Bamino's Topics (16)

people can ship whoever they want, no need to get upset about it (づ￣ ³￣)づ
like.. so what if they like him more for the cute puppy look?

Jaewoo is the typical assertive flirty seme paired with a tsundere uke. the nicer guy is usually doomed to remain the second lead, so its cliche either way you look at it..

also his over reliance on his brother and confidence issues are mostly a fault of his own upbringing and his over protective helicopter style parents. they should have stopped with that babying shit when he became a teenager as it had such a negative impact both of their identities growing up.

character development takes time, seowoos not going to change instantly, but as it stands. both brothers are at fault for lying and misleading ohn

Agreed, their parents messed up, but I see a lot of people ignoring how they upbringing affect their circumstances now particular self esteem and personality. They are changing now now that's good.

I agree, but people also ship the confident twin because of his tsundere or rather "oppa" type personality. So you vajr have one and not the other neither reasons are valid if you're looking at it from that point of view. Again, i agree with what you said you just have to distribute the have fairly, but your picking on one because tou stand on the otherside. Not only that you probably have an introspective reason yhay made you like Jaewoo, there are people who feel the same about Seowoo. And omg you said it, I definitely want someone who understands Jaewoo, poor guy has been so forgotten his life. And then I want someone who like Seowoo for himself too, he is in the same bought bullied and picked on. I am on team Seowoo x Ohn though. After Jaewoo compared Ohn to his ex, I was like yeah nah bye, get over that first and then we can talk.

Haha true! I think i did kinda base my bias on Jae-woo, since i do pity him alot and dislike Seo-woo. Thanks for being respectful about it haha(⌒▽⌒)

Fair enough, but the “puppy “ stereotype is a bit too much for me aswell, he kind of behaves like a little kid (⊙…⊙ ) .
I read your other comment, and i agree that i was a bit too biased towards Jaewoo. Thanks for being respectful, i’d like for both the twins to have someone who understands them. Its just very frustrating reading this, because whilst i dislike Cliches and stereotypes, i really dislike the way Seowoo acts towards his brother & Ohn. He kind of treats Jaewoo as fodder, and only a tool to get him closer to Ohn without even considering how Ohn would feel about it. Its just extremely dehumanising in my opinion. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

"He kind of treats Jaewoo as fodder, and only a tool to get him closer to Ohn without even considering how Ohn would feel about it."

this chapter had be thinking this way, but about Jaewoo. like despite the fact you know your brother likes this dude.. your getting smug at the idea of having him all to yourself. you see, I always thought his loyalty to his seowoo and desire to help him out was an admirable quality, despite his older sibling causing him so much grief. so it comes off kind of unfaithful of him to now go after the guy his brother likes after you have already agreed to act as his wingman, what happened to the bro code man? xD

he completely forgot to update him in days on the situation..
which tells you he's no longer thinking about seowoo.

I understand jaewooo wasn't anticipating the possibility he might grow to care about the person he's been spending all this time with (which is kind of naive tbh) and the situation has changed, we cant control these sorts of things after all.. but he should at least tell seowoo he's done enough for him and he needs to make the best of things on his own from here on out. break it off. if jaewoo has feelings for ohn, he needs to make a choice himself, he cant have both his brother, and ohn at the same time. its gunna hurt both of his relationships with them by playing sides like this.

and for the love of- why the hell hasn't he gotten rid of his sketchy ex yet? (that dude seems toxic af) is he keeping him on standby just in case? texting him when he's with ohn.. everything about jaewoo comes off insincere. I guess thats why seowoo started growing on me later on.. because he's simple. he's not in any kind of dubious relationships (overlooking the whole twin switch situation) he just single mindedly likes someone he has trouble expressing his feelings too. I'm not a crazy fan of how often jaewoo points out how "naive" or clueless ohn is either. it comes off patronizing. ohn is not a child.

TLDR: jaewoo has a lot of things going on that put me off about him but I still like his character and respect your opinion. this story always has my stomach in knots lol

" After Jaewoo compared Ohn to his ex, I was like yeah nah bye, get over that first and then we can talk"

thats pretty much where I am at, until he sorts out his own shit first and takes a more honest approach with ohn (either telling him the truth or stop playing wingman for his bro) I cant wholeheartedly root for him. I've been told saewoo with be having a more active role soon, so that helps.. but I cant pass him off either when he still insists on keeping this charade going (to be fair)

the ex seems like he wants to get back together with jaewoo lol..
someone get the fly swatter!

