I only pray for Tomioka. I know that the trio and nezuko will survive, Tomioka I WON'T SURVIVE.
People : THIS IS FUCKING HOT
Other people : THIS IS FUCKING ILLEGAL
Me : YOU ARE FUCKING ANNOYING.
That's all for me.
Love you Guys.
I love how some people (who think certainly be more intelligent than us) "why are u so chocked ?" But... Guys ... This is a RAPE. What are u waiting ? That people claps their hands saying YES A RAPE THAT'S SO COOL !! HAHAHAHA with a big smile on their face ?
"Why are you shocked ?"
Are u serious ? Why AREN'T YOU schocked ? THAT'S the question.
It makes me laugh "That's a fiction" ... Yes genious, it's not like everyone noticed this -_- ...
People must stop to be naive : fiction has a link with reality. When there are rape, murder, crime or anything, it's completely normal to be shocked, angry etc.. That's YOU who aren't sane to not react at this scene like a human.
And people STOP to think because you criticizes it's because you don't like the Yaoi ... NO. I criticize because Seughoo is just a fucking asshole and that it's really tiring to see a character that I live being raped ALL THE FUCKING TIMES.
That's all.
It's RAAAAH it's annoying all this people who think be superior with "why are u so shocked" "if you don't like it don't read" ... Are u insane ? XD because I said there are rape I would shut my mouth because "I don't like it" .. I must ignore the fac that there a rape ??? ... Ok I'm angry, I'm an angry woman right there **-**
anwering the question "why arent you shocked?", in my experience, iv been in the community for a really long time and iv seen almost everything this genre has to offer and honestly as time goes on you kinda just become numb with these stuff ╮(￣▽￣)╭ no im not insane, i dont think most of the peeps here are either. Yea im mad at the ML for raping our boy here and i think the boy should just run for it but ik these are factors that are needed for the plot to actually MOVE. If it goes bad, cool, if it becomes good, okay i guess.
(And no, imo, fiction isnt connected with reality. Thats why its called fiction in the first place.)
But i highkey agree with the whole "seunghoo is an ass and im angry" mood lmao
Well, I watched a lot of Japanese porn, gay and straight, and they have a lot of Rape Scenario, so nope I'm not shocked. And beside every Yaoi I read has a rape scene in it (I don't read shounen ai so), but they sugar coated it, just take a look at Viewfinder and Hidouko Shinaide and so many more, they in the top list for decade before Korean BL manhwa craze, but I wonder why many people isn't bothered by it? maybe because unlike this manhwa where the uke actually crying and scared while being raped, but on those Yaoi the uke shaking their hips and then fall in love and bla bla blah blah.
And FYI, in real life I got real mad when I heard the news when people being raped, man or woman, and if I was a Doctor I wouldn't mind to do the chemical castrated on the rapist since all the doctors in my country refused to do so because human rights or whatever even though the law permitted it.
One of my friend got raped a while ago and before that, I used to read manga with rape without even thinking about. But now I realize how sickening rape is. Yes, people are shock and have the right and reasons to be.
i mean i think i understand a bit of those people who don't compare fiction to reality but like,, at least try not to enjoy this kind of thing in a romantical or sexual way?? thats just fucked up big way in my opinion
That's not a question, I'm not shocked me too, I just denounce some people who seem "surprise" to see people schoked or angry ... and personally I found that the shock is totally normal, and me if I'm not shocked it's because I'm used to see this, I saw worst things in my life, but I don't blame people who are schoked for this manhwa because Rape is not normal even in a fiction.
And whatever we say fiction is a sort of mirror of reality. Reality give us inspiration, influence, and ideas to write, draw a fiction. Even it's not real, it give messages, something about reality. Believe that fiction is completely separate to reality is just ignore something that is real : Fiction influence us, and give something to us personnaly, this has an impact on us, we are sad, enthusiastic... It's because fiction has a link with reality, with us and our world.
