Sorami's Topics (77)

maaaan, me too ╥﹏╥

So did I.

We are in reality now because on the last chapter page 18 Law had no cigarette marks on his hand. Hmm we don´t really know how much time elapsed between Jesse going back home and then reuniting with Law. Maybe a few days? A few weeks? Maybe he did sit in a corner for a while contemplating. Well Jesse is a strong individual (mentally) so I´m sure he can get over it and pick himself up faster than your average person. Just like when he saw the video of the kidnapping and being tortured. Btw we don´t really know if he took the same path ONLY 3 times. It could´ve been more since they spend 20 years in there but yeah I think that sound about a good rough estimation (￣∇￣")

I thought they spent only 1 day yet it felt 20 years for Law.

Yes That is right ? Did I say otherwise ?

I misunderstood the last sentence then sorry

And I thought it was cute

I'm not a big fan of the art either. I don't think it's bad. It's probably not the Japanese style that I'm used to. I read some Korean shoujo (?) years ago and the mouths of the, characters, the body proportions, and colouring remind me of those, so maybe this is, more of a Korean art style?

I don't mind not seeing the pupils, it makes the characters look like they have cats' eyes;) but the proportion of the heads got me laughing every time.

I think the proportions is what is really making it look terrible. The no pupils thing I'm used to seeing as a way to convey an unconscious character so to have fully conscious characters speak and look at each other without pupils is weird to me.

InItially I wasn't a fan of the colour scheme. I still don't like it but I'm getting used to it. There isn't really any pure white but there aren't any pure blacks to contrast either. Is there an explanation for this?

Probably because the artist literally has a week to publish new chapters for sale. A week is nothing, some webcomics take a week to release a whole page.

O really?! So weird to read this, I'm totally in love with the art. I do agree the eyes could be more focused, but i really love the colour scheme and i didn't notice anything weird about the proportions. I like the way the bodies are drawn :)

Same here I like the art and I dislike people who criticize when they suck themselves at drawing and don't realize how much work is needed to produce only one chapter so respect those who made all the hard work for our own pleasure

I think it's more a matter of the art style than the time they need to produce a chapter. If the art isn't detailed enough or just messy or the chapters are shorter then we can blame it on time constraint. But this webtoon has consistent weird proportions right from the start haha.
But rather than hating it, I'm just taking the art style as something unique of the author . Hey, it's much better than something so mainstream or generic that you don't know who drew it from the visuals! :)

People are entitled to their opinions. Here they are expressing it nicely so it's fine. It's constructive. You don't have to be good at drawing to give your opinion on artwork. When you read a book, even if you suck at writing yourself, you're entitled to say whether it's good or bad as a reader. Appreciating the efforts of the creators doesn't mean you have to say everything they created is your cup of tea.

In that case why keep on reading it if it's not your cup of tea ? I mean if I don't like something I stop immediately except if I have to do it because someone asked me.

If you look at the main post they already provided the reason. They like the plot, and think it's interesting enough to make up for the art that's not their cup of tea.

So as not to fan the flames i'm just going to say i agree 100% with everything this guy has said.

Well I'm not sure why you would think I suck at art when you know nothing about me (but I really do suck at art, doesn't mean I can't appreciate it). Know what else I'd probably suck at? Cardio surgery, because I'm not a doctor or even a med student. But if a cardio surgeon left a gauze in a patient, I think I can say that he was careless. Why? Because even the common man can figure out that doctors shouldn't leave instruments in patients.

Likewise, I can't draw but I think I can comment that the characters look eerie and the lack of pupils is part of that problem. I get that the creator is using a different art style and I can appreciate that but pupils are pretty important in animation because they convey a bulk of the facial emotions. In real people your pupils dialate when you fall in love or see something you like, for example. And from watching various animations and reading comic books and manga, fear and shock are usually conveyed through constricted pupils but these character have no pupils so those reactions aren't as grand as they could be illustration-wise and rely more on the plot for context. I think this is a draw back

But like I said, I still do like the manga but I think it's absurd to think that people can't criticize something they like. I'm not sure why such a juvenile and unelightened mentality is encouraged these days but incase you don't know, there is a difference between constructive criticism and pure negativity and hatred. While I don't think the creator will ever see this, constructive criticism is how people grow and tends to be more useful than a simple applause or flat out flaming.

