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Genuinely enjoying this kind of content is fucked up

Assuming much?

Well you do you ig

What am I assuming though? What I said is true enjoying their relationship to be exact is sick

How?

How are you even in the book’s comment section?

So if I like reading toxic stories, I'm fucked up?

Or if I like watching slasher films or horror, I'm fucked up?

Or if I like watching tragedy, I'm fucked up?

I don't get your point.

Because to get an opinion on something you need to read it first? + I tend to feel the need to see the end of every story I start even if I hate them, that’s literally what comment sections r for

It’s simple though.
No, enjoying toxic stories, slashers, horror, or tragedy doesn’t mean you’re fucked up.
For exemple, Killing Stalking was a psychological horror. People enjoyed it for it’s horror aspects, because it was WELL-WRITTEN, however they did NOT enjoy Sangwoo’s and Bum’s relationship itself. They "enjoyed" the horror it provoked, the feelings of watching true horror without it being something paranormal or gory. That’s what makes psychological horror so appealing for some people.
Putting the word enjoy between quotation marks, because people do NOT enjoy reading absolute atrocities, they just like well-written stories that make the reader deeply feel something. Tragedy makes you feel sadness, slashers and horror make you scared and uncomfortable, toxic shit can be insanely deep and complicated and make you question your own values as a human being which is interesting as well ("My perverted Stalker" is a great exemple).

It is NOT this story’s case. It’s a pure and simple toxic relationship for the sake of being one, not for the sake of question your values. It’s rape scenes after rape scenes every single chapter, with a main character (Jaekyung) that can’t be redeemed but somehow will be forgiven, and will get a happy ending just like BJ Alex’s ML did (and didn’t deserve it). I explicitly said "enjoying their toxic RELATIONSHIP is sick". Enjoying watching a man getting raped, getting his life destroyed, getting humiliated, being prisoner and treated like an object like Dan is in this story IS fucked up. And I’m saying ENJOYING IT. There’s ppl masturbating to this shit. There’s people calling Jaekyung hot and encouraging him into claiming "what’s his" as if Dan wasn’t an human being. You’re mixing shit up.

When it contributes to rape culture? No thank you. Prostitution is a very much big issue in korea, making up some abusive love story about it will get well-deserved back lash

Toilet terrorist always has the best takes fr

how is ur pfp so damn long

I downloaded a whole ass WMMAP page and then cropped it here I always get jumpscared when I try to motivate myself into changing and I just leave it there

Whatever form of rape story a person consumes, it doesn't make them fucked up.

It's fiction, that's why they can choose however way to enjoy it. It doesn't make them fucked up.

People have kinks and fetishes. It isn't wrong and it doesn't make them fucked up. Just because people enjoy consuming stories with rape, it doesn't make them fucked up. Experts have proved that it's safe to have rape fantasies. Are you also saying that if someone enjoys reading rape stories, they automatically support rape in real life??? That's illogical. It's called fantasy for a reason.

That's the point you're missing. It's fiction, that's why people feel the need to express their opinions on fictional characters. It doesn't make them fucked up. Everyone identifies how Jk has treated Dan, everyone knows is fucked up but they still enjoy it, they enjoy the drama to it, they enjoy the dominance Jk poses on Dan, they enjoy the way Dan doesn't have any power and is just submissive. It doesn't mean they think it's right. It's just a kink thing. It doesn't also make them fucked up. And if they masturbate to it, it doesn't also make them fucked up. They can't help it. Rape fantasies are real, common, and normal. Go research if you think I'm wrong.

You're talking like it's wrong to masturbate to any form of pornography. Religiously, it is wrong though but then again, not all are religious.

I don't see rape in the story. I see abuse. But that’s not the point.

Stop making people feel less of themselves just because they have kinks or fantasies about rape.

i don’t know how you don’t see rape because every single sex scene in this story was NOT consensual and therefore it was rape. Dan was taken advantage of, when they met he was in debt, and currently he still needs to pay for his grandmother’s insane medical bills he can’t afford, is homeless, doesn’t have a job. "Technically he has a job and has a home!" he has those only because he obeys Jaekyung and follows his orders, even if it means destroying his mental health and ruining himself. The second Jaekyung feels like it, Dan won’t have a house or a job anymore. He won’t be able to afford his grandma’s hospital bills and will fall into debt again. So to avoid that misery, he has sex with Jaekyung, despite NOT wanting to, because it’s their deal.
"Can I say no?
- no you can’t"
" *Do I truly even have a say in this?*"
It was. Always. Rape.

