We need more wholesome mangas like this! I really love it, the idea of having a sanctuary where you can be yourself and no one would judge you for it. Kinda reminds me of shimanami tasogare.
no one:
absolutely not a single soul:
yaoi authors: SEXUAL ASSAULT !!!!!!!! (≧∀≦)
like ffs, is it that hard to write a story about healthy, non fetishizing gay relationship? Considering there's way more rapey yaoi mangas than non-rapey ones, i guess it is really that hard huh...
Agreed, but it does make the manga interesting to read! I'm super curious as to what the blond is going to do next~
Well, it wont be interesting if all the manga have fluff romance story.
There's a lot of people with different taste. This author is trying to satisfy my kind of people who enjoy rape and assault :))))
Sure, whatever rings your bells, but the least authors and/ translators can do is put trigger warnings, so a gay man like me who has been assaulted in the past can read gay mangas without feeling like absolute shit
Also, healthy relationship doesn't need to be boring. There are plenty interesting yaoi mangas who don't promote sexual assault out there, though they're overridden with the ones that do.
I'm sorry that you've been assaulted before. I think a lot of readers get desensitized to rape/etc from overexposure in the manga we read, and I don't think a lot us really think about these "tropes" applied to real life and real people.
Thank you. I understand reading mangas with rape content for fun, but a lot of mangas normalized the act. I just wish at least authors would put trigger warnings on their works. Or at least treat the topic with respect and give it serious consequences instead of acting like rape is something that can be easily excused. A lot of gay men read mangas too, and some of them are young, and might not know better. I don't want people think this is how gay relationship normally works, just like i don't want straight teenage girls who watch misleading chick flicks think abusive men are attractive.
Man, to "enjoy" rape and assault in any kind of content isn't right though. :/
A lot society needs to be changed from what the young (er) generations are exposed to to and learn to be normal. Abuse shouldn't been seen as normal, nor should sexism and racism.There's been a lot of differing opinions regarding the recent gender stereotypes ban from British ads, but I think it's at least in the right direction.
I guess someone could argue they enjoy rape stories like how people enjoy murder/horror movies, but I just can't get myself to see their view very well. The comments for rape stories are often positive and literally outright ignore the rape, and that doesn't happen for murder/horror movies. I've never seen, "Wow, the murderer is sooooo hot!!!!! I wanna be tied up by them!!"
That's not true, though... stories with murderer/psychopath characters get those kind of comments too. For example, killing stalking. There are a lot of readers who find the MC (who is a rapist, serial killer, abuser, basically lowest of lows) hot.
As for finding rape hot... i hate it to death, but i understand that some people have certain kinks and we can't help what we like. That's why there should be trigger warnings, if not by author/translator, then at least by the online platform. Myr*adingm*nga has official "rape" tag, even "abusive lover", and it helps a lot for people who want to avoid mangas with such content. Mangago has "rape" tag but only by readers, and not all mangas with non/dubcon content are tagged accordingly, which sucks a lot.
I didn't really think about horror/murder manga, just the movies. I've heard comments about how hot the actor/actress is, but they don't just sidestep the horror/murder. Usually the comments on the way out of the theater are all about how they spilled the popcorn when the jumpscare happened or etc.
You've probably done this already, but there are a bunch of manga lists that are specifically romantic/fluff (etc) and an exclude abuse. I do that a lot of the time.
One of the best things about this manga is the various stuffed animals strapped on tane's back ╥﹏╥
I've read the finished raws, and here's the summary:
- they kept dating and took everything slowly. Yohan was more forward and moogyeong reserved. I like that they prioritized consent and respected what the other was comfortable doing (take notes, yaoi mangas!)
- moogyeong didn't do well on ONE (1) mock exam and yohan was EXTREMELY guilty about it (he thought he was distracting moogyeong from his study) like seriously he was so down eventhough moogyeong said it was ok, he just couldn't concentrate during that one exam (because he kept daydreaming about him... and yohan... doing things...)
- yohan suggested they take a temporary break from each other until moogyeong finished his exams, but it just resulted in a lot of angst and tears on his part (he cried a lot, poor puppy). Luckily it got resolved soon, because apparently moogyeong got an early acceptance to a top university, so there was no need to worry about grades as long as he graduated phew
- yohan met moogyeong's mom! He dressed to the nines and bought flowers for her and she was quite taken with him, it was sweet
- the two of them went to a seaside for moogyeong's graduation trip... and they got to second base. I'm proud of my sons.
