MY BABY JACE ITS OKAY HE STILL LOVES U ITS OKAY I KNOW HE RAPED U BUT ITS OKAY I PROMISE HE IS MADDLY INLOVE W U ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭
you're right, not remembering it does not nullify what he has done. this whole relationship started out wrong, but in my personal opinion, in a logical perspective, the duke is still much more at fault. look, we can't deny the fact that the duke is simply a very strong person in terms of strength. he was completely capable of pushing jace away when he wasn't in his right mind, but he didn't budge. of course, this is still rape. but this time when the duke raped jace, it was very clear jace did not want this. he clearly demonstrated that he didn't want to have sex with him. keep in mind the duke is in his right mind, unlike jace. the duke used his petty feelings as an excuse to rape him. thats not normal. if i were jace, i would not attempt to mend this relationship at all and would simply quit this job.
Would you say that Jace really raped the duke the first time? When he was the one who was sort of drugged/not in his right mind and also given that the duke was sober and could have easily pushed him away? The duke is also much stronger and he wasn't traumatized/numb by Jace kissing him so he could have left anytime. I would say at most Jace behaved very inappropriately as he thought he was dreaming but he did not rape him as the duke instead of smacking him awake - goes all " I have to show I'm more macho and a man of my words" and proceeds to bang Jace. Duke had clarity of mind and he did not say no or show any motions of wanting to exit the scenario. The duke didn't know at that time but jace did not get to consent to the matter at all. I just opened the chapter (chapter 8) and if anything I would say it's bad writing on the author's part. Their whole relationship started off sketchy and every single encounter just got even worse from that point onwards. It did not match either the tone of the story or the characters at all. Jace is supposed to be smart and all but he frequently does stupid shit that should have gotten him fired already and the duke was portrayed as dignified and cold but compassionate. He also seems relatively inexperienced in regards to relationships so his whole approach to get Jace doesn't line up with how his character was set up. However, he just suddenly turns into this obsessed rapist. If that isn't bad writing idk what is...
lol ur statement is contradicting. u said in ur original one that u promised it's okay cause the duke was madly in love with him. and also, Jace did not rape the duke. In the first one, Jace was under the influence of anesthesia, and if u have never been under in one, you won't know but yes, it does feel like you are dreaming and you will feel groggy. I was under in one because I had an operation, it wasn't a strong one like Jace's but I felt groggy af, how about Jace then? he received one that will put him in sleep for a day. Jace was wrong when he kissed the Duke first, that one is sexual assault but beyond that, the duke had the right to push him away, when his dick wasn't getting hard, when Jace started giving him blowjob, and all. He agreed to it all, how was that non-consensual? He could fet Jace arrested right away, he's a Duke ffs, but he didn't. The second one they had sex, IT WAS THE DUKE'S FAULT. He planned on getting Jace drunk when he invited him for a "celebration" even when Jace clearly said that he can't because he had to tutor tomorrow. Duke realized that Jace thought the first one was a dream and he could not even remember it. He was under the influence of alcohol when he asked to have sex with him again (this part was sexual assault), but then again, the Duke was stronger and sober and he could have stopped him but what did he do? he even took control and lead their sex. now tell me, how was that rape?
Oooookay. Everyone is having a hot discussion and all but I want to share some things to you all as to why I think they both are wrong. (▰˘◡˘▰)
Only seeing how those actions were described in this webtoon DOES make we feel like the Duke was worst and Jace past actions are some kind of unavoidable mistake or whatever, buuuuuuuut based on my own past experiences I DO think Jace is also in the wrong.
I have experienced things like: strong anesthesia, to much alcohol and strong (almost overdosing) tranquilizer.
I can say that I KNOW that even if you can't think straight, you CAN differentiate good and bad, and that's why it's not excusable.
Continuing my story, when I was beaten by someone only because he was was under effects of alcohol, drugs and medicine, he did a lot of bad things. He made use of drugs and alcohol knowing that it would react bad even if he didn't take medication AND what excuse would you have to beat someone who is passing by?! So is it not punishable because the person was under chemical effects? It doesn't make sense (Not that Jace was the same. Is a different situation but the chemical effect is the important part).
I have also had the unpleasant experience of being sexually assaulted (I would have been raped if I wasn't lucky...) by a man that I have never seen before (but he did mentioned he saw me in places that I frequented). It was an extremely traumatic event if it wasn't for the support that I received.
After those two horrible situations, I can say that is almost impossible to push someone that is out of their senses. They are stupidly strong in those fucking times!! #-.-)
And if you are paralyzed by fear it will be hard to free yourself, even if it looks like easy for others (of course we don't know if the Duke in this kind of situation, probably not seeing how the plot went)
So all of that being said, the two of them are in the wrong and I won't point my finger to whom was worst or whatever because the actions of both Jace and Duke was kinda disturbing for me.
All we can do is ignore the unpleasant feelings and wait to see how the plot will change or drop out ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭
By the way, I'll continue reading it because I saw some spoilers and it looks like interesting.. (=・ω・=)
I saw that you answered all of the comments with an understanding mind.
Just came to say that mine wasn't some kind of nagging only for you. (It's just that it's easier to post without linking to anyone specifically... sorry that I'm lazy lol)
I understand your point that the webtoon wants us to see that the Duke was madly jealous and it's the "excuse" for his actions. Even I could see it ( ̄へ ̄)
Soooo I just thought that it was right to say it. (▰˘◡˘▰)
IM SO TIRED OF THAT WHITE FAT ASS BITCH AND ALL THOSE STANKY BOOTY BITCHES THAT FUCKING RAPING THE UKE LILE DAMN GIVE THIS MANS ASSHOLE A BREAK AND MY POOR BOOKIE ( sème I forgot his name) HE JS GONNA HAVE TO THUG IT TF OUT BC HE KEEPS GOING BACK. YES I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO BE A COUPLE BUT DAMN THIS NIGGAS LIKE A DOG
LOLL not you forgot his name
I forgot everyone’s name