
The only only thing I don't like is chungi still trying his luck when he knows the other person is in a happy relationship. I really dislike when people go for someone who's in a relationship. I'm not saying I don't like chungi because he's not annoying about it I just wanted to let it out there. I've seen this in so many bls and it always has the same results. Unrequited love

Agh I don't know why I'm not waiting for this to end to read it. I also don't know how I end up on love triangles because I really hate them. The only reason I'm even opening them is to see who I'd choose and then I get stuck. It's also hard for me to read love triangles and not go insane cuz I'm a pretty direct person I would say and not knowing who I actually like is pretty stupid to me. Like how'd you spend so much time deciding.

WAIT WHAT HAPPENED WHY IS EVERYONE SAYING THEY HAD HIGH HOPES. Did I miss something

Ah thx for telling me. I was kinda scared cuz I was enjoying this so far. Fun fact: I got to this manhwa by accident and just clicked on that chapter where he was being beaten on table or something and I was literally SHOCKED. Didn't read any description or anything just clicked on a random ch. Let's say I was very happy to see that it was actually consensual and enjoyed

this person “smj” or something is saying in the comments that people are just “overreacting” and “they are upset over nothing” when there is clearly things within the bl people are CLEARLY mad about. calling people stupid and just harassing me. they actually had me blocked but they unblocked me to harass me and then blocked me again….

Can you say exactly what is wrong with this bl? It's ok to just dislike something cuz you ain't fucking with it but don't put your opinion on others. I swear I'm not getting why all the hatred when everything was consensual. And no. That thing with the innocent people outside blahblah ain't a reason. That's nonsense

i never said i disliked the bl i can like something and still point out its flaws and not agree with it. they have poor Communication skills with the seme not comforting him when he needs at the most, and also sexually assaulting Random people in public to fulfill their fetishes. stop acting like i’m just trying to pick fights with people.

im not trying to be rude or anything but uhh i think you need to do a little research on the law! public indecency is illegal in korea (and in most other countries) because you are obviously causing a disturbance to others. i wouldnt label it as "sexual assault", but it can plainly cause discomfort or even trigger trauma in some individuals.

I generally agree with the idea of "it's just a story" & that ppl shouldn't actually take educational value out of a fucking smut story LMAO. However, they aren't really spouting nonsense? Like it is illegal to indecently expose yourself to others... (ofc the law varies). Just bc this is a story & they are referring to real life doesn't mean they pulling shit outta their buttholes (everything can be a learning moment including a sex story LMAO). Nothing wrong with wanting to quit bc it ain't ur taste, but I agree with shoving it down other ppl's throats (which imo I didn't see on either side) is not okay.
I will say tho that half of these readers are probably underage and have no experience with the community/sex in general and may internalize this? Idk can't really speak for them though (however, we know the effects of porn & the male population... but correlation not always causation...butttttt)
+ This isn't an acutally healthy relationship tho (which a tag won't make clear of because as someone said they stumbled here on accident and hoped for the best LMAO - psychological can mean many things like horror, manipulation, mental issues, mystery, sad, trauma, etc - yes ik there are other tags for that but as a general it's not always clear). I will say it is a better depiction of a healthIER relation than some of these other crazy ahh stories, but still not the best (doesn't mean one can't/shouldn't enjoy but only AS LONG as they are aware of WHY it isn't healthy - which I don't think is really clear hence why people are asking "why do we dislike it?").
Additionally, just because something is consensual does NOT make it a free for all. A simple google search about BDSM & healthy relation vs abuse shows that limitations and borders should be put in place (not just on real life/play but within play as well). Consent can be revoked whenever (importance of a safe word) and in this case it's hard to see what was up with MC but he seemed like he wanted to use the safe word but was scared that ML or whoever would leave him for being too "weak". In this case I thought psychological referred to his mental state cuz man is not the best in the head (which is also a no for a relation like that).
I personally enjoy the story & I think there ain't nothing wrong with that, as long as there is a line between fiction and reality, something that I don't think is very common amongst some of these people unfortunately (both on the degenerate and holy grailer sides).
(If you made it this far congo? But like I think everything I said is a fair evaluation/median of this story, of both sides of this "fight", & in general so- if we get pressed abt this idrk really what to say)

Good because I don't have time to sit here reading nonsense lol You're all way way too pressed about a literal work of fiction that started out with a person enjoying what was technically SA. Nit picking "don't expose the public" in a fictional world just because your other arguments fell through is absolutely nonsense. The more you all virtue signal and cry about it being a bad representation of bdsm and about things being illegal, go back to the first chapter where rape was fully fetishized, and then cry about the so far pretty good representation. Of course it's not perfect, no fictional world would be perfect, let alone as entertaining without a bit of growth and fucked up psyche.

