He just doesn't realize his feelings yet, don't hate him too much. He's not even able to be with other people at this point... He'll catch on. And with how casual the omega is, looks like he might have to pursue him for something more serious eventually
So firstly, I wouldn't say the FL is "weak", it's more like she's powerless. She's a very strong person that has endured a hell-like life for the sake of her sister. She's been abused physically and verbally since she was a child and because she's pretty she's always had men lusting after her and people assuming that she's a whore and uses her looks to get things. Since she's a "noble" (in name only), pretty much everyone around her assumes she's a sheltered princess, which couldn't be further from the truth. The entire story is just *riddled* with people assuming things about her.
People in the comments seem pissed off that she used the ML, but she had no choice. It was that or marry an old man under threat that if she didn't, her sister would have to. Her real plan was to have the ML take her virginity so that her betrothed would get pissed and call off the engagement. She knew her step-sister wanted to marry her off for the connection, she wanted to get revenge on her family by ruining that connection. She wanted to run away from the situation so bad that for a second she panicked and ran to the ML and asked him to take her away. She didn't know his feelings and was surprised when he very quickly kissed her and made his feelings known. He told her he can't take her away, but that he would kill her betrothed. She didn't take him seriously. She assumed he wouldn't be able to, she was just planning to get caught during her wedding night no longer being a virgin and getting revenge when all the sudden her betrothed and his son are dead.
So she used him to take her virginity and he jumped at the thought that she loved him. Which she did and does, but he didn't realize that she didn't *just* use him, it was also exactly how he thought. She tried to explain that she can't leave because of her sister, but he left her there feeling betrayed by her thinking she *just* used him. He still doesn't know how she feels and now someone is trying to force her to make him fall out of love with her so there's more to misunderstand now in how she's acting.
This all could have been avoided if she had just took her sister and left with him when he came for her. Either she never brought up the topic of running away with him and bringing her sister because she really was just using him and she was saying what he wanted to hear. Or author was just lazy with the plot and didn’t even consider this an option. Joining a monastery was stupid because it took her away from her beloved sister and I’m 99% sure they would have sold her little sister to the highest bidder in like a year tops.
instead of saying she’s weak or powerless, I will say she hasn’t been making smart decisions （￣へ￣）
I think the idea is that her sister is in the father's clutches, like he can do whatever he wants with her whenever.
NO FR THIS WHAT I BEEN SAYING LIKE HUHH
Thank you! I feel like im the only one empathising and crying with the fml's who are constantly abused and are still blamed in the comments
This really isn't funny anymore, y'all just aren't reading...
He has imperial blood, the ruling family ordered her to bring him. The father is using the son to get Rein to him...
Also, just want to say that ch 76 makes me think I was right that he had his memories as a child, it showed him both as a kid and as an adult with the yellow bird in his cage...
As he called her his god
Rein:
- Regressed and, in canon, immediately had all her memories right away. Her consciousness just gets sent into her younger self, regression.
- Accidentally ran into Wilhelm at a younger age when a man tried to rape her and he "just happened" to be there. She recognized him from her last life as her shitty husband's mad dog that listened to any order that was given to him and carried it out without a single bit of hesitation.
- Took young Wilhelm in to use him for her plans, because if he grew up and followed his original timeline he'd be a force to be reckoned with on her ex husband's side. The one she plans to get revenge on.
- With the mindset of using him, still genuinely cared for him since he's a child and treated him as a mother would a son. Not seeing him as a romantic interest in the slightest, actually being in love with Dietrich, a main point of contention for Wilhelm in his new role at her side. At this point it looks like he's *fallen* in love with her, but this is before the reveal that he's actually a regressor that was already obsessed with her (literally worships her as his master and goddess. Literally).
