After reading another story about reunion that is slightly similar to this, I see why people have bad reactions to this manhwa. The pacing and structure of this story is not very well written. The author chose to first show us the present for 50 chapters and then immediately jump into the past and stay in the past for so long that people forget the present and more importantly the main character. With reincarnation/reunion stories, there has to be a good amount of jumping back and forth from the present to the past in order to keep readers interested AND informed of the entire context of the story. With how it is written right now, readers miss Ian and are unable to reconcile the fact that Ian and Brian are supposed to be the same person/soul.
Yup! I honestly cannot see Brian and Ian as the same person/soul. They have similarities in their personalities but their experiences to that have been greatly different (especially with how Sol and his brother have approached/influenced him in this life). I treat Ian as his own complete person. Everyone, from my view, has mostly treated him either as an outcast for his powers or as Brian's stand in. I really can't get behind it. All it makes me do is miss and root for Ian more.
The author can still redeem this storyline as long as she does this well in S3 by having Ian remember his past life. It just depends on how she goes about it.
I've been tired of the recent manga or manhwas I've been reading but picked up this one from my want to read list randomly and I hit a jackpot. I knew from like chapter 5 or even from the very first chapter, that this was gonna be peak BL... not even BL, just PEAK fiction. I binged this till even skimming the raw chapters.
The premise itself isn't entirely unique but the storytelling, the pacing, the characters are absolutely amazing. I am not surprised that this is based off of a novel bc this level of story writing would most likely never start from just a manhwa itself. This story isn't even over yet but I already rate it 5 stars. The way this story focuses on our main character's POV, thought processes, and reasoning make us as an audience understand and WANT to know how everything happened and what will happen next. The pacing of jumping from the present to the past is so seamless bc it does not happen out of nowhere but from the point where our main character is reminded of the past. The focus on the past at the right times also gives us context but just enough mystery to make us want more. Both MC and ML are complex characters that we learn a lot about from both the past and the present. The art style is amazing with focus on facial expressions and body language.
The only thing I am confused about is when does the ML regain his memories bc SPOILERS* in the raw chapters, he throws away his diary and the engagement ring, stating it had an owner but he wasn't sure who. If he remembered that MC is the girl, then wouldn't he NOT throw it away? Or the story is going in another path where the ML will not totally regain his memories bc technically memories don't work in the magical fictional ways where an amnesiac remembers EVERYTHING they forgot. Can somenone spoil the story for me regarding this plotpoint?
This comment section is HILARIOUS. The amount of crazies, copium, and poorly thought out arguments is amazing. You've got impersonators/cyberstalkers, ppl mad af about others calling Jaekyung a rapist, which he is, and a whole lot of back and forth. The creativity tho with describing how garbage this manhwa is, is peak commentary. Genuinely this comment section is way more entertaining than this dogshit of a manhwa. Like others said, Mingwa should've stopped at BJ Alex bc clearly they got some issues.
It’s clear that this comment section is a hotbed of strong opinions and intense emotions. However, there are a few misconceptions and inaccuracies that need clarification:
Opinions on Jaekyung: The discussion about Jaekyung’s actions is indeed polarizing. While some view his behavior as sexual abuse, it’s important to note that legal definitions and personal interpretations of terms like "rape" can vary. The debate is about different perspectives on the story, not about anyone being "mad" at others for their views.
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Btw the guy's alt account who's the rape apologist whining and crying about being impersonated is Shielded Guard aka Morning diamonds
The Cyberstalkers mock, harm, and misrepresent targets, making constructive dialogue difficult. They spread falsehood that only fits them as they are deflecting. They are so obsessed with Morning Diamonds it is not even funny. Looks like they want Morning Diamond to come back but if they do, they are not engaging with cyberstalkers. Which Morning Diamonds has been clear. That is not their main account.
