Is anyone else also thinking abt how the ML is gonna fall in love with a bird lmao. I mean she knows she's human but he doesn't. He's already started to fall too . Maybe my humor is broken but that's peak comedy
ofc yeah i agree 100% but this is story has romance in it and we know its gonna be between her and him so it's just funny to think abt. It's most likely gonna start to happen while she's still a bird. I think its kinda began (or it's the author hinting at what's to come) to happen tho he still has his moments where he threatens the poor birdie.
Okay but Granoir's are really stupid wtf. You're in the middle of a war and there's arrows everywhere and lots of fighting...you see an injured bird on the ground and you stop fighting TO STAB IT?!?! and to make it worse they just thought it was a random bird!! How can you be that dumb and still be winning this war
From the very beginning Derrick has been sexually obsessed/attracted to penelope. and i mean from the VERY BEGINNING. Penelope assumes that Derrick doesn't like her calling him "oppa" bc he loves yvonne very much...but that's not really the reason. He makes her call him "young master" bc of his attraction/obsession with her. His lust for her began to manifest into hate. He still lusts after her but shows it through hatred. After the trial during the hunting competition he literally insults Vinter (she was thanking Vinter for backing her up during the trial and she refused to talk to Derrick). This man is the scum of scum. At the end of the story him and Penelope are basically strangers (they have no relationship what so ever) but her relationship with Reynold is top tier. They have a true brother-sister relationship.
he has a shitty personality and he's a creep....pick a struggle. anyways vinter best boy. [SPOILERS] he's the only one who truly atoned for his actions against og penelope (and he was the one who didn't rlly do anything besides bring yvonne. he didn't betray her or harm her). After yvonne freed leila and killed everyone, vinter made sacrificed his soul to bring back penelope. He made it so that every time penelope died...everything would reset (hence hard mode and how the game reset every time she died). He reversed time so many times that Penelope's soul was destroyed and that led to the isekai with our current fl. I'm not 100% certain abt this next part but I'm pretty sure she was isekai-ed into the story bc of her soul. You notice how her story and expierence in life are really similar to that of Penelope...like REALLY SIMILAR. that's why she became penelope after penelope's soul was destroyed.
I'm also still in the middle of reading it (though i read the ending bc i'm impatient) which is why i said i'm not sure. I've heard something about a fragment of penelope's soul. She can't be og penelope bc that wouldn't align with the other stuff that happens. She is given the choice to go back to HER world. I'll update this for sure once i read the scene myself.
hey so i found the answer to our conundrum abt penelope's soul and here's the answer.While suffering countless deaths, Penelope's soul was broken down like powder and disappeared in the end.
"Penelope didn't come back anymore. The world stopped.
An eternity passed and....
Finally, a very tiny fragment of the soul has been reincarnated in another world
「And that's exactly you!"
It's a quote from the novel but yeah that's the answer.
so i just found out the novel has smut (▰˘◡˘▰)
https://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/namjang-secretary.105965/
It has spoilers and someone also included the actual smut from the novel so u can go through the pages on there. only 3 pages so it's not a lot.
see i know he's not gonna kill the mc bc he can't (like where would the story go without the mc) but ik for a fact his actions are gonna have some serious consequences....as long as his best friend isn't getting those consequences, i'm good. Like i was sobbing a few chapters ago when i thought he was gonna get killed.
*spoiler warning again*
The FL will marry doha (the uncle) but her polyandrous relationship with all three continues. This is a polyandrous story so do not go into this with the expectation of her choosing one guy. Whilst she does marry doha, her relationship with all of them continues as is. also i'm pretty sure you can't marry multiple ppl in korea so that's probably another reason.
i mean it makes sense. he gets off on watching her have sex with the twins and she likes being sandwiched inbetween two guys. plus it's a polyandrous story so i kinda expected it but i'm glad i was correct.
here are the raws btw
https://blacktoon106.com/webtoon/9393.html
the story gets updated on the 9th, 19th, 29th of every month so we should be getting an update tomorrow (on the raws & official site...not on mangago)
*NOT MY SPOILER I JUST WANTED TO SHARE*
ML #1 - Zion: He is a guy who is love deficient... he wanted love from his family but never got it so he looked for it in women. he is a massive playboy who seems to have commitment issue.. He falls in love with the FL because she seems to understand him or tries to and that she seems to know what he needs. He has the book of the story so he knows storyline events as well. I am not sure how he got it because they barely mentioned it in chapter 80s ish.
srsly… what kind of guy goes for his only friend's ex gf when he knows his friend is still clearly in love with her...
