i hope the ml gets his fucking head cut off. i wish i could do it myself.
ml is so gross and has such a shitty personality. i wish there wasn't any romantic or sexual relationship between them and that they just focused on the actual plot instead. and this is literally sexual assault there's no arguing against that.
Fr and ill never forget the time he said hed fuck yohans corpse.. that shit rlly boggled me couldnt believe he said that
literally!!
You guys are just realizing he's a psychopath??? I'm not saying he can sa everyone because he has problems but he ACTUALLY has problems. He's unable to feel emotions and when yoohan made him feel something he became obsessed with it. If you guys don't like it then don't read it. I've read the novel shit ton of times and they actually have a meaningful relationship and complete each other.
There's a reason he's so forceful to yoohan. He's like that because yoohan is extremely suicidal and he just can't afford to lose someone that made him feel some actual emotions just by crying. Jay is unable to feel emotions he's actually a psychopath it's not just a joke between them. And jay really needs yoohan to keep him more human and yoohan needs jay to have a reason to live. If jay didn't force his love onto yoohan then he would have killed himself after his revenge was over. You can read the novel to understand their relationship better but it really makes the reading experience sh*t when you guys talk like that. I'm not excusing his actions by saying this I just mean he actually has reasons to be like that. And tbh I would rather jay be forceful with his affection to yoohan and fall for jay later rather than yoohan killing himself. Their relationship is deeper than just some "bottom in debt" stories that became so popular these days for some reason. After reading the second and third book you will realize they actually love and care for each other more than you think and they're ready to lose everything just to be together.
i do not give a shit what the novel is like, that's not what i'm reading. ml is a piece of shit, they have a terrible and extremely toxic relationship and it's gross. it's not bad to explore toxic relationships in stories sometimes but i hate the ml's horrible personality and i wish they wouldn't end up together and i wish there wasn't so much focus on their romantic relationship. idk what novel mc is like (and i dont care) but this mc doesnt seem very suicidal at all to me. which makes ml being so obsessive and forceful even more disgusting. but even if he was super suicidal so fucking what, ml is still fucking disgusting. imo exploring the benefits of therapy would be a better addition than their horrible relationship.
1. who said just realizing lmfao?
2. what does him having ACTUAL problems have to do with literally anything, he's shitty regardless.
3. if you wanna praise their relationship so much go to the comments under the actual novel bc none of that shit applies here.
Bro what the fuck are you talking about??? This manhwa follows the novel and what do you mean yoohan doesn't seem suicidal??? Did you even read the manhwa? I literally explained to you their whole relationship and you're saying "no he isn't". You're making it seem like his unexisting will to live is not important in HIS damn story. Yoohan doesn't accept ANYTHING from ANYBODY that's why jay is so fucking forceful because he wants yoohan to LIVE. If your loved one wanted to die one day because of the guilt of causing his familys death would you just let him??? What the fuck is wrong with you? There was only one way to make yoohan feel alive and jay did that. Even then yoohan still didn't let go of his guilt because shit isn't that easy. If you find it so FUCKING DISGUSTING that jay wanted to save someone that made him feel something than why the fuck did you read 63 chapters of some yaoi manhwa. If you're so fucking soft that you can't take some psychological and emotionally complicated story than go read some fluffy shounen ai with boyfriends holding hands in a flowery field.
Bro it has everything to do with it. Are you unable to comprehend or acting like it? With your way of thinking people with no legs should just walk or people with anger issues shouldn't get angry. And are you so fucking dumb that you think this shit is different from the novel? Everything I said applies to the manhwa because THEY'RE THE SAME SHIT. This manhwa is the COMPLETE copy of the NOVEL.
