I don't get the hate for the redheaded woman...? Yes, she's causing drama between Wonwoo and YGY, but it's not like she was doing that on purpose. She isn't after YGY as a romantic partner. She's just 1) getting back at him for being silent back while she was on the receiving end of a brutal, misogynistic smear campaign and 2) trying to make a strategic business move. It's not her fault that YGY and Wonwoo have communication problems.
Also... the level of internalized misogyny among BL fans is pretty alarming. Female characters immediately get called all kinds of names in these comment sections. I know people get annoyed by male antagonists too, but the sheer hatred towards female characters is honestly pretty gross. And calling THIS particular character a bitch is a stretch. (Unless you're calling her a bad bitch, because she is definitely that)
same, 've got nothing against the translator but their comments and words of insult like "hoe" is making a huge impact on the misogynistic mindset thats building up in the bl community, especially here in mangago.
sooo trueeee!! her situation was obviously explained, even if she is bitchy—she deserves and had the right to be!
Same. I usually like the translator notes, but sometimes their unnecessary misogyny towards newly introduced female characters is wayyy off. Like, Reddie here absolutely has every right to be pissed off at Yoon and actually ruin him now that she can, but she is literally just here for work. The fact that she is still offering to help him get a promotion speaks a lot for her character.
She literally said she has married the love of her life and moved on, so why do fans think she wants any part of this grumpy tantrum-throwing manchild?
Ah yes, meeting in a hotel room instead of a restaurant (even a Japanese one, those have private rooms)... Smh. She obviously made the decision to meet him there, obviously calling for a scandal, purposefully or not. She not even a whore, she's a dumbass. If she married and loves her husband, then ACT married and in love. Her little revenge (if it even IS that) is stupid. Its been what? 5 years, no one even remembers it. No one even talked about it untill she went to his room. Smh. Stop acting like a martyr. (Of course, the author made her do those things to make her hateable. So what's wrong with hating her when that was the intention?)
And just so you know, even men in yaois are called whores, not just women. In a regular shojo, this isn't new, any girl that isn't a nice friend is hated for loving the ML too, its just how they are created: to be hated. Don't blame just the bl community.
Also, I don't want replies.... ( ￣へ￣）
I don’t like her. One don’t care for her. If she was that hurt by the campaign she wouldn’t want to even look at him yet she wants to work with him. And let’s not act like he too wouldn’t have gotten hate for the affair campaign. The campaign was stupid yes. But both sides suffered so why is she acting like she’s the only one who has it bad? And she’s trying to use him as a stool to succeed in sports management. She’s not exactly likable no matter how you view her. And what’s with reminiscing about the past and touching him when she knows he hates her
youre acting as if a man and a woman cant walk in a private room and JUST TALK??? like maybe??? what do you want? for her to bring up her husband all the time she could? thats not love, that would be obsession. no one remembers it? when LITERALLY she just said that MEDIA PAINTED HER LIKE A WITCH and if no one remembered it, then people wouldnt make a big deal when she meets with people. AND even if no one remembered, you cant decide for a way a person would want to take revenge. they were hurt, they were forced to hide and take all the blame WHEN LITERALLY A MAN IS BEING PRAISED, YET AGAIN. the seme was painted, as well, to be abnoxious and a cold hearted bitch, SO Why arent y'all hating on him???? because HE'S A MAN. you can use him to your advantage and fetishize. y'all go SO MANY WAYS to justify your misogny at this point SMFH
LOL you're blind if you think any woman shown isnt HATED AS SOON AS THEY ARE REVEALED. reasonable if they hated her with context, but look back to when the woman was just walking to the hotel room, AND SEE FOR YOURSELF that hatred she receives just because she breathe the same air as your lovely seme.
dont blame the bl community WHEN LITERALLY Y'ALL ARE TO BE BLAMED FOR A LOT OF THINGS, not just misogyny towards women. YOU ALSO FETISHIZE GAY MEN, like me. and if you dont believe me, look back again to past chapter replies.
idc if u dont like replies, you were ignorant in your reply, TAKE THE CONSEQUENCE OF BEING IGNORANT.
because maybe she hates him as well? thats why she's trying to get into his skin??? JUST MAYBE??? and like she said, in the business industry, allies can be enemies and enemies can be allies. she obviously hates her and she's trying to stir a pot, a hot one, in his career. i'd say the attention she's getting and the statement she said regarding not talking unless her and her company do is a plan to make the seme, join and agree with whatever they were dealing with, bysiness wise.
and like she said, she wants revenge. not everyone stays for long in hiding, even with fear. like how not every bullied people hides in fear with their bullies.