ML #2- Leo: I feel sorry for the dude... He let her go because he thought he wasn't worthy enough of her yet. He wanted to become more handsome and successful so he could proudly ask her to come back to him. The 3 years he wasn't with her, he focused all his time and energy in making something out of himself. He constantly misses her and cried sometimes.. They were together for a year but FL threw it all away with her weak*ss reason. He tried so hard to get her back by wearing his heart on his sleeves just so she could stomp on it all over again....
FL went to a masquerade ball at his residence and the day before the actual ball she said she would consider getting back together with him. But the next day she was caught kissing zion in front of her room when Leo went to see her (it was consensual). she then told him "yea I said I would consider it yesterday but I changed my mind today)….
Leo was so heartbroken so he leaned on og FL (Juliana) shoulder for a bit of comfort... FL Erica saw it and was all sad because he used to only lean on her but he leans on someone else now... Erica left the next day without a word of goodbye.
Juliana the og FL told Leo he could use her to replace all the memories of Erica later. If he misses Erica he can see her. If he wanted to hug Erica he could hug her etc... so he started to lean towards Juliana. Plus they were both illegitimate children so they could relate to one another.
If Erica didn't leave Leo they would have been a happy couple but oh well.
ML #3 Elliot/Alio: Mr. ultimate friend zoned. Not much to say about him because he was innocently obvious when it comes to liking Erica but hasn't said a word yet. Also he is the 2nd prince of the neighboring kingdom.
yes she ends up with zion. she toys with leo's feelings and yulliana comforts him and leo and yulliana end up together. Although they never would've ended up together if erica never broke up with leo.
i dropped the series bc erica is trash and zion is just trash. I'm not about to read an entire manhwa just to watch leo get tormented and eliot silently dote on erica.
i don't know too much abt juliana's story but from what i know, she's fine. she comforts leo after seeing how much erica is playing with his feelings and then they end up together but she hasn't done anything from what i know. juliana is the og female lead in the novel BUT she's not the female lead from out perspective. Erica is the female lead from our perspective and the manhwa/novel is erica's story. i'm not who servis is tho...idk if that was a typo but i can't make out who you're referring to.
the maid that's working for erica (the one that we saw in the recent chapter) isn't yulliana. That's her brother. He looks exactly like her and she started working as erica's maid bc zion asked him to. Erica thinks that he's yulliana but he's a man + yulliana's brother.
They are two separate characters though. Yulliana is a woman and her brother is a man.
idk why i made this decision when commenting the spoilers but i cut out the spoilers for him (legit idk what was going through my head when i wrote it but here are the spoilers for him)
ML #4 Julian: Juliana's brother who looks just like her with long hair. He became a maid of Erica per Zion's recommendation (Erica doesn't know that her maid is a man until later). The webtoon part where you see the maid Juliana kissing Erica's forehead is actually Julian. He uses the name Juliana because he cant use his own name. He was supposed to be dead but Zion found him and saved him (because Zion knew he was going to be killed by his dad the king so he went to save Julian - he knew bc of the book he has) I think I just got tired of the story so I skimmed through the texts at this point. I don't recall too many details on Julian except that he likes to tease Erica in his female maid form.
Ofc thank u for the spoilers. I feel bad (idk why) but imma be dropping this I’m not about to stand by and watch as Erica and Zion get tgt (they deserve each other) while Leo (who legit did nothing wrong) hits it off with Yuliana (I WANTED HER TO AT LEAST BE THE VILAIN YK NOW THERES NO REASON TO HATE HER)
don't feel bad you shouldn't force yourself to read something you don't want to. I also dropped this series and i just wanted to share the spoilers to maybe save someone from wasting their time. also idk what happened to my memory there when i replied to u twice as if i completely forgot i alr replied
zion being a shitty friend too like wtf. and she had the audacity to string leo on and then and get upset when juliana comforted him with that "i know this would happen" mindset....like bitch you pushed him to it. you just kept stomping on his heart and then get upset. zion and erica are both trash.