Now that that point is clear, yes, that makes people fucked up. I do not care about people’s fetishes as long as they’re harmless, and a rape fetish fucking is. I’ve never agreed with CNC (consensual non-con), but ultimately I could still turn a blind eye to it because ppl are doing that shit privately and aren’t bragging about it anywhere. They’re keeping their sex life private like everyone else does.
However these kinds of stories do not only feed fetishists, they also fucking feed IRL rapists. Whatever you think of it, whatever you may feel about it, you cannot deny the fact that there’s people, actual fucking rapists reading this shit (rapists are much more common than you think they are and they’re everywhere, you’ve known some and you probably still know at least one wherever you like it or not) and are reading comments encouraging Jaekyung and his abusive behavior. Some fetishes feed into IRL harmful behavior and are insensitive towards victims. I don’t give a shit how people, some of them have never even experienced at least SA, feel reading what I’m saying. Fiction has always affected reality and that’s a debate that’s been going on since forever. Is this something you’d tell to shotacons and lolicons too? That it’s fine they’re fapping to children because they’re fictional anyway and they’re not actually pedophiles because who cares as long as the kids they touch aren’t real? i guess you have an explanation as to why MRM got banned in multiple countries for child pornography for its shotacon content then?

It you even think of answering with "but that’s two whole different issues!" no it’s not. Your whole point is that kink shaming is bad and that fictional works are fictional for a reason and therefore not harmful.
Pedophilia is one thing, rape is another. Both are crimes punished by law and destroy lives. Both are considered kinks by some people. Putting this here because I’ve had this kind of debate with people like you and they always try to say it’s different when it isn’t. Neither are forgivable. Get a grip.

Ian reading allat but damn yall at it

I never said I enjoyed their relationship but I get where you’re coming from

Bad comparison. Don’t bring pedophila in here. You have a bad argument too. Get a grip. Murder is wrong are you going to go after all the crime shows and Harry Potter?
Horror. Westerns? Tragedy?
Science fiction?
Fantasy? Mythology?

These stories will always be here and exist after we gone. You are doing nothing but opening doors to where we have nothing.
Next it will be this genre.
Next it will be that genre.
Maybe would love to get rid of horror.

You are fighting a losing battle and if you win it, we lose everything eventually because you don’t understand. It will be like dominoes.

I don’t know how you see rape. You are not understanding the story or the meaning of the conversation in ch 34. You and bad irrelevant arguments.

Haters are going to hate. I am seriously thinking some don’t read the story or just some of it. That is why the details are not a exact match to the story.

SA has always been a trope in bl, you have no point here. These things have existed for years, there’s absolutely nothing you can do to change it. It’s a normalcy.

What about people who enjoy slasher films? They enjoy when people get murdered, they enjoy the thrill of fear in a safe environment. It’s the same feeling as rape but much worse. Are you also saying that slasher films encourage more murderers?

I can’t argue with you on the rape topic. You’re ignorant and you need to look at both perspective and take every single thing into consideration. I still see abuse.

The only people that will be encouraging Jk’s behaviors are minors, grown adults who don't have any decency, uneducated individuals. Majority of people identify the wrong behaviour of Jk and will never support this sort of thing irl because they can differentiate between fiction and reality.

If you're going to cancel SA stories, then murder stories should also be canceled.

Take care♡.

It's funny and sad at the same time.

Are you mixing everything up on purpose or are you dumb?
We already talked about "enjoying" those genres. We’re talking about KINKS. KINKS???? You’re trying to sound oh-so-smart by using big boy words and metaphors but you’re the one sounding stupid as hell. I’m telling you some fucking kinks are harmful wether you like it or not. Rape kinks are harmful, you believe they aren’t because it’s just fiction, then what about lolicons who believe their fictional pedophilia is just a kink too? Fucking answer the question. Stop avoiding it to try and making me look dumb. I know you can’t answer it because it literally brings down and destroys every single thing you said previously and if you try to defend it then you’re going to defend actual pedophiles so now you’re beating around the bush

