canineteeth July 6, 2021 1:20 am

considering how this webtoon started i never anticipated how wholesome yoon & vasya’s relationship would end up being..not just vasya worrying that this incident would trigger yoon, but also the way that yoon always looks genuinely happy when he’s with vasya now which makes you realize how rarely he smiled earlier in the story

ALSO that was a big deal imo when vasya said he was gay if he was dating yoon . like discussion over whether he’s actually bi or had a late in life discovery isn’t the point. any bl where the seme starts off “straight”… they still think of themselves as straight with an exception by the end of the story. and especially if the uke is openly gay, it puts a lot of pressure on them. even if like the seme finds out about the uke’s worries, they usually just say things along the lines of “i don’t want some woman i want you” etc. which is avoiding the issue entirely. it’s a huge step to identify as gay because that’s not just supporting and commiting to your gay partner, it’s accepting that you’re also part of that community, you’re also going to have to face discrimination, you’re also going to be casually insulted by people who don’t know your sexuality, you’re also intrinsically connected to a huge social issue that people often treat like a debate topic instead of an actual problem.

anyways props to vasya and author for that, it really bumped my impression of him higher than anything in this story so far, and i think you can tell from yoon’s response that it was quite meaningful for him as well.

    I.B July 6, 2021 3:26 am

    Yeah, I agree now that I think of it, we hadn't seen Yoon look so happy before. I guess I've just gotten used to seeing his happy face that I forgot that he wasn't so much before.

    I do disagree on the straight thing though. I think it's perfectly fine for someone to say they're straight even when they have a male partner. I mean usually these characters have never been attracted to a man, never had and do have general attraction to men, have always had crushes of girls, watched straight porn and still have a general attraction towards women. And they still don't get off on mxm porn. I don't think it's fair to say that if you love a man but fit that criteria you need to say you're gay. They aren't sexually/romantically attracted to men. They romantically/sexually attracted to women. They just have an exception. Maybe they aren't exactly gay/bi/straight but they can have the full choice as to how they identify themself since it's a mirky case.

    I just want you to know that this case above probably does fit someone right now. So, keep in mind that these examples or what I'm about to say fits someone's living condition right now.

    I don't think it's fair to them that they need to go under a label that identifies as an attraction to men, because they identify that they don't. So, I don't think it's right to say to an author that they need to put them under that label, because it's not right in real life.

    Also, that part about making their partner uncomfortable is something I disagree with. If you feel self-conscious that your partner doesn't love you because they say they like women but you're an exception, it's on you. What are you insecure about? That the attraction is fake? Why? Because they've never liked a man before? How about if he identified as bi but still doesn't have an attraction to men, does that change anything? Is he suddenly the better choice? Nothing's changed. If they have sex with you, spend all their time with you, say they love you and express that, you can't say they're uncomfortable with you and that he might be not sure of his feelings. If he expresses his love just as a gay man would, who's to say their love is less valid?

    Thirdly, that part about discrimination. I don't know if you've heard this "saying" before but I'll paraphrase it as much as I can. "If a homophobe calls faggot behind you (a bi woman) and your (lesbian) girlfriend on the street, he wouldn't apologize to you and take back his words if you shouted you were bi." Obviously, this doesn't fit our case but it still works. If a man were to come up to his family saying he was in love with a boy but he was straight, what do you think would happen? Would his family be relieved that he clarified he was straight? No, homophobes will always discriminate. If you love men or just 1, it doesn't matter. You can't hold your boyfriend's hand as you usually would even if you identify with yourself that you're not gay. You can't bring up that this ring on your hand was given by your husband at work or else you'd get ostracized. The thing in quotes is a completely valid response because what else can they say? They're not attracted to men, they're attracted to women. They want to identify as such. Obviously, is it the same (the discrimination)? No, I'm not saying it is. But to say their attraction is just as accepted as wxm attraction is not true.

    I did use to agree with you and felt annoyed at authors for this ridiculous trope but I don't think it's that bad now.

    However, when a character is expressing disgust at the idea that they could be gay, that's an issue that authors implement and it annoys me as much as the other guy. That's not what I'm talking about though.

    I've held this opinion for a short time and I am kinda curious to say what other people have to say so please reply with your further thoughts, negative or positive.

canineteeth July 5, 2021 1:32 am

havent caught up with this in a while i’m loving the harem dynamics.. there’s a type for everyone. my current preference is:
1. guesta (adorable devoted crybaby softboy need i say more)
2. klein (definitely a himbo. that boy is dumb as hell and we love to see it)
3. carlein (obedient and sexy dog)
4. ramanun (he IS pretty.. in every way he is the male equivalent of the pampered and protected young lady of the house who is shocked at not being the center of attention. i feel like i’ll like him a lot more if he gets desperate and stops clinging to his pride)
5. fuck i forget his name.. the merchant’s son .. i dont dislike him but he seems like the manipulative possessive unhealthy power dynamic yandere type except mc will always have more power than him and doesnt seem the type to fall for schemes so i just cant see how it would work out? i’m keeping an open heart for him tho

    canineteeth July 5, 2021 1:33 am

    wait actually i do have to say more about guesta and that is; men get pegged.

canineteeth July 5, 2021 12:08 am

yall be reading a manhwa called the princess is evil but then are shocked when she’s evil what’s not clicking here..

