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I dislike her because I find her character bland, weak and naive. Although Athy has shown her so much kindness, she takes advantage of this dilemma and tries to get closer to Claude. If Jeanette really liked Athy as a sister, then why hasn't she tried to get Claude to reconcile with Athy or at least mention her at all...in this situation everyone know hows devastating it is for Athy... and it seems she doesn't feel a hint of guilt chatting up to Claude while Athy's on the run. And in the original timeline Jeanette who I believe had to ability to fix Athy and Claudes' relationship remained complacent which resulted in Athy's death.

I feel the same, I can get very easily annoyed with characters in comics and have dropped a lot of them because of that, but I genuinely just feel sorry for Jeanette. The main character is an adult living a kid's life, Jeanette is a kid who has been shown very little affection in her life with the only thing driving her forward being the knowledge that she has a family who will take her in and love her. At this point her only goal is acceptance, I feel bad for her and Anthy both and I can't hate them. I would say I hate the adults in the story more because they're the ones who put these girls in this situation.

But she literally said in the recent chapters that she was trying to meet with Claude partly to help mediate Athy and Claude (except he kept sleeping on her). She even told Athy she was meeting with Claude to which Athy seemed indifferent about it ("sure, why not?") so there's the "hint of guilt" you're looking for (either way she can't avoid meeting him anyway). I can't speak for Jennette in the original timeline, but honestly I can't speak for anyone in the original timeline since literally everyone who loves Athy now was ok with her dying except, ironically, Jennette.
As for "bland/weak/naive", well Athy had the privilege of being a reincarnated adult otherwise she would be another "foolish princess". Jennette is the only one that can't use magic, is supposedly intelligent but not adult-level like Ijekiel. If anything, Athy and Ijekiel with their OP magic and intelligence are more bland compared to who appears to be a stereotypical-pure-hearted princess - which would also be uninteresting if she wasn't always interacting with the main antagonist. If I may quote Hermione Granger "books and cleverness. there are more important things: friendship and bravery". She is fighting in her own way (you can see Anathasius being thrown off by her smile sometimes) but in all honesty, both love and bullsht intelligence/powers are overrated character strengths.

well but she was happy and wasn't killed

Well firstly, I disagree with Athy being a bland character, having OP magic and intelligence does not always equate to being bland. In Athy's case I believe her intelligence actually makes the story alot more interesting to read, since the characters around her expect Athy to actually act like her age. Its fun for us viewers to see Athy use her intelligence to try and survive and to prevent her death in the original story. As for her magic skills, I personally think it was unnecessary, but I don't think its makes her bland because this story doesn't focus on magic powers, its focuses on Athy's journey of survival and her relationship with Claude and how Athy is realising she does indeed love her dad rather than just acting it out for survival. For Ijekiel... yea I agree he's pretty bland.And like I said in my previous statement Jeanette still remains complacent... although her original purpose was to help mediate Athy and Claude... she clearly hasn't even mentioned Athy at all...Claude sleeping is used as an excuse. Jeanette lacks in EQ and empathy she blurts she is Athy's sister and expected her welcoming and not shocked, she hasn't really considered Athy feelings at all in that sense.I do pity her for not being able to have a proper family and I can understand why she's so eager to tell she's "family" and receive their love, but does she think to have only rights and no duties?! I wish she'd stop for a moment and THINK with HER brain about THINGS

I can see where you're coming from, I mean isekai where reincarnated MCs are gifted with wisdom are popular so I can't argue with that. But if we're ranking characters by their development instead of things they are born with, both Athy and Jennette are offenders of that. Even though Athy has taken away Jennette's sources of happiness (Claude, her aunt, Ijekiel) just for EXISTING, she hasn't made any attempt to remedial that. While Athy and Claude is Jennette's only chance at unconditional love, Athy can't even do that bc jealousy. She has the privilege of being reincarnated into the world but she's done more worse than good. I mean it's true that Athy has her own happiness she's working hard towards, but if Jennette's happiness is not of her concern then it should be the same vice versa. In fact, Jennette is trying to help, it's not like she's talking to Claude with the intention of stealing him or taking the throne. Athy managed to incriminate Jennette and put her own misery in the spotlight even though Jennette is about to die from her curse and is in a more miserable situation.