Also they WILL get together so you can leave so you don't get disappointed later on when they do lmao. Why the fuck are you even here I just can't understand.
bc the rest of the plot is actually interesting lmfao. literally nothing will change how gross and toxic ml and their relationship is. and a lack of will to live is NOT suicidal lmfao. i cant remember a single time where mc has attempted or contemplated literally killing themselves. there is no excuse for ml being so shitty they both need help.
and "wanted to save someone he loved" is such a weird way to say "repeatedly force himself on someone he's obsessed with"
a THERAPY arc would be so much better.
i dont get why you ride so hard for such toxicity
Bro he was ready to die he wanted to just kill himself after his revenge was done I read the damn novel shit ton of times is it so hard to understand. Do you only accept people that cut their wrists as suicidal are you so fucking ignorant that you think someone cant be suicidal unless they try to physically cut or hang themselves. You're so fucking dumb that you don't understand when somebody just doesn't want to live anymore and end everything. And I already explained literally everything and why they do what they do so I won't be repeating myself since you're so stubborn about not understanding what I say and you just keep saying "ml is disgusting" ok you find it that way and??? Motherfucker just wants him to live like what do you want him to do. Yoohan won't go to therapy because he doesn't want to live and he doesn't want a reason to live he just wants to miserably take his revenge and not do anything anymore and he DOES say that. He's extremely depressed and you can't just tell someone to get therapy because shit isn't that EASY. You cant say someone who wants to die to "go to therapy and find something to live for" bitch doesn't have anything. He doesn't have his mother, he doesn't have his brother, his piece of shit lover caused his brother to die and left him with a debt, he doesn't have something that he likes and you know when someone doesn't have anything to live for then you can't just ask them to find something cause they already gave up on everything. Jay was the reason he lived and he literally saved him from dying at the end of the first book and later jay slit his own wrist because yoohan didn't pic up his call BY CHOICE while he was bleeding to death because yoohan WANTED TO DIE and he thought it was his END.
He was forcing pleasure on him because yoohan didn't want anything that made him feel good because he was extremely GUILTY. He didn't want love or affection or money or literally anything. He just wanted misery and pain and suffering so he could suffer the same way his family did. Yoohan wouldn't accept any soft affection and love so jay forced it on him. He needed a wake up call and somebody to force some oxygen into his lungs and make him feel alive. And he later does want to live or else he wouldn't call jay to make him cry and not be like a numb unfeeling doll that he turned after he read the script of his film that said people like him should also live. He realized he also had the right to live and he couldn't take that much emotion and called jay for help to help him handle them. And jay did help him and made him feel alive and made him happy. He gave him a reason to live and that was jay and his love for acting.
you are so fucking stupid and ignorant holy shit. you keep bringing up the fucking novel but that is not where we are. i don't give a fuck if you think what he was doing was "just to make him live" or whatever, that is no excuse. that sick fuck could have done literally anything else to be actually helpful but he didn't. do you not fucking understand the difference between suicidal and just not having the will to live? i've been in that position dumb fuck so don't tell me shit. ml NEVER made mc HAPPY are you fucking stupid? and i don't know why you're suddenly being such a bitch when i never insulted you??? you literally said it yourself, he FORCED IT ON HIM. he's a FREAK he's toxic and fucking disgusting. why are you still fucking arguing???? it seems like you're using a lot of the characters thoughts and other things that haven't happened 'yet' to form your opinion but that's why the novel and this are DIFFERENT! this is a direct copy of the novel my ass. as far as i know from reading this all ml wanted was to keep mc to himself, completely selfishly. i don't give a fuck what inner thoughts they showed in the novel. it doesn't change the fact that he and their relationship is TOXIC. nothing that happened in the novel or later on fucking matters her bc IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. but that still doesn't change anything and my opinion won't change. stop fucking arguing with me over my opinion and stop bringing up future events in the books. i don't give a fuck.
Because you refuse to look deeper into their feelings and judge as a complete outsider that doesn't know what goes through their heads. If you think about it yoohan is also a piece of shit and he can be as bad as everyone else but we still try to understand him because he went through shit like no other. The biggest problem with jay was that he doesn't have emotions and can't understand others. He can ACT like he does but deep down he has the emotional intelligence of a 3 year old. There are many instances where you can see he acts like a spoiled kid because even though he has the mind of an adult his emotions stayed as a toddlers. He doesn't feel remorse for others and doesn't care if someone dies or feels pain other than yoohan because he can only feel and understand yoohans emotions. He didn't even feel anything when his mother died at the same time as yoohans mother(and that means he was an adult at the time). They are both problematic people that neutralize each other and NEED each other to function properly and that definitely can't be solved with a few therapy sessions.
i don't know what goes through their heads bc this isn't the fucking novel. when will you learn the difference between the two different ways of story telling. and nothing that you said about ml is going to change my opinion. them "neutralizing" each other is still a toxic relationship and they still have major issues that need THERAPY. being together will not solve any of their issues, they will still be there. i never said a few therapy sessions anyway, who would expect to solve anything in such little time?