You're like me and a lot of person, we are used to this. I read a lot shocking things (mainly Yaoi) with rape, blood... But I'm sort of bothered or even desesperated by this Uke rape, rape and... Rape.. over and over... It's just... I finished to stop to have emotions, or anything... While I should be. I wanted say that I don't care people who say they aren't shocked but some people seems "surprised" "annoyed" that other people are : schoked or angry, while it's totally normal. I denonced that people. You are not schoked ok, but say literally "It's useless to be schoked" is just stupid for me.
I'm sorry for your friend and I hope she/he will be fine in the future, I wish love and peace for her/him.
After, We have all a sort of "illegal" taste in our deep self, a sort of "hidden desire" it's a fiction, so people have the right to like it, because they express their honesty you can watch this manhwa and wait the next saying "I don't like it". It's more honest to see, yeah I like it, but they must say in same time, yes, it's really bad and Na is suffering. Just, not be blind by excitation or the illusion of the fiction.
i see. i am not telling anyone that they cant be shocked or anything, sorry if it got delivered that way @_@
when i said fic isnt connected with reality, the point i was making was these characters arent real. You dont generally think much of inanimate beings. Yes the event is real, and u could be influenced by it, it does mirror things but Seungho isnt a real person. My reaction to rape and sexual harrassment would be very much different if this were a real person.
gbhjricbwe i felt like explaining myself since its been bothering me since this morning U_U i hope i delivered my words right,,,,
I got your point. Ironically in real life events, when there is a case where a woman got molested, raped, there is a lot of people who say 'Oh it must feel good', 'oh you must enjoy it so much that it took years for you to report it', 'oh look at those dress, she was asking to be raped' and blah blah blah, I read those not only on online social media but I heard it loud and clear and the person who say that was a woman for god sake. How nice it would be if these people who spend their energy getting angry over fictional character would also do to the same in real life, but sad thing is the rape victims not only they have to suffer from the trauma but they also got blamed and scorned by society, labeled as 'DIRTY', and this is a fact.
I didn't say you particularly ^^ don't worry. I wanted that my idea and opinion be clear.
Yeah, that's right people who can be "in love" with Seungho in real life will be schoked and angry, and they don't encourage... (I don't know how to say that in English sorry my first language is not English xD) people who love this Yaoi aren't agree for rape or anything. I understand this, however some are.. sort of ... Admiration, or take this like a normal relation ship, you can like this, but they just have to remember that this is a rape and violent relation ... That's just my opinion haha
Don't worry I clearly understood you, me I hope you understand my words because I'm not an English speaker fluently (not yet, It's quite difficult to practice because I'm in another country)
Yes I'm totally agry, this reaction must be more intense in reality. That's a problem in fact because people don't really react or don't react at all ... However, I found that people who are angry are right, and we can't judge them to be angry, I wanted say that, Schoked or not, personaly even me, I'm not schoked, but angry yes because I really love NK, I'm attached at this character and this is really tiring to see him suffer x)
I agree with you on that and dw i also understood what ur saying uwu
All of you talk about love but... Even with reading chapter 30, I don't see any differences between Seughoo/ Jihwa and Seughoo/Jihwa... Except that Na is raped and innocent, I don't see any love, just sezual desire -_- ... I think a lot of you are dreaming. Perhaps Seughoo is "interested" but love ? Sorry but when you have a million possibilities to care about someone you love and that you don't take them ... It's not be in love, it's just be fond of sex and Na is just a new innocent toy.
Hes a lot like bj alex before he calmed the f down lol. Dude was mean and forced double penetration (LOVE that manhwa) but he reminds me sooo much of jjwons character
I totally get people shipping them in that fucked up harada way but I still am baffled by the idea of actual romance. I do think that Seungho has some twisted infatuation beyond the physical w/ Nakyum but the author just seems to not be going down the traditional yaoi path lol. I think people are soft on Seungho and soften him up but he's a hardcore dude who is just as horrible as Inshit is. It's almost like they don't want to accept Seungho for who he is.