Even though intelligence isn't Jennette's forte, I do believe her thinking is on the right track. While she is considering both their happiness, Athy isn't trying to help either herself or Jennette (she's the MC but she's far from the hero). The idea that Claude's love is a competition between them is pretty twisted that I actually commend Jennette for speaking up when Anathasius insulted them. If not, then it would really mean that Athy had stolen Jennette's happiness and it would make her out to be the villain. I don't see how Jennette is in the wrong, its more like everyone else is too busy seeing each other as enemies while she is genuinely trying to get along with everyone without ulterior motive. Athy, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have the same level of emotional maturity otherwise she would understand that love can be shared but instead she wants Claude all to herself. Of course, whether Claude can love them both is a whole other debate and to be honest, I'd rather Athy be Claude's one and only. Just that, I think it would be cool for Athy and Claude to share a part of that towards her as an extended family, plus I find it tragic that he considered killing Jennette despite loving her so much in the original story.

Woah thanks for the long reply, yea anyways I do agree with you that Jennette is trying to get along with everyone without an ulterior motive, because after all she is literally the pure-hearted heroine in the original story. But since her emotional intelligence isn't the best, she can't recognise that maybe Athy may feel threatened by her, she only considered this when Anathasius mentioned it. I believe this is why the character Jennette is receiving so much hate. Also rather than jealous, I feel Athy might be feeling threatened by Jennette, like I mentioned above, Athy know what happens in the original story, where even though the original Athy met Claude first, Claude ultimately chooses Jennette over her...so she might be worried that Claude will follow suit to the original story. Thats why I don't blame Athy IF she THINKS its a competition, since obviously everyone around her does (e.g. Ijekiel dad, where mentions that theres only one spot for Claude affection or something similar to that). That why I think the readers are more forgiving to Athy in the aspect of mediating relationships with Claude. And I do believe Athy does care for Jennette Happiness as you can from their interactions, but is in conflict with herself and the reason I mentioned before. Don't get me wrong I don't HATE Jennette, and I don't thinks she had done anything wrong intentionally in a logical sense, but I dislike her because she hasn't done anything good? something like that. She thinks in the right track, but her actions hasn't really followed that track and remained stationary. Simply put, don't hate her. just dislike her cause naive (low eq)/complacent. Readers mainly hate her because she's an 'obstacle' in Athy and Claude relationship and readers gets defensive over it or some hate her due to the perfect heroine archetype which is harder for viewers to relate too. In the end I do wish Jennette will get her happiness but if im being honest it would rub me the wrong way if Claude loves her as much as he loves Athy. (/TДT)/ Anyways had a nice discussion with you, thanks for not being one of those toxic ppl I see on this site where they insult and berate the commenter

Haha all good XD

See I can understand this one, I dont hate her and dont really dislike her, I just feel bad for her because I feel like she's trying her hardest but she is just a kid and doesn't know how claude really is. I completely agree claude shouldn't love her as much and I actually want Jeannette to have a father figure that cares about her as a person as she is since most of the adults in the story are failing the kids and putting them against each other for power.

I can't bring myself to hate or dislike her because I honestly feel like her actions in the story are just stemming from her being raised to try and please others and be likeable. She's more tragic than anything to me.

Yes thanks for the discussion actually I really enjoyed your replies they made sense. I don’t hate Athy either even though it sounded like it, I just wanted to explain it in a way that made it sound similar to how people talk about Jennette to get my point across. I agree that Jennette hasn’t done anything useful so far but I’m just speculating that she will based on who she is. I too don’t want Claude to like her as much as he does for Athy, just I felt bad for her when he threatened to kill her.