It's all good. Thank you for not taking it personally and being respectful to me too

Yeah very true, I just don't feel good about his ex. It doesn't help that Jaewoo is starting to catch feelings, it's making me feel torn. I feel for him, and I wanna be on both their teams but he needs to sort things out and decide if he wants to be with his ex or with Ohn. He also needs to respectfully not compare him to his ex. Seowoo needs to grow balls and be more daring

Omg you said it the way your articulated every detail like omg, I just.... ahh this is exactly how I feel too. I'm so anxious about the ending because things are going to get messy when he finds out about everything. And also I'm worried that Seowoo might be seeing Raon (his real name) as Ohn the author and not his real self. Jaewoo is getting to know the real person... but I I believe that writers reflect a part (if not the deepest part) of themselves in their work, like artists and musicians, so I don't wanna doubt his sincerity. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until the author shows us otherwise. But yeah, things are just moving in a confusing direction rn

"also I'm worried that Seowoo might be seeing Raon (his real name) as Ohn the author and not his real self." Oh I wouldn't worry about that, he liked him before he even knew about the author thing. Still, it was interesting hearing your thoughts on the characters and story so far though (⌒▽⌒)

I'm still holding out hope jaewoo can break away and turn things around.. but boy
there is going to be a bunch of miscommunication in the future, isn't there?
stories like this sure stress me out (￣∇￣")

I agree haha. Jaewoo also seems pretty insincere, both of them are pretty problematic tbh. Im very interested in seeing how this will play out, yet im always on the edge of my seat when i finish a chapter

Well I'll tell you that I feel like Jaewoo is going to win, there is this chapter, I can't remember which but the look on his face, made me stop and be like "oh no", it was one of those faces you see on kdrama leads when they look like they are about to lose, and it looks like the main girl is picking the wnd male lead, but then she realises she's in love with the asshole main lead. Not sharing Jaewoo is an asshole. But yeah... it reminded me that these things always end the same way. The "tsundere type who is broken but can actually love" trop is strong and whatever character is like that always wins. I want Sewoo to win because to me it's a nice change from the usual and also because in real life no one gets with their crush, but in books it happens so it would be nice but yeah, Jaewoo makes my heart stop, and break. Now I'm just gonna be on Ohn's side this way I don't get hurt when one of the twins is rejected because Ohn still gets a dude lmao, I know I'm doing the most, but 2nd male lead syndrome is strong in this one both the twins are so niceee

Sorry sorry "wnd" was supposed to be 2nd, and "sharing" was supposed to be saying lmao, sorry for any other errors

I get what you mean. I'll start the chapter fine and by the end I'm like when is the next coming i just wanna know how it ends already

"Well I'll tell you that I feel like Jaewoo is going to win" same, if I'm being honest.
this pattern all seems so familiar to me. thats why I'm rooting for the guy with the bigger disadvantage working against him.. previously I was cheering for jaewoo cause I thought HE was the one with the "disadvantage" but then I noticed seowoo had more characteristics in line with what you'd expect a 2nd lead to have.. and jaewoo would probably be the actual ML, so I changed my mind.

ironically.. I'm setting myself up for a loss no matter what, expecting the "loser" to defy the odds.. or "fate" despite knowing the outcome.. I must be insane. its not necessarily that I believe the love interest "who liked him first" should get with ohn, but I dont want it to be the smug/assertive guy who is taking advantage of him either!

I can sort of understand jaewoo's mentality tho, why he wants to seem like a "special" existence to someone so bad and feeds off of that feeling from ohn own circumstances.. think about it..

he thinks he's ohns first true "male" friend, the first person ohn treats as an exception to the "no physical contact" rule, the first person who knows his secret, even his feelings of superiority over his older brother.. based on the notion he thinks HE'S the sole the reason for ohns change. its all goes back to him always being in his brothers shadow and wanting to be more. in earlier chapters.. its sort of implied one of the few people could tell him apart from seowoo, was his ex. so its just my guess here.. I think thats the reason he still keeps the asshole in his life. still.. even though I do sympathize with him for this..

I dont think his broken bird backstory makes him more qualified to be the lead. yeah its sad.. but we forget seowoo was also greatly negativity impacted from what their parents did. a tragic past doesnt make one more "worthy" for love, then someone else. which is something I've seen people trying to argue in favor of jaewoo.

"a tragic past doesnt make one more "worthy" for love, then someone else. which is something I've seen people trying to argue in favor of jaewoo"

This right here summarises everything to perfection. I feel for Jaewoo, but there comes a point in time when you accept your circumstances. You can't change how your life went and the person it made you but but can change it moving forward. He needs to stop always doing things for his brother. Likewise Seowoo needs to stop being so depended on Jaewoo. He feels like he doesn't even exist, it's evident in the way he feels satisfied by his brother basically dating the guy he likes for him, and he even ended up saying some very disturbing things, like maybe he was meant to live for me, about Jaewoo.

They both have some really bad characteristics, but a lot of people start to pick on one person's flaws more because they are not seeing all of the person. Think about it, we've bonded or become attached to Jaewoo more because he's been the main focus, the one talking to Ohn, the one whose perspective we've been following with minor moments from Seowoo. That alone, the fact that the story begins focusing on his perspective makes it so obvious that he really is probably the ML.