canineteeth July 4, 2021 11:58 pm

damn why is everyone so obsessed with “strong female leads” especially when the “strong female leads” in question are functionally identical and what makes them “strong” is refusing to rely on everyone to the point of being unreasonable

canineteeth June 29, 2021 7:21 am

ok it’s official. second ml syndrome.. activate

    canineteeth June 29, 2021 7:27 am

    unrelated but i wish that the trans used a romanization of his name rather than a transliteration.. i think (?) blackie is like a very cliche dog name in korean but because it isnt in english it just sounds kinda awkward.. would’ve been better to keep his name in krn it’s not like we wouldn’t be able to tell that mc essentially thinks of him as a pet

    Ilovereading June 29, 2021 7:36 am
    unrelated but i wish that the trans used a romanization of his name rather than a transliteration.. i think (?) blackie is like a very cliche dog name in korean but because it isnt in english it just sounds kin... canineteeth

    Right, since my doggie is also called Blackie it is kind of weird (⊙…⊙ ) ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

canineteeth June 28, 2021 5:21 am

i hope more manhwas similar to this come out.. i love isekai/historical/fantasy settings but i’m tired of clicking on something with the “drama” tag and it’s just a love triangle like girl that’s just a romance… on the other hand this story is pretty much entirely focused on ercella’s familial conflict— it’s not just something added in the backstory for spice, it’s a complicated issue (ercella being very young & isolated during her pregnancy, postnatal depression that turned into clinical depression, her father in law AND her father AND her sister passing away, the complete lack of agency she has as a woman, her thinking harsen married her just to escape the princess, her maiden family being resented by everyone etc) and it can’t be solved in a mere 40 chapters.. definitely crying a lot while reading this but it’s gratifying to see her and vicente and harsen slowly approaching their problems— and sometimes making it even worse lol, in a way that is realistic rather than the author deciding for a key character to have an inexplicable change in feelings that completely retcons all their character development up until that point

canineteeth June 25, 2021 11:35 pm

tornian is probably bottom ranked for me in chitra’s harem (no hate at all i just prefer my men stupid and obedient) but i’ll admit that panel where he calls her noona was an instant oneshot KO .. his radiance was literally blinding

    Nifiky June 26, 2021 12:36 am

    Oh Radlek is definitely her #1 lol

canineteeth June 25, 2021 3:23 am

wait is there really a alpha/alpha spinoff?! like of the main couple aphas?? i need it expeditiously.. like 10x more invested in seeing kou top ginga than tanzen/kikyou side couple story

    canineteeth June 25, 2021 3:25 am

    wait would also love to see yuu powerbottoming and fulfilling kou’s maso tendencies plsssssss .. i would say ginga can join in too but i don’t think he has the ability to be a sadist in any capacity jrjehfjjs

    canineteeth June 25, 2021 3:27 am
    Found this https://ec.toranoana.jp/joshi_r/ec/item/040030772695/ ZelAn

    omfg tyyyy .. hope someone translates it i need to know if it’s set in the same canon or if its an au where they didn’t three way bond

    Akabff June 25, 2021 3:32 am
    Found this https://ec.toranoana.jp/joshi_r/ec/item/040030772695/ ZelAn

    I hope someone translates it

    ✨Iaintevenhere✨ June 25, 2021 3:34 am
    Found this https://ec.toranoana.jp/joshi_r/ec/item/040030772695/ ZelAn

    I hope someone translates this
    You don’t understand how disappointed I was when I didn’t see Gina bottoming ONCE AGAIN!!!(/TДT)/

canineteeth June 24, 2021 10:19 pm

please for the love of god i hope this manhwa continues along in the same vein as so far… i don’t think i could handle sudden angst or an unnecessary love triangle.. also since yveria already agreed to dark colours and harry has red eyes + his silver hair also looks striking w dark colours…. fingers crossed that they end up in gothic black/red outfits w villain vibes (ie the way roxanna agriche always dresses >.<)

    Evy June 24, 2021 10:39 pm

    the way Roxanna dresses is just wow
    also her taste in cloths is perfect

canineteeth June 18, 2021 5:30 am

honestly after reading this all in one sitting my overwhelming response is …. I … love karsus .. author-nim i am so happy with your choice and characterization. fantasy coloured long hair (as opposed to typical short black/blonde hair), a reputation of NOT getting involved with women aside from over the top flirting (as opposed to standard womanizer prince who gets reformed), works as a mercenary and gleefully avoids taking in responsibility (as opposed to being an heir to a noble family and/or knight)… these are all traits i loveeeee, yet they are also standard second male lead traits. so it was immensely gratifying to see karsus being the only ml for the entire story and getting a happy ending

    canineteeth June 18, 2021 5:39 am

    the rest of the story is pretty typical (only thing that really stood out was the am i human/monster angst- ngl i shed a tear at one point) and the evil beast world/twins’ evil “father” plotlines were never really.. resolved .. laurence was just like Actually killing humans for no reason isnt as fun as i imagined. I will voluntarily leave forever now. andromeda everyone else was like … What am i gonna do, Say no? but regardless of flaws if you like the flirty ml with intimacy issues trope.. it’s worth reading for karsus… he is so sexy and honestly kind of a himbo (we love dumb men here) and just a pinch yandere but not so much that you’ll feel guilty or unfeminist for enjoying it .. and did i mention he has long hair? and it’s blue? it’s just really important to me that people know this

    canineteeth June 18, 2021 5:40 am
    the rest of the story is pretty typical (only thing that really stood out was the am i human/monster angst- ngl i shed a tear at one point) and the evil beast world/twins’ evil “father” plotlines were nev... canineteeth

    ignore that autocorrect chose to replace and with andromeda for reasons that escape me .

    nightmarezreal June 23, 2021 6:12 pm

    Thank you! I finally realized why I kept thinking Sica would fall in love with someone else! He’s the complete characteristics of a second male lead!

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