I want to start by saying I want Athy to win Claude. I just hate that it’s through Jennette’s misfortune. At this point I can’t root for one person without making it fair for the other. I want to root for Athy, but seeing how she took away Jennette’s happiness, served as her “delusional” replacement happiness, then outright rejected her as family seems fucked.
Jennette was fine with Athy trying to receive Claude’s love, but Athy seems reluctant to share it. I get it, Athy feels threatened, but does Jennette have to die because of that? Athy already has Claude on her side, it’s only a matter of returning his memories. Even if he doesn’t remember, Jennette has made it pretty clear that she wants to help mediate Claude and Athy. Also, I don’t know about other cultures but I’m pretty close to my cousins that I love them as much as my actual siblings. They’re def not strangers/outsiders. I think Jennette has every right to barge in, it’s not completely false happiness just because they aren’t related in the way she thinks they are. Of course, if we’re talking about rights to the throne then it matters but Jennette could give less fucks about that (not even going to mention that she technically has the right as the original king’s daughter). Not saying that she has to join the family, but as an option it’s not wrong.
Also about the “plot transition”, well Anathasius is the main villain so he is vital to the story as a whole and I’m not going to pass off that conflict for pure father-daughter fanservice - I can simply revisit previous chapters for that. Now I’m not too sure if Athy/Claude/Lucas could beat Ana in a fight but I think there’s hope for Jennette to be the key to his end. When you realise how much of a threat Jennette is to Athy, the possibility that she can melt Ana’s heart and save everyone is there. To me, their story is more interesting since it’s still incomplete and unpredictable while AthyxClaude is pretty much resolved (just waiting for memories).
I’m not out there to get people to like Jennette... anymore... I’m just pissed that people are okay with her being unhappy/dying without considering that it’s going to be on Athy’s conscience. And when you aren’t okay with Jennette “stealing” Athy’s happiness, well, there’s only hypocrisy in being okay with the reverse.

Okay here we go. Simply for existing, Athy DID take away Jennette's happiness. Because she became the MC, she got Jennette's closest family member (her aunt) killed, she made her fiance fall for her, and most importantly, she made Claude possessive over her and now he's turned the cold shoulder to Jennette even though originally he cared so much about her. Now I'm not saying any of that is Athy's fault, but then how can you say Jennette existing and bringing misfortune to Athy is her fault either?
Also from my interpretation of the story, Claude isn't going to die because of Jennette. He is going to die because of Anathasius. Jennette is born from dark magic but that has nothing to do with others than it is to do with her eventual death - at least that's how I see it from the broad exposition of her curse. So far she hasn't actually contributed anything directly to Athy's misfortune (Claude didn't lose his memories because of bad luck, but because of Anathasius and Jennette had the least control preventing that).
Note that I never read the novel, so that might be why I see the story differently since people might already know that she's about to fuck things up, at that point I will change my interpretation of Jennette. But so far, she appears harmless to me.
Anyway, Jennette hasn't contributed anything worthwhile despite her words but its the thought that counts. I mean Athy probably put in the same amount of effort to research Jennette's curse too so same thing.

To be fair, I don't want Jennette to be recognised as Claude's daughter either. But compared to that I'd rather he not hate her. I think she would totally be fine as a cousin if/when she finds out (as long as she can be around Athy), either way, I think it's important that Claude at least recognises her as family. I understand if Athy/Claude end up not welcoming her, still think Jennette deserves a chance to introduce herself.
I realise that you feel strongly about Jennette not being Claude's "true" daughter. It's not like I'm saying it's okay for Jennette to fight and take Athy's place that is a big NO. But the reality is that in the original story, he genuinely did care a lot for her as a daughter. She's not a complete stranger either. I feel bad that he forgot about all that the same way he lost his memories of Athy and even threatened to kill her (deja vu?). Yet when Jennette raised the question about family, Athy appeared to totally close her off.

Now I know I've made a lot of speculation pinning my hopes on Jennette. I'm not saying its reason to love her, but lots of people hate Jennette due to the same "speculation". I'm simply offering a different view of her since they're not ungrounded theories either when you think about Jennette's characterisation. You can even see Anathasius being thrown off by Jennette little by little. In the first place, she has no ill intentions even though we've made it that she's out to steal Claude. I know people have their expectations lowered because of the original story, but Athy's done a great job of antagonising Jennette and we never really saw Jennette's POV (until now). And its only pure love for Athy. I understand that people are annoyed she hasn't acted upon her words, but remember Jennette originally had a hard time trying to get Claude on her side. I didn't expect that to happen in one chapter.