Funny thing is, Jaewoo is confident but is it course looking to others for validation, particularly that he is his own person, and I find it funny because the author is playing into this - cos Jaewoo thinks he's the reason Ohn's changing but it's Seowoo (he's being noticed for his brother like he always has been ) and Seowoo, well he never gets anything because his brother is always playing his role for him which is what also makes me think Jaewoo will win because he's playing Seowoo role, in a sense. I hope that makes sense like it makes sense to me but yeah.

The other thing that could happen is Jaewoo could step back because he realises that Ohn likes him for his brother instead (sort of). Also with Seowoo being with someone else it leaves him room to be himself, and focus on things that matter to him, and slowly but surely they become individuals.

some very good points! hopefully they can both grow out of these bad habits they have, and I think your right about jaewoo stepping back to some degree. I had a feeling he would distance himself a bit from ohn after being reminded he's seen as "seowoo" this chapter..

considering he left a certain drunk blue haired kid alone and wasn't the one to go on that infamous theater date (despite expressing interest in inviting him to a movie himself) pretty accurate.. must have felt like a slap to the face, being brought back to reality like that when he was just dreaming of future events with him lol. you poor lying bastard.. you kind of deserve it tho. fall victim to your own trap, get hurt..
then come clean and live as jaewoo (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

I both dread and anticipate ohns reaction to all of this.. but ultimately all this conflict will be for the best for both brothers regarding development (and their relationship)
I just feel terrible for seowoo.

Yeah same. I can't wait for the next chapter , I read some raw material but it was in hangul, I can read it but only understand a few words so I had no idea what was being said. But anyways, this has been a very healthy and insightful discussion thank you for creating your comment and allowing us to participate hehehe (≧∀≦)

The last part was for both you and Bamino because I came to comment on both your comments. I should have probably put it separately (￣∇￣")

oh no problem, it been fun discussing this all with you both~ have a good day.

Agreed. His past doesnt justify his actions, and although they are understandable, they’ll only hurt Ohn in the end if he’s just staying around him because he feels special.

is jooin the dog? :) the author is fucking it up with all due care

Nope,,, Cain is the dog and his master is Jooin (●'◡'●)

I find like thats the authors last attempt to save the manga? There were barely any supernatural remarks until now. Very inconsistent.

this was always in the plot the moment cain was introduced, maybe you don’t remember but cain mentioned having known jooin in the past that’s why he called him master when they first met

I know, but im not the only one who thought it wasnt just him meeting him when they were younger? All of a sudden this is going to be some reincarnation manga? (￣∇￣")

the author previously wrote a manga about past and stuff which makes absolutely no sense. so here we go again.

no i know it’s kinda wonky.. to say the least but i was just saying just in case anyone was actually confused because it was already supposed to happen anyway

Finally someone who thinks the same as me !! Jaewoo always had to act for his brother sake since they were children I really pity him. No wonder he got so carefree because his brother and parents always relied on him..

Exactly. The only plus of seo-woo is the fact that hes cute tbf, and thats why people overlook his shitty behaviour. He acts like a literal child, and whilst its “cute”, its toxic as fuck

I can’t remember the exact line, but seowoo basically said maybe he should just have jaewoo live this out for him (he had already done a bunch of things and it’s obvious jaewoo kind of has feelings but doesn’t realize, and ohn is falling for Jaewoo even if he is saying his name is seowoo, his personality isn’t). It is very fucked up he isn’t taking his brother into consideration at all and is just okay having him do everything like a puppet.

I REMEMBER THIS LINE TOO- Seo-woo just gives me bad vibes. Hes pretty manipulative too, so i wont be able to read this if him and ohn get together- (⊙…⊙ )

Exactly. He was like remembering how great it was that because he was sickly as a child they only ever said his name but then he came to realize how little a name meant. Like boy stfu. How do you think your brother felt when you were the only one getting the extra love? And now this? Seowoo seems all cutesy and innocent but I feel there’s something else there. Some reason jeowoo is doing this even though he didn’t want to. It’s fucked up. But I will riot if jeowoo (who ohn has even at this point realized didn’t even really do anything bad to him in highschool) doesn’t end up with ohn. I feel the girl squad will be helpful

meh they are both playing ohn and are manipulative, hes going to get hurt. the older brother is treating this as a game

they are both pretty despicable

same thoughts. but i'm pretty sure ohn's gonna end up with jaewoo lmao

same, but I hate it when its this obvious who the lead is gunna end up with, its boring and makes me root for like.. anyone else. I just dont see why we should hate on any one twin specifically, people painting saewoo as evil incarnate because they like jaewoo more need to chill lol

ikr. jaewoo is also at fault here. they're both playing with ohn. the only reason i am keeping up with this is i am curious with ohn's reaction and how will he handle the situation.

True. In the end the ones whos gonna get hurt the most isnt seowoo or jaewoo , its Ohn. Its just gonna add to the trauma he has with men

thats what I was thinking too, it could get worse because of this betrayal of trust
he probably assume they were just messing around with him the whole time I can already see it.