- Has Dietrich teach him to be a knight (a noble profession in a medieval setting) so he can fight battles for her as he did for her husband in his past life. He seems to have no issue with this until he notices that she is not looking at him as a possible romantic partner, since she raised him. Then suddenly he wants to bring it up to her, only after being caught manipulating (he killed Dietrich intentionally) to be like "well you used me" so she feels bad for him.
- Gives both Wilhelm and Dietrich a cloth, Wilhelm hates this and kills him to take it and because he needed him out of the picture so he could be her lover.
- Asks Wilhelm about Dietrich's belongings and is lied to that there were none found.
- Continues on with her plan to have him wage war while grieving Dietrich, but unable to stop her plan now to grieve as it was a crucial time. During this time, Wilhelm works on changing her image of him from "boy I raised" to a possible romance option by flirting, playing the part of a cute puppy lover to her and "being there for her" in her grief over Dietrich even though he caused it and knew that while doing this the whole time.
- Thinking Dietrich is dead, after much deliberation on how she feels for Wilhelm since up till now and his flirting she has never looked at him as a romantic option, gives in to his wants and demands to change the nature of their relationship. She determines it's weird and she's not into it, but will literally throw that to the curb for the sake of her goal of revenge. Now their relationship is more romantic as he wanted.
- Is hinted to by Wilhelm that he's a regressor too, she's just confused about this till after the crown prince dies.
- Basically waits around until he kills her ex for her. She doesnt like that he took it into his own hands, but deals with it and finally truly feels love for Wilhelm in her heart (not just putting up with the discomfort as she had chosen to do earlier) and they have sex, getting her pregnant. Has the talk about regression with him, he lies saying that he had no memories until after the battle Dietrich died in.
- Truly enjoys life with Wilhelm for a bit there, but then we're foreshadowed that someone knows something Wilhelm was lying about. He looks at her with his trademark "my true nature" crazy eyes to keep her fucking mouth shut or he'll kill her. Rein gets suspicious anyways because of what she heard, but puts it to the side for a bit.
- More enjoying life until she sees the cloth on his sword that he himself had told her to her face wasn't there. Finally she has no choice but to acknowledge literal reality as it is in her face. She confronts him with that he intentionally tried to kill Dietrich and he lies to get out of this by trying to reframe things. He said that he didn't remember his past life until it was too late and Dietrich had already died. He also lies saying that he hid the cloth because he didn't want to make her sad and claims that he cared about Dietrich too, with crocodile tears in his eyes.
- Meets with one of the people who were there with Dietrich and Wilhelm at the battle who tells Rein how "impressive" Wilhelm was in the battle, taking charge and leading the men with such precision that it was to the point that it was like he knew what was going to happen. This reveals the first part of his lie: he remembered at the time of death. She leaves him, deciding to break up, but still believing the second part of his lie that he at least cared for Dietrich at one point.
- Reunites with Dietrich, who meets with Wilhelm for her. She decides to watch the encounter because of what he'd said about caring about Dietrich. Upon seeing him, she noticed that his *very* first reaction on seeing him, no provocation yet, is to exclaim and put his hand on his sword. He doesn't know Dietrich is alive and if what he said to her is true, the context here is supposedly that his loved friend has come back from the grave. Hence it all being a lie, the suspicions she had earlier that he knowingly did it being confirmed.
- Decides to have his baby, despite how completely and utterly disgusted she is with what he did to her, because she doesn't feel it would be fair to the baby. So it's basically a rape child at this point. Tries to take care of it at first, but gradually falls more and more into post partum as it starts to look more and more like the guy she despises (and still loves, which makes it worse because it's just constant feeling of betrayal. His plan worked, she really did fall in love with him).
- She eventually leaves him to Dietrich to raise as she can't handle it anymore to take care of him.
