BETHOVEN's Topics (136)

Reading those doesn’t mean we approve of that behavior though?

How is reading tolerating.. You look lile you act like as if Letting them force you is Consent and saying yes-

I've seen a lot of comments condemning noncon relationship or "morality discussion" on those manhwas that you named too. And that aside what kinda logic is that?! Just because people love those stories doesn't mean they should approve of noncon in other stories or in general.

Quote where I said so. I just said I see no morality discussion, my first statement is literally saying I don't agree with the way it was handled but me personally I don't find it rape, the line is really superfluous when the other act continues the process

I dont recall my comment saying so. I made it clear that I thought the way it was handled was not appropriate but at the same time the limit between rape or not here is superfluous. Now take it as you want it

Where did I stated so. Personally I see no condemnation towards in those types of mangas, I would even risk myself to say people enjoy those type of plots and that's why they are extremely popular and common. For the third time, I don't consider this rape , especially when the other party continued . The line is superfluous here. You take it as you want it. My comment was just regarding hypocrisy. If you don't belong to the group or you criticise those type of mangas then don't include yourself. No need to reply back

Alright maybe R4p3 is a rush and harsh thing to call it, But he is taking advantage of Woowon and that is not something you can debate. Woowon clearly said stop, no matter what reason why he said so NO IS NO.
Just because they are in love doesn't mean they can't take advantage on one another, Your loved ones can easily hurt you, They can literally do anything at any moment.
And again just because Woowon is saying stop for Seo-an's sake doesn't mean he's giving him consent to keep going or that he wants to it at this instant, NO MEANS NO. No matter what reason why you said no, NO IS STILL NO.

Honestly. And them saying people enjoy that kind of plot doesn’t mean it’s okay. If at all a part of you even likes non consensual sex (I.e. rape) then you need immense help.

Now that's going too far. Yaoi is a genre for adults and adults often can distinguish between fiction and reality. A lot of people might enjoy r@p3 trope in yaoi because it gives them a sense of pleasure through guilt and that's perfectly normal, though we sympathize with the characters we also know that nobody actually get hurt. There is a difference between genre-driven r@p3 and r@p3 as a crime in society.

Still stand by what I said. Take is always disgusting and if it makes you feel good, seek help. Have a nice day!

Still stand by what I said. Rape is always disgusting regardless of context and if it makes you feel good, seek help. Have a nice day!

I absolutely have NO IDEA How someone can think in such a way.. I AM IMMENSELY SORRY But- Plesse.. Just- God help.

So would you say woowon took advantage of seo an previous chapters ago when SEO an clearly stated that he didn't want him eating his ass but he didn't stop? Again cause he didn't want to harm him ? Just curious, because based on your arguments that could be considered rape or sexual assault but it clearly isn't , so where do you draw the line

One think is writers including rape for whatever purpose they want in their story and another different one is enjoying those scenes. Like how can you even feel excitement from seeing others being sexually taken advantage offrom others

Which part are you? Will you tell me the exact chapter? Because I have a hunch you don't understand what I said. Are you talking aboit their first time? Where Seo-an said that Woowon shouldn't take top since it will be uncomfortable.. Or what? TELL ME. So that can't explain to you.

I meant, Tell me.. So I can explain to you.

First of all making it clear that I'm not against your opinion cause your reply seems a bit high tone , or maybe that's just me misinterpreting. I only differ in the fact that I wouldn't call this rape or sexual assault, though Iam still not fond of his actions , specially when next chapter wonwo does initiate several sexual intercourses once he grabs a lube , making it clear he just wanted seoan to be safe. That being said the chapter I'm referencing is chapter 53. You can see seon an clearly stating that wonwoo should stop eating his ass and how he found it uncomfortable

As far as my understanding goes and what I understood, rape is non consensual penetration but it's as well a form of sexual assault. So of course the example I set wouldn't be rape but would you say wonwoo sexually assaulted seo an ? The situation matches sexual assault definition and the only difference, aside from the penetration of course, is the mood in both situations. Here SEO an is clearly in an unstable behaviour while I'm the other was more of a chill make out. However, taking your comments as reference no is no, so I don't get why I saw no criticism in that chapter