"Haters going to hate

This is actually stupid as fuck because we talked about this like it was the first argument and I am NOT going to repeat myself go back to a few comments earlier and read what I said again.
Trying to mix shit up when the discussion is about kinks and not genres is the dumbest thing ever you’re trying to make an argument out of the thinnest air I’ve ever seen

And this is why most ppl hate BL btw. It’s bc ppl like you try to normalize the SA in it. It SHOULDN’T be normal to normalize so much insane shit and it’s so weird how it happens so much in mlm stories like that’s fetishizing as hell. But yep keep saying since it’s been around since forever then it’s normal and okay… Sounding real smart right now for sure

Bro…I don't feel there's anything wrong with having SA in Bl. There's always a moral lesson at the end of the story and always a warning at the beginning of the story. As long as it has just that with the right audience, I don't see any problem with Bl having SA in it. It's the same with having murder in action films.

Just because I like reading toxic stories doesn't mean I support it irl. Take your own advice and leave people alone. There's nothing you can do to change these fetishes or kinks. You're just crying over spilled milk. Lol.

Yep and keep ignoring the point I previously made just like I said. You’re unable to prove my point wrong and that’s sad as fuck.

You have no point

You're just out here complaining and crying over spilled milk.

Dog still hasn’t answered the question I asked earlier and has been avoiding it like the plague because they know it’s either they have to admit it destroys their entire argument or they’re gonna have to defend pedophiles and now look where we are. But yeah sure I got no argument keep convincing yourself

What question?

Shlawg is doing this on purpose no way what’s up with this insane back and forth I’m done replying to you holy fuck I asked a fucking clear question 3 comments ago and you’ve been beating around the bush like mf crazy now it’s "what question" I’m done with this shit debating with goofy mfers

You could've just answered lmao

So I can answer the question. Why hesitate? Triggered perhaps?

Were you correcting me? I said it how I meant it
Haters are going to hate.
It is correct.

Haters going to hate. This is also correct but not what I wanted. Correcting grammar looks bad on you.

Correct.

Good question for you. It sounds like you know you lost. Lots of ad hominem there. Do you even know how to have a conversation? I don't have to you look dumb, you do fine on your own. You can't handle a conversation without insulting others. I didn't defend pedophiles. I said you had a bad argument. It was a bad comparison to comprehend. That was a disgusting vile sentence to say to try to be right. You have no real arguments. That shows it. Rape kinks are not harmful. You believe they are harmful and you don't have support. I don't believe anything.

https://collegian.com/articles/opinion/2018/12/rego-the-psychology-behind-rape-fantasies/#:~:text=Research%20proves%20that%20these%20fantasies,in%20the%20reality%20of%20rape.

"Research proves that these fantasies are common and it’s okay to fantasize about such coercive and dominating acts. It is by no means condoning actual rape. The psychological dynamics of these fantasies are not to be associated with someone who believes in the reality of rape."


This would be a new article to add to my other 4 links.

Pedophilia should not be an argument here. lolicon is not equivalent to pedophilia


IF you understood I separated pedophilia from REAL GENRES! I never avoided your stupid question. You just made yourself look dumb.

You: Book is a color of the rainbow.
Me: No, it is not. The rainbow is multiple colors but we see ROYGBIV.
You: You can't answer because it literally brings down and destroys every single thing you previously did. If you try to defend it you are trying to defend that a book is a color. So now you are beating around the bush.
Me: You know you lost and making up BULLSHIT!!!!!

"Bad comparison. Don’t bring pedophilia in here. You have a bad argument too. Get a grip. Murder is wrong are you going to go after all the crime shows and Harry Potter?
Horror. Westerns? Tragedy?
Science fiction?
Fantasy? Mythology?

These stories will always be here and exist after we gone. You are doing nothing but opening doors to where we have nothing.
Next, it will be this genre.
Next, it will be that genre.
Maybe would love to get rid of horror."

logical thinking: Pedophilia is not a genre of entertainment. Duh!!!! BIG RED FIRE TRUCK. Stop comparing a pedophilia kink to a rape kink. Rape kinks are common and okay. Pedophilia kinks are NOT!!!!!!!!!!
Lolicon doesn't exactly equal pedophiles and some of it is problematic. I feel sorry for you if you can see the difference between rape and pedophilia. or pedophilia and lolicon. You have NO Arguments. I already answered you and my answer is the same. Nothing has been destroyed or brought down. You were just talking out of your ass.