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Lol, RIGHT

I agree with all characters except big bro. I mean come on you can't expect everyone to act in a similar way in that situation right. Maybe he was afraid of how his father would react or whether anyone would believe him and given the recent chapter and the way in which the father didn't even come to his help I wouldn't blame the big bro. Also it depends on how the society views victims of rape. So there's a lot of factors and blaming him without even considering them would be kinda wrong.

He kind of invited it. His actions led his bro down this path. To take responsibility he should stay with him.

That's sick asf. He may have agreed initially, but he didn't “invite” sh*t. Bullsh*t he “led” the little brother down that path. The little brother, who hated females, was treated nice by his older brother and developed an obsession from an early age. What, the older brother should have treated him like shit? You don't lead someone to being obsessed with or raping you. There's something in THEIR brain that's faulty. You can be bothered by the older brother's initial agreement to do sexual things before it escalated. But placing the little brother's psycho actions on him is pure victim blaming.

U are not the only one i hated everyone i thought the big brother lover was going to help him with his crazy brother but instead he left him WTF and now the only one the big brother can turn to is his crazy brother and now I'm frustrated that the big brother just taking it Σ(っ°Д °;)っ

I'm actually afraid to comment on this thread. I'll incite war if I don't pick my words correctly. But seriously???
> Senpai: He's human, too. He can get hurt and he was hurt. I don't know exactly how long he and Haruki were together but it seems he enjoyed his relationship with him and that Haruki was looking so much better, THAT Senpai forgot that he was supposed to find what the problem was, it was all supposed to be a plan to make Haruki rely on him and spill the beans. He only realized he loves Haruki when they broke up, meaning he forgot his mission because he fell in love. He got hurt because he is in love.
>Big Bro, Haruki: Please do not blame the victim. Every victim has a different way of reacting to rape. Trauma can paralyze people. And to ANON, you need to learn about "blaming the victim 101".
>Mother, Haruka: Uhm, she doesn't know that his son is a rapist? How can she conclude that his son rapes his brother just from seeing gay porn? BTW, @Giota_p, you are gay when you have sex with a man (but this is not true all the time) but I think I get what you mean. Hikaru has a major psychological problem on drawing conclusions that I don't think she could anticipate that her sexual activity would incite such behavior from Hikaru. She's just having sex, she's not a fortune teller. BUT she should've known there's something wrong with her SONS, but too dense to see it.

With all the victim blaming on Haruki it's surprising you hate Hanabusa.

As I can get by the plot, Haruka's mother let him abused by another man. I don't know why and under which circumstances this happened, but it's a fact. So yeah... she is a shit as a mother. She turned her son to be a gay... and a rapist. And if we want to see Hikaru as a victim, we have also see Haruka as a victim. If he hasn't be traumatized, he probably weren't going to be like this now.
And I can accept that we are not all the same and that every person reacts in different ways, but can on...
- The one you love (hypothetically) says that he is a rapist's victim. It's a sock, a huge sock, but as a human being, you can't just let him suffer. Even if you don't want to be with him anymore, or fuck him or whatever, you have to do something to help.
- Haruka is the old brother. Hikaru the younger one. As an adult, the first, should have to protect himself after the first time. But instead of that, he delivered over and over again to the dark side, now he is the one that let Hikaru break him in even smaller pieces. He doesn't have the will to fight for his life, from the start, and this is frustrating.
But if you think about all these a little better, the worst one is the father!!! He lives in his oooown world!!! For God's shake, man... Open your eyes and look at how shitty your family is. :p

And to be clear... I don't blame Haruka for being raped from Haruki. Come on... I never told something like this. I blame him because he choose to stay the victim here and he doesn't do anything to change the situation. After the first time, he should have take action and do something to protect himself. But at this point, he choose to destroy his life even more!!!

Just letting you know, what you just said is the textbook definition of victim blaming.

I cannot go as far as to call Haruka a shit because I've read another mother who is FAR WORSE than Haruka, if you have read Yatamomo by Harada, you would hate the mother there, she's the real shit. Haruka is actually the typical mother here who is satisfied as long as her child does well in school, attends cram school, etc. She is not actually overbearing unless the routine that she expects Hikaru to follow is ruined. Having that personality, she's not going to intentionally harm Hikaru, it would be out of her hands if Hikaru was molested. I'm not sure if Hikaru was molested by either his father or her previous partner, AS WELL, or by a woman. Could be both because 1) Haruka hinted that Hikaru had a bad experience with older women, and 2) Hikaru hinted his mother is taking away someone from him AGAIN. So you could be, at some point, right, Kashio should reveal that in the following chapters.