Lmaooo I was wondering why there were 2 replies that practically said the same thing
Yea you saved me some time so thanks now I have more to read something else :)
Btw do u have any recs in this genre? To see what I’ve already read if u want u can go see my list it has ribbons (I forgot the exact name tho)
i have the memory of a goldfish
I'm looking through your list with the ribbons and we have like the same reads but here are some that i think you might like (forgive my memory if i add something that was on your list....i've alr proven how great my memory is)
- Carrier Falcon Princess
- I'll just live on as the villainess
- Éminence Grise Female lead is trying to make me her stepmom (that long ass title lmao)
- Saving the villain who was abandoned by the female lead
- I will change the genre
- The destroyer fell in love with me (it's not that intense and its lowkey just fluff)
- Villainess maker
- Extra doesn't want to be overly obsessed
I'll give more reccs later but here are some for now. also i saw sweet home in your plan to read and i just wanted to say...READ IT! simp for hyuk with me (my pfp). It's also a great manhwa and you can watch the live action after you read it (tho the manhwa is better and they did my man hyuk so dirty...it's still fun to watch. lee do hyun did a great job as well.)
Omg TY these look so good
I actually already read I will change the genre but idk why I didn’t put it in my list and I tried reading Saving the Vilain Who Was Abandonned By the Female Lead BUT when I saw the girl became small I was like will she stay like that for a long time and I never picked it back up (is it good? The art style was nice and the summary looked good but I wasn’t too sure)
AND SWEET HOME
I didnt actually think about reading this until late December when the live action came out on Netflix
And boy was it good I binged it in less than a day
AND UR TELLING ME THE MANHWA IS BETTER? I was gonna wait for a second season bc the storytelling wasn’t the same but maybe imma go read it instead (btw YES even just in the live action I was such a simp for Hyuk BUT THEY JUST [maybe spoiler for those who’ll read this comment] killed HIM OFF?? I was so sad istg
Yw!!
I love i will change the genre <3 it's so good.
idk how to explain what's happening in "saving the villain who was abandoned by the female lead" without spoiling what's happened after she became a kid so don't read this portion if that bothers u. After she became a kid the ML tried to find a way to break the curse but he couldn't. He ended up looking to the V's (i can't spell their name lmao) for help. He gave up a huge portion of his money in exchange for them adopting her. the V's adopt her, the father looks for ways to break the curse and everyone in that family likes her. as of rn the ML took the curse himself to become younger like her. I like it but you can make ur decision based on that.
SWEET HOME IS SO GOOD!! here's my thing with the live action. They changed the love interests (not upset abt this but i didn't like the personality change of eun (yoo)). Hyun su is with Eun yoo and Jae heon is with Jisu. Eun yoo the sweet girl in the manhwa becomes an absolute bitch (ESPECIALLY to (eun) hyuk). (eun) hyuk and (sang) wook NEVER interact..like at all. My husband is left all alone with no one to defend him. They also did this thing where they tried to include some scenes from the manhwa but they never explained it..and it often made hyuk seem like an asshole when he isn't. One example is the scene with the two kids. Right before hyun went up with wook to go get dusik and the kids, hyuk tells him to leave the kids if it comes down to it...BUT it's later shown that he said this to motivate hyun to bring the kids. One of the major character development scenes that we got was finding out abt how hyuk often says things he doesn't mean in order bc he knows the reaction it will invoke. He says things to motivate others to do a task but he doesn't mean the things that he says. In the live action they just showed the scene where he tells him to leave the kids...but just didn't show the rest of the scene. The thing that upset me with the manhwa is technically he's not dead but they might as well as killed him off. he has the same fate as hyun. They both became a cocoon but the only difference is, they showed hyun actually showed him get out of the cocoon. we know that once u become a cocoon, you will come back human so we know he comes back but they just don't show it. They also made a change with something else but i won't say bc it's a major spoiler for the live action...it pissed me off on another level. You should watch the live action bc it is good but in terms of whats better...def the manhwa.
Woah most of the stuff u said I don’t remember BUT I will trust u and go read the manhwa (and on WEBTOON to somehow support the author) but if there’s a second season of the live action I’ll also go watch it cause I just love the author and the music and all
Also u said they switches the love interests... if it’s not a spoiler what were the love interests in the manhwa?