It’s important to recognize that the ongoing cyberstalking is a reflection of the stalker’s own insecurities and personal issues rather than any genuine conflict with the targets. The cyberstalker’s actions seem to stem from a grudge or a reaction to being proven wrong and called out for their behavior. Their attempts to impersonate targets and disrupt conversations highlight their own discomfort and insecurity.
Rather than focusing on the targets, the cyberstalker should address their own issues and let go of their vendetta. Their behavior only exposes their own self-doubt and internal struggles. It’s clear that their actions are more about their personal dissatisfaction than any real issues with the individuals they are targeting.
Let’s continue to focus on maintaining a respectful and constructive dialogue. We should avoid engaging with individuals who are clearly acting out of personal animus and remain committed to positive interactions.
So what if I am? Just because I am a rape a rape defender does not make me a bad person.
I changed my name. The comment from Shielded Guard is a cyberstalker that stole my identity using debunked arguments that only deflect themselves as they are talking about their actions instead of their targets.
Please avoid engaging with the cyberstalkers who are impersonating others. They’re trying to create confusion and escalate the situation. Responding can make things worse. For your safety and to prevent further harm, it’s best to ignore and block them rather than interacting.
Here are some more usernames I literally just wrote off the dome for you Morning diamonds
1. Unyielding Force
2. Unbending Bastion
3. Reliable Fortress
4. Resolute Protector
5. Valiant Keeper
6. Steady Watchman
7. Durable Sentinel
8. Unflinching Guard
9. Steadfast Aegis
10. Rocksteady Defender
11. Unshakeable Guardian
12. Vigilant Rampart
13. True Custodian
14. Unyielding Keeper
15. Solid Guardian
16. Constant Sentinel
17. Stronghold Beacon
18. Steady Watchtower
19. Resolute Citadel
20. Resilient Wall
21. Ironclad Protector
22. Noble Guardian
23. Vigilant Steward
24. Fortified Shield
25. Resolute Fortress
26. Resolute Rampart
27. Tenacious Guard
28. Stalwart Fortress
29. Ironclad Aegis
30. Unbending Keeper
31. Unyielding Custodian
32. Valiant Sentinel
33. Unshakable Pillar
34. Steady Watchdog
35. Stronghold Rampart
36. Unyielding Defender
37. Resilient Keeper
38. Resolute Outpost
39. Faithful Watchman
40. Vigilant Fortress
41. Stalwart Bulwark
42. Unshakeable Keeper
43. Loyal Watchtower
44. Vigilant Rampart
45. Sturdy Custodian
46. Unyielding Watch
47. Tenacious Guardian
48. Unyielding Watcher
49. Constant Guardian
50. Stronghold Keeper
51. Solid Custodian
52. Valiant Guardian
53. Noble Bastion
54. Resolute Outpost
55. True Defender
56. Steady Fortress
57. Ironclad Watchman
58. Reliable Protector
59. Steadfast Shield
60. Resolute Rampart
61. Unbending Sentinel
62. Noble Sentinel
63. Reliable Defender
64. Resolute Pillar
65. Ironclad Fortress
66. Steadfast Watchman
67. Unyielding Shield
68. Resolute Guardian
69. Stalwart Custodian
70. Unshakable Outpost
71. Valiant Watchman
72. Resilient Defender
73. Solid Aegis
74. Faithful Rampart
75. Vigilant Pillar
76. Tenacious Shield
77. Constant Shield
78. Noble Watchman
79. Unflinching Bastion
80. Steady Outpost
81. Unbending Watchman
82. Resilient Rampart
83. Valiant Sentinel
84. Stronghold Custodian
85. Resolute Shield
86. Loyal Rampart
87. Unshakeable Guardian
88. Sturdy Aegis
89. Steadfast Fortress
90. Noble Outpost
91. Vigilant Aegis
92. Unyielding Rampart
93. Reliable Watchman
94. Solid Outpost
95. Tenacious Fortress
96. Valiant Shield
97. Unflinching Watchman
98. Stronghold Sentinel
99. Faithful Custodian
100. Unbending Guardian
You are so smart and tall and handsome and rapey and famous <3 I could never come up with so many non-cringy 2 worded usernames like that.