- Flash forward some years and now she's dropping the child off with his father as she birthed him and did all she could for as long as she could under the circumstances and now his toxic psychopath father is using him to try and get in contact again. Ever the manipulator. He heard the child looks like him and jumped right on that when using her *father's sword* (huge detail, the sword has always been important to her) failed. At this point he hits her with the "I didn't kill him! He's alive! He came here with you!", which much to my disappointment was actually taken as a valid argument in the comments section... Of course that's a completely stupid argument, since he didn't intend for Dietrich to live. The issue being the psychotic manipulation, which persists whether Dietrich lived or not. Rein still grieved for him for years. She had to live in a world without him, that was her reality and Wilhelm benefited from that all according to his plan. Unfortunately he was discovered after obtaining everything he wanted, her heart.
Of course, because FL is a saint and she never manipulated ML.... The discussion they have is absurd. Mc does not accept the love he feels for Dietric and his failure to not be his female partner. Now absolutely all the blame is on the ML.... it's absurd.
He has his entire life turned sideways and he just... Takes it all in stride. He ends up in a hotel room with a guy, as a straight man, and not only has sex the one time, but also when they wake up and even honestly admits he wants to keep doing it. He immediately wonders if they're dating now, decides they must be and reacts with that in mind when told that he'd probably have no issue having sex with other guys now. He just starts dating him with no drawn out concerns or drama. Then when it becomes public he just lets himself be outed and rolls with it, worrying more about his bf than people's opinions and ends up publicly dating him with even his work friends knowing!
He even accepted the confession in front of everyone at work lol
Is the abuse revealed later? She just said he's never been hurt and her inner thoughts seem to confirm that. It looks like she took care of him as long as she could, but over time couldn't handle how much he was like his father growing up and then Dietrich stepped in to take care of him.
She neglected him though, which is a form of abuse and she basically had Dietrich raise him
He's the equivalent of a rape child, she just didn't want to abort him. Her not forming a bond with the child at first falls under post partum and the fact that she left him to a close friend that treated him well isn't that bad given the circumstances. You have to keep in mind the story. We're not just discussing "whether neglect is bad", it's a specific story where she falls pregnant during the period of time where she's being deceived by him, it's a long process of him convincing her to love him despite her own conflictions with their original relationship. They only finally have sex recently when he helps her fulfill her revenge and then she learns that over that entire time he'd been manipulating her to like the worst degree possible. He tried to kill Dietrich to remove the "love" spot that was already filled in her life, to leave it vacant and take it after convincing her not to look at him as just a boy. He also did it because he was jealous that she gave Dietrich a cloth too, hence him going and taking it and then keeping it the whole time. He then played pillar of support for her in her grief, even though he's the reason her reality was shattered...
This all almost went perfect to plan. He just got caught because Dietrich didn't actually die and a loose end started blabbing about how the possessions were found, unlike he'd been claiming the whole time. There's a common trend here in the comments of people genuinely just... Not grasping who Wilhelm is as a character. The parts where he just stares at people with crazy eyes is the truth, the rest is a facade. He is crazy. Rein goes crazy for revenge, but the rest isn't a facade. She does still care for the people around her. Wilhelm didn't care about Dietrich
I honestly don’t care about their relationship anymore, they are both toxic to each other. But saying that oh she left the child with a close friend isn’t bad, is crazy. The child doesn’t understand why his mother doesn’t want him. He just wants to be around his mom and she is openly rejecting him and then offering him to Wilhelm (like an object) knowing that Wilhelm is not stable enough to be a father.
