Example: giving his coat to Dan because he didn't want him to take anyone else's. (⌒▽⌒)

There is a lot but many either overlook or refuse to read the story as it is, but instead treat it like a tragedy in a realistic setting. It's still fiction regardless of how it's written. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

(I will look through and read through your thoughts a bit later :))

2) I forget that "resistant" is a type of fetish. And a common one in Asia (based on the media there). Jaekyung is too prideful and mostly thought of himself and the body language the 2 had together. When he did listen to Dan's commands (when they went to America and when Jae was drunk), it was romantic and sweet, won't lie. But it does get overlooked. Even when they had sex on the couch, it seemed mutual (during the movie).

4) I can see that. However, I'm pretty sure you and I together could name 10 manwha with the same guys (ML with the same face and status) with different names that have the same premise but like. Currently, I'm also reading "Part Time Gig" and that's the same premise but different name but the build up is different (and funny). If you only see the worse in things, you'll never see why people like it. Jinx is about an insecure rich guy who finds his match but is to prideful to notice that. That's the best way to summarize it.

5. Dan has been pretty strong (I mean, look at his life before Jae). The only reason he looks like he's a doormat is because he does feel indebted to Jae for changing his life for the better. Not many people would go from homelessness to living in a penthouse in the same day on top of having everything paid off. In epsiode 4(I believe), after their first night, Dan did stop taking calls and avoided Jaekyung for a while. But Dan realized he's not in the position to deny that money. Which is fair to say, unfortunately. In epsiode 23, Dan conforted Jae about not calling for fake emergencies and Jae reluctantly obliged. Dan's always had a backbone but he's also not used to the life he now has.

It's like you refuse to understand the points I'm trying to make. Unoriginality only works if it's written simple or sweet, especially if you have no original twist to it. In this case, it WRITES like it's complex when it isn't. That's what's annoying. They drag it on, adding more unnecessary plot points just to lead to the same annoying outcome. Maybe if it was half the length, it would be nice, but we're stuck in the same place with barely any sign of advancements to the story.

And the sleepwalking is bad because IT'S SEVERE. It's just a plot point because they wanted Dan to suffer more, NOTHING ELSE. They could deliver the same message without the sleepwalking bit. Adding the sleepwalking bit without acknowledging the severity of the sleepwalking just makes everything feel stupid. Mental health issues can be conveyed other ways. It was good enough already with Dan suffering through drinking and sleeping problems. To feel the need to add something else just tells me "those problem aren't serious enough." It's stupid.

And again, the sexual built up in previous sex scenes (aka the drunk Jaekyung scene) falls REDUNDANT because they DIDN'T ADD ANYTHING AFTER THAT. Jaekyung has had opportunity to show his "true inner kindness" like he had shown when drunk, but we have never been shown that after the fact. As an author, you can't show him being an asshole most of the time, then randomly have him being nice and expect me to think he's actually kind. One simple act of kindness doesn't make someone a good person. That's what this story fails to realize. I don't believe the kisses he gives Dan because the chapters in-between sex hasn't built it up. I don't know how else to explain it. It's written poorly after chapter 30. I LOVED the story up to a point, but they keep dragging it on and losing what they had.

No I hear you, I'm to the point.
"My arm hurts when I do this!"
"Then don't do that."
"You don't understand!"

What?

Again, the originality part, I said that because I see no point of that being a complaint. That's all. Mingwa as put her own idea into it, just not many like it. Part-time gig? Kid you not, bar to bar it terns of storyline. MC lives in shitty neighborhood running from lone sharks while paying debt from family members. Sounds familiar? Rich guy is cold, feels untouchable and sleeps around. Sounds familiar? MC goes homesless and gets beat up by lone sharks. Sounds familiar? ML pity MC and moves MC in with him. Sounds familiar? There are SO many Manwha that shared their homework but changed it a bit. In Jinx, they have a contract, PTG, they...oh. well they split off after 15. You don't have to like Mingwa's take on this trope. You can read Part-Time Gig if you want a funnier twist of this trope. Everything is faster because its shorter, though.

