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They are similar but I think the fan translation is better. It makes more sense in all their chapters.

I have no words and strength.
Just no.

i agree, its totally fine to give your opinion

You seriously are comparing insensitivity, although I ask again so Chanwoo should lie and hide his relationship in front of MD; to manipulation and abuse?
Consent impacted by conditions is no consent at all.
His method realistically would most likely end up in complete breakdown. He is not qualified psychologistz he is not god, he can't control someone, his thoughts and actions. It could have completely backfired.

totally agree

No backlash from me cause you were right and I am in an agreement with you.

oh you're just spouting b.s. "consent", "hide his relationship" ? Are we talking about that same thing here? You sound like you're saying Chanwoo was forced in tbis situation?
"psychologistz" is not a word nor does it have anything to do with this.

No but MD did say to leave if he doesn’t want this, Chanwoo coming at him with the new guy isn’t even in his control? He also stopped when Chanwoo said the safe word

Psychologist* sorry for my autocorrector.
He was coerced in the situation. Many people made very good post about that.

agreed!

i agree w u. and u brought up proof.

You people seriously don't get that.
1. Chanwoo is a victim of long abuse. 2. In strangle scene it was clearly shown he has problems with boundaries. 3. You can't put conditions on BDSM play and consent, it's no full consent then if it is impacted by threat. 4. Chanwoo was just rejected by his new bs, who betrayed him and used him and then just after that MD threatened him saying that he wi abandoned him too if he won't participate in the play. He took advantage of his state and weaknesses.

New bf* he will*

Ok back up for a moment. Most of the points you made are true, but to one point. We feel like Chan Woo had a choice on the matter, but did he truly? He was an emotional wreck after he realized his comfort sex partner will be lost and his potential romantic partner was lying to all along. It was too much of a sudden burden for his mind. He got confused. Now he needed some one to comfort him and he feels like it's the right time to fight for what belonged to him. That's why he went along with this plan.

It was MD who made this scenario, even though it was a coincidence to find out the lying asshole was his ex sub. From there on, everything happened was partially the ex's and mostly MD's doing. Chan Woo's lack of emotional stability was dragged through by MD's manipulation.

But then you were only relating it to your opinion especially about the boundary, what Chanwoo and MD had was a contract of BDSM agreement, what you are pointing out is Chanwoo has set a boundary for himself. I’m not justifying MD’s actions but Chanwoo has already rejected MD before when MD asked him to be his true boyfriend. Clearly none of the things they did was consent even with MD because he too fell for Chanwoo and suddenly shoved by the whole “im dating someone means i dont need u for play partner anymore” scene it’s just as if you are talking like Chanwoo isn’t capable of setting up his mind because he could have done it when he and that lying guy went to MD.

I feel like we are never going to view this matter the same way so i’m jus gonna stop here.

Regarless, you're still twisting facts and making stuff up. He wasn't "coerced". Chanwoo is a grown man capableof making his own decision. MD literally told him he could leave. "Many people made very good post about that", aren't you and those "many" people delusional? I mean anyone can see when someone is being forced or deceived in a situation a mile away. Why must y'all twist things up just for the sick of nonesense. Tbh, I'm trying to understand your "argument" but I can't seem to get it. Not one of your point make sense. You're just saying whatever comes to mind without any logical facts or supports.

What is hard to understand in: consent impacted by conditions and threats is not consent. It's coercio .

I agree 100%. It is a bad thing when we project our own situations or memories and twist it as we like and interpret it through these filters

I'm just saying that MD took advantage of guy who was in fragile state after being used and rejected by the guy. And he knew that Chanwoo was abused by ex bfs. So he should take that in consideration. But he coerced him into the play that Chanwoo didn't want to participate in because of conditions. He was rejected and now MD was threatening him that if he won't agree to play then he is being abandoned by him too. And then he made him touch the guy who just used him. And he knew that Chanwoo is super uncomfortable with all of that and is doing it only because of conditions.

BDSM doesn't work like that. It's about pleasure and satisfaction of both parties, safety and full consent.

Chanwoo literally said be wants to maintain his relationship with MD -bdsm- professional one... And have a romantic one with his bf. He didn't want to mix these two things. Also his bf pressured him to meet MD. And on the other hand Chanwoo should hide and lie about his relationship in front of MD? That would be better option?

Consent which is impacted by threat and condition isn't consent...

