I have two explanations about the fuckery (literally and figuratively speaking) that is going in the manga. Either the mangaka is trying to parody the incest theme in yaoi, or she was high as a kite when creating this, no offense.
Sorry, I missed the like button. （/TДT)/
Haha, don't worry about it.
On the one hand I do understand what you mean, but on the other hand... why do you think an incest yaoi can't have a humorous approach? In my case, I actually do prefer a more sensitive path with this kind of topic, but it didn't keep me from enjoying a funnier approach. I mean, there are a whole lot of fucked up issues in yaoi mangas (with rape seeming to be the most popular one), still people don't complain if the manga takes a different turn of events - even if the uke might have been raped by the seme in the beginning. E.g. Hidoku Shinaide: Masa's raped Nemu countless of times in the first volume, still people love their relationship as it progessed.
I admit that the humour itself in this particular manga is debatable and maybe even kind of over the top, but I think it's hypocritical if people can accept comedy in a manga that started as pure rape (just an example), but if it's about incest it has to be a parody on a sensitive topic.
Really no offence meant, just stating my thoughts on this matter.
I think i understand what you're trying to say. Yeah, i agree with you and personally speaking i don't have much problem if controversial, darker or more serious matters of real life are treated lightly or in a more humorous or funny way in fiction. After all comedy at times tends to draw inspiration from many unpleasant situations. For example, i liked very much Kawaii Akuma by Madarame Hiro where rape is used as a continuous gag. I found that manga hilarious and very entertaining. Same with the manga right here. I found it very funny and i enjoyed reading it. My comment was not meant do diss the manga or say it was not good (generally, i don't have a problem expressing my opinion whether is good or bad, even if offends other people ) but it had to do more with the fact that this particular manga is so far fetched and some situations are so unbelievable and extreme, that personally i can't but think that it must be a parody of some sort of the incest genre. Maybe i'm wrong, i don't know, but all those brother and uncle complexes in here are almost like a caricature of the incest theme, it's like the magaka deliberately tried to create something so outlandish and unreal that only parody can justify it, in my opinion.
On the other, I can understand why you must think people being hypocrites when they enjoy the relationship that started with rape in the manga that you cited (i haven't read it yet) but they seem to have problem with this. I think it has to do with the fact that people are not comfortable with the idea of incest, even if it's fictional, and furthermore i think the story in this manga, though enjoyable, is a bit too complicated and extreme even for those who enjoy incest. Furthermore, whether we like to admit it or not i think we all tend to be biased and hypocritical when it comes to think that we personally are fine with, enjoy or identify with. For example, you will see many people be extremely prejudice and unforgiving toward semes but extremely forgiving and tolerant toward ukes.
Anyway, i hope my rumblings make a sense and you managed to understand what i'm trying to say because english is not my first language and generally i'm not good at expressing myself.
By the way, i'm not taking any offense by you expressing your opinion. This is an open forum and we all have the right to state our opinion about a manga, whether it's good or bad.
"For example, you will see many people be extremely prejudice and unforgiving toward semes but extremely forgiving and tolerant toward ukes."
Except in the case of sex. I've noticed that much prejudice is given towards ukes that have sex with anyone besides the seme, even if it happened years before he even met the seme. But on the other hand, if the seme is shacking up with 10 others while being with the uke, all is forgiven if he apologizes.
I just always found it strange, like, the uke isn't allowed to have a libido, or even someone he possibly loved, before coming to love the seme.
The only case were some people may be not be comfortable with the uke's libido, is when it is extremely high and he is sleeping around while the seme is introduced in the story, which happens awfully lot, unfortunately. Other than that, not many people have a problem if the uke has slept with someone besides the seme. (Take a look at the top rate yaoi and you will see that most of them have extremely sexually experienced ukes, so ....) Also, i really haven't seen many stories were the seme has other lovers when the uke is in the picture, i have seen the opposite a lot though, and i have definitely not seen the readers forgive him that easily just because he apologized.
I read the prequel of this manga (which i loved) and right after read this one. In the previous manga we see Hayashida abuse his boyfriend and main character, Yumi. The abuse is not just a slight shove or a slap mind you. We are talking about serious, repeated beatings, mental abuse etc. Some pretty chilling things. So i came here to see if Hayashida could somehow redeem himself for the suffering that he caused to his ex lover. The truth is i expected so much more but in the end i wasn't satisfied with his story.
The story of Hayashida is so much focused on the sex that the most important thing for me, ie his violent past was kind of brushed over. Yes, we see him regreting what he did and we are offered an excuse of why he did it but that for me is not enough. You can't go and beat your loved ones because you have a shitty job. If that's the case, 50% of the population would constantly beat the other 50%. What i'm trying to say is that i wanted more focus on how a person can turn out to be as violent as Hayashida was, how that person can stop that abominable behavior and how can we be sure that he is not going to behave in that way again or beat his current partner. I don't know, but for me the story was kind of lacking. I felt so sad for Yumi in the previous story that i needed a real good excuse to be able to forget what Hayashida did, care for him and feel happy that he found someone who loved him. In the end though, i didn't much care for him.
Ogeretsu Tanaka, is an awesome artist and her stories can be really amazing. In this one i enjoyed the first story, i enjoyed the brilliant art, as always, but i wanted so much more regarding the second story.