Nah the amount of hate she gets ain't normal. She never said she was the only one who had it bad. And honestly I get why she gets the hate, because she made (thnks to auhtor) the misunderstanding between the main couple. But still author clearly showed that both people are at fault.
What I don't understand is why is everyone calling her a bitch and nobody talking about how the guy is a bastard? Because (I had issues understanding this part at first) but she clearly said that had he talked about the issue none of that drama would have gone so far. My first reaction was: ah this guy is still a bastard, can't change that.
And yet everyone is like: what a bitch!
Also regarding the 2nd comment up.
'It's been 5 years nobody remembers?'Lmao of course she still remembers she had to live with it. The fact that she still does business proves how much of a bad bich she is because that kind of scandal ruins women's careers, so yeah she can be angry.
Yeah it's a bl manhwa and stuff but damn that kind of mindset is so disgusting.
Just because it's a manga it's okay to spread hate on a female character even before we even know her name.
And yes men also gets hate because we know they will bring drama, jealousy' etc. But the amount ainmt the same, it's not as immediate and there will always be shippers that will like them. Or most people will go 'you are hot so it's fine/i still like you'
I don't blame the bl community in particular, I blame all people that participate in the mysoginistic stereotypes in the BL world, be it authors, translators or readers.
I'm especially harsh now in ot because I have seen wonderful bl stories with good female characters. No, bad female characters don't necessarily come hand into hand with bl stories, authors do it. Abd readers don't have to spread hate at the first hint of a woman. I have read so many stories that comments have ruined for me because of unnecessary hate on great characters. It was not about them not liking the chara, it was because they were women.
Ps: I totally agree with the touching him, how does she DARE touch him.
Dude, don't get ur panties in a bunch. And I mean that in a really good way. I too agree with literally everything you said. And if it were 5 years ago, I'd be right beside you yelling at them, but now that I'm older (I'll be 32 TOMORROW. Woohoo!! And yes I read BL, SO WHAT?), I've learnt that no matter how much u cry and tell and argue and fight, it's not gonna make a difference.
They'll keep trying to make excuses and justify toxic behaviour of their favs (be it real or fictional) and hate on women because they are the easy target... and everyone (literature, dramas, media etc) pushes that narrative that women are either villains or heros who basically control the poor men (in bl community, uke are the "women" while seme are "men" so it doesn't really change a shit).
For eg, here, u have people telling u it's fine to hate on her, a fictional character, because that's what the author intended, when the author literally did no such thing. The author merely introduced a female who walked into a room with the seme, and uke, who already had a bad relationship with him, assumed things, even before the paps made that affair rumour. But seme and uke are precious beans, so of course they need to be protected and fuck that woman whose only crime is literally existing.
Arguing with these kinds of people, on any platform, be it facenook, twicker or even this website, it's not gonna change their thinking. Maybe some of these people u r arguing with, might grow up eventually and realise their mistakes. But I wouldn't hold my breath for it.
not just in fiction but in real life too.There are higher case of misogynist than misandry.People hate women characteristics more than men,and they love men characteristics more than women.That's why there are more works with male protagonist (yaoi,bl,movies,manga,anime)than women protagonist.
all I know is that Women hate each other.
I agree, but what make her seem iffy, at least in my book, is that :
1) why is she there late at night if indeed is for business. Why not contact his personal manager for this.
2) if a paparazzi was already “there” outside of the hotel, why now? She explained that Yoon rumors are hot in the media, why haven’t they questioned a gay lover when Yoon has taken Wonwoo to his home very late at night? He walks in very openly with him? Why would the paparazzi miss this?
3) And the last part. I understood that their relationship broke than she got married. Media possibly blamed her and he didn’t say anything to clarify it, then I get her anger. Which in it eyes, she was the one to contact or give a hint to this paparazzi about a woman visiting Yoon. She’s flipping the coin now and even prepared Yoon for this when she said something about don’t say anything until I do with the media. Which makes her the same as Yoon.
She just should’ve done it without having to say it was for business and hugging him like that
idc if you don't want replies lol, you posted publicly so you're getting one
First of all, in the OP I already addressed the fact that people get annoyed by male love rivals too. It's a question of degree and also misogyny.