Saying "Sleepwalking is bad because it's severe" is like saying "choking is bad, because you'll die." We know that. They are handling it. It is sad that the elders can't do too much because of their own problems but it does indicate that they try to keep him safe when he's doing that. After all, it seems he doesn't realize he does it because if his confusion when Jae conforted him about the ocean incident. When someone does that, you do have to keep a closer eye on the person. Jae is a light sleeper (as established), so he'll be able to catch Dan when he walks off. Now with the info he was given, he'll do his part and curve this behavior. I cannot understand tour logic on this.

Dan has had his grandmother all his life. She's dying and he'll be alone. What do you mean more suffering? He's been going through it. But its worse because his days are numbered with his grandmother and he wanted to be next to her 24/7 until the day comes. I understand how severe sleepwalking is. Mingwa too. That's why she wrote it in. Mingwa doesn't just write things she doesn't full understand (example, Jae's ears are like that becauses he's in MMA and the constant trauma blown to his head).

The sexual encounters (the "positive" ones) actually shows their unspoken feelings towards one another. It's also the reason why Jaekyung is desperate to find Danny and be with him. His Jinx actually shifted.

You can't say you want my opinion but get upset that I don't agree.

I don't refuse anything, I just don't agree with some of your takes. That's not refusal.

I'M TALKING A NARRATIVE STANDPOINT. The sleepwalking UNDERMINES the severity of Dan's mental health!!! The story works better WITHOUT IT. I was feeling bad for Dan a little bit without his "loneliness" bit, but all of a sudden he's sleepwalking? It just takes away it all. That has nothing to do with what was happening. There's so many other direction they could've taken it, but they chose that. There's alcohol poisoning, being so uncaring with his health, etc. Sleepwalking is so out of left field. Even if you give me a million reasons why it exists, why the author is telling you it exists, it doesn't matter because it is STILL out of place! I'm not saying she could've never added it, but if you're going to add something, you need some kind of build up. We had no build up with this. We were left off on Dan saying he was lonely. It could've worked better if Dan was actually considering killing himself instead of this weird sleepwalking side plot. You can say it fits by giving me a description, but if the story, with words and drawing BOTH, fails to deliver this to be and have me BELIEVE IT, then it didn't work!

And even still, you're bringing up AFTER the fact. After the sleepwalking was introduced and the manhwa's explanation for it. But matter of the fact, the INTRODUCTION to the idea was terrible. There was no build up, he shock factor didn't work because you already knew what was going to happen (Jaekyung showing up), and the shock of Dan sleeping in the first place wasn't good because it just confused me. I was shocked because I thought Dan was killing himself, but no, he's just sleeping? The hell?

So, what I'm saying, is that the introduction to the sleepwalking was bad because it's so severe, you need build up to it. That kind of shit doesn't just HAPPEN to you. It gives me a bad message. Dan's mental health problems were already bad enough, it doesn't need a pick-me-up.

And I'm saying it's unoriginal in its SOLUTION. I've said countless times that I LOVED the story in the beginning. The stuff with the loansharks and his deal with Jaekyung was GOOD. THAT WAS ORIGINAL. This current stuff with Jaekyung slowly learning about Dan and suddenly gaining kindness isn't. And you bring up previous sex situations and very SMALL instances where Jaekyung is kind to make a point, but in the grand scheme of things, it just isn't enough! Even when alone, he's given me the impression that being rude and selfish is in his core. One instance of being nice doesn't make you good!!! Should I say that louder? This is literally the main point that makes everyone HATE Jaekyung. Why everything think he's irredeemable. Because we've just been shown, even if they tell us he's a good person in his core, we have been shown TIME AND TIME AGAIN, that that just isn't true.

