Kileya's Topics (18)

Me too... Ignore the dislikes, there are some sympathizers that want to justify everything he does "because he's a victim", the thing is, you can be a victim AND a gold digging ass at the same time. It's a fact that he was gold digging, he decided to have the baby when his friend mentioned that he could get money off Dojin, he luxuriated like crazy with Dojin's cash and he refused to get an abortion that Heesoo offered to pay for because Dojin will give him more money. He even has inner dialogue calling Dojin and Heesoo idiots because he can have whatever he wants... He's an asshole.

just say you want the fuckiddy fuck man

Ah, it's kinda true. I felt that there's still something missing with this manhwa, and so it was a little bit pale for me. The art's great and all, but I felt kinda awkward reading it. It's still an entertaining read, but I wasn't satisfied.

You're blind Dude

Main character: Jae Won
Jun seo: Catboy(dark haired tsundere)
Karam: Jae won's crush (cutiepie)
Yoonsun: Redhead Hottie
Bestfriend: I forgot his name xD

Thank you <3

I also want to clear this up, theyre korean names. Sorry your comment was just bothering me. This is a manwha not a manga.

I think the og poster meant they're bad at remembering names, besides Japanese. Not that they're bad at remembering Japanese names.

Can you remind me of that orange haired guy's name?

So much mental abuse. At this point I'm not sure if Dohyun's feelings are even real.

Sungho was forced to have a sex in very young age. He was confused and each time he had sex with him he became crazier because he didn't know what to do. For most people it is easy to solve the problem, but trust me it is not when you are in young age and you don't want to lose somebody. If it won't stop in right time this is what may happen in the future. This is why I like story so much. It is crazy, but so realistic at the same time. And this is not just a school drama. This is one of the most important time while you growing.
I am curious why he has a scar on his face. For sure something big happened because it is not just a little scar. Can't wait for new chapters. (=・ω・=)

I don't know how you're reading but he was never "forced". You either have sex or you don't. They teach you that at school: you can refuse. Surely even after his emotional drama he shouldn't have raped anyone. I dislike him because of that.

I don't know. ╮(￣▽￣)╭ for me he was sort of forced. Im to lazy to write why I think that way. And my English is not that well. Anyway Crime is crime, it shouldn't be done no matter what. But people like that exist and this is why I like the story.

Emm...lol. I cannot pass it by, sorry. I don't know, why do you think so, but Dohyun has never forced Sungho to anything, as we can see. Dohyun was just young boy and did what he wanted and, I'm sure, if Sungho had said "no", he would have finished it all. Not Dohyun, but Sungho forced himself to do "disgusting" things, because he wanted to be with Dohyun. He had been racking himself for it and eventually lost his mind.
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Maybe you are right. :) maybe I don't remember everything perfectly. I just remember that Sungho did things which was done to him in the past. Sometimes Sungho did dirty things to Dohyun which were obviously forced, so it looked to me like Soungho was in similar situation. But, well... I guess you are right. It's Sungho who forced himself in the past. I give up. xD

He absolutely wasn't forced from what they've shown. No crime.

From our point of view Sungho wasn't forced but from his young, vulnerable perspective he was "forced" to in order to stay by Dohyun. I mean if you take a moment and consider things that way or I guess put yourself in his position its not that hard to see how he would come to that conclusion, like come on just look at the kid. In life, at least at some point, you might have done things you were opposed to for some reason or another, treat that situation like Sunghos and there you have it. With that said though Sunghos one sided love grew into an obsession and clearly somewhere down the line he forgot he always had a choice in the matter its just that the consequences were not something he was willing to accept and that was losing Dohyun.

No don't give up you have a good point here :) I agree with most of what you said, however theres one thing, in Sunghos MIND he was indeed forced but I don't think Dohyun himself was forceful. In every scene of the past it appears as though Dohyun could be asked to stop, and he most likely would, but Sungho would definitely lose him as a friend. Or at least lose that "special bond" they seem to have compared to Dohyuns other friends. People don't realize how different people can be pychologically, whats simply black or white for some people is a completely different thing for others. Gotta step out of your "logical" box for a moment and step into something unknown every once in a while...and in this case the unknown is Sungho.