As for the colour scheme, I wondered while reading if the creator had a similar problem to what the creator of the Simpsons had in the early days in that the least expensive colours and papers available were not close to actual flesh colours and weren't too brilliant so they chose the next best thing that wouldn't be too distracting. I wonder this because while there is a distinction between the background colours and the characters, they are still similar enough that the characters can just blend into the background but that's just my opinion. On top of that the main characters and everyone else in the maga seem to have natural coloured hair whereas there are side characters like Choi Min Jun with odd coloured hair which makes them stand out more. The story isn't about them so it's an odd choice to make them more recognizable than the main characters.

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Hey! I think when the characters need to convey shock, they do have pupils :D
And maybe the main characters are less recognisable because they need to look pretty, and the author wanted to have some fun with the other ones?

I agree everyone can have their own opinion and has the right to voice that :) I just like guessing why the author made that choice :P

I absolutely love the artstyle of this manwha, it's by far number 1 one my list in terms of colouring and drawing. I'm always turned off when the usually black and white mangas suddenly have a few coloured pages, but here i keep on being astonished by how much i love everything about it.

To each their own, i guess :)

Well let me tell you something as an professional artist,
- Drawing takes years of dedication, practice and hard work to refine.
- Those without talent can be good illustrators to, if they can practice harder than I do.
- Unless you're an expert on one skill set you shouldn't criticize it like you know better
than actual experts.
- This manhwa is colored and published every week and sometimes it takes 40 minutes
to fully illustrate one panel.
- Digital art is not easy as it looks.
- You have to be an expert in drawing if you want to make some constrictive criticism as
a professional artist I wouldn't take you seriously even if you did since your opinion
wouldn't matter compared to other artists who are more experienced than me.
- You are reading this manga illegally, your opinion wouldn't mattered anyway.
- You can always not read it nobody is forcing you.

Sincerely a professional artist who actually had years of dedication and practice.

Before this goes on any further, why don't you provide a little of your work for all of us to see? Also, as everyone has pointed out, you don't have to be an expert in a field to criticize it, by your logic every piece of art is good because it was a professional who did the work and it doesn't matter that there're groups of people who disapprove because they aren't artists. You're sounding childish right now and honestly i advise you just back out gracefully before you make any more of a fool of yourself.

1. I'm very aware that talent in general (not just art but any aspect of life) isn't based solely on natural skill but also on dedication to mastering techniques. I never denied the talent of the creator.

2. I wish I knew you personally so I could laugh at your in your face but even without knowing you personally I know you're full of shit. Please refer to my Cardiosurgery analogy to counteract your "only experts can criticize" point.

3. See 1. I'm not disregarding any kind of time constraints or limits the creator would be working with. In fact, I'm kind of curious as to why some decisions were made and how the limits he/she is working with affects these decisions.

4. See point 2... Again because I totally bet everything I've said before has gone over your head.

5. I know art isn't easy. I have friends who are really good at it and I've known them from high school. They aren't professional artists but they take classes on the side when they can and every year I watch their work evolve with the new techniques they've learnt. They create very beautiful things I never could make and sometimes it takes them weeks to do it.

Like I've said a million times, I like the story line and that's why I am reading it and while I'm not a fan of the art, it's not bad enough to make me want to look away and it's more awkward than bad.

But that is my opinion. That I am entitled to. About a manga that doesn't concern you because you didn't make it. That you don't have to take to heart even though you obviously are.

You seem to want to be upset for the sake of being upset. You disagree with my initial opinion and that's okay. You think I don't have a right to my opinion but too bad for you, it's not within your power to control how I express myself. You see my criticism as flaming and you are taking it personally even though it has nothing to do with you. My guess is you're a starving artist because the best people know that as much as they might like their work and no matter how well received it is, there is always going to be the opposite opinion and someone who just doesn't like it, and they're okay with that. It's a lesson that every single person has to learn in their life, not just artists and even me and I can assure you if you don't learn how to deal with criticism you won't go anywhere. The world will shut you down if you take everything to heart.

-Sincerely a mature millennial who doesn't get flustered by people on the internet with opinions different from mine because we didn't have sharing time in preschool.

Why don't you try to act like a professional adult first? I don't mean to be rude, but your comment is really childish. I don't know about others, but I do buy the official English release when they're out. I read the webtoon here because it's released faster than the official. Am I entitled to an opinion now?
(Also some people can't support the artists because they can't get a credit card or because their country of residence has a currency of low value and they can't afford it. Think about those people before you preach.)
Some people like the art, some don't, some are just not familiar with it. Are professional artists creating for other professionals? No, for the masses. When you go to the restaurant and don't really enjoy a dish, do you try to fool yourself into thinking it was delicious because it was made by a professional cook at the restaurant?