If you are gonna respond & not read that is kinda crazy LMAO.
I don't see where you got "I'm pressed" out of my lil essay there - just because I enjoy a debate doesn't mean I'm out to throw stones in my own lil glass house here. I enjoy watching other people get heated tho Gotta be open minded and it's definetly clear who isn't
I am not the one saying that you shouldn't read & that it's a piece of trash & author should burn LMAO - I'm reiterating the importance of educating people on topics that some people clearly aren't grasping/defending. You can enjoy a piece of work (like I am) and acknowledge that it isn't a good representation nor is it a healthy one (like I am) and explain why. By dismissing "it's just a story", while it is true, it is ignorant because this shit does happen LMAO. Sure this isn't the "educational" setting anyone wants bc they trynna read in peace but you can't dismiss the fact that it ain't all that either.
While it may seem like I was nit picking I was only using examples that was the hot topic for this discussion board/comment whatever. If I wanted to dive deeper I could, but as you said you don't have the time but here we are:
- Glorifying SA & essentially turning it into a kink (some people like CNC but in this case it was literally not consentual but some could potentially argue that - red flag also illegal - like the SA part not the glorifying it but to be fair publishing acts of violence/promoting it can be illegal)
- Stalking/becoming violent when denied a relation? Generally a red flag (illegal too)
- The way the D/s relation started.. red flag (mental health/no trust/borederline could be depending on the person abuse?)
- General interactions - red flag (ignoring friends, reasons for the d/s relation, etc)
- Not having a physical safe word as well - red flag
- ETC
Just because one point was brought up & another was overlooked does not make the first invalid LMAO. I don't think the issue was with glorifying SA either since (in a way - don't get me wrong it's still fucked) MC did "want" (for a huge lack of better words) it since he was into it - basically trynna say he consented but didn't??? (DOESN'T MAKE IT BETTER BUT he was seeking it & didn't have an issue? If you get it you will if you don't then shit - I don't mean to victim blame but like it's hard to defend either side). The issue with public displays is that onlookers/passerbys DON'T consent LITERALLY at all. They aren't seeking it, they aren't expecting it, they weren't informed about it - hence why it was probably the main deterrence for the people above & not the first few chapters.
Once again stabalizing my positon: Fuck each other like bunnies in a strip mall on a sunday at noon for all I care AS LONG AS IT'S FICTIONAL. Imma still drink this story up like I've been stranded in the desert & this story the only water supply. I've read worse (can you even imaginee :OOOO - sarcasm btw) & will probably continue to do so (ie. one was a cannibal - the other was.. well was). Reason why I picked this story was cuz people crying like children on both sides & it's fun to chime in (great way to delay studying imo).
As for my other arguments... what are they? (genuinely don't know - but would love to talk about it & how they fell through because if I'm lacking in an argument I take it fr and will either admit I fucked up or like add context).
I will say like deflecting to "cry about the other messed up things & how this is a bad representation" doesn't actually help your case - but kinda mine? Like it's even more reason why this story on crack? I see where you may be coming from like why single out this thing when the other was worse (which imo it was LMAO) but as I said I didn't cover those topics because they (in this argument) were not relevant since people were talking about indecent exposure & BDSM culture. & not sure what you meant by come back and realize this is a good representation? Like cuz it isn't - it's better than most but just because I give an inch doesn't mean the story can take/deserves a mile.
& Ur right no world is perfect (&def boring without drama) not even our own (including the BDSM relations) but once again, nothing wrong with hoping - just probably knowing YAOI in general is probably not the best place to look for it LMAO.
As for accusations of virtue signals & allthat I can attest for myself that I am definetly not virtuous (literally just look at my reading/read/wtv). The only thing that 100000% got me on bye bye is CP and I think that should be the case for everyone (or so I hope) but this isn't about that. Anyways, I'm personally fine with reading stories w manipulation, bad endings, horror, gore, SA, & all the shit that is under the BL christmas tree. Does that mean I agree with them happening in real life? Nuh uh. I'm the first to say cut their dicks off LMAO.
I can recognize RL from stories - but can you recognize that about me?