Bro you're FORCING yourself to NOT understanding what I'm saying and you're calling ME the ignorant???? These thing WILL happen in the manhwa what the fuck is your damn problem. You cant even argue properly because you don't know ANYTHING about them. I don't give a shit if you find it toxic because I also find it toxic. They're both toxic and they both will stay toxic. I'm trying to explain this to you the normal way and you refuse to listen to me because "iT diDnT hApPeN hErE" I'm telling you it WILL happen here what are you going to do then??? Still gonna say "no it didn't happen here"???? I'm not even forcing you to like them I'm telling you all this so you can at least understand what the fuck is actually happening. Is it so fucking hard to say "oh ok I didn't know this would happen I understand your point of view but I still think this character is toxic and I don't like them". I literally don't care if you like this or that I don't even know you but you just refuse anything I say and ignore every point I put in front of you because you didn't see something that's going to happen YET. And please PLEASE tell me what you would have done so yoohan wouldn't choose to kill himself so I would stop being so dumb and ignorant as you said. Oh btw I have been suicidal since 2016 I don't think you have the right to tell me what's suicidal or not and downgrade mine or other people's emotions by saying "no that's not suicidal". I've thought of just ending everything for years but lived for my mother so I can feel what a character like yoohan is going through. And if you can't understand that some people need a slap to the face to return to reality than that's not how it works for you but not every other person can stop such emotions just by getting therapy. You can think whatever you want I don't even care to reason with you anymore.
Ok keep reading the manhwa then or don't I don't really care
why are you acting like i haven't understood what's happening??? and yes things that happened in the FUTURE do not fucking matter bc they HAVEN'T HAPPENED YET. my opinion won't change regardless bc they will always have an unhealthy relationship. your argument seems to be have been for nothing this entire time. you even agree that they're toxic so what is the fucking point. what would i do to stop mc from killing himself (which he never attempted or considered doing to the knowledge of this webtoon so far)? i would give him real care and support and use everything in my power to get him to consistent therapy sessions as well as a psychiatrist. i know it's hard to do on your own i've been going through these steps myself. again, actively considering suicide (even without attempting) is not the same as being depressed and without a will to live. and you can self harm without being suicidal as well, self harm is used for different reasons by different people. but if i remember correctly this hasn't happened yet either. i'm only considering the events of the webtoon so far bc the story can change at literally any time. there are movies adapted from books that are very different, there is no guarantee this webtoon will follow the novel exactly the whole way through. why is this so hard to understand? the novels events mean nothing to me.
Ok. Im sorry but I won't be discussing something that you refuse to acknowledge that has an original story and this is just a drawing that can't deliver the story because this is, again, just a drawing. I also can't understand what goes through your head because I read the novel first so I acknowledge the novel as the base unlike you who who finds the manhwa as the base. Do whatever you want to do or accept whatever you want to accept. It doesn't really matter.
don't argue with these people they just want to stay pissed even when you give out a thorough explanation on why jay acts the way he does
the explanation literally doesn't change anything lmfao
Lol I don't even know what to say when they refuse the novel so stubbornly. Like it doesn't make sense to me that this is different than the novel because it isn't and the manhwa wont be changing anything because we're almost at the end of the first book already. Like what are they going to change?? Haha I don't even care anymore. They can continue reading the manhwa for some reason even tho they don't like the second main character.
the stubbornness and incompetency is frightening
like if you're gonna complain this much about the fucking story then drop it? like no one is forcing you to read this like I promise you can find a slice of life bl and read that if you don't want complex characters/relationships like yoohan & jay ..
drop the story if it bothers you this much literally go find a story that suits you because complaining about this story even someone explained to you means that you clearly don't like it & should find another story that has that so called "healthy relationship" that you're looking for!!
can none of you read? i very clearly said aside from their relationship i like the rest of the plot. their relationship is only one part of this story and i'll complain as much as i want about it.
besides i'm only "complaining" so much bc you guys started an argument so i don't wanna hear about too much complaining. i gave my valid opinion and you took it upon yourselves to mansplain obvious shit to me no matter how many times i said my opinion won't change. one of you even agreed with me too, basically admitting that you argued with me over nothing! find something better to do than defend toxic relationships on the internet.
