We really need to also see this character's wrongdoing too... there are so many glowing him up when he's a hypocrite.
You guys, he knew Homin and Hyesung had sex the night before when he has sex with him, he literally says so before hand, revealing the hicky left on Homin's shoulder. He gets onto Homin correctly, don't get me wrong, but him having sex with Homin is also "unfair to Hyesung" (what he gets onto Homin about). It's the same thing.
He does seems like he might have been/still be in love with Homin given the pained/irritated expression he shows at being used as a substitution, but regardless the issue with the action remains. As he says to Homin "that was before you met again and had sex".
How do you have sex with him, then turn around after having your fill and say "no more, the casual sex isn't okay now that you met Hyesung after all these years and had sex, it isn't fair to Hyesung"...
I was already pretty pissed about the ghosting, but THIS...
You literally JUST had sex with Hyesung last night! He told you he likes you! And now you're anxious because you're getting closer so you have sex with someone else to relieve it?!
And say whatever stupid shit you want about "he doesn't owe him anything", it's still shitty to partake and then hoe around literally the next day. That is not without a sense of shittyness, i hope Hyesung finds out tbh...
I feel like I'd be okay if this was all just the prologue showing why Hyesung realized he was gay and then moved on to someone else.
Let the stupid uke be stress free with his side piece, since being with his crush is too stressful.
Yes, Hyesung deserves someone waay better, someone who will treat him with respect and dignity! Uke can sleep around, his choice, but far away from my poor seme!
Why aren't the other wings responding to her yet?
Also, that Noelle powerup foreshadowing is exciting.
Someone said their fakes ( not including Noelle and Ahuin )
But Ahuin still hasn't awakened as her wing, though he did hear her calling for him.
he's a slow waking one because he was josephina's wing before leticia was born aka when she was still a saintess so his body is slowly making the transfer to leticia
Oh, okay.
Yet she decided to give birth to Leticia anyways then blame her diminishing powers on her? Trashefina!
So many gorgeous, buff men... and they are all warriors!
Gives me black dagger brotherhood vibes so far.
He found out his mother abandoned him for her own safety because he was mixed blood and now Violet has seemingly given him no choice but to think she cheated since he can't physically get her pregnant and his aide just told him the evidence looks like she is cheating with that actor guy.
He chose to believe in her, but this is seemingly irrefutable proof... he was already emotional before finding that tidbit out...
And those of you pissy he didn't tell her he's STERILE (well... sorta, there are specifics) need to grow up... seriously... it's not about your opinion or even Violet...
excuse me, did u even read the story? she isn't pregnant, it's just a scheme that her husband's mother set up
yea but winter doesn't know that ;;;
they will figure it out i guess
rlly hope he does ┗( T﹏T )┛
He ignored her for 3 years, yes, BUT... he was making money for her, to feel worthy of her, it was just getting siphoned by his parents. He actually was busy and wasn't seeing the red flags, because everyone was in on her being treated that way. It was all hushed because everyone was doing it.
People... they're BOTH in the dark. It's the parents that are the cause of the *majority* (we'll go over their personal issues in a second) of Violet's pain.
Because of his parents, the dresses he got Violet were "returned", so he thinks she's looking down on them and that she doesn't want to be with him. And he agrees! To him that conclusion is natural ANYWAYS, regardless of his parents' meddling, because he's 'a useless orphan' and she's 'the princess'. This was a plot of his parents, they intentionally made his view of her skewed.
What specifically is he responsible for? That would be the neglect. Not the skewed view of her, but rather not giving her some of his time when she asked for it. He was busy for those 3 years making money, but he should've made sure she was okay. The thing is, he thinks she hates him and that she is a pampered princess going to whine to him even though he's trying so hard for her, because of his inferiority complex and because of his parents.
She's not giving him the benefit of the doubt either, she always assumes he is pissed any time they interact. This is because she thinks he didn't want the marriage either, because of the massive loss of money. To him that was nothing and he fell for her during their marriage before working his ass off to give her the life he thinks she wants while thinking she hates him.
They just need to communicate, that's it. They're in love! It's plotting and miscommunication along with skewed views of each other that are getting in the way. WHICH ISN'T THEIR FAULT! They're both assuming the worst of each other by design.
Exactly! Tysm
No problem.
The comments hating on him are a bit ridiculous... "how did you not notice?!". Um... by design? It's almost offensive because it's the same energy as blaming someone for their friend's death for not noticing their friend is suicidal... if she died it would be something that happened TO him too, he loves her...
Meh idk, the parents do suck for getting in the way so much but the neglect was severe and definitely abuse. She tried to communicate all that time and it got her no where, to the point she had to put up with a doctor that was actively harming her. Plus it drove her to suicide…*twice*. Like I’m pretty sure at this point she’ll still down to do it even if it kills her.
Yeah, he should've given her the time to talk, but he was under the impression that she was just going to complain because she snobby and not happy with him or their marriage, which was done by design by his parents. This coupled with that everyone was in on it, therefore not allowing him to find out, makes this more nuanced than just saying "he neglected her".
Nah buts that’s the thing, if it was just his misconception of her then took notice of how she actually was by spending time with her, I would of let it slide but this went on for not just months but YEARS and he never once tried to get to actually know her. Honestly if he was at war or something for three years and just didn’t put in the effort to write her then I wouldn’t really care as much. However he ACTIVELY ignored her anytime she came to him. His character is not that fuckin stupid or incompetent and even with other people getting in the way, how can you not have one conversation with your wife?
Talk about what? Thats a very meta argument. The plot is that he didn't know anything was happening, he just thought she was going to complain because in between each of those times she tried to talk to him he was being told that she returned all the dresses he worked for and bought her.