Well I can't give you my honest judgments since I haven't seen the chapter yet.. I mean like really, I don't get why you're asking me that too tho. I mean I get it, But you were trying to ask me if wither I also see that as Taking advantage or SA but fr haven't even saw that chapter LOL. I can't get the full context. So idk-

No , that's a previous chapter. Chapter 53 when they got back from wowoon first model gig

Here https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/the_pizza_delivery_man_and_the_gold_palace/uu/br_chapter-181289/pg-1/

Wait help, Sorry.. I thought you meant the new one.. Wait, Give me a sec LMAO.

Okay, I re read it. I even started at chapter 52. First of all I honestly have no idea how you came up to compare those scenes. In chapter 52, They started by a "HEALTHY" Make-out session then lead to another. So basically before everything happened it was 'Consented'. Then ends up to Woowon eating Seo-an's ass up. And also I'm sorry but I cannot find where Seo-an states he is 'uncomfortable..' In my observation though, it was pride calling that he would have never seen himself getting fucked or sucked like that because it's a first for him. And That is Seo-an's personality.. He has huge pride and sometimes eats him, that's one of his problem for me in my opinion. So here's my conclusion, I do not see that as Taking advantage at all.. Because it was Consented from the start, I Personally saw him saying no to Woowon sucking his ass up because He just wanted to get straight to the point. Since he did said "My pride can't take this" On chapter 53. And also that he'd rather "Let him tear him apart than keep on sucking it"
It wasn't like how chapter 60 started. I'm pretty sure you an differentiate the two. They're so different. 

Sure , and personally I do not consider that sexual assault as well but based on what you said of STOP IS STOP... In my interpretation in this last chapter similar considerations can be taken into account. You will see in next chapter of course but rape is kind of a stretch for me. Not like I can't understand people seeing it as so but if we can take context into consideration for one so should it be done in this one. That's all

I don't know if my reply will make sense but I'm trying to explain to you that the two were basically different things. Chapter 53 and Chapter 60 is not worth comparing in my opinion because of how them doing it started.
Chapter 53, was filled with consent and wants desire and love. Both were in mood, and wiling to do it. Chapter 60, the sudden s3x was out of place since it all started from a huge bang, or fight.. Yk what I mean. They came from Seo-an's frustration rising to the top, and dragging Woowon against the bed.. (Basically the s3x was unnecessary to happen at that time) It wasn't the right time, Woowon was uncomfortable of how Seo-an was mad he even said "Why are you so mad" in his thoughts.. Or something like that. Then to Seo-an suddenly touching him intimately, Woowon wasn't even hard at first, because he really didn't felt doing it. It wasn't the right time, So he said no.

Of course, and there was no consent established at the beginning and that's why I'm not particularly fond on the development of the chapter, but for me I wouldn't consider it rape , I would definitely like if he was held accountable of it ofc but doesn't seem to be the case in previous chapters, specially with woowon continuing and falling into to non communication circle , just sex to release the pent out stress

(If this is a double i truly apologize it doesn't show my reply)
Okay, I re read it. I even started at chapter 52. First of all I honestly have no idea how you came up to compare those scenes. In chapter 52, They started by a "HEALTHY" Make-out session then lead to another. So basically before everything happened it was 'Consented'. Then ends up to Woowon eating Seo-an's ass up. And also I'm sorry but I cannot find where Seo-an states he is 'uncomfortable..' In my observation though, it was pride calling that he would have never seen himself getting fucked or sucked like that because it's a first for him. And That is Seo-an's personality.. He has huge pride and sometimes eats him, that's one of his problem for me in my opinion. So here's my conclusion, I do not see that as Taking advantage at all.. Because it was Consented from the start, I Personally saw him saying no to Woowon sucking his ass up because He just wanted to get straight to the point. Since he did said "My pride can't take this" On chapter 53. And also that he'd rather "Let him tear him apart than keep on sucking it"
It wasn't like how chapter 60 started. I'm pretty sure you an differentiate the two. They're so different.