I'm speechless. Age has nothing to do with coping with rape. And probably, Giota_P, as much as I do not want and to avoid judging people in the world of internet, I can't help but think that maybe you have always been a strong person (good for you) or that you have always been surrounded by strong and encouraging people. You have never felt devastated and defeated in your life or have anyone close to you who went through hell. Whenever you are struggling, there are probably people to support and cheer you on. Thus, probably this is why you can't help but blame the victim, Haruki. After all, we can never know what rape feels like till it happens to us. Empathy works effectively when you have experienced the same or similar events or feelings the characters experience in the story. Without prior knowledge, understanding and empathizing to the characters would be difficult. I'm trying to understand you here, so sorry if I have offended you.

I don't think so... Blame victim is to believe that the victim wanted to be raped in the first place, and that he/she had done things to "seduce" the rapist. But it okay to have another opinion than mine! :)

I've been through a lot of shits in my life (not rape, thanks God), but as anyone else, I had difficult times. The thing is, not to have a perfect life or be strong enough to never experience something that you don't want -and you didn't cause it-, but to be strong enough to say: "I don't want my life to be so rough or shitty anymore", stand up and do your best. Hikaru is totally surrender to Haruka's wills, and this is a disaster. He is a grown up adult, with a life that he has to protect it. If you can't do it alone, and I understand it, ask for help. It's not a bad thing. And ask it from the right persons!

p.s. I have read Yamamoto and God... Harada is seriously playing with my nerves EVERY-TIME!!!

Well, good for you for having such a positive outlook in life and actually act it out and make it happen. Even if you fail, you can still find a way to be optimistic about them. Unfortunately, not everyone is like you. We don't exactly know how Haruki was raised but from his behaviour he was not raised to be a strong, empowered adult. There are expectations to adults, even more so that Haruki is a male, but it cannot also be helped that adults do not conform to that expectation.

Victim blaming is faulting the victim, in any instance, because of something they did "wrong" leading up to their victimization. Hikaru is the aggressor and the only one at fault for Haruki's rape. Saying Haruki allowed it to happen or that being the adult he should have protected himself better if he didn't want to get raped is victim blaming. He IS a victim, at no point did he "choose" to be a victim.

Haruki's behavior is actually a very realistic portrayal of a rape victim. He did try to get out of the situation but Hikaru overpowered him, which broke Haruki mentally. The manga also gives some social factors that make Haruki reluctant to get help. He trusted Hanabusa to help him but that didn't work out so he no longer trusts anyone to help him. Knowing a bit about threat and stress responding as well as some long term effects of trauma would help you understand Haruki's behavior.

He choose to stay a victim! But this is my opinion. I'm not trying to make you change your mind.
And overall... Hanadusa is a JERK that only cares about how he feels! All his problem is that Haruki fucked with his raper before going to see him, and not that the man that he likes (?) or maybe be in love with, is abusing and raping and all these shits.
I hope that Haruki is going to find a way to be himself again, stay away from both Haruka and Hanabusa, and be a brave, strong man that leaves the past in the past, and only look forward.

I agree with Jaz. When you say someone "chooses" to continue something, it's not just the physical aspect of it, of rape, but it is also what the mind is thinks. In Haruki's case, he wants an end to all of it.

I've also had this theory, since forever, that those people who have difficulty to give their trust even to the closest people in their lives and those who have weak personalities have experienced being betrayed, big or small, by an adult when they were younger and/or has always disappointed adults for not meeting expectations, thus lacking in self-confidence and esteem. Even though Haruki is so close with Hanabusa, he couldn't disclose anything to him, he does not truly trust Hanabusa and is afraid of disappointing him. Same goes with Haruki's dad, who cannot accept disappointment when Haruki resigned from work.

"Being an adult" differs from one person to another because every person takes their own pace in mental, social and personality development, it is not only true for infants and kids. True there are ideal accomplishments in each age level but it varies from one individual to another. Haruki seems like he hasn't reached the stage where he is confident in being an adult and exercise on being one.

The reason I said it was surprising you hate Hanabusa because your reasoning for blaming Haruki isn't much different than the reasoning Hanabusa had. In your first post you said why did Haruki behave that way. I figured you were more open-minded to understanding the psychology behind Haruki's behavior.