Yes, he could've done stuff, had he known. Idk. He's a part of her pain, but incorrectly because she misunderstands him. Understandably, because he's being led to think she's also a certain way.
I just noticed in this comment section that husband is getting the majority of hate, yes we don't like him
But, i think the ones to be blamed here are the parents and ash
I learned that when you put black ants and fire ants in a jar they won't fight but if you shake the jar they will start killing each other
So all the blame goes to the one who shook the jar, it's just my opinion but those people behind all of this are the ones to be hated and receive all blame
It's alright not to accept the ml but please see who are the real antagonists here
okay so I went back to reread, just to see if he wasn't as bad as I thought, and in the second chapter she is BEGGING him (so not a communication problem since she is actually trying) to go to a dance with her just once (because of how badly she is treated there) and how does he respond? "do you know how much money I lost from this marriage? Did you forget that I spent twenty-four million lakne just to buy the status you were so lucky to be born with? ... If you know, then do one or the other: return the money or bestow the title upon me as a princess. if you can't do either, then just sit quietly and don't cause trouble" this is after three years of marriage, he treats her as nothing but a nuisance and hold the money he lost over her head. Plus it is obviously implied that this is nothing new cuz she tries to kill herself for the first time after the party. So even if give him every single benefit of the doubt then he would still be complicit in what is going on.
He doesn’t hold the money he lost over her head. You need to remember this is primarily from Violet’s perspective. The losing money has never been an issue for Winter. He’s worried that losing it makes Violet regret marrying him (just like she’s worried he feels he got scammed into marrying her) and that’s why he works hard constantly. The two of them are fundamental opposites. Winter is modern and believes money can solve everything and serve as a representation of love (because it’s what granted him love from his father and helped solve any problem he had such as hunger, violence, etc) while Violet is extremely traditional and born rich. Money is a commodity to her, not a necessity like it is to Winter. These misunderstandings and their fundamentals being naturally opposite of one another set up the misunderstandings which only worsen because they don’t talk. In Winter’s eyes, what does the princess have to complain about and interrupt his business meeting for (which he’s having to raise more money for her)? Now he’s finally realizing but yea, rant over
Dude he literally asks her to return the money. That is unless you think she is an unreliable narrator and that’s not something he said (which would be really rare to see in manga). How is that not holding it over her head?
Like you could say he doesn’t actually believe she needs to repay him but then what he says to her and what he actually thinks does not match up.
"Dude he literally asks her to return the money."
He also said the opposite, that it didn't matter to him.
He said that at that time because he thought she was going to be pompous and complain and ask for things even though he's been working to give her a luxurious life.
T-raw, the quote is lacking context. He's made to look bad and then thoughts and machinations are revealed after. He actually doesn't care, he was just dismissing her at the time because he thought she was acting spoiled.
Look at ch 8 and ch 9:
He made money to be worthy of her and only says to pay the money back bexause he doesn't want her to leave him. It's not about the money. She just thinks it is.
??!?!?? Huh? That’s my entire point tho, his thoughts do not matter if he doesn’t communicate them to her. I’m not talking about the parents actions (which are just as bad) or his thoughts, only his direct actions and the way he talked towards her and how they were abusive whether he intended for them to be or not.
Like his lack of communication and how his thoughts don’t match what his says is my biggest issue with the dude.
I replied under your post and you got bitchy with me, you're two faced and fake af being all "discussion time!" while simultaneously being a cunt and telling me that my opinion is "invalid because that's not what's said in the manga". Like everything needs to be in explicit dialogue.
You're very clearly one of the monster Jun stans, not sure why you even put on the act.
Honestly, everything you said, but back at you because you did everything you said. You posted like four times in a row and then went on to comment under multiple peoples' comments. Not that that matters since this is a comments section...
I loved how you blocked me btw, i decided to be petty and do the same. Guess you didn't like that since you obsessively wrote two public comments at me and replied under both.
This whole "they aren't together" argument is very popular, so let's go into that real quick too.
Okay, so we know they have mutual feelings, we know one confessed to the other and when that happened the confessee allowed him to have sex with him without rejecting him (obviously, given he was happy af about it and loves him).
What exactly about that implies the answer wasn't "yes"? At the very least, in Hyesung's eyes it certainly looks like a yes. No arguments against that, if you try you're delusional.
So now, how would this not be cheating, exactly? And even entertaining that it's not cheating, it's still just shitty in general as we all knew upon reading what happened. You can just FEEL it's shitty. We already know his reasoning for sleeping with Hyung, it was "because he's stressed" and "anxious because they're getting closer and he's afraid of losing Hyesung". We have all the facts here. They don't look good...
One final thing, Homin himself says that the reason he's scared is because he and Hyesung are getting closer and the relationship may end, what does "getting closer" reference if not that they're dating now? They were already best friends, what's closer? Boyfriends... He's saying that he's scared of being with him because the relationship may end.
you have to be in a formal relationship to cheat. also it clearly says that he's in denial that he's loved back. so in his emotional confusion, he goes back to having sex to deal with his trauma. that's not the same as being sleazy. sex is his emotional coping mechanism and his outlet for his trauma.
Also anxiety is very often not logical. that's the point.
I keep seeing you mention his trauma
What trauma does he have exactly?
the trauma of being gay in a very conservative society, and the trauma of having to keep his sexuality a huge secret from his best friend, and also the trauma of feeling like he had to leave his best friend to escape his stress. He also probably felt like he was betraying his best friend by being in love with him
eh i don’t think that’s how BL works chief
Unless it’s specifically stated, I think you’re reaching
Yeah, rn he's just a coward. He's just "scared", nothing mentioned about trauma.
Kittykat's using projection to argue.