I have read a lot of BL and quite some weird ones as well. BUT this one....made me physically sick. The art is I guess decent but not amazing. As I say that, I think the art didn't help bc the smut was disturbing with how dramatically wet everything was. This man is literally probably 3-4 decades older than our uke and was a literal predator /pedophile who lusted after a 4 year old and only stayed away bc he was forbidden from seeing him until he turned 20....YIKES. I let a lot of things slide in omegaverse and in BL in general but this was DISGUSTING. You can't glaze over that hgue age gap and lusting after a child even tho they're "destined mates"... I couldn't take anything seriously with the exaggerated him being wetter than even women's pussys and him just getting more and more confused and 'falling for' the seme. It's screaming predator, pedophile and wrong in so many ways.
Wtf?!?! I have not kept up reading this in a while so I think the last time I read up to the part after Yurito gave birth to Toshimaru. WHat the fuck is happening? I mean this story was weird from the beginning but I guess some aspect of it appealed to me but now Coro has a brother and he's trying to seduce and manipulate Yurito? Confused and also weirded out even tho I wasn't that much before. Not veyr entertaining either.
I kept seeing clips of this and the art looked nice so I decided to read it even after seeing other comments saying it's lacking in execution. I binged the entire thing and I have to say I'd give it an above average rating just because the story is pretty decent, some good old angst, and very very beautiful artwork of not just the characters but also the backgrounds.
Now the execution.. did leave much to be desired. The characters themselves have personality and the way they behave make sense especially with the context and background revealed much later. However, the chemistry is a bit lacking and every time they do it, it LOOKs sexy-ish but what was actually happening was NOT sexy. I think it required more chemistry between the two...idk why the author thought every single time they had sex, it had to be fucking painful with no proper preparation--that took a lot of the chemistry out. You would also think their contractual relationship would lead to more bonding between the two, like learning about each other and shit but just a lot of not sexy smut and mindless talking. Then the author dragged this shit out till chapter 81 and I thought oh side stories and its FUCKING SPECIALS in an alternate universe but the SAME dynamic like WHATTT?!?! I didn't even bother reading those specials cuz they annoyed me after all that hard work I did binging this.
Agreed with a lot of people about this needing way more chapters for AFTER they developed mutual feelings and not just one month after the car accident. There needs to be way more progress on both their ends bc I ain't feeling the love. The few things that were done well were the overall plot, some of their actions/behaviors and the story making sense with things being brought up in the beginning and connecting with later plot points. Ex: Jaehyuk saying shit like" who would pay you more than I am" being brought back up in a later scene OR Yeon-oh getting into an accident and Jaehyuk being worried bc he thought his grandfather got to Yeon-oh like he did to the others in the past. Like this shit made sense and gave proper context for why they behaved like that and kept character and story consistency.
This is just so good in that the story has a consistent pace and storyline that makes sense. Hyunjoon and Jinha are together trying to manage a project, work in the same space, and deal with this mysterious stalker all at the same time. The sub plots keep things interesting and not boring. Not to mention Hyunjoon is a superb green flag and yet also has a damn personality. Jinha's personality also meshes well with Hyunjoon's. Amongst everything there is seriousness, mystery, and comedic moments that work very well together to make this story not only NON-TOXIC but also fun and enjoyable.
