Yashiki's Topics (202)

Cain is the youngest brother

Typo but I mean the one that gave the medical supplies to Cain.

Yeah he looks too cute to be older

Ooooo

exactly

You seriously don't grasp the problem here. Dark stories can be good, can be great. When they are done well. Unfortunately this one is just not.

Author in her ending notes calls Doona "BDSM queen" when in reality she is an abusive rapist. Author didn't recognize her wrongdoings towards Minho at any point meanwhile she recognized that Wookyung as criminal. Such narrative is dangerous and disturbing because author herself has clear problem in understanding BDSM rules and impact of abuse.

This story is not advertised as gore, horror or psychological thriller but as ROMANCE with BDSM which is harmfully misleading. There are no warnings and in the story narrative the abuse, raises and tortures Minho faces are truing to be justified which once again is very problematic.

This!!

Again this is FICTION which is the whole basis of the arguement. There is no wrong or right way of writing. Readers read fiction for the joy of it, not to learn or educate themselves, that's why non-fictional material exists.

Again this is FICTION which is the whole basis of the arguement. There is no wrong or right way of writing. Readers read fiction for the joy of it, not to learn or educate themselves, that's why non-fictional material exists.

It's literally no argument "It's a fiction". It's an argumentation on the level "don't like, don't read".
It's in author's RESPONSIBILITY to properly label the story and put warnings.

Plus it doesn't change the fact the story is poorly written and the narrative is disturbing. Especially when author in SIDE NOTES at the end of the story which is place for reflection and explanations still claims Doona is BDSM queen. That's just purely problematic.

Why stfu? The author has every right to write about what she wants but readers also have to right to know exactly what they'll be recieving once they start a piece of work. If you distort or misconstrue the impact of your work, for example showing the bdsm in sb as "ideal", purposely reducing/brushing off an assault victim's trauma, depicting suicidal imagery without trigger warnings for shock value, calling Wookyung's violent punching and abuse "graphic bdsm" when it's rape/assault, showing rape as "justified" or showing Duna as the "Queen of BDSM" (when she was shown consistently raping her subs, never asking for consent nor providing aftercare). Then yes, by all means "it's not right". No one asked her to not write this, but with the content we got, we didn't sign up for all the normalisation/de-emphasisation of such serious issues under a "romance, mature" manhua therefore the author will be held accountable. It's not a "thriller" "dark" "revenge fantasy". One disclaimer and people like me wouldn't have reason to complain. And if you think that rating this was hard then lemme tell you that even hentai comes tagged on sites. It's not that difficult to do. The author only needs to be aware which this one, clearly, is not.

Oh my god you're so fucking dumb. If you weren't reading on an ILLEGAL SITE, readers would receive the warning upon reading it from the official release if you didn't know.

Also again, it's fucking fiction. You're the type of opinionated people that has a single agenda and that's to force your reality onto the author's. She didn't create this story to teach people about BDSM which is why you're Doona is a BDSM queen argument is so dumb. The story claims she's a BDSM queen in the world that the author created but that's not factually true. Unlike you, readers don't need to be spoon-fed because they can separate reality and fiction. You read this story as if it's real, but it's not.

It's actually a perfect argumentation because the definition of itself explains it. You probably won't count it as an argument because it's so simple and you didn't learn it in grade 2. I'll give you multiple google searched definitions because you can't seem to understand the concept of what fiction means.

1. Literature in the form of prose, especially short stories and novels, that describes IMAGINARY EVENTS and people.
2.Invention or fabrication as opposed to fact.
3. Fiction” refers to literature created from the imagination. Mysteries, science fiction, romance, fantasy, chick lit, crime thrillers are all fiction genres.
4. A work of fiction implies the inventive construction of an imaginary world and, most commonly, its fictionality is publicly acknowledged, so its audience typically expects it to deviate in some ways from the real world rather than presenting only characters who are actual people or portrayals that are factually true.
5. This particular branch of literature consists of stories, novels, and dramas based on made-up and fabricated stories and characters.

"The author has every right to write about what she wants" Literally you just said it and steered away from your own argument dumbass."No one asked her to not write this" yeah, no one did because the author wanted to write it this way. Controversial as it is, if this is how the author wanted to write the story and ended it the way it did, then so be it. You probably didn't know since you read on illegal sites but the official sites DO show a warning before you're allowed to proceed and read.

You're sense of justice mindset is so clouded that you're so fixated on having fictional material be as real as it can be. She didn't create this story to teach people about BDSM which is why you're "Doona is a BDSM queen" argument is so dumb. The story claims she's a BDSM queen in the world that the author created but that's not factually true. Unlike you, readers don't need to be spoon-fed because they can separate reality and fiction. You read this story as if it's real, but it's not.

Literally look up the definition:

1. Literature in the form of prose, especially short stories and novels, that describes IMAGINARY EVENTS and people.
2.Invention or fabrication as opposed to fact.
3. Fiction” refers to literature created from the imagination. Mysteries, science fiction, romance, fantasy, chick lit, crime thrillers are all fiction genres.
4. A work of fiction implies the inventive construction of an imaginary world and, most commonly, its fictionality is publicly acknowledged, so its audience typically expects it to deviate in some ways from the real world rather than presenting only characters who are actual people or portrayals that are factually true.
5. This particular branch of literature consists of stories, novels, and dramas based on made-up and fabricated stories and characters.