Yes i'm excited for you to read it. idk if it is going to get a second season bc it came out in december but netflix hasn't renewed or cancelled it. Maybe a random time to recc something but you should watch alice in borderland. IT IS SOOOO GOOD WTF!! it's abt this guy and his friends who find themselves in an alternate version of tokyo and they have to compete in these life or death games in order to survive. The plot is amazing, the cinematography is amazing, the cast is amazing!! you must watch it. it's an adaptation of a manga but imo the live action is better (especially in terms of character likeability and introduction as a whole). it's also on netflix and it came out around the same time as sweet home. Unlike sweet home, netflix has renewed this for a second season and the second season is expected to come out late this year (or early next year if there are any delays due to covid).
In the manhwa hyun and jisu are together. Jayhun has feelings for jisu but nothing happens and eun likes hyun but nothing happens. Wook and Yuri are together in the live action & the manhwa so that stays the same.
Omg is Alice in Borderland THAT GOOD?? I started watching it but (again, for no valuable reason) dropped it and forgot about it since Netflix took it out of my “continue with” for some reason... i just didn’t get where the plot would go since the few first minutes of episode 1 were kinda boring to me... BUT IMMA GO WATCH IT SOON BEFORE I FORGET ABOUT IT AGAIN
AND OMG I shipped Wook and Yuri SO BAAAD but then the last few episodes fcked me up so bad LIKE???? Anyways another reason why imma go read the manhwa
netflix takes stuff out of your continue watching if you don't watch it for a long time. but yes it is THAT good. I remember watching the first few minutes and being like huh but it the plot is great. but yes you should go back and continue watching it!
wook and yuri were so cute i loved them. If you want i can tell u abt their end in the manhwa but again if you don't want to know then i won't tell u.
*spoiler warning again*
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Navier is going to face hell even in the Western Kingdom/Empire (as of rn it's a kingdom but on the day of their wedding they become an empire so Heinley becomes Emperor and Navier becomes Empress). There's this whole other issue in that kingdom with Christa (the former queen who was married to Heinley's late brother). Fun fact Christa has feelings for Heinley even tho they used to be in-laws (she had feelings for him since before she even married his brother) so she doesn't like Navier. Christa isn't as bad as Rashta so relax but she did do some messed up things. Thanks to Kaufman drugging Heinley (love potion), there were some rumors about Heinley and Christa (they were being kinda intimate ON navier and heinley's WEDDING DAY). She tries to use those rumors to her benefit and she lies saying that her and heinley did the deed and she demands he take responsibility and make her his mistress/concubine...yeah. Basically she's been acting as the queen since heinley was unmarried but now there was a queen but she still refused to leave and even heinley wants her to leave after he found out abt her feelings. Kaufman regrets his actions and ends up helping navier and heinley to stop christa's plan. She ends up leaving and on top of that she's humiliated bc her maids told the truth plus kaufman..she was exposed as a liar. Trashta comes to the western empire and tries to stir shit up for Navier. Sovieshit gets drunk at Navier's wedding and it's so f'ing funny. Christa's cousin goes out of his way to always make Navier's life hell. Back to Kaufman drugging Heinley....Heinley literally locked himself in his room until it wore off bc he knew that he wasn't acting like himself and that Kaufman had put something in his drink. The next day he was literally crying...like sobbing..saying that he's sorry for cheating and that he would never do that if it wasn't for the love potion. I literally cried so much in that scene and I will never forgive Kaufman for that. Just get ready y'all because we have a long road of pain ahead of us. even the next few chapters will be hell. Soveshit will literally imprison Heinley and Navier in her parent's home. He has to free Heinley but planned to trap Navier there...so he sends duke ergi to free Heinley but duke ergi is like 'nah imma free both'.
Fun fact:
Heinley is actually a virgin and asks Navier to take the lead on their first night.
Navier found out Heinley was queen when she saw a bird flying in the sky and decided to follow it. She ended up going inside the building bc she had been sure she saw queen go in there and then she saw queen drinking out of a fountain. She then saw queen transform into a naked Heinley. In the novel she mentioned how big his dick is and it was rlly funny to read. After that incident she struggles to look him in the eye bc every time she sees him, she thinks of his dick...but he thinks that she's mad at him. She ends up telling him the truth abt why she's avoiding him and it's so funny. Heinley (he's such a tease lmao) tells her that he can show her his dick anytime she wants so that she doesn't have to constantly keep thinking abt it. There are some more instances like this one so lemme know if y'all wanna hear it.