Idk...this story isn't very good or extremely bad either. I have mixed feelings. When it showed Ryousuke's upbringing and why and how he sexually assaulted Seno in his sleep for years, I thought this might go somewhere. I thought it might make a turn for the better when Seno STILL rejected Ryousuke after the whole kidnapping/fake lover situation bc it looked like Ryousuke had his own plans. However, chapter 14 ended up being the ending and I just don't know what I just read. It feels pointless for all this struggling especially on Seno's end only for Ryousuke to say he'll take over everything so Seno doesn't have to choose anything. Ryousuke is trash (we already know that). Yes we have Seno willingly speak with his father and decide to be with Ryousuke but I can't help but feel so unsatisfied with Seno's lack of character growth and agency. There are some serious pieces missing that could make this pretty decent. Maybe if author didn't include the raping and kidnapping, the ending lines of "you dont have to choose anymore" and "you have no reason left to run away" wouldn't sound like a hostage situation and sound more romantic.
I started reading this only bc I saw it on social media with people saying the ml is a different "flavor" of tops so I just assumed this was a good one. Boy was I wrong. I got to chapter 20 something and the ml is just a complete red flag--the type who is obsessive, possessive, manipulative and would legitimately kill anyone other than the uke. The type that girls fan over just bc he treats the uke special but at the same time does not give two shits about boundaries or what the uke truly wants. Its not really cute. To be honest, the story is not as bad as I make it seem but at the same time just not anything special. Additionally, author is apparently sick so this is on a hiatus. I would not waste any more time on this than I already have.
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I for one, LOVE this manhwa for how it portrays this vicious cycle of hate, karma and revenge. My opinion on the characters is I don't hate either Klopp or Aeroc. I've seen a lot of people hate Klopp for how badly he treated Aeroc especially in the first timeline and many people think Klopp is a horrible person through and through who is unbefitting not only Aeroc but also Rapiel. To me, Klopp of course wouldn't be considered a good person but neither would Aeroc. They both have many flaws and of course we tend to side with the main character whom we experience the story through is Aeroc. Aeroc did a horrible thing--although unintentionally-- still ended up causing Rapiel and his child to be brutally assaulted and then die tragically. The rage and lengths to ruin Aeroc's life is completely understandable from Klopp's POV. Yes, he goes to even further lengths to torture Aeroc which sometimes goes beyond justification. But if you think of it as karma for his sins, Aeroc did suffer many of the similar things that Rapiel suffered. Ex: Being brutually raped, having miscarriages, dying the exact way Rapiel died.
Like I said, there is a beautifully tragic message about this vicious cycle of revenge. It's an eye for an eye but that leaves the world blind. And yet if you ask a lot of ppl, what they would do, they would do the something similar, same or worse than Klopp. Somebody feeling so betrayed and hurt like that won't stop to think whether its wrong or whether it is justified. They want that person to suffer as much if not more than what they felt. Klopp even said himself that he gained some satisfaction for exacting his revenge but at the same time felt like he created his very own hell. No matter how much Aeroc suffered, it was never enough for Klopp. Moreover, he felt disgusted and prob guilty that he felt any love/affection for Aeroc, the person who killed his previous mate and child. When I had first read this and found out what Aeroc did, I was like OH, that's why he's in this state and that's why Klopp treats him so horribly. So tbh I don't understand the hate for Klopp.
One important aspect missing from the first story that I learned from spoiler is the fact that Klopp actually imprinted on Aeroc basically from the beginning which is part of the reason why he couldn't stay away from Aeroc and everything unfolded the way it did. They both suffered a lot to be honest and it was unfortunate that things had to happen that way but it is what it is.
As for the 2nd and 3rd timeline, I think the 2nd timeline is proving to be more interesting with Klopp's POV and Aeroc's regression so in a way it's a 2nd chance for Aeroc to choose differently and NOT let his jealousy dictate his actions. The 3rd timeline apparently is Klopp's regression but as somebody else commented, what if there was a timeline where both remember what happened? I think that is far more intriguing than what we have bc this entire story really is about karma and 2nd chances, What would they do differently if they had the foresight? I imagine in a timeline where both regressed, they both would've chosen differently. In an ironic way, this story is questioning if you had the 2nd chance, would you do things differently? But would it end the same way? How much can you control with your actions and how much is predetermined by uncontrollable forces?