but you can argue the same point for Dohyun as well.he was young too,was neglected by family,and had superficial relationships with everyone.Sungho is the first one who actually cared and looked after him,and that made Dohyun like him in a way that he never did with anyone (Dohyun is not the emotional type) but from the flashbacks he definitely liked Sungho and plus the author's words herself,that he in fact did.he just spontaneously acted on his emotions with Sungho.and actually stayed with Sungho for a long time(from the diary it seems they were together for a few months) when normally in Dohyun's relationships,he just seems to jump from one girl to another.but he never did that with another dude other than Sungho.so that shows he had something special with him.
all we have now are speculations,we dont even know WHY Dohyun ended the relationship,all we know is that we saw a flashback of Sungho crying,which made us think that Dohyun did something bad to him,but that could be a trick by the author and she does that plenty it seems.
the sick thing is,Dohyun was willing to play along this sex revenge scenario,ok Sungho do that and let the man go,but what makes him irritating is that he wants to keep him.is he some kind of animal? thats sick!
Sungho doesnt even know what he wants from Dohyun,one minute he wants revenge,then he wants to do anything for Dohyun and kiss his foot.one minute he tells Dohyun he will let him go if he remembers,then he freaks out when Dohyun reminds him of their agreement and act like he never said it.
he is I.R.R.I.T.A.T.I.N.G and freaking crazy,thats what he is

Lol I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or trying to prove another point in the first part of your message but one thing I certainly agree with is that Sungho is crazy. In the past its easy for me to read his emotions and desires and see how that can effect his motives in the present but his actual ACTIONS constantly contradict each other and like you said it's irratating because I can't tell what he wants out of this anymore. In the beginning it seemed pretty clear this was about revenge but now he can't seem to make up his mind and during those moments I think its obvious he's really fucked up pychologically and thats why he goes back and forth....ooor poor writing :/ idk one thing for sure is that Dohyun has been punished enough for his "wrongdoings".

I think the situation between them is actually fairly clear - now this might take a while to explain, so please, bear with me.
Back when they were kids Sungho was interested in Dohyun, at some point after they got closer started feeling something for him (probably something like innocent kind of love, you know, that one that fills your tummy with butterflies etc) and when Dohyun finally made moves on him, Sungho just went with it and (presumably) developed what I call the "possession right" on top of his innocent feelings (basically it's a schema of someone belonging to you just because they slept with you - plenty of people have it, it's based on the schema of sex being reserved for special relationships so we want to have exclusivity in our partners). At the same time, I imagine his emotions were also undergoing a shift into more darker urges (think locking his partner in the baseme... I mean warehouse so nobody can steal them - yeah).
He was jealous of Dohyun's friends who could spend time with him openly as opposed to him having this special, but secret, friends with benefits thing which was entirely on Dohyun's rules, so he wanted control - but at the same time, he realized that if he stops having sex with him (which he disliked) Dohyun will (most likely) ditch him, leaving him in a dilemma (that entire "why I am complaining" thing). Ultimately, being afraid of being left for dead, he just does what he's asked for - and is absolutely crushed once Dohyun disappears (reasons being left unclear by the authors). Having experienced the trauma of feeling used (after all, the only reason he agreed to all the lewd stuff was to make sure this won't happen) and being heartbroken, he wanted to forget, but he wasn't able - he was obsessed and helpless about it.
Fast forward a few years to the current time and the results are what forms the plot. Sungho at this point is so upset and furious with Dohyun for making him go through all of this that he locks him and does the exact same things to him as he has experienced - the difference is that Dohyun is not consenting and certainly not falling in love with him. Sungho beings to understand his revenge - which I guess consisted of making Dohyun go through the entire emotional spectrum as he did and let him go so he can die in misery - is not going to work and in the meantime he's back to the point where he's so terrified of being abandoned and going through the trauma the second time (so he wants to stay together at all cost). That being said, Sungho still does care for Dohyun - which signifies he still has some leftover feelings warped in some twisted sociopath way (after all, how broken must one be to commit such atrocities - can you imagine how many years it took him to plan and execute all of this? Those are years of sick obsession!)
But if they are to have a relationship in any other way, Dohyun must make a decision to stay after he's freed, which is not simple (as we saw in the last chapter). In a strange twist of fate (or should I say, excellent writing), Sungho is left yet again on an impasse and Dohyun's mercy (he frees him, he might run away, he doesn't, they are stuck as captor and captive).
Dohyun's side on this is another wall of text so I'll spare you, but generally I think we can say for certain the end is going to be tragic for Sungho in one way or another. A pity, but well deserved for his actions.

^a good explanation everyone

Mmmmm not exactly forced but if you remember in one of the chapters dohyun tried to be physical with sungho... but sungho wanted to talk and dohyun was not okay with that so inorder not to lose dohyun he tried to do what dohyun liked so they can stay longer with each other... I hope u get my point

Mmmmm not exactly forced but if you remember in one of the chapters dohyun tried to be physical with sungho... but sungho wanted to talk and dohyun was not okay with that so inorder not to lose dohyun he tried to do what dohyun liked so they can stay longer with each other... I hope u get my point

...young age? He was 18 (19 in Korean age). That's not that young. Sungho may small in those flashbacks, but he's an adult in them. Just a late bloomer,

...young age? He was 18 (19 in Korean age). That's not that young. Sungho may small in those flashbacks, but he's an adult in them. Just a late bloomer, I guess.

