Next few Episodes are fucking hilarious can't wait!
Spoiler alert
Reading the backstory it was really hard to digest what might have 16 y/o Juheyon been thru. Nobody would be sane after that. But genuine question to the people who have read the complete novel. Where I am fully on board with the Jiwook's suffering he deserves every ounce of it! Does the people who actually gang raped Juheyon meet the same fate as him? Or it just ended with them Graped Jiwook again?
If it's the later It would feel really shitty! These people around Jiwook started rumors about Jiwook being Homo. Knowing how he perceive men being in relationships, Jiwook took the drastic measures. Jiwook alone can not be held responsible. I want each of em burned alive!
The characters who participated in Juyeon's abuse don't show up again. The focus of Juyeon's revenge is solely Jiwook because of the betrayal. In his mind, it's entirely Jiwook's fault and therefore he is the only one who needs to be punished.
Man this leaves a bad taste in my mouth!
where did you read the novel? i am dying
It's here... Some chapters are locked you gotta pay to unlock or just wait for weekly update
https://lilyonthevalley.com/chapter/emp-chapter-13/
OH MY GOD! I'm WET! (〜￣△￣)〜
You so real for that
Omg thank you! xD threw my last shred of sanity commenting that tho!
The way people calling everything grooming these days seems persuing the person you love grooming as well. Yeah, it seems bizzare cause we are exposed to the emperor's inner most obsessive thoughts. While we don't know anything about the steam bun.
But going forward we see our steam bun has feelings but he couldn't act upon it or most likely brushed it off because his family and law doesn't allow that. Also, not to mention while the emperor was busy making his own move (which is morally wrong but he was getting older as well) our steam bun sorted his feelings himself without manipulation. Also he didn't once sexually harassed or pushed himself on the Bun.
Also it is my own observation but the Emperor knows as well that Bun is too dense to figure his feeling out that's why he was making arrangements in his own way.
Another point, it's freaking ancient era no body gives rats ass about feelings or consent. Marriage is done for political advantage here. Not to mention he's a freaking emperor he could have done worse changing the law himself or locking him up with honey traps.
"You need to kiss me to greet me" and "you have to hold someone's hand while in the palace" now, because everyone is attractive this does not raise a red flag to you.
Now picture this, there's an 18 year old boy and a 12 year old girl. He says to her, "where's my kiss?" And "you have to hold my hand" what are your thoughts now? Grooming isn't just forcing yourself on someone, it's slowly getting them comfortable with the idea of casual intimacy that then leads into a relationship.
They have been only doing peck on the cheeks and holding hands only. The thing you are asking me to imagine is gross when it comes from an already adult person and a 12 year old. And the explanation you gave about grooming, then all of us have been groomed or grooming another person. When people have romantic interest they start to make another person comfortable with their presence subconsciously. Otherwise it won't lead to anything. And no you just don't randomly start having feelings for someone.
Here they were childhood friends and started holding hands and a peck on the cheeks as greetings when they were both kids. Even we did that with our friends as kids as well.
I'm pretty sure they stopped sleeping together when the emperor was an adult and aware of his own feeling towards Bun.
Again you can not apply the 21st century context to this story's timeline. The ML's actions are simply from overly obsessive personality of his (which is not justifiable). But you are also overlooking the MC's feelings towards emperor since childhood and labeling his feeling as being groomed.
Yes, the 12 year old would only be pecking the 18 year old on the cheek. Nothing wrong with that, right? And obviously my explanation is not about people of the same or similar age/both of legal age. Don't be stupid on purpose.
The king was 21 when he became aware of his feelings and did not cease the physical contact, otherwise Asha would have stopped doing it buy now due to the king setting a boundary with a minor and then that minor growing into an adult that has already stopped doing stuff like that.
Of course if that 18 year old is making that 12 year old feel special then they will also develop feelings and a dependency. Especially when there is a major power imbalance like this. The excuse of "21st century context" makes no sense, seeing as everything happening is utter fiction. Like really, which country historically has secret tablets that allow you to marry a man?
It's just a fictional history...right?? Welp nvm a grooming is a grooming idc if people fight over that it is or it is not in this story. I'll just not read it. I'm not interested. Hahhaha.