Haha it's fine I don't care anymore. They don't like complex things I guess as you said and tbh I don't even think there's such a big plot other then their relationship development in the first book. Like yoohan will just destroy everybody in the last few chapters and be done with it lmao it has an obvious ending. And I even explained why their relationship is not your basic relationship because these bitches both have a few screws loose in their head but they refused to accept because it's in the novel(????). Also the second and third book has a bigger story than the first one. The first one mostly focuses on their relationship so I feel like they're reading it just to torture themselves.
this is diverting the topic a bit but I want to ask why are you still reading jinx? like to me jaekyung as a person is a immediate turn off for me and dan is starting to fall for him even when he's treated him like a sex doll this whole time. like the plot isn't all that interesting and it's clear that both of them will up together so I dropped it cause there's nothing appealing about jaekyung and dan is a pushover but I'm genuinely asking why are you reading that
Oh I didn't argue with you over nothing. This whole time I tried to explain to you that they don't have a normal relationship like you see in other manhwa and it can't be put under one umbrella term which you say "toxic". There's many things that could be said toxic but that doesn't mean you're unable to work with it. This relationship works for them so they're together even if they have weird tendencies if looked from other people's eyes. If you find this whole conversation a "nothing" then it's your problem. I just said what I wanted to say
This response was for yuyu btw I guess I couldn't press properly
They read jinxdamn even I couldn't read that because it was shit and I can normally read anything.
tbh i've only read up until when they were fucking all day in that hotel room in the first book because the translator I read from has translated up that part, but yea I've always known yoohan is crazy tbh and I have to wait months before I can even buy the raws on ridibooks so I'm playing the waiting game for right now
no right I genuinely cannot believe that shit is the most popular bl manhwa as of right now when there's nothing good about it? but imo bj alex wasn't good either so i wasn't expecting much but phew I did not expect it to be this bad
i always have hope things will magically turn around. + curiosity
it absolutely can be called toxic bc it is. "weird tendencies" is such an understatement for people who are literally mentally ill and doing crazy shit like kidnapping. and this relationship "working for them" does not make it any more healthy. it's more like a temporary solution that won't help either of them long term. they need real help not an unhealthy codependency built on a very unhealthy foundation.
your explanation of how complex their relationship is is just "toxic with more details"
you are certainly a very optimistic person i must say
Oh I actually have the korean one so I translate it myself from there but even before that there was a few pirated translations like viet or spanish and I just used Google translate on them lmao they had all three books translated
DUDE YEAH I ALSO DON'T LIKE BJ ALEX but my friend really liked it for some reason so I didn't say anything about it but yeah jinx is a whole another story what the hell was that I don't even know
Ok your opinion
yea I've heard from people about the previous books but they removed for copyright
like alright mingwa (creator of both stories) can draw, sure, but the plot of her stories is not good whatsoever and there's nothing more i hate then a jaekyung fan lol. also you have irl friends that like bl? the only people i talk to about bl is with my online friends & that's it tbh
Yeah and these miserable weak timid bottoms make me mad at this point. I have seen so many "bottom in debt" plot that I can just know what's gonna happen before I read the story. That's also why I like yoohan so much because my man paid for everything himself by working his ass off for years. And yeah I have like 2 friends that really like reading bl and another friend that also likes it but doesn't read it as much.
no exactlyyyyy like one of the reasons why i love payback is that yoohan isn't this bottom that's a pushover. i just really love characters that aren't weak & i'm glad yoohan is far from it but i could honestly go on and on why yoohan is one of the best mcs in bl but i'm just too lazy to type it out lol.