Babe you're a true reader of this manhwa. You summarized the whole plot just as easy as this. A round of applause to you..I read all your comments here,I agree.

I respect your opinion OP,I really do.

ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~ Thank you!

It was hinted when people pointed out how unhealthy Dan look and Dan's body aching. I also believe that one if the nurse mentions how Dan is there everyday for long periods of time.

It was hinted. Mingwa takes subtle routes.
But we can move past that. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Agree to disagree

That's my point. They're trying to give me the idea that Dan is going to eventually "kill himself at this point" but refuse to show sign of that. That's why the subtle scenes don't work. That's why the story is frustrating. It makes the story prolonged and feeling like it's going nowhere. The author can write what she knows how to write (which is subtlety), but when the situation doesn't call for it, it doesn't work.

I can concede to a few of your points, but the terrible writing that transpired after chapter 33 is not one of them. It's a fact. This is bad writing. A huge sum of people hating the story is sign enough. The story is good on paper, the execution was god awful. That's why you make it sound so good when the reading experience wasn't.

If that's what you truly believe, then who am I to say otherwise? I do hope you one day read this manhwa when you get older (minds evolve every year). Maybe then, you can share other things you notice. (=・ω・=)

The writing isn't bad because people are still coming to it. It's just not going the direction readers here are hoping for. This manwha does seem slower because it's longer and most BL manwha are done by 60-80 episodes (look at 10 BL Manwha that are finished. How many of the 10 are over 80?) So I get the dread in length. I do believe this will possibly be one of the few that hits 100+ since Mingwa was to make sure things are fleshed out. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

This was fairly nice. I do see some of points and others I don't, but all knowledge is good knowledge. ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

I'm a complete adult. ToT. What a back-handed sentence. I've noticed everything there is to notice, there isn't anything I'm missing. I get all the hints the author is trying to give, and I'm still saying it's bad. The EXECUTION was bad.

And no, no, AND no. Yes, people are upset because it's not going in the direction they wish, but also they HATE JAEKYUNG. You're probably going to tell me, "that's the point." But all your arguments prove otherwise! You keep telling me the author has hinted Jaekyung is a good person, but why does nobody in the comments share the sentiment? Could it be because he's gone too far COUNTLESS times and still, at CHAPTER 60+, barely shows signs of changing? The rating in this story speaks for itself.

And also, I've read way too many stories from so long ago. I was there in the original old toxic yaois. I've read all the long ones. I've read shit that lasts hundreds of chapters. And STILL, this remains a story that is prolonged. Either this story is going to be unnecessarily long to build up to Jaekyung's redemption (which is painfully slow and boring), or they're going to rush it and make me not believe it for a second. I'm leaning on the latter, but maybe it'll surprise me. I still don't think either option is good, anyway.

And back to old toxic yaoi, Jinx uses quite possibly the WORST cliche yaoi lines. It's cringey. That's it. You can admit that much. The lines Jaekyung was using during sex was giving me so much second-hand embarrassment. And here, lesson on originality. What WOULD'VE been original about that sex scene, Dan could've ABSOLUTELY clapped back on that stupid sex talk. I would've loved it. That's why I loved the beginning chapters so much, Dan was cool and strong. I know he's going through it and that's why he's become extremely depressed now. However, I wished his anger for Jaekyung triumphed his sadness. It would've been interesting to see. The author almost has it, I will give it to her! Like him fighting to reduse giving Jaekyung's service. I SEE THAT. But I really wanted to see it during the sex, where it was most important.

And as much as I'm getting heated arguing, I will admit this is quite fun LOL. I feel like I understand the story way better to see everyone's points. I mean, from how you write it, I can see how you enjoy it. But I guess the in-betweens bother me too much to ignore. >_>

I wasn't trying to be backhanded. I apologize. I'm also an adult, but the way I thought last year isn't the same I think this year. We always evolve ╮(￣▽￣)╭.