I mean I don't but procrastinating is certainly a hobby I indulge in what can I say. Unfortunately, read or not I enjoyed the process of writing it and in the end I don't feel like it was a wasteヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~
It truley is a disappointment when one can't even have a proper conversation w/o the other jumping to conclusions and attacking character - but I guess it's to be expected sometimes

Ok so. I read everything and now I don't know what to start with so I'mma just say what I have in mind. Firstly I find it very weird for doing this kinda public things labeled as sa because it's only about the tension not needing to see the people or something. But idk I haven't find anywhere to say it is actually labeled as that so. Also as I said there isn't a BDSM one where they're not doing public stuff. I literally haven't seen one person to say something about the plays in BJ Alex. Also doing it in a bathroom stall isn't considered the same by that logic. And let's be honest cuz there FR ISN'T A BL WITHOUT A PUBLIC BATHROOM SCENE. Anyways that was that. Now yes I'm not educated on bdsm cuz it ain't my cup of tea and I'm 19. I think you don't know your limits until you cross them. Ofc this is not applying all the time and for everything but here we are shown that the uke likes very "interesting" stuff in particular which I would find over the top. So yeah what the seme did was a big too much but also he tried to make it better. He wanted to try new things. And can't he just use the word if he doesn't like the situation. Or does something happen if he uses it? I don't remember. I agree he went through a tough situation and it was horrible and the seme was in the wrong but I don't think it's that serious to cause so much hatred.

Oop didn't see this first BUT def responding~ (I tried to do it in paragraphs but its hard when there's so much to talk abt HAHA) - This long asf btw LMAO
1. I'm not entirely sure what you mean
I personally don't know the law of indencent exposure enough - but I do know that the law exists because the people who may encouter the indecent act are: a) Not consenting parties - ie didn't consent to watch b) unaware of the situation/not informed & therefore can't consent for this reason
- If you sort of think about it it isn't Grape (indecent exposure) but it is SA where I'm at (Canadaaa) BECAUSE of the non consenting parties (I'm not sure if touching the genetalia is required? but yea idk enough) & I'm pretty sure you can open an icognito tab & search it up for whereever you're at
^ Add on to that (I kinda get it now: basically it's weird to do it in public & they don't need to & the labeling it as SA was just a descriptive factor? - correct me if I'm wrong haha)
- I 100% agree with that because I feel like it's mostly for the thrill of getting caught (There is a kink where they WANT people watching them - but that can happen consesually by asking another person if they want to watch & they give their consent bc there are also voyeurs who enjoy watching etcetc). Even if it were a specific fantasy, I don't think it is fair to do that to other people LMAO & some fantasies should stay fantasies in general.
- As for the labeled as so: search up "is indecent exposure SA in Canada" you'll find many results on that
2. BDSM stories & public
- I read BJ Alex but it was a while back so my memory is quack
- I think the only public thing in BJ Alex was the cam recording/live streams? If that IS the case (if not ignore my dumbass LMAO) then those who are watching the livestreams ARE technically consenting since they are probably doing it on a site where sex gets live streamed & they have to search for that content & don't really stumbled upon it (same reason why Twitch has a TOS that regulates overly sexual behaviours because some of their audiences are minors + the people come there for MANY reasons like gaming - not like a porn site with live cams that stream... porn).
3. Bathroom stalls
- Technically depends on the place: in a mall = public area, in an establishment = private property BUT not their private property (idk specific rules for that)
- ALSO REALLL I'm ngl they lowkey hot & same with the jacket thing but I could never IRL (if I saw someone I would definetly pass away LMAO)
^ ONCE AGAIN I can separate finction from reality :( other bestie couldn't realize that
4. Education & BDSM
- I am not part of the community but I do watch reels/other info & google things because why not + I'm a lil crazy so I wouldn't MIND experimenting (ofc safely hence why I educate myself), but there are things that I already know - like I ain't gonna do anything in a public restroom LMAOOO
- Ur point is so valid (the don't know till you cross them). I think in the story man was reallly into it, but quickly got overwhelmed & well yeah - IMO testing the limits is certainly something that could be beneficial so that a Dom knows at what lvl to stop at but going hard and going fast when the TRUST isn't even there (and man mental health gone too HAHA) is probably not like big brain moment yk? There is always a build up like lego or sumn where you add more intensity to each play or something (slow burn & probably why they didn't do it with this story or yeah)).
- It definetly shows stuff about his character (like how he mentally unwell - I gotta stop saying that LMAO) and how he reacts to different situations (like his reaction is valid when he whacked him - don't condone hitting people tho LOL). But I'm glad you are aware of your limits! Many aren't & get stuck in bad situations
- I will say the aftercare def like better than most stories IMO but then again I read some whack stuff LMAO
5. SAFEWORDS
- So within the BDSM community -in general its also good to have- safeword can be words (in the name lmao), actions (like gestures - if ur tied up), and I think there are a few others? BUT essentially if one of the partners (usually for the sub cuz they in the crazy situations) says/gestures the safeword the "play" is immediately terminated. Like over over & essentially a reset. (In my perfect world basically they reset & comfort the other & when they calmed down the other asks them what triggered the safe word, etc, communication, etc, but I dream too much smH).
- Yes, he could say the safeword WHENEVER but the trick is that you don't want to abuse it either (in which case he wouldn't because he was clearly panicking). However, looking closely I was basically saying that he was MORE scared of being seen as "weak" and that the Dom would leave him because he couldn't handle this type of play & used the safeword.
^ The thing with that is another display of an unhealthy relation BECAUSE he was more fearful of being left behind than actually stopping the play. If you don't trust your partner then it's not good in general, but if you will pass your limits because of them as well, then it's even worse (imo). (Personally I also feel like the Dom should notice if something is wrong even if the safeword isn't used AND in this case he did so gold star to him LMAOO).
6. The hate we give
- So real: I only yapped in this section because everyone yelling at each other & I'm nosy like that. Love to both sides on my end (who was also expressing an opinon based with facts), but it seems like some people ain't ready for a serious debate.
- AS I said: I ain't here to throw stones, just here to watch others burn LMAO (jk but no fr some of these people - like you hehe - seem to be able to hold intellectual conversations which I'm here for since it gets my brain thinking of argument points + I get to procrastinate HAHA)