So you mean Klopp was justified to do all that shits because he was in mourn and hurt after losing his partner & children. His karma was him having self-turbulence between hate or love to the person who he supposedly hate?
Aeroc here has mental and physical torture to pay for his sin, yet Klopp only has mental problem. I don't get how can you put them in the same level of pain.
What Aeroc did was unforgivable, but Klopp isn't a justified executer for his sin. Klopp isn't God who has the wisdom. He's just the same faulty human who did terrible things to another human.
Until the 3rd lifetime, I was confused to author's reasoning of still making Klopp finding fault at Aeroc after the gruesome things he done. Klopp did acknowledged his fault, but he didn't find it wrong either. Till the end he was lowkey blaming Aeroc for what all happened in 1st timeline. I don't understand why the author justified Klopp to do that. Now after reading your reasoning, I kinda understand. It is victim mentality to justified what Klopp did. Him being the party that lose his partner is a justified reason to be a monster. To do all the scheme and torture. Because this is a husband who's hurt after losing people he love. Therefore, he shouldn't receive punishment for it.
But, you and the author seem to forget the fact that this entitled man was actually like Aeroc but fail to admit it because of his own insecurity. He deny the feeling because he didn't want to admit he was inferior to the noble Taewind. So he chose Raphael who has similar figure to Aeroc. This man isn't a husband who was hurt because he lose the person he love. He made a substitute of the innocent Raphael, because he can chose his nobility without losing too much. He is just someone who live for his frail ego and blame everything but himself.
But what Kloff didn’t give Rapiel justice it was just to satisfy his lust with Aeroc, that’s not karma, it’s self-serving. It’s his guilt to Rapiel that made him look for more ways to punish Aeroc.. to punish his lust towards someone who he could had have without marrying Rapiel.
If you were Rapiel’s mom… if you saw your dead son’s name being used by his ex husband and that kid is a product of the your kids killer. Is it justice? Is it karma? It’s just more hurt.
What people like you fail to see is what Kloff did is bring more hurt. He wasn’t a good partner to begin with, dragging his pregnant wife to gloat at Aeroc. But some people fail to see that little bits that triggered this mess. It doesn’t excuse Aeroc’s sin, but it does give you a sense that this hell wasn’t Aeroc’s making… but Kloff.
I feel angry each time people defend Kloff.. i’m like, you guys saw the damage of this hell on his kids? They will live the rest of their lives knowing they’re conceived through revenge and that each birth killed their mom. That trauma will live with each of them. To add, the twins were born with a lot of defects. If he truly loved his children, he wouldn’t have put them in that position. He was so consumed on hurting Aeroc.. that he was doing more damage to his kids.
In vol 5, he described Aeroc as the devil he made. He saw the damage of his actions when Aeroc screamed at him “if you love rapiel.. you should have done everything for him… why are you doing this to me!?”
If Kloff left Aeroc alone in s1. Aeroc would have healed, he was trying to accept that he can’t be with kloff. But kloff kept egging him and humiliating it…
I hope you think about it… season 1 is about a punisher playing God who tried to toy with two people and in the end he lost both. Rapiel and Aeroc doesn’t deserve that piece of shit tbh…
I didn't say Klopp was justified in doing what he did. Maybe to himself (IN HIS POV), it was justified in some sort of way but he himself says he was consumed by his hatred and I believe he believed he went too far. Like I said, if someone were to take away your everything, you might be consumed by the sweet thought of revenge to make the person suffer as much as possible whether it was a fair trade or not. But after the revenge, you'll prob feel empty bc what you have lost will forever be lost, never to gain it back again and on top of that, you tortured somebody else to make yourself feel better temporarily but even the anger and resentment is gone bc the object of rage is gone.