No but if someone wants to criticize my art and say things like you should do this instead of that I expect them to know what they are talking about because I'm not a self educated fan artist I'm a professional who had necessary education and more than 10 years of drawing experience. If a teacher of mine or another artist makes constrictive criticism about my art I'd accept it because I know that they know what they're talking about unlike some people who can't even draw stick figures and pretend like they're art experts.

I never said you can't criticize, I said I wouldn't take you seriously because you don't really know what you're talking about.

I never said you can't criticize, I said I wouldn't take you seriously because you don't really know what you're talking about.

They're not pretending to be art experts , they're giving their opinions as readers. You have to look at things from both sides, not just from professionals alone. I'm a writer and if someone says to me that the ending I wrote is rushed or they don't like how wordy my writing style is , I'll be a bit upset, but I won't tell them: "you don't know what you're talking about. You can't even manage to write a proper essay in your middle school class! You're not even my teacher! " That way I won't get any readers to enjoy my work. If someone says the art style feels awkward, they should be able to say so without someone else lashing out at them for not being knowledgeable enough about the subject.

"Unless you're an expert on one skill set you shouldn't criticize it like you know better
than actual experts." --taken directly from your "i'm a professional" speech. You can leave now.

Indeed, no one has to take my opinion seriously but your posts were implying you were.

I agree, there are times when non-expert opinions should be disregarded but to imply that only expert opinion matters could leave you blinded faults of your own work and hinder improvement or even sales.

Like if a musician intentionally plays part of a song a half beat off. The music might be written that way but to the everyday consumer, it could sound like no one corrected the musician and just make the song jarring to listen to. That same half a beat can possibly change a song from a pop hit to something alternative and esoteric. While I'm not so cynical to think it's all about the money the world doesn't run on free so when your work is drastically different from what is out there, it's a risk. It can be the difference between having to find a new job and getting a renewed contract.

Of all the mangas I've seen, this one looks the most different. There's a webtoon I haven't seen but I'll check out in the future. So I'm guessing there are a lot of fans but I highly doubt I'm the first person to think the characters look weird and while it wasn't enough to turn me away, it probably did a few other people.

And now I think I've essentiall said all I needed to say.

Yes, I don't mind the eye color, just their position in their faces and the mouths sometimes.

By no means I'm not a starving artist or someone who can't take criticism. Only thing that bothered me was the way you criticize it. I'm sorry but the way you criticize makes you sound like you are an expert and you a sound a little bit arrogant because of it. I personally know someone who has anxiety and actually stopped drawing because of a constrictive criticism made by a non-expert so sorry if I sounded rude since I actually know how destructive even a constrictive criticism can be.
And I'm also aware of proportional differences and lack of shading in this web-comic but at the same time publishing a fully coloured manhwa in a week is pretty impressive so if I wanted to make a constrictive criticism I'd want to look at this artists other artwork before you know ones who were made in not so limited amount of time.
To conclude this argument I'd like to add if you really want to make constructive instead of posting this to an illegal manga site you can always go to Lezhin and send your comment to artist since unlike their Japanese equivalents Koreans are pretty good with English and you can actually get some feedback from artist.
Well this is my last post so... Bye! (●'◡'●)ﾉ

Thank you it's always interesting to have the point of view of an expert and like I said I appreciate all the devotion and hard work from the artist

you really think so? personally I actually really like the art style.. I think it's very unique and pretty looking >^>

I think one of the reasons people are posting here in the first place is because they 'd like to share their opinions without hurting the artist. I actually tweeted a cartoonist once about something funny in their art (they even liked that tweet), but it was not something as major as proportions. This is a period of time when drastic changes can't be made to the artwork, and when the artist feels most attached to their work and more vulnerable to criticism. If I were to say something to them about the art, I 'd do it after the webtoon is over. I agree the way Sorami talked about the artwork in the first post was a bit harsh, but you were being too aggressive too.

I don't really like the facial proportions but I agree it makes the art unique. You can tell right away who created the artwork, like CLAMP's style is unique because their head/body proportions are weird (super small heads + super long limps) haha.
The only thing that annoys me every time is that Taemin blushes way too much. Heck, I'm a girl with fair skin and I can't even blush that much ╮(╯_╰)╭

I know you said y won't respond again but I do hope you read this.

Before I respond let me tell you two stories about myself.