But Hanabusa does not have a fucking idea that Haruki is being raped nor that Haruki does not like the guy he just had sex with. Yes, I agree that Hanabusa should have pried more to find out who that guy was, or whether Haruki loved the guy he had sex with before calling it quits BUT at that point, Hanabusa already loves Haruki and, of course like any human would feel, was hurt that Haruki cheated on him. I think it is also important to note that since he and Haruki started dating, Haruki looked so much better and can fake whatever problem he's having. So Hanabusa forgot why he even started dating with Haruki, to find out what happened after that vacation. He was actually shocked when he saw the Haruki from before but too overwhelmed with his own emotions to figure out what to do.
It's also frustrating when someone does not trust you whatsoever to confide and ask help from you after all the time you've spent together, thus clouding his instincts on Haruki's behavior.

Haruki now starts again to want to escape from this situation. And I hope that he can do it. As for Hanadusa... Haruki didn't cheat on him. He was raped by another man, and as long as he likes Haruki, he should have the calm to see this as a violated event, as it is, and not as a good time sex.
Anyway, I don't believe that Hanabusa is going to be part of this story ever again. He had his chance and he screw it!!! Furthermore, Haruki deserve to be with someone who can understand and love him completely.

You know Haruki wasn't cheating because you are the reader but Hanabusa doesn't know that. From his perspective, Haruki cheated on him. Hanabusa tried to ask Haruki to give more details, explain himself but Haruki just wouldn't speak. Hanabusa got angry, why? Because Haruki never trusted him and with that anger, he was not able to think about the situation properly. I know this is fiction so we are finding/expecting characters who would do what is ideal for the situation, but the characters are written as real as they can get, thus they are flawed. Haruki is not the only character entitled to feel hurt. Yes, he screwed it up but he is the only character who genuinely cares for Haruki.

I have a bad feeling this story going to end with the big brother and the little brother together which will be a very f-up ending or unless one of them die ( hopefully the little brother)

I have this feeling too, but I don't want to see an end like this! :/
They both need help and they have to ask for it!!!

I don't think, Sangwoo is regretting a thing. He planned the whole thing.- brainwashing and breaking Bum. Flirting with a girl in front of Bum, people looking down at Bum, having sex in front of Bum -> Bum falling right into Sangwoo's web. Now there's no where left to run. They're both killers and Sangwoo has Bum in the palm of his hand.

So now they can be together forever...sangwoo said it twice I think. At the same time I keep thinking that Bum does everything in order to live so where does this all end up? I'm really excited about the next season.

So now they can be together forever...sangwoo said it twice I think. At the same time I keep thinking that Bum does everything in order to live so where does this all end up? I'm really excited about the next season.

I don't think that either!!! Sangwoo is really lonely inside so, in the Bum, he found someone similar to him, someone that loves him anyway, and he wants to make sure that Bum is never gonna leave him -as everyone else, even if he killed them!
Sangwoo set up the whole situation to "awake" Bum and make him join the dark side once and for all. Bum was "break" inside a long time ago and Sangwoo knows that. And he knows how to play with Bum's mind!
The only sure thing is that this story is excellent and that all this, is not going to have a good end!

Your opinions/expressions about the fictional characters don't necessarily relfect your whole being. Don't let it ruin your life, you need to set some boundaries perhaps. Don't worry it doesnt make you a bad person. :)

Yeah, I know! I'm just kidding!!! :p
Also, I have to raise my son, so I have to keep my logics for the next 10 years, until he becomes an adult! Hahaha!!!

i had to turn off multiple pages option because i could only see the first page (in any manga)

Same here. I thought it got uploaded wrong. A bunch of the other updates are like that too. Don't know.

Yup that works. Take off multiple pages.

Yeap! You are right!!! Thank you!!! I was panicked for a few moments!!! Hahaha!!!

Ei wouldn't do that out of revenge. It took him a long time to court Jin. He's not putting that all on the line for a 'gotcha moment.'

I think I read somewhere that Ei did sleep with Angelo, but there was never any feelings of love.That he only did it because Ei was in love with Jin and that Angelo had a similar build to him. But don't quote me on it.

Yeap, I read about that too. But let me have my hopes that it's not true. Hahaha!!!
Also, I believe that sleep with a person just because he looks similar to the one you have o crash on is just... stupid!!! Don't misunderstand me... I love Ei, and Jin made a terrible mistake at the past, but he had the pressure of his family (and he was very young...)

I understand what you are saying, but let me have my hopes up! :p
Also... If we go back to the previous manga, Ei was a little bit cruel with Jin (and I get it) so, he can also say something just to hurt him, because he feels awkward about how their relationship goes with the flue of the events allover (I don't know if anybody understand what I'm saying but I am on delirium state... hahaha!!!)
And we do and say awful things -sometimes- when we are in love and we feel hurt or angry...