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Also thanks for the conversation and the insight I truly appreciate it

Sorry the dot was only a testing if ever I reload will ot dissappear.. And really does-.. So ye-

I'm trying to state facts here not my personal opinion. "A 2012 survey of English-language yaoi fans found that just 15 percent of respondents reported that the presence of rape in yaoi media made them uncomfortable, as the majority of respondents could distinguish between the "fantasy, genre-driven rape" of yaoi and rape as a crime in reality." Maybe I shouldn't have used the term "enjoy" since enjoying isn't equivalent to not being uncomfortable. As for me I didn't particularly enjoy the latest chapter, I felt sad for both of them but I won't go as far as calling that rape or sa. And I won't criticize the authors for putting such contents in their stories because whether we like it or not rape is a theme in yaoi.

Honestly I don’t get it either. Rape isn’t something to be enjoyed regardless of context.

I personally think like how Woowon's reacting to Seo-an insisting on doing it would definitely also make me uncomfortable.. Because ya'll are a couple and have this dumb miscommunication and conflict right now, and while your partner is only insisting on fucking, makes me sick to the stomach like seriously.. I'm not even like being cap rn, It's sick af.
That's where it draws the line really, Being intimate with your partner requires time and patient. If everything isn't good in ya'll relationship suggesting on s3x would literally be the worst thing you can suggest.
That's why it's now "Taking advantage" and how it was really "Forceful".
Because it really wasn't it. So Woowon's No was a serious No. Like fr suggesting "instead of doing it let's alteast talk". 

From the raws spoilers...i literally can't wait to rip him apart. This f*cking piece of shit how dare he?!?!?!! How dare he do that???!!!

Thank you for saying what i had been thinking for weeks, I'd like to add, if he had acted up they would have got it on tape like they did now and woowon doesn't really need that, but I'm pretty sure tge author is going to use this to start woowon development and I'm all here for it! What you said about switching was real af yo

I don't see the problems with switch couples, personnaly I like them but it's just so rare to find a manwha with a switch, there is always a top and a bottom..it would be nice to have more switch couples in general.

Totally agree. If they had recorded him punching the mf back it would probably be over for him. He is already an overthinker, I can only imagine how bad he would have felt if STH like that had happened. Also, it's really refreshing how well they balance each other when it comes to personalities

I think you misunderstood me. I have nothing against switching. I enjoy switching myself. My point is that these types of comments only arrise when both top and bottom have similar physiques and the top behaves like a " bottom ". Meaning, he is not as aggressive and is more laid back. I have never seen switching comments unless the scenario is as I described. If the author decides to make them switch, then that's perfect. My only point is the interiorized stigma (which personally I believe has root in misogyny but that's just my opinion)

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I also said they are not switching because I read the RAWS. Not because I'm deciding so XD

I also read the raws lol I’m just hoping for a switch just once in the story and even with this kind of scenario I don’t see the problem I mean, to each their own. Personally I’m fine with everything

And the top is not behaving like a bottom I mean he is kinda pushy and jealous too like the bottom

That's why I added the " bottom" cause it's not exactly behaving like the stigma of a bottom. He just looks and acts softer, thats all. But again , my point still stands, comments for switching aren't found in stories where the top is bigger than the bottom (like by a considerate gap) or the bottom acts in the so called "cute/babygirl" way.

do you have a link for raws(⊙…⊙ )

Here sweetheart https://newtoki319.com/webtoon/28292100?toon=BL%2FGL

plsss may i ask where did you read it?

the fan translation hasn't caught up with the webtoon story line ....there are Spanish translation of this l am leaving some links for you to venture into the novel spoilers
https://www.novelupdatesforum.com/threads/bl-%EC%8B%9C%EB%A7%A8%ED%8B%B1-%EC%97%90%EB%9F%AC-semantic-error.109680/
(spoilers)

https://sleepytranslations.com/series/semantic-error/

(Fan Translation)

https://www.novelupdates.com/series/semantic-error/#comments


https://novelasblparasiempre.blogspot.com/2020/11/error-semantico-1.html

Spanish

OMG i've been searching for sites other than sleepytrans because I know that many non-english translations have already been completed, but I can't find any. Thank you sm! .^◡^.

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