Second—and I get why some readers would be confused about this because it requires background knowledge about sports stuff—she's basically trying to poach YGY from his current team/management. From what I understand, in the sports world, this is very bad manners. It happens all the time and literally everyone does it, but it has to be on the DL or else it could hurt a management firm's reputation. The way it looks to the outside is, I think, supposed to be a cover for her actual business intentions. Plus, she could have just told her husband what her plan was so he didn't think she was cheating on him.
I also strongly disagree that she's there to be "hateable." She was introduced to cause conflict, which is of course a critical element of a story's plot. You thinking that you're supposed to "hate" her (and then actually doing so) suggests to me that you are a child. Which is okay, but this is a webtoon for adults. And, being an adult myself, I can say with confidence that any writer who thinks their theoretically adult audience needs a character to hate on is either an incredibly lazy writer or insulting their audience's intelligence (or both).
Lastly, I don't know if you're calling me or the redhead a "martyr," but either way that's not what that word means.
some of them r getting too brave for being ignorant and it pisses me off. a little push, SOMETHING to hurt their ego, like what happened to me b4 might do the trick. hopefully, it does
I'm not who you were replying to but I can answer some of your questions
1) She's not contacting his management because that would be like saying, "Hey, can I take your super famous and profitable client away?" She's trying to poach him, essentially.
2) Heteronormative expectations—they just assume people are straight. AFAIK, in Korea, it isn't weird for unmarried male friends to sleep over at each other's houses. Plus, YGY has been known by the media to be a womanizer, and awareness of bisexuality is relatively low in Korea, so reporters probably don't pay attention to Wonwoo because he's a guy. Nothing to see here, just some guys being dudes, nbd.
3) This is a pretty fair point. I'm not totally sure what her plans are or her exact motives re: dealing with the paparazzi. Revenge is probably part of it though.
thats because female characters are almost always put in between the love interests. They are usually written in a way where they always seem disingenuous too. I'm not saying that people don't have done internalized misogyny but the authors really don't help..
Yeah, the authors definitely play a role in this as well. But the reactions against her just seemed abnormally unjustified in this case
Lol you guys are funny.
no, YOU'RE funny. coughing. misogynist. ideas. and. trying. to. find. a. way. to. justify. it.
Pft okay.
Thanks for the translation, but Wonwoo's hoobae's name is Dong Se-eun, not Don Ge-eun
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what a HUGE mistake I made, HOW COULD I NOT NOTICE THAT, it's not like IT'S THAT HARD TO TRANSLATE NAMES
thanks for correcting me
I find it sorta weird that a lot of people are hating on Jooin just because he isn't picking Cain. Like... y'all understand that people can't control who they have romantic feelings for, right?
Don't get me wrong—I don't think that this is a particularly well-written piece of fiction and I'm not necessarily defending Jooin's characterization. He's been a very reactive (as opposed to proactive) protagonist for most of the series, and doormat MCs can be pretty annoying. But hating on him for not having feelings for the suitor you prefer? That's pretty dumb.
,,people’’ ???? What that ??? Booo we are in manga did you forget?!
Listen I'm a cat person but here I'm Team Cain all the way
I was Team Yahwi for a long time (I like drama and redemption arcs ok?), but ever since I read the raws of this chapter a few weeks ago, I switched to Team Cain. Because Yahwi has gotten less interesting and more, like, fucking annoying lol
Koalas have one of the smallest brain-to-body-mass ratios of any mammal and are therefore one of the dumbest. They're so stupid that they can only recognize eucalyptus leaves when the leaves are on a branch; if the leaves are laid on a flat surface then the koala doesn't know what they are and won't eat them. Also they carry STDs like chlamydia. So they might be cute but that's literally all they have going for them lol
For a long time, I was Team "Yahwi Having a Redemption Arc"* but I feel like his behavior has gone well beyond the normal level of toxicity for BL, which is not exactly great anyway. At this point, he's basically stalking Jooin. I read the raws of this chapter months ago and this is when Yahwi crossed the moral event horizon in my eyes.
Also, I've said this before, but I don't understand the hate towards Jooin just because he isn't picking your suitor of choice. Complain about how he can be a doormat and how he's been a passive protagonist (which tbf is more of a criticism of the writing/plot), not that he has fucking feelings that he can't control.
*Only because it's fiction and they are not real people. If you're in a relationship with someone who treats you like Yahwi treats Jooin, run for the hills. In real life, people like this (i.e., narcissists) rarely change long-term. Sometimes they will act like they've changed if you threaten to leave/break up with them, but as soon as they feel like they've got you again, they'll go right back to their narcissistic bullshit.