One thing must be clear guys : THIS IS RAPE. ok ? We can like this manhwa, like this characters, like this scene but it will NOT change the situation. This guy make love to a DRUNK man. Fiction or not, accept the reality of this scene. Accept that you love watch this and STOP saying : He love him, so it wasn't rape. Hosik in love or IS NOT in his right mind, he CAN'T do anything than follow, Sunbae know PERFECTLY that, it was his reponsability to wait that Hosik be NOT drunk to confess and WAIT for his response. He didn't, for me it's a negative message, but I respect that you like it and the story.
But Hosik when He wake up, DOESN'T EVEN REMEMBER what's happened. It's pitiful from you to dare say it's wasn't a rape. This is a fiction, we don't have to be so shocked it's not real but ignore the reality that the author is showing it's to be stupid and ignorant.
Accept what you like read and watch but fiction or not, romance or not, cute or not, a man made love to a DRUNK man so HERE it's A RAPE. I repeat that it's your right to like this, to like this story or anything about this work. We must accept opinion of each other, negative or not, but PLEASE don't say "He loves him it's not a rape'. It really made me sad and angry because even it's a fiction this situation is real in the world, so it's not a game, because somewhere a work has a message and represent our society and if you ignore that it's a rape you're just a bad readers who don't accept reality.
Thanks for your attention, sorry for the mistakes.
Agree. To know that men like Sunbae actually exist in the society and people are OK with them (or even find them attractive) kinda scares me.
I agree with you and it was kinda weird since the start but i dont think the auther meant it that way because if you saw the raws ****(spoiler *kinda*) ******** you can see it as if ugh idk the black haired guy was holding onto hosik and trying to make him his with all of his power as if he was correcting his mistakes from the past knowing that he must awaken hosik's feelings towards him whatever it takes , yet this is rape no matter how you look at it but the auther tried to give hints that hosik took a liking to the black haired guy (not in a romantic way but in a restpecting way ig ) but he didnt give it too much thought like he wasnt trying to get involved with him, yet the black haired guy forced his feelings on hosik and hosik was left with no choice because he is way too kind hearted , yet u know that the black haired guy wasnt trying to force hosik like he would apologise to hosik if hosik really got angry with him and freaked out and cancel the whole story , u can say that u can see these things in reality like how some people get married suddenly and then try to love their partners after marriage . This is kinda weird but because hosik and the balck haired guy were so understandable with themselves and with each other they manged to work things out even though hosik was planning on his life and the black haired guy blew it all with getting him pregnant and not lettling him live the life he planned , yet his life wasnt compeletly ruined , yet ughhh hosik was crying in the shower after he knew what happened between him and his sunbae and u can the the guilty the sunbae had beacuse of what he did , but if hosik wasnt too kind hearted his sunbae woul've backed out from hosik's life continuing his life with guilt .
Sry for mistakes too , tell me if there's somthing wrong ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
This fucking manhwa give me stress EACH WEEK ;-; in my school all people are like "YEAH IT'S FRIDAY" and you have : me : "hahahaha. *Think about painter of the night future update*..... I'm gonna kill meeeeee"
It's time to show my genious in analysis (⌒▽⌒)
Sorry for mistakes english isn't my language.
SPOILER.
Okay. I'm gonna give my toughs about this manhwa and my analysis because I'm very curious.
First, Na-Kyum and Yoon.
So, I have detected a lot of thing. Yoon really sucks at love, sorry but it's catastrophic. I think that both protagonists are built throughout the Ying and Yang, they represent the complementarity at the extreme. Na-Kyum is pure, innocent and really love someone, he knows affection but is really ignorant at sex while Yoon it is the complete opposed: he represents lust, do not know anything at love and ... he is really violent, perverted. If you know the color code, the Yoon's dress (you know his green dress) and green is know to represent greed (in sex), sex and even devil. While pink who is Na-Kyum's color represent love, romanticism, purity and eroticism, it's make sense when Jihwa reproach to Na-Kyum
his seductive youth, his beauty and his eroticism, that's exactly the symbols of his pink clothe. Na-Kyum wear Yoon's clothes (the green dress) There are two possibilities: 1) The purity of Na-Kyum is taken by Yoon 2) It's a pact with the devil, Na Kyum, wearing this green dress, has already agreed with the rule, and if he agrees to obey him, this will be definitively signed.