Also notice I put "stealing" in quotation marks. Yes it wasn't deliberate, but you have to admit that because of Athy, Jennette's fate has changed for the worse. Even if she didn't exist, Anathasius would still be out to kill Claude; Jennette staying away is a meaningless sacrifice. I don't truly think Athy stole Claude, because like you said, he is hers. But if that statement made you grind your gears, then that's how it appears to me when people say they hate Jennette because she "stole" Athy's happiness (i.e. made her miserable). According to the original story, Jennette's fate was in the palace and she deserves a bit of that happiness back. It might not be ideal for AthyxClaude fans but I think its much better than her dying without ever being truly loved by anyone... you know... like original Athy?

Tl;dr this was clearly an unfair discussion as someone who never read the novel and was arguing based purely on my interpretation of the manhwa and the very few clues presented to me

long reply:
If you didn't want to give a long reply, couldn't you just say something along the lines of "people hate Jennette bc of novel knowledge that's probs why our perspective on Jennette is different"? I've definitely gained 'knowledge' in this discussion thank you very much. I literally made all my points based purely on my interpretation of the manhwa and I assumed people made "speculations" about Jennette because it didn't occur to me that they were using real facts without a spoiler tag. I even explicitly said I didn't read the novel hoping to be informed since I was getting sus of why you were so confident about using facts that weren't confirmed. I don't know... if there was something that made you think I was asking for spoilers then my bad.

Emotions aside, I'll admit some of what you said is valid regardless so I reread chapters around 23, 39-41, and my thought process was "Jennette is a child conceived from black magic, Athy and Claude are cursed". Ofc my dumbass didn't put the two together to get "Jennette was cursed to bring misfortune/death to Claude". I had assumed it was a failed experiment since Jennette was born without magic since she was meant to have superior magic (and the misfortune was Jennette falling ill soon or something). I wasn't really bothered to find out what happened in the past and waited for the mystery to unravel itself, but perhaps someone who did was able to guess correctly so I'll apologise and give that point to you.

The problem is the flashback between Claude and Diana though - the scene was wayyy too ambiguous to figure out that they broke apart bc Jennette's curse (here I thought it was due to a misunderstanding/set up). Even if not, there was no way for me to understand how curses work in that world. I took it to face value that Claude genuinely loved Jennette. When Claude lost his memories, Ana had to actively play a role tampering the ribbon; a lot of things happened because of a reason and not out of randomness, so I don't blame myself for not thinking Jennette is the [direct] source of all of Athy's sadness.

Either way, I still stand by Jennette and sympathise with her and I'm not going to favour someone just bc they're MC. I was raised to love my family no matter how big or small the differences, that's just how it is (unless ofc they're a criminal). Btw, you seem to be attacking everything I say even though its just perspective and I already mentioned that I want Athy to be Claude's only daughter - there's no point in arguing with something I agree with. There's a lot more I want to say but I'll stop for your sake. I'll at least offer my gratitude for your effort in explaining everything to me bc it was getting tedious arguing over plot points with insufficient information <- not being sarcastic I actually think all that detail must've been hard work^^ usually I get ignored. I mean... I prefer to not have been spoiled but I suppose your intentions are good.

This is just me repeating myself but I think not knowing novel details is a pretty big deal in terms of the way I see Jennette. I never consider how much of a threat she might be since the manhwa never elaborated much on what it meant to be a child born with misfortune which allowed me to twist the story in my favour, now that I know I can see Athy's actions are justified (I'm not belittling myself, that plot point somehow escaped me and Athy had every reason to feel wary of her). In fact, I'm pretty sure they baited me into sympathising with Jennette and I fell for that hook line and sinker. My reason to antagonise Athy was to prove a point, by no means did it I consider Athy a happiness thief. I just thought it was weird people thought Jennette as a happiness thief without knowing what happened was literal theft. Rather than pathos, I tried to use ethos since I believed Athy and Jennette deserved happiness regardless of the circumstances of their birth.

Usually, when I debate people that hate Jennette, most people don't like her because she's standing in the way of Athy and Claude. Even without novel knowledge, I admit, even I get annoyed at her. But when you are under the assumption that Claude had genuinely loved her in 'lovely princesses', that hate comes off as an overreaction (I intended to favour both Athy and Jennette equally) and they're always anticipating the worst-case scenario. I understand now the dislike makes sense, and people are free to do so since her actions ARE making the circumstances that much worse. I was only being optimistic since her intentions don't align with her role, didn't think she had that little control over it. To be honest, I think her naivety is not that bad and neither does she lack empathy - just thinking if my dumb and shy 14-year-old self was in her shoes I would've been worse.