Ok so. I've read everything and I agree with everything. I literally don't even know if I have anything more to say. The thing with BJ Alex was not from himself but the other streamer. MD maybe I'm bad with names. Him and his Blondie boyfriend. I think they did some kinda play in the park. I also wouldn't ever like to do stuff in public. I mean everyone enjoy your things but for me is a no. But I just don't see it being that serious as some portrayed it to be. That's all basically. I also when I wrote the very first comment I was just curious and was trying to say my opinion but somehow that person got attacked and boom block:)) in conclusion I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY CUZ YOU SAID EVERYTHING PERFECTLY

Oh & to add to the indecent thing I think I categorized it wrong - It isn't an indecent exposure (I think - this is bc no one was flashed) but an Indecent act (bc it was a sexual act rather than exposing oneself)
^ Masturbating in publich where you are seen by at least 1 person (I mean he was seen but lowkey broke down/wasn't caught which doesn't make it any better??? That's like: I killed a man but bc no one saw me no crime was committed which is true but not true if that makes sense - not the same scale, yes ik but like the concept I'm conveying is the same)
- Illegal because of the consent + bodily fluids...
Sorry for the confusion/mistake :<

LMAOO
Yeah it's definetly not like a "hang this person" typa crime (but it certainly has it's varying degrees especially if it comes to minors/children-) & I'm suprised that everyone's head is stuck up their ass on this topic (and BDSM relation bc like?) (except u ofc like the only reasonable one rn???) but it's definetly something that should be studied
& Literally don't be deterred from commenting like some of these people are horndogs and only got sex on their mind so reasoning/arguing with them is definetly hopeless BUT I have had more good, calm encounters with good debates (where I even learned some things which is crazy) than insane fanatics like some of these people HAHA.
People internalize things too much & sometimes you just gotta let them (especially the yellers - while you can't rationalize with them it definetly taught me to keep calm & continue building points out or drop it because those are the people who are too stuck in their ways)
BUT I definetly had a pleasant interaction w you! Hopefully you continue to enjoy the story :)
^ Def readin BJ alex again tho LMAO

Me too. I had a lovely interaction with you. Thank you for enlightening me btw. Now that you mentioned kids possibly being there or seeing that it made it worse. I still have my opinion on that particular thing with it being labeled as that and what could also be considered but I totally understand your point. Ofc I'mma continue reading this. I really enjoy it so far because it's so different from other bdsm stories. It has it's flood but overall I like it. Yeah you should reread bj alex it was a pretty good one.