Then, there is another element that caught my attention: The hair. Like we see, Yoon is used to touching Na-Kyum's hair especially by playing with his headband. This express Na-Kyum's sensuality and Yoon's desire of domination and sex. Hair expresses sexuality, feminity and sensuality. Yoon has ... Long hair. So, it 's surprise me it' s when it 's getting better. Compared to him, Jihwa has always been destroyed by activities, but it is often touched by Yoon who mess up his hair. Aim, hair's Yoon, we do not even see a single strand of hair get out.
If we see in origins long hair represent virility but also sexuality (especially with women) but I find a theory more interesting, and I don’t know if this hypothesis will be confirmed in the future. I think that the hair represent Yoon in his true feelings. I explain me, even during sex which is a very intimate part of his life, he wears his headband. I think in future, more Yoon will fall in love with Na-Kyum more he will let out his hair, who represent a sort of control not a control of his pulsions, but a control of love, of real feeling. For that moment, Yoon’s hairtyle is still really strict because, he is always in a moment of questions he doesn’t really understand what’s happening in himself.
It’s make a good transition : Yoon’s and Na-kyum’s feeling. I don’t really think that Yoon fell in love during this night, this is too quick. BUT, I think it’s a beginning, “the awakening”. The night with Na-kyum impacted him deeply. I was really surprised in the last chapter if you see the yoon’s memory it’s correspond at two sentences that Na-Kyum said “My lord, I’m cumming” and “I’m so happy, my heart is so full”.
Because “lord” is how Na-Kyum call him in reality. In the act, Na-Kyum doesn’t understand (he was drunk so…) but Yoon inversed the situation, he mades Na-Kyum called him not this teacher, him. I think that it’s precisely this thant Yoon doesn’t understand and why he is so confused, it’s represent his dilemma : people are constantly so easily seduced by him, he has everything he wants, and in a way making love with Na-Kyum, he thought he got what he wanted. But there are problems 1) first, he realizes that this night was not enough for him, that he is still attracted to this painter 2) Then Na-kyum constantly rejects his physical advances while he is (like the other) attracted by him physically but not in his heart, and this is what Yoon doesn’t understand also 3) and last point, even Na-Kyum call his “name” (Lord) and “””accepted””” to make love with him, he discovered that it’s wasn’t sufficient. Na-Kym in reality didn’t accept anything, he was forced by him and I think Yoon lie to himself because he knows, he knows that reality will be extremely hurting (Like: I raped the only person that I can potentially love).I think that Yoon is in the illusion that it’s enough that Na-Kyum agrees to sleep with him, to give him a blowjob, to call him “lord” while they make love to be satisfied with this lack of that painful thing he feels in his heart.
However, I don’t thint, It will be enough : he is feeling greed, jalousy, possessivity … It’s clearly an obsession, not love, he is searching something, something that Na-kyum give him even it was not his intention and this thing is called : affection. A real feeling for his, just for him, a strong and adorable feeling.
I don’t understand person who love Yoon : guy, he raped Na-kym that you
whether you like it or not he did something very bad, Na-kyum deverses apologies etc...