Assuming what I'll say is how you'll trap yourself in an echo chamber. Allow me to share my thoughts without a pre-written conversation you assume we'll have.(￣∇￣")

Honestly, this doesn't feel like a conversation anymore. It feels more like rambling as you are pulling us back to the circle（￣へ￣).

I already said we should agree to disagree, not because I'm in a corner, but because you are using the same points. Points I already addressed multiple times. Jae's an ass and it's established. Now it's reforming. Now we watch. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶ Never said he was good. Said he was layered.

I don't understand getting heated over this, especially since we're just sharing opinions. Perhaps deep down you want me to wholeheartedly agree, but some points I can't? I'm unsure, that's what I get from this. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

At the end of it all, I simply wish you could enjoy the manwha for what it is; positive and negative aspects (●'◡'●)ﾉ! And if not, it's all good ! Just understand why avid readers will always question why you read this if you hate it.

I kept these short because I genuinely feel like we have been in circles ╮(￣▽￣)╭.

I have rambled because you take points I've made and used them incorrectly. I repeat because I'm clarifying, hey, I'm not saying THAT, I'm saying THIS.

I hate the writing, I don't hate the concept. Writing, the writing is bad. Writing, writing, writing. I am repeating myself because the bad writing isn't being acknowledged. Maybe you'll reread it and you'll see it. It doesn't flow well. It's all extreme and all over the place.

Yes, I suppose agree to disagree. The messages of this story are disgusting and distasteful. She must really work to fix it. Because it isn't a good direction, something like Jaekyung isn't redeemable. The story isnt progressing, its broken. She ruined what she had, and its painful to see. Lazy writing, is truly what it is. It refuses to show and just keeps "telling" me what to believe. People like you believe it, I guess.

Hey, I think the person you're talking to is acknowledging to a certain degree in the sense that they don't believe it's bad writing. I think it is bad writing, but that's just my opinion. I think we have to be careful with this sort of stuff. Just because WE see it that way, doesn't make it fact.

We can have certain points such as inconsistencies, but that may appeal to other people, thus making it not bad writing. It's just not my cup of tea.

I've already mentioned why I dislike the story, but that's just my opinion, and that other person has their own opinion and such on it.

I agree with you

I agree with you that we should be careful and respect each other's boundaries. You're right,maybe it's not your cup of tea that's why you're not into it.

I love so many stories, like TGCF, and they get a lot of hate... It's sad. It drives me nuts when people say "it's bad writing" when there are literally millions of people that would disagree and love the story. The haters find the characters dull, boring, 2D etc... It boils my blood because they make it sound like it's a fact, when art and writing is a very subjective experience.

2. Personally, I did not find it romantic at all. It seems like JK was only satisfying his own pleasures.. maybe a little bit of Dan's, but I did not see anything romantic about that because you can have sex with someone and not have it be romantic, and have the best sex of your life. But that's just how I think.

4. I do agree that many concepts are very recycled, and I think when you recycle certain stories and you make them somewhat more original it makes it much more enjoyable, But when she is literally using The exact same Concepts that were used for her previous story The originality just Goes out the window, in my opinion. As far as I can see, I don't think JK is necessarily insecure, mainly because we haven't been shown that he is insecure. I think he just has a very big ego and has a lot of pride, he hates to lose.. there's nothing wrong with not wanting to lose and always wanting to win, but the way he comes off as an asshole is really fucking frustrating.
With very long stories, you can keep a pretty good pace and still have the plot developed.