Coercion*

Regardless, claiming that Chanwoo was "not in the right place of mind" is not factual. Yes, he maybe have been an emotional wreck, still doesn't mean he can't differentiate right from wrong. It's like saying if you're an emotional wreck and you hurt someone, then it's not you're fault because "you were not in the right place of mind". Anyone with a psychology degree would argue how ridiculous that sounds. No matter what emotional state someone is in, your subconscious will always help you differentiate right from wrong. Ignoring it, is another issue. But, claiming that someone whom was cleary told he can leave if he can't handle a certain level of act during a BDSM play, that he had no control over the situation is basically very irresponsible thing to do. How many of us could get away with crimes, abuse, rape and false claims based on the statement "I'm/you're/he's/she's" an emotional wreck? That's just a bad excuse for bad behaviors. Moreover, lack of responsibility and self awareness.
Second, we have NO proof that Chanwoo's experience of "lack of emotional stability" is the result of him being stuck in this situation. Anyone with common sense, if put in this situation would be turned off, cursed out MD or other dude aka piece of trash.
Third, yes Chanwoo was shocked because got played one over. But, is it really fair/logical to claim that because of that he was an emotional wreck? He's just met the guy! Yes, he was a bit infatuated by him because he seemed so perfect. But, it's not like he was heartbroken by the love of his life. So, I'm really trying to understand how such a short encounter resulted in such a big emotional impact on him. And if it did, doesn't it make him too naive? Not to mention some part of your argument makes him sound like a 5 years old who can't control his emotions or is incapable to process his emotion because a fucker got one over him.

Ur dp is literally seungho who’s a rapist

Ofc you would defend MD

You literally dismiss the impact of abuse and taking advantage of someone in fragile state of mind. He was once again used. He was abused for a long time.
And once again you can't fly consent when your consent is impacted by threats or conditions...

Sweetheart, I'm going to stop this "argument". Your "argument" has way too many factless claims. Even your own interpretation of "consent" in this specific situation is laughable. All Inhave to say, if that you have the rights to your opinion. But still, you lack substantial facts, just plain old "I can read" drawn characters' mind and will advocate for said character" ieven if there's no actual abuse, rape, coersion and such. Again: De.lu.sio.nal.
You.
Still.
Make.
No.
Sense.
*peace sign*

You make no sense, you don't understand BDSM rules, you don't understand consent and coercion. You don't understand clear manipulation. What can we do that you are ignorant.

Exactly, I feel like everyone wants to act like so kind of psychologist and or just spout whatever comes to mind just to start a trend. It's quite easy to project ourselves in characters because we feel sorry for them, but that makes us bias. When you're bias, you refuse to acknowledge facts.

Thank you(▰˘◡˘▰)

Hahaha one less backlash! Thank you! The less the better, lmao!

Hahaha! Yes, it's neceraasy in this site because otherwise people will just at your throat if you have a different opinion than the majority ╥﹏╥

http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/5931412/
One of the topic about the matter.
Seriously it's so cute when ignorant is calling others ignorant :3

necessary*

How anyone don't see that the consent impacted by conditions and threats is no consent.

Chanwoo is capable of rejecting that, the guy clearly showed his stalker attitude openly. Especially with a situation when they have to touch each others, He should have already known what crazy shit he’s getting into and that he will be uncomfortable with it and left when MD literally gave him a choice.

No One said he should hide his relationship from MD (no one was literally talking about it) BUT He should have already known that MD would break their contract because MD confessed before and he rejected him. He should be prepared that he will be cutting with MD in that moment even given the chance, but he didn’t.

But it was CLEAR that he didn't want to participate in the play. Only because of conditions and BDSM play shouldn't look like that. He asked many times if he really had to and was reminded that he didn't have to BUT if he wants to stay in their relationship they he has to endure that.
Consent and play should never be put under any conditions so the sub should feel obligated to do things he doesn't want to. Even a blind could see that Chanwoo didn't want to do that and touch the guy who just betrayed him but experienced Dom didn't see that? BDSM is about consent, safety and pleasure, satisfaction of bort parts...

Yeah and MD as mature man should say that inteast of creating the play... like a normal, mature men they should have discussion and look at their options.
Even better MD wasn't interested in the other sub in the slightest. Mostly grudge and wanting to teach Chanwoo the lesson. Once again he mixed his own personal feelings,ulterior motives with the play which is unacceptable.

Your welcome

Its fiction dont bring reality into fictional world. It is written this way by the artist. Can we just enjoy the side stories and see how it ends without on the "fictional" characters.

Hahahaha same