I'm still on board with MC getting her revenge now that I've seen he hasn't changed like it was making it seem up till now. But I kinda just think MC is a horrible person. She's basically a serial killer villainess that regressed. It makes you think you're going to root for her at first and then you see that in reality she does anything for her goal, including killing decent people. Jeremi and Emiliana actually made me pretty upset, they were good people and Emiliana regressed to save him. I want her to get her revenge of Kleio, but I also ended up wanting some good ending for those two, even if it wasn't Jeremi becoming emperor. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
No coz emiliana was acting all high and mighty. She thought that she could change everything and was better then anyone just because she regressed. She acted all stupid and went against mc head on without an actual plan when ppl were dying left and right. I don't necessarily think they were good. They wanted to survive, like the mc. She wants to protect her family and herself. And she is doing that with any means necessary. Whereas emiliana was just talking big. I think that the whole po8nt of kleo become a cheater once king is to show that ppl do change with power. Not just him specifically. So would have emiliana and Jeremy. You think that she would have left mc alone and not tried to kill her to get rid of potential danger if she were to become queen? Either she would have been smart and killed her or stupid and let her live to die herself later on. That is the nature of this imperial palace. Surviving
Emiliana was acting like she just regressed after having died to the MC and knowing in hindsight that that's what happened. She would've killed the MC afterwards, probably, but only because she had already been killed by her and had a whole turnaround and tried to be smart to get what she wants before being outsmarted by MC
I never saw her act better than everyone, it was just standard "pure woman hardened by death by betrayal wants to save the one she loves in this life", she was basically a typical regressor. MC was overexposed doing all sorts of messed up shit and now she doesn't feel like someone I can really root for. Emiliana just wanted to save Jeremy
girl if emiliana was the mc u would hate her too yes mcs not a good person but don’t act like mc is so much worse than emiliana bc they are basically parallel to each other, not thru actions but mindsets and thoughts if ykwim
2nd timeline of emiliana is a lot like past mc, she will commit murder for her fiance after what she’s gone thru (her and her fiance being killed by mc) do u see how this seems a lil familiar? like how mc is doing this messed up stuff to save her parents?
further down the line i guarantee she would’ve ended up like mc being a serial killer
mc understands this and has to take her out bc think abt it for a sec why would she spare them when there’s a big chance of her, her family, and lover dying as a result? (in truth, emiliana would do the EXACT same thing if she was in mcs position)
Gotta say, ch 19 has to be like the worst place for the translations to end off on. Hopefully we get more soon. He was finally going to be given the stern reason he needs to get over his crush since he's getting married now. Now hopefully he can move on and devote all his time to the seme. He loves him already anyways... He's just emotionally constipated and a little hung up on his crush to realize it, but he's already thinking of them equally in his head. Like "which one is making me feel this way?" and "how can you both just be chatting it up right now?". It's both of them that are making his heart go off. He's also putting the seme on a pedestal and always thinking about how he's too good for him. Clearly the issue isn't attraction
I think this is more gray than people are acknowledging. Like, with that being a part of the story even...
It's not like he just raped her on their first night, he had just set up a deal between them that she agreed to that he would try to get her pregnant within a month. Sure, she wasn't expecting the sex right there and then and she takes issue with that he was rough, wording it as that he did whatever he wanted, but to say she didn't consent to the sex seems off. It was within her own interest and she did agree to the deal. She doesn't even know yet why he treated her like that the first time. I mean, WE know that in his head he was being an asshole for personal reasons, but she just looks back on it and goes "?" right now. She just said that. She's noted the change in his behavior since literally the next day, since he realized she was a virgin.
I think it's important that he's realized he did wrong, is actually looking at her now and is trying to do right. And that matters because it's explicitly a part of the story that she does not hate him for anything he's done. She just said that. She's not feeling raped, he just irritated her that night. It's not part of the story that she feels raped, it's just not. I'm sure he's going to face some backlash in a bit though, because she was just thinking about why he was acting like that at first and contemplated that it might be because of the rumors. So I see it maybe being a hurdle in a second where he has to make up for it. Not for the "rape", but for the fact that he believed the rumors for a time.
This is fiction so it doesn't have to reflect real life right and wrong. But in real life if you coerce someone to have sex, like your boss says "have sex or you will lose your job" and you say "yes" it's not consensual sex. She's "alright" with it cause of the values within the story of a fictiona historical society.