@didi i blocked u because the conversation was done on my end im not wasting time going back and forth with you when i know you aren’t educated enough on the subject to understand what im talking about. jesus yall take blocking people as something rude when im simply prohibiting you from bothering me.

Yu dear. From the second comm you left you said we were not sane. AND YOU STILL WANT ME TO BE NICE TO YOU? girl bye. I was not in any way disrespectful to you and I was not on your ss with the convo . You're the one that started it and I shared my point of view. And I'm not mad that you blocked me it just shows how you are. So yeah respect is a two way street

The points you made are truthful & essentially where I stand on the situation in real life (ie: sexual acts should not be done in public areas where there is a risk of someone catching you and seeing that without having consented - esp minors/children or a group because thats like +changes LMAO).
The way you vocalized that point was a little standoffish imo - meaning I took it this way since I don't know your intentions (in this case the sane comment was lowkey unnecessary especially if you want to calm discussion since it can easily be misunderstood - I also don't know your message behind it either), which usually drives tensions and well can lead arugments like this one. YOU aren't at fault for how OTHERS take what you say to heart though, but word choice can heavily influence the meaning/direction of what someone is saying, especially when this is over messages and not in person where body language could also be at play.
Hence the reason why I do small paragraphs & break things down in a debate/argument - I want to make sure that my points are clear & where I stand is clear as well so there isn't much room for intepretation or wtv (can't help some people from feeling upset tho). Also to just generally inform to see if people with open minds would consider reading it & be a little more informed (unless I am wrong - in which case I'll fully own up to).
Not here to fight you on this though so hopefully this don't blow up LMAO (unlike the other girlie who blocked me HAHA)

Reiterating one of my points from the paragraph:
Tags are very much overlooked in many cases (someone literally said they stumbled upon this and hoped for the best) which, yes to the fault of the person but let's be real - Tags aren't always accurate as well & are misleading in some cases (shoun ai & yaoi tags fr lmao)
Another issue with tags is that they aren't all self-explanatory (unlike yaoi - gay smut)
- Psychological could mean many things: psych thriller, psych manipulation, psych mystery psych like bro should be in a mental ward
- Drama can also imply a lot of things: someone trynna steal my man, I'm hiding family relations, my father beat me as a kid, you're secretly straight??
I know people will probably say "but there's separate tags for each of those" well yes & no. Psychological is generally about a crazy character OR is gonna make you think as a reader OR both (it's a shitshow). Drama is literally just conflict (of any kind). Put the two together you got crazy conflict (first point of the OG comment I can see where you may see - the miscommunications that is - this but my first points still stand - the Indencent Acts ain't no one gonna predict that shit)
In my case if I want an accurate depiction of what this story may entail I look at the comments since there's people describing what the story is/why they don't like it/why it's good - but the tags certainly can give some direction to a story but I don't think it's a predictor of everything
(Only tag I think can really be a predictor of red flags is yaoi LMAO which 99% of the stories are whack asf)

my word choice really didn’t have anything to do with it i said my peace (literally said the same points as you but it’s whatever people like to cherry pick!)and when the other party doesn’t understand or keeps repeating the same things i block and move on that simple don’t wanna argue don’t reply back the whole reason i blocked the other person was so i stop getting notifications to this comment section.

That kinda gave me hints that tj is gonna die in the begging of the chapter but then the part with Ian changed it. Cuz from my experience when they give it to you right there on the plate is not gonna happen. Showing how some characters plan on killing him is too obvi. They just be trying to play with you. When they hint something that much it's actually just mind game. Idk I may be wrong but I don't think he's actually gonna die and I really think he's gon be endgame. Who knows we'll have to see about that.

I think it's pretty mean to upload when the original uploader said they going to upload the chapters as soon as they get out and kindly asked to not upload over and people don't even give a f and just do their thing

I thought the same thing at first
But nanachi follows one of these uploaders
So I'm assuming it's either nanachi's other account or one of the other guys'
And I've also saw nanachi and bloomingdale co-upload a lot of times, so I think it's fine
But yeah, if that's not the case then it's definitely rude
Uhm how are people shipping norman with white hair. I mean none of them are much tbh. But those two got literally no chemistry. Istg me and my grilled cheese have more chemistry than these two. I also don't really like white hair. Which is ironic cuz he would be the type I would go for in other bls. But here I just find his interest I would say, for norman weird. He gives off big bro vibes. I got to the conclusion that the none of them are better is just their fans are being biased and that's ok ig.