Hahaha yeah same he's my favorite bl mc at this point
a lot of other stories should take notes on writing an mc like yoohan but you didn't hear that from me
Uhm, I've read both and yes, it is here too not just in the manhwa. You can see it around the time that he filmed the suicide scene that he does want to die after getting revenge for his brother and mother. He has imagined killing himself that's the whole point of how he was able to do that shot in one take. Everyone could feel it when they filmed it. I believe Jay comments on it later as well.
as of this YEAR old post he was NOT suicidal nor was there any time he said he would like to kill himself after he achieved his goal. like i said before lack of will to live is not suicidal and he is not suicidal. other than that dont comment on my old ass post bc i dont even read this shit anymore.
Oh, you dropped the story? Also, can you not mute the notifications for this thread where you get the updates? (⌒▽⌒)
bro read the tags first before actually reading it
are you dumb? what does that have to do with my YEAR OLD comment btw. fuck off bro
first of all i'm not sure if it's because of the translation being slightly off or the formatting of the story but it is so extremely confusing. and second this isn't horror it's just disgusting. idk what the fuck the author was thinking, as if "a ghost that just repeatedly rapes the mc" is anything of any substance. the story so far is dogshit and has been so poorly written. it felt like 30 chapters of the same shit over and over again with no progress made at all from the mc. except of course how the ghost gets further each time it rapes the mc. maybe they should take a writing class or have this shit reviewed but a few normal people before releasing it. what an embarrassing addition to the horror genre so far.
You can read something else,no one ask you to read that...
I'm tired of reading this kind of comment... FICTION IS FICTION THAT IS NOT REAL, who are you to think what is in the author mind ? It's just your interpretation,only your interpretation.
are you the author or smth? why do you care about my opinion, go away.
i will never ship mc with that blonde fucker on the cover. i hope him and the rest of his shitty group die horrible and painful deaths.
Real
But tragically the mc and the blonde creep end up together. 95 per cent of Bls are so toxic that it really makes you feel like quitting reading bl ┗( T﹏T )┛
it really does sometimes :/
they do end up together and all of them live unfortunately!
Ikr ╥﹏╥
This is true in het stories too, there’s just less sex in those in general. A lot of people want to read toxic romance in fiction which I’m kind of over at this point. If it was toxic in a different way (codependency, jealousy, etc.) it would be interesting to explore, but rape is so overdone and not really treated with the gravity it deserves.
Ironically I quit reading het stories because of the stupid way characters always fall in love too quickly, or the story always started with rape of mc/ml and rape was always forgiven but sadly bl stories have become just like that (⊙…⊙ )
this is so fucking stupid. it gets worse and worse every single chapter. the plot is shit, the writing is shit, the characters are shit. the author truly just disgusts me and i hope they never write anything ever again.
So I just read shit without looking over the tags first?
i wish there was a tag for 'there is nothing of substance to this "psychological" and "dark" manga it's just constant rape and torture for absolutely no reason, there's also no plot, nothing is ever explained, and every single character sucks' but sadly there isnt :/
Well yeah. What do u expect? Judging from that Fact that you've come over the last chapter before leaving a comment, u didn't drop it in the middle of the story? You've seen how gore it is. Yet you're still waiting for something chummy chapters? :/
it’s not really psychological or dark imo, that’s a different genre. this is just porn with no plot, or the plot just hanging by a thread #－.－)
For real. Reading the first chapters of the story, people should get the gist of what the story is all about. Unless lacked comprehension.
Charot heee
thats what im saying....but that wont stop others from labeling it as such. and my curiosity is most often stronger than my disgust which is why i keep reading. a lot of other people are the same way.
Then bare it that way. Don't expect anything that will ever change. And if there is, then post it on the billboards.
yeah people are saying all this and still reading it lol, just drop it already then
do none of y'all understand the concept of following something you started through to the end even if it sucks? whats the point of being so bothered by people hate reading shit like this anyway? yeah it's extremely bad but i still want to know what happens
Fr the fact he knew everyone was using Sovien and didnt even do anything abt it if he truly loved him he wouldnt pass him around like wtf
this is so real cuz this shi makes me cry so hard but i always continue reading this cuz like i feel like it’ll get better yk? (expect it gets worse)
it's such a curse
fuck these stupid uploaders with their shitty partial chapters on more than one manga i'm reading. nobody is going to your stupid fucking website just stop uploading.
honestly i don't really like them together, i think youngmin is such an annoying character.
heesung pls save him from the rapist i beg of you