I don't think the comparison is accurate. She's a competitive girlboss that agreed to the terms with the intent to win that later outright says that she isn't mad at him for anything he's done so far. In this scenario in which she was given the choice to have sex with him to get what she wants, we've been told directly how she feels about that and her concern seems more about the lack of care he had at first rather than the sex itself. She notably comments about how gentle he is after that and clearly considers it pleasing.
The scenario you're comparing to is a lot more forced since nothing in it implies that the person is actually impartial to the sex and may even be okay with it. All we're told in your scenario is that the person was told they will lose their job if they don't have sex with their boss. The boss also isn't fleshed out in the same way the ML is either, with the ML actually not being a bad guy and treating her right now and regretting his misunderstanding.
Whether he's a good or bad guy is irrelevant. Whether she agrees is also irrelevant
It's okay in their fictional society. But this behavior is not okay in real society. It's coercion.
"Sexual coercion is when a person pressures, tricks, threatens, or manipulates someone into sex. It is a type of sexual assault because even if someone says yes, they are not giving their consent freely."
In the United States this behavior may be legally considered abuse, assault, or sexual harassment depending on the state law. He says"have sex with me or I will not give you a divorce". Calling it a bet doesn't really change that he is holding her legal status and life hostage.
If you want to learn more about consent and coercion in real life, here is a good article. I don't mean to be condescending but it's really important that we all know how to identify abuse in case we encounter it. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/sexual-coercion
"In the United States this behavior may be legally considered abuse, assault, or sexual harassment depending on the state law. He says"have sex with me or I will not give you a divorce". Calling it a bet doesn't really change that he is holding her legal status and life hostage."
It's not just that "he's calling it a bet", it actively is. And they wrote a contract so I disagree on the legal aspect. Honestly, it feels like you're projecting and arguing a possible outcome/an imagined scenario in which things were perceived more negatively by the people involved rather than the actual reality of what we read. I understand that coercion exists and what it is, but the relevant rebuttal here is that that isn't the emotional context of the situation, as I've already pointed out.
Forgot one more thing:
It's also not just that "she agreed", it's that she agreed and FEELS in accordance with that. We have the emotional context here, she's not mad at him. She's not feeling raped, she's feeling confusion about his intentions and like she's going to try to win the deal. Competitive. That's just the story.
Her emotions impact her health and whether she's taking lasting harm from his actions. It impacts their relationship going forward. But it doesn't change his actions.
By abusing his legal power over her as his spouse his is being abusive. From the moment it says "have sex with me OR" I won't give you something you need, or you will face consequences. He is doing something morally and legally wrong. It's not as wrong as more harmful types os assault and coercion but it IS wrong. "Feeling raped" is not the measure of consent.
It's like if you go up to someone and slap them across the face. Well they didn't feel that hurt, it was a light slap, we laughed it off, they didn't feel threatened. That's all good but it's still not okay to do that.
"It's like if you go up to someone and slap them across the face. Well they didn't feel that hurt, it was a light slap, we laughed it off, they didn't feel threatened. That's all good but it's still not okay to do that."
I'm having trouble imagining a scenario in which you would slap someone across the face lightly and the person would *genuinely* not care. In that context, the "laughter" would most likely be a coping mechanism. But if it was light, if the person didn't care that the person did it and if they didn't feel threatened then I really don't see how you could say "it's still not okay", it'd clearly be a joke. It wouldn't really be your business to step in and be like "hey, you shouldn't slap people", it's not a big deal to anyone involved as you've set for the background here, you'd be overstepping and imposing your own morals on someone else's personal relationship.
There are people who are made of sterner stuff that don't get effected by things that you would perceive as going too far. Like, choking someone is wrong too but I doubt you'd tell someone who consensually chokes their S.O. not to do that "because it's bad to choke people and you could face legal repercussions". That legal repercussions could be involved in only relevant if it's relevant.
I don't think I need to clarify, but just in case I'll make it clear that by "choking", I mean sexually.
He's so dense