I was sincerely very surprised that he run away ! I probably think it's the teacher or other person who pushed him to leave. Seing the way he protected In-hun, He wouldn't risk the life of his teacher. Even if we don't like this man, Na-kyum chooses him, he deeply loves him. If he discovers his real face or if he is dead by Yoon's hand : he will be destroyed. Because his heart will be totally destroyed. It's really sad for this little boy who just want live his own life. With Yoon I'm sorry it"s a bird in his cage, he treats him like a object and just because Yoon probably have a dark past or don't understand Na-Kyum's logic doesn't give an excuse for his act. Run away was for me THE solution. Yoon would have never let Na-Kyum go, he would have act like he always act : violently and like he wants. I prefer personnaly die running away for MY freedom that living with my rapist who do with me whatever he wants. It's a torture. Na-kyum was living a torture, it's just acuse, rape, violence, he smashed his noze against a fucking floor like an animal, HE WAS FUCKING BLEEDING. I'm used to see forced sex, forced relation, it's really common in yaoi, I know it's a fiction. I like this manhwa for his art, his historical aspect and Na-Kyum, but I WILL NEVER be like "oooh so cute" with Na-Kyum and Yoon if in futur they act like lover, because I would remember this night where Yoon make cry Na-Kyum, where Yoon make blind this boy. (metaphorically and physically). It's a fiction, but don't forget that criticism is necessary.
bleed* ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Some interesting points.
I don't think that Seungho really intented to kill In Hun in chap27 when he went to grab the sword and threatened to kill the teacher; he just did this to obtain more sex with NK.
The same way, it is unlikely that Seungho will kill In Hun out of anger or impulsion, the Lord is more intelligent, manipulative than that and may play the long route to obtain the favors of NK. If he kills In Hun, like you told, Nakyum will be destroy and hate him forever, and the Lord may want to confront NK to the real face of In Hun.
About your last paragraph, I understand that people are disguted by Yoon and all the things he did to NK, though I personally wouldn’t mind to see them becoming lovers in the end or a strong bond linking them, this story is about them indeed, but it depends on Author's talent to make it possible and plausible. Love can come in many forms and shapes, and seeing how different are the protagonists, it'll take a lot of struggles and suffering before something ressemblant to love can emerge from them. In their case, it's even more difficult because both are also, in a way, denial and clueless about any attraction or more that may link them -especially NK since he's so into his teach to the point of blindness.
Love isn't always coming as romantic, beautiful and lovey-dovey for everyone.
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I really find your analysis very interesting, specially the part about the hair. If you notice in chap 21, were the painter is resting on Yoon's shoulder, you can see that Yoon's hair is a little messy.
Cute. Just the baby. After... That's so creepy. Ew. Romanticism and rape... Tch.
I'm surprised you're still reading
Me too.
I'm sorry but... Just... The seme's behaviour ... more I'm reading, more I can't bear his manners to be... So...raaaaah he is just stalking his husband, just Hosik didn't wa t to marry, he is afraid to be... Pregnant ... No contraception.... Raaah
If it bothers you so much, why are you reading? Like it’s really so simple... If you don’t enjoy the story read sum else and stop leaving a negative impact nobody forced u to continue reading.
Criticism is not a useless. If you did a work positive comments are ok but also negative comments, because it's judge your work and if it's bad, give bad ideas, bad things, it's the right of everyone to say that. It's just hypocrisy to say "don't read that". I read that. And I find valors, ideas really nefast. Ignore this is just close your eyes and continue your way just let the positive attitude say "yes that's good behaviour of this man". I have the right to say "that's not good" and if people don't see the problem, and don't have negative they are just blinded by ignorance or don't ask themself questions. You have the right to like this but just says "it's too cool, too cute" without negative point is just not to be realistic.
Imagine ppl attacking you because they feel such a strong nd to protect a rapists. I now see why ppl like Harvey Weinstein got away with it
Chapter 27.
All people : OMG ... Poor Na-Kyum
No one beside me : But... Na-Kyum wears Yoon's clothe... Bruh ..........
(For curious it's the same clothe that wear Yoon when he attacked Na-Kyum for the first time, and on the painting that Na-Kyum did with Yoon and him self. I'm genius. I know).
Plot twist! Nakyum is Seungho! He has a split personality disorder. HAHA jokes on you...
MY LIFE IS A LIE
My reaction if someone is WITH ME in MY bed : OSOWJSOWKWNDJWOWLXMNSKABSJNWHSJWKQNSSJWKWJSJKSKWN !!!!!!!
HAHAHA !! same ╥﹏╥