Ehhh ok but lets be real here, they LOOK like children in those flashbacks so its pretty easy to see how someone would conclude they were young and new to the sexual side of relationships.

adult - is not only age. At all, age says nothing. More that, in 18-19 years people don't know about life anything, they make so many mistakes that's completely normal, and if they still study at school, haha...
In flashbacks we can see, that they behave like teenagers, cos they were really just teens completely unaware of all consequences of their doings. And I'm remembering my 18 years...yeah...really, wat did I fucking do, lol
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Haha, yup, you are right. When I look back at how stupid and childish mistakes I made, it makes me embarrassed.
I am suprised that they were already 18 in the flashbacks! They look so much younger!

That is not forced. Dohyun wanted; Sungho didn't; Dohyung moved away; Sungho used sex to keep Dohyun near him. He did it reluctantly, but he made the choice. (At least in the flashbacks we've seen; something may have happened later we haven't seen.)

If you can walk away, it's not forcible rape.

From Dohyun's perspective, someone changed his mind.
From Sungho's perspective, he needed to give sex to get time with Dohyun.

Each got something they wanted, but unless we see from Dohyun's POV that he was specifically manipulating Sungho and knowing Sungho didn't really wanna...while it's still not rape even then...it's certainly dishonorable and unkind.

Its kinda complicated sungho went along with what dohyun wanted because he didn't want to lose him as a friend in one of the flashbacks sungho was shown to be uncomfortable though he didn't run nor fight off dohyun though it can't be considered rape we can't consider it as fully consensual as well it clearly left a mark on his psyche and it feeles like something more horrible happened to make dohyun leave and forget and for sungho to go psycho obsessed.

But Dohyun had no way of knowing all the stuff in Sungho's head. From his perspective, it was consensual (again, unless we get some insights from his pov otherwise).

People have to take responsibility for their decisions. He was high school, not elementary school. If he didn't want to, then he should not have, and if the meant losing Dohyun, then Dohyun wasn't worth his time. If keeping Dohyun was more important, then he chose to do what he did to get what he wanted.

It's one thing if Dohyun applied a lot of pressure and was creepily manipulative. But that Dohyun did it reluctantly, he still chose to do it. It's on him.

I mean"Sungho" in that last part."

I didn't contradict you yes I do agree in dohyuns eyes it was consensual I was pointing out sunghos side that it might not have been fully consensual in the first flashback where it shows them having sex dohyun was still persuading sungho and dohyun might have been a bit manipulative he used games a means for sexual contact and by the looks of sungho he looked desperate enough to pick an option even if he doesn't want to http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/warehouse/uu/warehouse-chapter-27/10/ . yes they r not elementary they r in high school undergoing puberty which can cause hormonal imbalance and behavioral changes and I'm not saying sungho didn't take responsibity for his decision I agree its on him my point was that those event triggered his insanity I don't blame dohyun for his actions as wellal as mentioned they are in high school and in puberty and that stage in life is where we are more conscious and curious so they tend to experiment both had different perspective on the actions done to the other again since we have very little of the flashback we still don't know the severenity of trauma each received in childhood guess we just have to wait and see.

Other parts that might show it not totally consensual and manipulation was used
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/warehouse/uu/warehouse-chapter-28/2/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/warehouse/uu/warehouse-chapter-28/6/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/warehouse/uu/warehouse-chapter-28/13/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/warehouse/uu/warehouse-chapter-28/14/

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/warehouse/uu/warehouse-chapter-28/15/

He used Sunghos attachment to him as a means of getting what he wants read chapter 28 after those events he disliked being touched and is more disconnected with the people around him again I'm not putting blame on dohyun rather I'm pointing out the cause of the hate and insanity on sungho part I reread the manga and seeing the flashback and current situation I kinda see the manga in a new light though im not saying I agree with sunghos actions I kinda starting to understand how it went downhill.

Except is this all in Sungho's mind. Did Dohyun SAY those words or did Sungho assume that was what would happen. It's not very clear.

At the same time, that's not enough to drive someone crazy unless there was some sort of mental weakness to start. I still think other things happened we haven't seen, because what has transpired so far is not drive-to-violent-madness level. And Sungho has been acting plain insane.

"If you don't like it then this is the end" looks more like a dialogue then a thought but yes it wasn't clearly stated but if it was the case then then that just proves my point and yes I do believe there is more to it then what we have seen so far he was already mentally weak if read chapter 28 from what happened with him and dohyun so anything more severe would cause him to snap.

mistranslations my friend.that was definitely a thought and not something Dohyun said.

ah yes the chapters where midori and hotaru ship was unexpectedly made XD

oh yea xD