Exactly, people just want to be dirty minded for no reason. Probably they never read the story and just read the beginning and came to the grooming conclussion. But it becomes quite clear that their relationship during childhood was innocent and that ML never disrespected him. Imo it was impossible for ML to have the mind of a groomer back then, he was just childish and inmature in the past. And even when ML became an adult he was still inmature, to the point he even sent Asha far away from him for 4 years just because he accidentally ignored him. Also in their interactions together through all the manhwa there is never an unequal dynamic, they treat eo with respect and enjoy eo's presence. Overall this is giving more a childhood friends to lovers trope than anything else
I think we should give the mom some credit. She actually give it some serious thought instead of lashing out (like come on, most of the parents would do the same) and evaluate the overall situation. And our MC is too good for the world and I really appreciate their family trying to protect him and meet up with ML and understand their relationship better. Most families don't give flying fucks tbh!
Also knowing the MC's personality he was going to blame himself for upsetting his mom, and I think all the people around him are worried for the same reason that's why they are having secret meetings. The MC can come out to them if he feels comfortable not because he's forced to.
I still don't get what the problem was I'm pretty sure the seme actually cleared that they were dating properly and he's not just a fling. He knew Gunjoon don't do fuckbuddy shits and he wanted Gunjoon enough to be his boyfriend.
Their personalities werent matching, also attachment style (mc: anxious, ml: avoidant) was different. Love language was different, mc’s emotional needs wasnt met while both never communicated their expectations and needs. I actually thought it was very realistic
both like each other sure, but the way they express it is different. which caused this problem. it's actually pretty realistic like the one before me said. their approach in liking someone is different, one thinks its enough and the other one needs more reassurance and verbal confirmation. the uke doesn't get that and the seme doesn't think he needs to give that. he thinks what he does and what he feels is enough, which isn't exactly wrong but the uke needs more
It's a difference in what ppl want in a relationship.
When they agreed to date ML said he is doing it for fun. Dating someone for fun insinuates (whether you mean it to or not) that the moment it isn't fun he will end it. (Not fun: working on the other super important that is in a relationship, like sickness/death/mental illness/etc). He says he is here for fun and that leaves a very unspoken 'when it isn't fun i might leave'.
So that uncertainty plus the ML lies (omission is a lie and he is constantly dodging questions or being vague), these things together show your partner you aren't taking the relationship serious. If you were you would openly state you like them and share your life with them or at least tell them you aren't ready to share that yet. Our ML here doesn't do any of that and that makes out MC insecure. More to the problem our MC has made all his wants clear he wants a serious relationship, he wants to know abt the ML. Our ML is not providing either of those things.
Instead of trying to force the ML to change our MC (while he may not seem the type) is being mature, he understands to have a healthy relationship you need to have the same goals and expectations for a relationship. He believes they don't bc the ML has never stated or shown other wise. This is why the MC constantly ask 'why are you in this relationship' to try and understand the ML expectations of the relationship. So he ends the relationship instead of investing more of his time and emotion on it bc they seemingly have different goals.
To also touch on the last few things you said, it is not uncommon for a fuckboy to get in a serious relationship just for the sake of a good fuck. I'm not saying that is what our ML is doing but him saying they're dating doesn't mean he is in it for the long run like the way our MC wants.
Idk if that helps you understand more but hope so sorry it's so long.
Thanks for the long paragraph. I understand your point.
I just saw the raws and I'd like to argue about some points but I won't embarrass you with another long explanation. It'll clear up in the next 4-5 chapters anyway.
Yeah they just need a good conversation. The way people hating on the seme just doesn't feel right. Also Gunjoon isn't speaking up either other than listening to random people and making up a lot of scenarios in his head
Yeah I've read the raws so I know. I was simple speaking of the current situation that the translation was caught up too bc that was the topic.
I don't understand Jaitae's father could kick Sureyon's ass, why didn't he? Or did I miss something? Is Jaitae's dad also an ass?
I think he's dead.
He died
I know he's dead. I'm taking about the time when Sureyon showed up in their house with Jian claiming Jian is his son.
Some nitwit post a screenshot of this manga on a Facebook reel comment section with website name! Whoever you are please dlt that comment!
Saw that, kinda reminded that asshole, hope they remove it
Even Nakyum and Seungho made up after 70 chapter. I let it marinade for a year still the angst fresh as dilly
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