Totally, that's just stupid and gross. I don't have any problem with him hooking up sometimes for releasing.

lol Well I mean, if you can't have the one you love, some people will settle for the next best thing.I know that Jin had the pressure of his family and he ended up hurting Ei but what was Ei supposed to do? Not sleep or date anyone else for the rest of his life? lol Well it all works out in the end based on the raws I saw :)

I believe that it was a wrong choice to hook up, even at the past, with Angelo, because he is a little bit "part of the family", if you get me. He should fucked someone else, and I get it, but not him.

No... I don't mean that Ei should stay forever alone, without any partner or lover or whatever, but I believe that was the worst choce because he is a friend of the family and this reveal is making the thinks a little bit... awkward!!! I think that it was going to be a better choice to have a lover outside the circle of Jin's family and friends. :)

?? But Angelo wasn't family or a friend of Jin's. Jin didn't even know who he was.He only remembered him because he saw him leave Ei's room several times. I think that Angelo was born into a rich and influential family and that's why he was set to be engaged to Jin's cousin Sara by their families. But I don't think Angelo or Jin were friends, maybe acquaintances. Also, I think they all met in a private rich school setting. That's how Ei was able to sleep with Angelo in the dorms. Or did I miss something?

Their families have some kind of connection, as all rich people I think. :p
The point is that they know each other since they were kids and it's a little bit difficult to accept that the one you love slept with someone else you know. I don't blame Ei for having a lover, it's natural, but at that time, he just didn't express his feeling (Jin married several years later). If he was more honest, maybe -just maybe- Jin's decisions were different.

Again, Jin did not know who Angelo was, so I doubt that they played with each other when they were young.Like Jin had no idea who Angelo was at any point until he saw him leave Ei's room. Jin had no idea who Angelo was until Ei told him that his name was Angelo. They all went to the same school and that was it. Jin is mad because Ei slept with another man and that Jin wasn't his first man. Also it even states that Jin knew that Ei was in love with him when they were young and yet he still married a woman and had a child. So Jin had the option to be with Ei but he chose not to and instead married a woman lol So it's Jin's fault for not taking action, but then again he was in a difficult position.

Ok... I get what you mean but still it was a taught situation for Jin to act with free will. He had a lot of family issues and Ei has a lot of complex himself. The point is that both of them have to leave the past were it belongs! To the past, and move on together and have a perfect life together, and not get on our nerves. LOL!!!

Hahaha Yeah,I agree. Based on the chapter 4 raws I think they make up lol So it works out in the end and hopefully we get to see more lovey dovey scenes (:

Yeap! I read that shit too!!! Blowjobs is the solution to any problem... sometimes!!! Hahaha!!!

He knew who Angelo was, he was just too innocent to know what was goin on in the past when he saw Angelo coming out of Ei's room several times. (See first manga extra chapter)

In chapter 4, Angelo was after him but he didn't respond to the letter. He wanted what Jin has if he can't have him (which is Ei) and Ei did it prolly not just coz they have the same physique but to also keep him away from Jin. Jin is probably blaming himself in chapter 3 because of shock and late realization. He felt robbed of what he could have had in the past but he felt he doesnt have the right since he married and had a kid.

In chapter 4.5 of Fukigen Kareshi no Nadamekata, Ei is reminiscing about the past. He said he wasn't surprised that Jin didn't have many friends because of how he (Ei) acts. He was an unreacheable "princess" ad people try to get close to him through Ei. Of course, Ei blocked them. Even though they're not in a relationship he is very possesive of Jin. Ei is no saint really. Even if he sleeps with everyone he still didnt have the right to try to keep Jin to himself. I don't get why people blame Jin when this shit happened way early before he even got married.

I just thought the same things.
Also, Ei's said that Angelo was going after Jin so he hooked up with him in the terms of a love "blackmail", if you get what I mean.
"I 'll stop thought of fucking Jin, if you fuck me", or something like that I gues... :p

Both of the them are egoists and egocentrics in their own way!
Ei should have told Jin about his feelings, not letting him guess.
Jin should have say "no" to a marriage that he didn't want.
They both made a lot of mistakes and they have to grow up and get over those shits!

Yeah, we were talking about a different aspect involving the relationship between Jin and Angelo.My point was that Jin was not close to Angelo, in terms of friendship or family relationship.More acquaintances. Also, someone mentioned that Ei said one of the reasons was because they had a similar build and that's why he slept with Angelo. The thing where he did it to keep Angelo away from Jin is also plausible, but we won't know about both things until the next chapter. Also, it states that Jin knew that Angelo was in love with him when they were younger, yet he didn't give up his position to marry a girl. But anyways, I'm pretty sure both feel guilty for their actions, but the past is the past and based on the raws they make up in the end.