- yohan knew it was impossible for him to go to the same uni with moogyeong (bc it was a top uni) but he promised that he'd go for a nearby uni. He asked if they could live together, and moogyeong agreed!
Some extras from author's note:
- yohan studied really hard and got accepted to a uni near moogyeong's.
- yohan's parents divorced soon after yohan graduated, and as a token of guilt/conscience they left the house to him. He and moogyeong lived together there.
- yuri got in the same uni with moogyeong and often gave yohan shit about it lmao
Some unresolved plot points:
- yohan still has a Lot of insecurities regarding his relationship with moogyeong
- moogyeong is still afraid to be openly affectionate with yohan in public. One time he rejected yohan's kiss and yohan was so hurt, and it's something that hasn't been resolved yet.
- MOOGYEONG STILL HASN'T SAID "I LIKE YOU" TO YOHAN I CAN'T BELIEVE
- what's up with yuri's conflict? I don't understand a thing about it, only have a feeling that it has to do with his sister (?)
All in all, great webtoon. Really sweet and slow and innocent. I love it so much, hope the author carries on writing it.
did moogyeong cried during the "focus on exam" period because of the pressure from exam and away to yohan, and insecurities with their relationship... or? like what kind of angst was it? XD
i hope he didnt think they would break up because yohan said to take a break to focus on exam...
Spoiler again!! So MG didn't do well on one mock exam. YH thought it was his fault, because he thought he was distracting MG from his study. So he asked MG if they could stay away for a while, at least until MG finished his exams. MG didn't cry, YH did. MG was mostly confused why YH was That guilty hhh.
The angsty part is this: during the "stay away" period, YH avoided MG's texts, calls, and when they saw each other he couldn't even talk because he was so guilty (smh). One day he saw MG getting scolded by his homeroom teacher because of his mock He avoided MG's texts, calls, and when they saw each other he couldn't even talk. One day, he saw MG getting scolded by his homeroom teacher about his mock exam result and became MORE guilty (it was a bit dramatic, tbh) and he cried without MG's knowledge. MG was fed up with all the avoiding and came to YH's house to confront him, asking, "do you want to break up with me or what?" hearing this, YH cried again lmao because of course he didn't want to break up. So they talked, cleared up the misunderstanding, and MG told YH that he just got accepted in a uni anyway, so he shouldn't worry about his grades. YH was happy, they made out, angst over!
OMG!! I LOVE HOW IT PLAYED OUT!! THANKS FOR THIS!! Yohan always tried to look confident in their relationship, but it was a known fact how sensitive he is too, and Moogyeong being once to appease his insecurities is refreshing and good to know! they really know how to communicate and it's not a totally one sided relationship in a sense that one got to bear all the burden of appearing strong and appeasing insecurities!!
also, its bad but i really like seeing crying yohan... it tugs much much more at my heart XD
Wow thanks! So it's finished u.u
Thank you for the spoiler i hope there is a story about yuri. Did the teacher like him? Yuri deserve to be loved. One of the best character of this manhwa ☘
I like how the author explored the prejudice (and heteronormativity) of sex role in gay relationship. And unlike most yaoi mangas, she also explained that top/bottom is NOT a fixed position. I hope more mangas like this exists. It's time for authors and readers to stop being so obsessed about who's on top or who's on bottom, stop assuming sex position based on appearance/certain characteristic traits, stop making gay relationship heteronormative. In general, i just wish people stop policing how sex between men should be--when they're neither man nor queer.
I do have problems with this manga, though... first, why couldn't they just refer each other as "husband" instead of "wife"? It's just so weird and feels diminishing for m/m marriage. Second, i get that the mother is desperate for grandchild, but is it really necessary to force them to have sex, not to mention that his son could have raped the councelor? Can i please have abo stories with NO dubcon? It would be a better and more powerful story if both of them resolved the problem on their own. If i were any of them i would have cut ties with the mom, no matter what her intention is.
The mom had cameras and probably men ready to interfere if her son was going to attack.
Well, tbh i didn't catch that because i skipped her part entirely. I don't care what her reason or plan was, it's still wrong and invasive. Like i said, i would cut ties with my mom if she put me in that kind of situation, no matter what her intention, and no matter that she had some sort of security measure (which, again, doesn't excuse her doing at all) or not.
I don’t remember exactly why she did that but i remember her son saying that his mom had to take care of him alone and had to go through lots of hardship so it made her go intense. I think the mom had good intentions and she was aiming for her kid’s happiness.