Have you tried reading Azami? It goes more in depth on Hayashida's past with Yumi and what happened to him at work tha led to his abusive behavior.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hadakeru_kaibutsu/
The sequel explores his abuse more I think. I can't remember. And definitely reado Azami
How can you say the excuse offered was not enough to forgive him? Not only does he have a shitty job, but he was abused and raped as well. He was stomped on the face and kicked in the stomach to the point he bled and vomit. And what's worse, the people around him turned a fucking blind eye on it. He knew what he was wrong and mind you he was the one who took the initiative to let yumi go. Yumi didn't have the balls to let himself be free from Hayashida, and the moment Hayashida saw Mayama he knew that's his one and only chance to let go of Yumi. You can't solely blame hayashida for their abusive relationship in the past since Yumi was relying on it as well and didn't do shit about it. "Even though Kan chan hit me, it didn't hurt at all". Wtf? He was submitting himself to the abuse because he had no where to go, and when hayashida saw mayama he knew that he can finally let go of yumi since yumi has a place to go now. In all honesty, Hayashida truly loved yumi and regretted what he did and this story just shows how he tries to rebuild himself as a person. The next book shows his process of redemption and honestly I love Hayashida and Shuuna's character the most in the series. They both show so much character and relationship development.
I admit that i haven't read the manga where it shows Hayashida's abuse in depth. I didn't even know it existed before some people pointing it out. I will check it out, though i can't stand innocent people getting abused.
His abused parts were put into bits by bits in the prequel and also sequel so you'll have to do quiet some research on that. Also, yes, I can't stand that as well and Ogeretsu sensei delivered the perfect message that life is not all fluff and rainbows. Kannosuke was innocent as well, all he wanted was to earn for him and yumi and his family. No one saw it coming and before they knew it, it was too late. That's why it's important why they say "we can't go back". Because shit happened, and he knew it was beyond forgiveness. That's why him and shuuna's relationship is more about rebuilding and searching their new, better selves. （/TДT)/ Their relationship is so deep that I'm honestly addicted. I'm more into their relationship rather than Mayumi tbh. (￣∇￣")
Also, you have to understand why their relationship started off filled with sex. He said when he has sex with Shuuna, he is able to forget about thr person he was. Which means his past abusive self still haunts him and sex was the only way to make him run away from it. They started off solely as sex partners for pleasure. As the chapter progress you can see that Hayashida becomes confused of his feelings. He kept convincing himself that all he needed from Shuuna was sex because he kept thinking that he doesn't deserve to love anymore and only needs to run away from the past. (Also it has been 3-4 years since the Mayumi incident) That's why he hesitated when Shuuna wanted to have sex with him because he's scared.(hence why you see Hayashida not facing Shuuna when they had sex later on in the series) But in the end Shuuna taught Hayashida that he doesn't have to cling to his past any longer. He doesn't want Hayashida to smile like in the past, rather find a new smile instead. When he said he wanted Hayashida to smile like in the picture he meant that he wanted Hayashida to find happiness again, not go back to the past. Hayashida was constantly punishing himself and making himself think that he doesn't deserve love anymore and Shuuna taught him to let go of the past, close the old dirty book that he kept scribbling and start off with a new clean book to write. That's why he said "I'm in love with the present you" and also why Hayashida said he didn't need Shuuna to save him or make him forget the past and just be with him and love him. Because slowly he was already changing for the better, all the painful and awful things he did in the past, it remains a scar for him to reflect. He only needed shuuna to be there for him and support him.
Shuushida might start off with sex, but they ended without it. Which is also an important point in their relationship. (Also in contrary with mayumi lolol) Shuushida is all about forgiving your past and redemption while Mayumi has always been stuck in the past, but this time no mkre running away and facing it. Quite ironic. Both deep and sweet in their oen way but I felt like Shuushida has a stronger meaning in all honesty (⌒▽⌒)
Don't judge things too fast!!! And you have to look at the circumstances from every angle. Not only one sided view!!! Hayashida's story is STILL ONGOING. Someday he will have to solve the issue with Yumi and it starts now.
Yea you definitely need to read the complete released story first!!! You need to check it out, but i think there are 3 titles related to hayashida's story. And then the story is still ongoing anyway. It's just a prelude an introduction. If you want evrythings to be explained in these several.chapters, it will be too short and you will be complaining again that it is lack of depth.
Fucking hell... Well, here goes my sleep for tonight.
Did you read the whole thing in one go? How long did it take?
Took me like 24hrs no sleep no pee no shower. Something like that. It was too good to stop reading so I kinda pissed my pants.
Oh my God, i finally finished it! Those two individuals .... those two fictional individuals.... Because of them i almost got bald from pulling my hair! This manga, i hated and loved at the same time. Kyouichi and Imagase, i wanted them to break up already and move on with their lives and at the same time i was mentally screaming at them to get the hell back together and stop hurting themselves and other people left and right!
This , and it's prequel, are not two easy manga to read and if you are like me who gets emotionally connected to the characters and gets easily irritated prepare yourself for a lot of screen shouting and hair pulling. But these, for me, are up there with some of the best yaoi manga that i have ever read.
Imagine having smelly, walking fishes coming after you and Kaori screaming non stop in your ear... I wouldn't have been surprised if Tadashi had stopped running and thrown himself straight into the fishes after all
Same. Too bad he's immune to the germ.
A very relaxing, calm story with realistic enough characters and plot. There is an elegance to this manga that i really appreciated. The romance is slow, nothing seemed forced to me or exagerated. Reading the story i had the feeling that i was seeing normal, everyday people being exactly that. I have to agree with someone who whished there were more mangas like this out there.
This, this right here is a brilliant manga! The artist has created a wonderful story filled with humorous and silly moments but also serious and deep ones. I loved everything about it, the art, the characters, the plot, everything! I'm not good at expressing my thoughts so i the last thing i'm going to add is that this is one of the better yaoi mangas out there and if someone hasn't read it, they most definitely should!
It has a prequel, yo! Start with that first!
This manga was not at all what i expected it would be. It's really good.
Kind of unrealistic but creepy nonetheless
Aren't most stories unrealistic?