Get it into your skull that the story isn't real. People read it for the enjoyment and if you didn't like it, move on and read a "How to BDSM" if you're still so hard for real BDSM.

Lmfao don't make me laugh. On ORGINAL sites this story ONES again I will repeat it slowly for you: has NO warnings, is literally tagged and advertised as R O M A N C E with BDSM elements.

If someone starts personal attacks and call people dumb then it mirrors your level.

Omg you seriously can't grasp that the author's notes literally break the 4th wall?
And you seriously just copy past random definitions to prove I argumentation? I can't.

And once again it doesn't change the fact it's a poorly written story with a questionable and silly, biased narrative. I don't know what once again you can't grasp in this discussion.

On which particular site the warnings beside age ones appear? I'm curious.

I don't know if you read it upside down but "author has every right to write what she wants" and "no one asked her to not write this" (allow me to break it down- no one asked her to not write this=everyone asked her to write this, did that make sense? Read it a couple of times) mean the same thing. NO ONE asked her to NOT write this, because it is her right as a person to write about whatever the hell she wants, what I said was that she doesn't have the right to impose non-trigger warning depictions and normalisation of rape, abuse, assault, violence, unwanted humiliation, misandry, sexism, mistreatment of assault victims, abetment of suicide, suicidal imagery, general lack of consent and aftercare under the guise of bdsm acts on her readers. The author even went extra steps to use sexist tropes as plot armour in a story she wrote for fighting it, understating/reducing the mental trauma/depression of a male rape victim nonetheless, calling Wookyung's violent non consensual punching and abuse "graphic bdsm" instead of non-consensual rape/assault, showing consistent rapists receive no legal repercussion (because the implication is that as long as the victims are men, they won't report anyone for rape because they just love it so much, such sex fiends, aren't they?) even proceeding to label one of them the "queen of bdsm" which just sealed the fact that author doesn't know what she's writing about much less care about how it might affect some readers. I'm sure she she did her research before writing this manhua, if she understood that her content is "mature" and some scenes are "graphic bdsm", then she could've easily differentiated between what scenes comprise of "rape" and which don't, don't infantilize the author by making her look like she can't do better, or absolutely can't provide triggers for her work and for what? What's the excuse? Talking about illegal sites, I had been reading this series on the English official site for years and the only disclaimer it gave me was "mature" and only says genre "romance" "mature" in the description. Your point is? that the normalisation of all those crimes I stated above is to be expected in a mature, romance??? it's not like the author is a "dark" "psychological" "thriller" writer that I should've been like "ah! Ofc she would write something like this". I willingly stepped off the official site because I didn't want to pay the author for this work and saw that this current site has MORE tags than both the Korean and English official sites combined. You talked about literature this and that, to that my argument is that do you think all these things are made up? that the author pulled the ideas of rape and suicide out of thin air?? People experience this in real life and/or feel strongly about these subjects. Author's twisted depiction would have been completely fine had she warned her readers beforehand, so that those who are not okay with it may stop reading but she didn't, MC's worst rape scenes aren't even labelled as "graphic bdsm" like Wookyung's are. It's wonderful that you like the progression of the plot and feel like literature should come in a jack in a box where the author can spring up whatever they want on their audiences because fiction is just boundless isn't it (wonder if you would say the same about a writer normalising pedophilia in their texts without giving trigger warnings because for the sake of fiction! It's made up! It's not real! it's fake pedophilia! yada yada) but no, I despised this manhua and felt like the least the author could do was recognise the problematic aspects of her work and then proceed to identify them while presenting her work as she wants. If that was the case, I would not have called it out so much but since it wasn't, I realised it's probably because the author herself thinks that all of that is justified and not worthy of trigger warnings, so I stopped supporting or paying her and stuck to sites like this one. Also who are you to tell me to "get it my skull"! it's JUST fiction?? If you're hard for bdsm? Bitch I was hard for bdsm is why I came to read this in the first place but left absolutely speechless. All those rape and suicide scenes were very traumatic for me to read, especially when only the character undergoing them was only punished more for shits and giggles. You like it? Good, I did not. I wouldn't even be here in the first place if only your beloved author had warned me in the first place. Author too, if she won't identify her tags first, I'm gonna call her out on her shit.

I noticed the copy paste for both our replies

Bruh none, I checked. Tt says mature, romance and bt says romance, sm, hardcore. Like WHERE IS THE NON-CON, WHERE IS THE SUICIDAL IMAGERY tag op is into some foolassery

And I still can't grasp why are you so rude, vulgar and aggressive when all I did say was that the story is just imo poorly written and has problematic, biased narrative. And was wrongly advertised and labeled. That's my whole point. Because if I'm not mistaken on both original sites the genre is: ROMANCE.

And wanted to say once again that author literally gave a warning before Wookyung and Minho's sexual assault scene "GRAPHIC BDSM CONTENT" sorry but no.

Same. I have half a mind to report it.

Nooooooooo
Just kidding I'm fine either way
But he'd been one hell of a bottom tho

yay, i knew itヾ(☆▽☆)