I'll forgive the spoiler, it's not your intention to ruin my experience (and the anger wasn't completely directed at you), so don't worry it's not ruined :)
I know I was also emotional in my post so I want to give my sincere apologies too.
If you are originally a French speaker, I appreciate more that you took the time to write this post. I would have never guessed so I find that impressive.

Funny enough, it seems like we don't have that many differences in how we view Athy and Jennette. I understand you were originally defending people that disliked Jennette, and I kinda lost it when you mentioned something like "people that want her dead are more rational". At the time I had no idea why you thought that was okay but I understand why you would say that, and it's clear to me it's not your feelings but simply a logical preference.

No fuck! is that a thing!

Koreans (〜￣△￣)〜

Thats what we call as manipulative. There is even more evil than criminal because they can manipulate others to become evil while escaping being branded as one.

They just have the same hair colour it ain’t that serious sis

The whole reason they adopted her was because she looked just like their dead daughter lol did you read?

All kids look pretty similar to an extent. So it ain’t that serious if they “look alike” and most siblings you can’t tell they’re siblings so chill. Do you know how many couples look like they could be siblings but they aren’t LOL. We can already tell she looks nothing like the parents other than the hair colour even that is slightly off shade. And where did the parents say you look exactly like our dead child? And the most important point is that those kids don’t see her as a sister. I mean if they do and she doesn’t end up with johan, I’d be fine with that too cuz he left her in the middle of the town.

That's literally the entire premise of the story but okay

They are not related by blood and the brothers don't see her as sister so there won't be any problem with them becoming couple with hari....

That’s your opinion. I personally don’t want that to happen

The first part wasn't an opinion but a fact but ok....fine

ihy but ily

why did you assume i was talking about the first part “their won’t be a problem with them becoming a couple” was what i was addressing ;-;

well bcz your reply was supposed to be a reply to all of my comment...anyways bye

ehh yeah it is a little odd but we all know how it’s gonna play out the second time around. I think her timeline reset 20 years for a reason

Actually, mamamia557 is pretty correct. Factually speaking, both the first and second part of his sentence is correct and can be regarded as not an opinion. There are no legal or biological problems with hari and the brothers being couples, so technically you're the one who's wrong lol it's all fact

factually speaking, there is nothing wrong from a biological standpoint, as yes they are no related = no kids with f-ed genetics. but from a social standpoint idk how i would feel if someone told me they loved their stepbrother and had been engaging in a sexual relation with him. try to join from my perspective next time

Well originally she was and adult in her first life soo

We don't know how old she was when she died and Lucas is magic. He's hundreds of years old and has only ever known her when she was a child.

Bruh people ship 16 year olds with those 300 years old, since lucas is past the human life expectancy area, I kinda ignore the age gap. So :)

Same tho it's still kind of sad

I thought lucas doesnt have a real age?

He would technically have a real age, though it's not exactly determined what it is and what time he was exactly from. We would have to honestly guess it from what the story tell us.

Coz in reality people fuck up. People tend to see what they only want

But none of them even seem to feel guilty about it. They're all just like "She sucked before but now she's cool so it's fine."

Yeah that's how society works sadly. If ur not quote on quote "cool" or "respectful" people treat u like ur trash. Honestly I'm pretty sad for her to. She probably had depression and anxiety from everything that already happened to her. Then going in that house probably made it a hell of alot worse. She was a gem that no one polished so she remained forever cloudy (╯°Д °)╯╧╧

Coz people think they are the protagonist of their own life, if they do bad they just brash it off but if other do bad to them They gonna make them sorry like hell

Unfortunate, huh? I joked around, saying that I'd google translate all the words and just copy paste it onto the manga scans to be faster than the second group---and now some user in my DM asked if they could do it instead LMFAO. So if that person's really gunning for it, you'd be in for a ride.

The stupidity of arrogance

Self entitlement + Spoiled brat = Stupidity