Shit thats a lot of drama lmao. Im gonna come back to this manhuwa when its finished cuz i cant deal with cliffhangers at the end of every chapter
this isn't even the tip of the ice berg like theres so much more stuff but i'm too lazy to type it all nor do i have the space or time. It's probably for the better bc this manhwa/novel can make u really frustrated and even more so when you have to wait a week for new chapters
You sir, are an absolutely lifesaver. You save me from a heart attack from too many frustration. From now on, I'm gonna hold off on reading this and binge read it when (or if) it ended for real.
also fair warning it's going to take a while before it finishes. Chapter 80 is the equivalent of chapter 83 in the novel and the novel is still ongoing. There are 262 chapters of the novel and 4 side stories are out. There are still more coming.
Do you have a link for an english translation of the novel?
I don't have english translations bc translators were asked to stop translating it. It is my understanding that there is an official english translation in the works but it's going to be a while before that happens. I knew that a few chapters were translated but tbh I didn't bother looking for them since I started reading the novel from where the divorce happens. I didn't care to read the beginning part. If you're reading on google chrome you can just google translate the screen but the pronouns are really messed up so you'll have to think abt what's going on.
https://novel.naver.com/webnovel/list.nhn?novelId=765207
wait i'm dumb i just remembered that before i used naver i temporarily read on novel full. It doesn't have all the chapters so if you're impatient you can just use naver after reading all that's available on novel full.
https://readnovelfull.com/remarried-empress.html
How about the infertility issue? (ノ°_o)ノ⌒┫ ┻ ┣ ┳Senpai(゚ο゚人))
SPOILER!!
According to a forum full of spoilers, Heinley’s bed or whosever bed they do the deed has magic of some sort which healed navier. It took some time for navier to get completely healed but apparently they were active in bed and so navier became preggy with twins ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~
WTFFFF I DIDNT KNOW ABOUT CHRISTA IM STILL AT KAUFMAN ARRIVING AT WESTERN KINGDOM PART HOLY FCKKKKK
actually it's kinda open ended. It's unclear if she actually was infertile and the magic helped OR if she was never infertile in the first place (& it was actually sovieshit that was infertile. side note: i started calling him that as a joke but then i forgot how to spell his name soo.....)
[MAJOR SPOILER] yeah she tries to use kaufman bc she thinks he hates navier. She wanted to form a partnership with him but it doesn't really work out for her. She ends up committing suicide after she's banished and confined in that one place that i forgot the name of (oops). I don't necessarily hate her bc she's not as bad as rashta (or that bad of a person in general) but that whole concubine incident just rubbed me the wrong way.
Rashta finds out abt christa and intentionally gets christa drunk to get info out of her. She's the first person to find out about christa's feelings for heinley. She doesn't rlly get to use that information bc of the whole situation with kaufman and christa. Everything is already exposed but Rashta does spread rumors about Navier's infertility (which soveshit scolds her for bc she literally did it on Navier's wedding day in front of a bunch of ppl).
This part is open ended (idk if they'll make it more clear in the manhwa but it's not clear in the novel). The bed that Navier and Heinley sleep/have sex on is a magic bed. It could be that both Sovieshit and Navier are infertile and the magic bed healed her infertility or it could be that Sovieshit was infertile which is why she never got pregnant. Rashta was already pregnant with her baby before her and Sovieshit met (and u can't get pregnant if you're already pregnant) so there is a chance that Navier was infertile and sovieshit wasn't but it's all in the air. The main point is that she does end up having twins with Heinley so ig all's well that ends well.
I remember Sovieshit found out that Trashta's kid is not his, how did that happen?