I think the author, in this case, is wanting to put many different concepts into a story, but is not fleshing them out very neatly. I think I already explained previously a few of my points as to why I think that way. Which, I think is very interesting because she already created a story previously that used a lot of these different concepts.. well, recycled Concepts, but I would have thought that she would come up with something a little bit more original, especially after having BJ Alex as her big hit. And even if she didn't like certain things from BJ Alex, I think she could have thought a little better of how to write or bring up, and flesh out certain recycled concepts. I have a really good friend that really likes the story, and she has mentioned that it seems like jinx is what the author originally wanted BJ Alex to be, but I think that story was well conveyed. It didn't feel like there was random things thrown.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Again, I respect your opinion. It's all about personal experience and what one would have liked or likes about a story. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

I'm curious on what you'd like to see from Dan, moving forward in this story? What would be a break it for you? What would make this story even better for you? :)

I'm curious to know what you would like to see from Dan, moving forward in the story? What would make or break it for you?
What tropes do you dislike?

I think the current dan is what I personally dislike, he has tropes that just... Frustrate me. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

In your point 5: I'm curious to know what you would like to see from Dan, moving forward in the story? What would make or break it for you?
What tropes do you dislike?

I think the current dan is what I personally dislike, he has tropes that just... Frustrate me. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Thank you for being civil. I'm a fan of Jinx and Jaekyung but I accept criticism like this,if that criticism is like this. Yes,Jk is egoistic and full of pride. I listened to @ Doppye and I agree with how he explained everything. I also like and respect your comments. People can share their thoughts without being rude. If we only talk like this,we can understand each other more

It takes a lot to break for me. The MC from Critical Point is an example of a character who would break me, but I'm patient enough to see where it all goes at the end.

For Dan, what would break me would possibly be continuing down a darker path. Though he has went back to drinking, I believe smoking and self-harm will do it. That was also my peeve with Bum from Killing Stalking. It's a weird peeve of mine. I truly enjoy underdog stories where someone who started from the bottom survives it all and overcomes the obstacles rather than succumbing to them.

What would make the story better? I'm a bias, but I do enjoy funny moments and I find myself occasionally laughing at the antics these guys went through at times!

Maybe a bit more of comedic scenes. I know in Part-Time Gig, the author literally made a gag of the MC and ML meeting literally everywhere and even them pointing out how they conveniently meet everywhere for the first few chapters.

Currently, I'm indifferent with this Dan. I get he has been going through it and heartache and all, however, I suppose due to my lack in experience with those types of feelings, I don't have much of a reaction to him going through it. I understand it, just don't have much care for it honestly. (￣ ³￣)

What would probably change my mindset would be seeing him overcoming his trauma and grief, turning a new leaf. He could be bitter, he could be kind and happy, he could be jaded, anything but miserable and sad. I don't mind a bittersweet turn of events. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I did wish that he'd be able to breathe properly moving away, but I suppose it would make sense for someone who was just heartbroken to take sometime to recover then relapse when the person who broke that said person's heart is around.(⌒▽⌒)

Thank you ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶.

I do wish more people were civil! You can dislike something and continue reading, but hate is strong and isn't something most should use lightly.

Ah thank you! I believe I forgot to look at your points! I got lost in the sauce

Agreed.

Thank you for sharing! (There's a lot I replied to lol)
I guess afterwards, I'll look at BJ Alex and make the comparison since I can't say much about that! ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

I do think it started with satisfaction until his interaction with Jumin (the guy from his past) manage to rattle him up. Not only that, we started seeing Jae more focused on studying move sets so intensely that he didn't even realize Dan was around. When he lost or tied, he really felt the weight. Even his dreams (before/after Dan left I think) even pointed out how he's still the kid who was allegedly bullied. Think satisfaction switched up around...maybe Jae's drunk moment? Maybe. But yeah I could see where you wouldn't see the love ╮(￣▽￣)╭

No it's alright! As along as we continue to move forward!

Your comment left me very confused. The one who tried to rape his friend is the alpha, and the tallest one is the omega but he likes to be on top!

this is EXACTLY how I feel too

Couldn’t agree more. People really happy with just crumbs these days sayingJaekyung secretly green flag like, hello??? Do they even know what a green flag is? I’m honestly just here to see how bad it gets and people shitting on him

Don't worry babe Im pretty sure it's just the drug talking. He's delirious