Yes, and i still don't care. I've been in a non-con situation and it's the worst thing i've experienced. The idea of a mother willingly putting her own son in that situation is appalling to me. I don't care about her background. I don't care that she thought she was doing her son a favor. It's wrong, it's disgusting, and it shouldn't be excused, whatever her intention was.
This manga is truly wonderful. I can go for days talking about stuffs that i love about it, but i want to address a rather serious topic here. I saw the raws and got the idea that kanou had his happy ending, but i wish the author could've explored ways of handling depression without making it like having romantic partners is the solution. Romance isn't an answer to depression. It might be a reason for someone to keep going, but you can't expect it to cure mental illness. The way kanou perceives it, when he thought, "if i could find a new love i'd be alright" or "will my next heartbreak really kill me?" makes me sad. With or without lovers, kanou will always have difficulties with his emotions. It's just who he is, and he has to find ways to accept and deal with it independently. Mentally ill people (including me) can be happy without romance in their life. That's why i'm sad that the manga is not longer. Kanou's friendship with the highschool boy is an example of how platonic relationship can also help with mental illness, and i wish we could see it more ㅠㅠ
Aside from all that, i love this manga to pieces. I see myself in kanou, and i know a lot of readers do too. I'm truly rooting for him. I hope he finds comfort in his relationship with the boss and that it can be a motivation for him to seek acceptance within himself, so that he can be happy no matter what happens in the future.
I dont think he's depressed though? Hopeless, more like it. But he doesn't really fit being diagnosed with major depressive disorder
Sorry, but i think he is. I say that because i'm diagnosed with depression, and kanou's behavior is a lot like mine. Depression doesn't have to be "major", in fact it's in little things: he lives just because he doesn't feel like killing himself, he ignores his friends' attempts to contact him, he sleeps and does nothing in his free time, he has mood swings, feels down even when he looks like he doesn't, he's literally hanging on the interaction he has with the highschool boy (and now his boss) to keep on going. Before he met the boy, he didn't even have a reason to live, and you can't say that it's healthy. He could be depressed because of his heartbreak. But we also see that he has problem with accepting his personality (he thinks he's weak for others' affection, he gives too much and doesn't receive enough
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etc). That means the problem is not external, it's internal. What will happen if he breakup with the boss? He himself wondered whether it would really kill him this time. That means he knows he has suicide tendencies, eventhough he doesn't act on it. A lot of stuffs in the manga points out that he's depressed. But that's just my opinion, of course, you're welcome to disagree.
Just like other nishida higashi's stories, i like it but i really wish she hadn't included rape... like seriously i don't understand why she has to include rape/dubcon in most of her works. Like ace no kyujitsu, for example, it could have been loads better without the unnecessary dubcon at the beginning. Same with division :/
10/10
Well, at least Nameshiba somewhat regretted it
I really hope doyun would stop being childish and using taehan for his own convenience. Why does he hate taehan that much anyway? Just because taehan called him an alpha? It was a mistake that could have been easily corrected if only he would say outright that he's not an alpha. Moreover, taehan was nothing but considerate after he found out that doyun is an omega. He helped him eventhough they had bad relationship, he didn't take advantage on doyun, he didn't "out" doyun as an omega to other people, he even cast aside his pride and properly asked doyun out because he knows what they have is worthy to be taken seriously. So i really don't understand why doyun treated taehan so badly. I understand that he's in denial but it's just too much. Unless there is more to doyun's past that can explain his attitude towards taehan. Granted it's only 19 chapters so far but i hope the author doesn't drag that behavior on (i said this because i know korean authors tend to drag pointless plot points just to meet their requirements from webtoon platforms).
I agree with everything you just said!
lol at sumire asking yuri "do you think i only care about appearance, do you think i'm that kind of man?"
like, dude. you said you hate ugly people. you spent the first 20 chapters or so telling yuri that she's ugly and fat, now you're angry she doesn't have the confidence to believe that you love her?
i first read this manga around 15 years ago and thought that it was the sweetest story ever. now i'm just cringing at everything.
Lol i feel same
Wow this is like... the fluffest of fluff i've ever read. I've never seen that much blush in a manga before lmao. It's borderline cringe at times (esp. the dialogue during sex akdjsk) but it's also sweet. And also yay for consensual sex! When he said "i'll stop immediately if you say no" it hits me all in the right spots. Also it has lots and lots of foodporn which is always a good point for me.