Also thanks a lot for this! They have like 221 chapters? Maybe by the time I actually start reading there will be more up! ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~
He has always been suspicious bc (1) Navier never got pregnant when she was with him but immediately pregnant when she got married to Heinley (2) no matter how hard he looked he could never find any resemblance between him and "his daughter" (3) he's also aware of rashta and her lying tendencies (not to mention the way she treats others. she tried to execute and torture so many ppl that he had to step in and take away her ability to do that). He asks her for a paternity test but she remembers the advice duke ergi gave her abt not taking paternity test...so she refuses. This causes so many rumors to come up about her kid being someone else's (the rumors sweep nobles, commoners, and aristocrats alike). She ends up agreeing to it so the rumors die down afterwards. Sovieshit makes Allan come to the paternity test bc he planned on making Allan take the test as well.The test came up negative as being his kid and positive as Allan's. Allan tried to refuse to take the test bc he has no relation with Rashta but Rashta ends up striking him bc he called her "Rashta" and not "the empress" or "her majesty". But yeah that's how that happened.
Also the chapters on novel full don't equal one chapter of the novel. Chapter 221 on there isn't even chapter 138 of the novel so it is really behind. But yeah you can wait and read it on there or read it on naver. :)
The disapointment I feel is inmeasurable
Sorry to suddenly burge in your discussion. But what happened to Sovieshit after he found out about it all?
This is the start of his regret so nothing happens to him directly after. The paternity test leads to him starting to regret everything and it leads to rashta's karma. He puts rashta on trial for all of her crimes and she basically threatens him by saying "if i go down, you go down with me" but sovieshit just doesn't care. She goes on trial and is found guilty. Navier and heinley are there bc navier was there to testify against rashta. This maid who's tongue she had cut out (for "ripping the feathers off of the blue bird"), was also there to testify as well as some others. Rashta basically reveals to everyone that sovieshit is infertile. Whilst Rashta was in prison (i'm pretty sure this was before the trial though i could be wrong) she did try to escape. One of her maids helped her but Rashta stabbed her to death after she helped....yeah rashta is crazy af...i forgot his name but this duke had prepared a carriage for her. However duke tuaina (idk how to spell his name but the one who divorced his wife just bc rashta claimed she cheated) stopped them. The duke who helped rashta was also imprisoned. Sovieshit anticipated this would happen but didn't do anything bc he knew duke tuaina would stop them. Anyways rashta was sentenced to be locked in this tower for the rest of her life and whither away (pretty good punishment but unfortunately she didn't get to serve her punishment). Literally on the first night there someone slipped her a pill (poison) along through the flood slot in the door. She knew what it was and she took the poison. She didn't regret any of her actions and doesn't think she did anything wrong and she also claims to have loved sovieshit very much. Her body isn't found until a week later and it's already decomposed at that time and the only identifying feature on the corpse is her white hair. If you ask me whoever slipped that poison is an annoying prick bc she didn't even get to serve out her punishment for a day like wtf is that. Anyways.....allan and the viscount are also executed but levetti manages to survive. After all this sovieshit's mental health begins to seriously deteriorate and he ends up throwing himself out a window. he survives and when he wakes up, he has lost 5 years of his memory and asks about where navier is. His aide tells him that he divorced navier and that navier is now empress of the western kingdom. Sovieshit can't believe that he (the mature version of himself) would do that and he wants to go see her but his aide talks him down. He develops a split personality where during the night he is his regular self and during the day he lost 5 years of his memory. Eventually he does get his memories back during both time periods but his mental health is shit and the empire begins to crumble. Rashta used up a lot of royal funds to pay back her debts to the viscount and she also gave territory to duke ergi...but this territory is actually valuable. It is near the sea and without that territory, it's hard for the eastern empire to defend itself. Sovieshit is unfit to rule at this point and he doesn't have an heir...in the case that sovieshit doesn't have an hier, the duke (who helped rashta) was supposed to take the throne BUT he can't do that bc he's in prison. Navier's father ends up temporarily assuming the role bc he has control over the military and he's the most fit. However navier's daughter will be the emperor of the eastern empire when she comes of age. i say emperor and not empress bc the emperor is the actual ruler of an empire and the empress is the wife and could easily be dethroned if divorced (as navier is) and that's why in manhwa's like "men of the harem" (same author), latil is referred to as the emperor and not the empress. Navier's son is the heir of the western empire. Sovieshit is talking to his aide and he regrets everything. He talks about how all his messed up decisions led him to his point and he wishes he could go back and change what he's done.
You asked for what happened to sovieshit but the paternity thing related more to rashta so i said both of their endings.
Wow thank you so much for taking time to elaborate it. Such a good ending for the selfish emperor and Navier's family. I am looking forward to it