The first event happened when I was about fourteen. I was always bad at English in school until I started high school where I was forced to write prose and poems and I actually got complimented a lot from my teachers and classmates. I guess some unknown talent had finally surfaced so I started writing a lot. Eventually I got brave enough to post some of my work online and while I got complimented, there was this one girl who just ripped my work apart. I was pretty devastated and while I didn't stop writing completely, from then on I couldn't see my work as good. I didn't like what I was writing so how could anyone else like it? One of the critiques I received was I wrote too much dialogue and not enough prose. Later I realised she was right but then I developed the opposite problem. Even now I struggle to find a balance. I don't intend on being a professional writer but that comment that really hurt me ended off helping me grow as a writer. I've lost a lot of my work since then due to losing laptops, flash drives and hard copies but the remaining works I have, occasionally I read them and sometimes I even laugh at myself because I thought I was good then but it's really cringeworthy. I like seeing who I was then and comparing it to who I am now and that's basically what I'll be doing for the rest of my life.

The second story happened when I was a bit older, around seventeen. I actually want to be a dentist so I got a temp job in a dental office as a dental assistant. I worked that job in the holidays between school and the first two times it was great but the next time, during my exit interview one of the critiques of my coworkers was I was a know-it-all and they couldn't teach me anything. I was too arrogant The next time I worked there, I decided to let them teach me and ask questions so guess what the next critique was? I acted too stupid like I knew nothing. (Sometimes you can't win for losing.) It left me confused for a long time and coupled with the other things that happened at work, I didn't even want to become a dentist thinking that those people might end up being my future coworkers.

I didn't think anything about those two incidents but now I'm realizing the part they played in me becoming who I am now. They both taught me that criticism can be pretty harsh but it's up to you to decide how to react to it. They also taught me the importance of being honest, outspoken and self-assured. Qualities I've always posses but have lost and regain throughout varies parts of my life. I know that I come off arrogant and preachy sometimes but the opposite doesn't work for me and I don't know how to be in the middle, I don't push people in the middle either. For me, it's always either-or; in my behavior and the reactions, so I just try to be candid and explain my positions and why I think that way.

I understand you watching your friend's experience shaped yours but for me living something similar to your friend's experience shaped me. There are a lot of people who have anxiety, especially in this stressful day and age but to me one day we'll be the oldest people and the leaders of the world. We have to find a way to be without losing ourselves or getting offended every time we're uncomfortable. There are more than 7 billion of us and millions of cultures so we have to find a way to disagree and express different opinions.

There were times I was rude too so I'm sorry too. I didn't post to have a whole long debate or a Dr. Phil moment. I just wanted to see if anyone else felt the same way I felt. Like I said I really do love the story, I read it all in one go and I can't wait until Monday. I hope this story gets finished because I'm invested and will be sad if it were to ever get cancelled.

In general, I didn't know we could actually talk to manga creators unless we went to comic-con or something so I guess I'll check out this feedback thing. :) Thank you for that.

This is now my last post.

"To conclude this argument I'd like to add if you really want to make constructive instead of posting this to an illegal manga site you can always go to Lezhin and send your comment to artist since unlike their Japanese equivalents Koreans are pretty good with English and you can actually get some feedback from artist."---This exact sentence can apply to what you've been doing this entire time as well, if you think it makes no sense to post constructive criticism on this site then what are you hoping to achieve by commenting as well? You've stated yourself that you don't believe the mangaka will see this, but still proceed to argue that if the mangaka sees this it could effect their mentality. You make no sense and honestly the only one coming across arrogant is you as you've been literally saying that your opinion is somehow more important and that everyone else needs to stop stating theirs because they aren't artists even though in this scenario it wouldn't matter... i'm glad you're going to be gone from this comment section, you're so tiresome...

Even though I said previous part will be my last you made me reply, so let me explain to you. It seem you're having difficulties to understand. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

"If you post this criticism to an illegal site like mangago artist won't see or won't care because this is a where we read their work illegally so, if you really want to make constructive criticism please kindly go to Lezhin and send it to artist"

Are you inept or something?

Lol, my point was that despite you saying exactly what you just brought up you're still here arguing with people. You say that there is no point in posting on this site because the mangaka won't see or respond to the criticism, yet you're still on here pleading your case to people on what you yourself admit to be a site where what is said doesn't matter. My point was that you're being hypocritical. You also stated that the person you were arguing with earlier was coming across as arrogant, which honestly is ridiculous as the only one looking down on other's opinions was you yourself on the grounds that you're a professional which doesn't hold any relevance whatsoever to the scenario. Please go away now, i'm losing my motivation to respond to you.

Lol!! ok, lets go with that.
Goodbye you inept person.

bye now (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ sweet dreams.

ikr? in all digital art manhwa Ive read, this has the best quality for me and it's true that it is harder to draw digitally than physically I know coz Ive done both XD and having a time limit is much harder becoz its not just a page but a whole chapter.