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...well, though it wasn't detailed, we saw a bit of them having sex at the end. And there was DEFINITELY a hand job, which IS sex. Like, we saw the uncensored dick and everything. Helping another person have an orgasm is sex. Full stop. Penetration is not necessary, otherwise lesbians couldn't have sex without strap-ons--and we certainly don't go around saying lesbians aren't REALLY having sex because they only do oral and fingering without the aid of sex toys. So yeah, it's light yaoi, but it's definitley more than plain shounen-ai. Shounen-ai means there might be kissing. Maybe. Anything beyond that is yaoi

Oh I see ^^ You are really informed about this argument anyway thankQ it really helped me

Haha, no worries, glad I could help :). I might have got a bit rant-y though, sorry
(^_^ ;)

actually, it doesn't matter if there's penetration or not, what divides shounen ai to yaoi is if the sex is cut off/censored or not. there's plenty of shounen ai where in the story, the pair had sex.
my best example is vassallord. it's shounen ai even though they made love for countless of times the whole manga but it was never shown, only the pettings were.

That's kind of what I meant, though I guess I didn't communicate that properly. (vassallord is amazing, love that manga!). It's just that in this manga something sexual was shown, which makes it yaoi where as in shounen ai the most they will SHOW is kissing. Doesn't mean sex doesn't happen, but as long as it's not shown (and yes, oral sex and even those awful lightsabers--you know what I'm talking about--count as sex being shown), it's shounen ai and not yaoi. So, in summation: if SEX happens ON SCREEN it is yaoi. If there's only KISSING or "FADE TO BLACK" it's shounen ai.

Same. I just found it less clichéd.