I didn't say he's a justified executioner but I DID say he's also at fault. I don't really think this story is commenting on whether what he did was right/wrong or justified. It's simply focusing on this vicious cycle of revenge and hatred.
On another note, tt is also never fully explained how Klopp felt about Rapiel in the first timeline. You're just assuming he didn't love Rapiel when they show us how destroyed he was when he found his dead pregnant mate in the alleyway. I can't comment too much on the 3rd timeline bc its not out yet and I didn't read it.
You're misinterpreting what I said. I simply said I don't hate Kloff bc I see his side and can understand why he did what he did. I completely acknowledge that what Kloff did was bring more hurt.
That's the point of this story. What the story is trying to tell us is, what he did, didn't make anything better. Nobody said it did. That's why its a vicious cycle of karma, revenge, and hatred. Karma is defined as somebody's actions resulting in whatever consequences or future events come after.
Nobody said its justified OBJECTIVELY. That literally doesn't matter in Kloff's eyes. What matters is what Kloff thinks and how he views this bc in the end, its HIS ACTIONS that cause everything to turn to shit. You can literally sit Kloff down and explain to him how monstrous and wrong he is and he still wouldn't give two shits bc TO HIM, it does not fucking matter.
His revenge was twisted in itself bc he did feel affection for Aeroc and of course guilt towards Rapiel but at the end of the day, Aeroc CHOSE to punish Rapiel which ended in his death. You can't just blame Kloff just bc he gloated towards Aeroc. You're literally blaming ONLY Kloff, saying his actions make him terrible and yet for Aeroc's actions, you then blame Kloff again? What happened to each character being responsible for their own actions? Aeroc isn't responsible for choosing to send thugs to "punish" Rapiel but only Kloff is?
You might be pulling more details from the novel but I am simply basing this off the manhwa. The gloating and humiliation was very minor in the manhwa but still didn't justify Aeroc's reaction and choices thereafter. So you could say the same about both Aeroc and Kloff. Idk about his twins having defects and of course I can imagine the trauma these kids will experience but that is besides the point, since I wasn't talking about the kids in the first place.
Don't assume that I think Kloff is a good person just bc I defend him and don't hate him. They all played a part in this tragedy, some more than others but regardless,
Aeroc’s action wasn’t excusable, I know that. but if you look at the bigger picture. In the manhwa, Aeroc was talking to Viscount Derbyshire, Kloff brought Rapiel and he kissed Rapiel while looking at Aeroc. It’s like poking a hornets nest.. and hoping it doesn’t sting anyone close by. For me personally, Kloff should have just been happy with Rapiel and left Aeroc alone. Why go to where Aeroc is and purposefully egged him by showing off ‘Hey look! I choose Rapiel!’
So for me.. it’s really Kloff… he made this hell. In Season 2, he described his marriage as peaceful and dull. So it’s like small hints why world 1 was shit. He wanted to spice his marriage by using Rapiel as an object to be envied.
This is why I hate Kloff… he could have lived happily with Rapiel, but he chose to do all those things so he can keep holding onto Aeroc as well. What’s the purpose of this mind games? Aeroc could have genuinely found a better relationship if he was allowed to heal, but instead he was dragged down by that monster.
If you’re going to say that he should have known better. You’re right. Aeroc fell from grace by allowing himself to be dragged into this cesspool, but you have to understand that this has been months of harassment. You don’t need the manhwa or the novel spell it out… the fact you see how big Rapiel’s stomach is like the time frame of how many times he keeps egging Aeroc.
Aeroc should have taken that cruise.. that was his mistake. He should have left the capital and gave himself some time to think. But he regretted it what he did to Rapiel… but Kloff… God he used his wife death as ammunition to do what he wanted.
Aeroc was a sinner, but Kloff is the fucking monster. He didn’t get any real punishment. The imprinting sucks, but he didn’t exactly get any punishment for his crimes. It’s really biased.
Where is this assumption that Kloff has harassed Aeroc for MONTHS? You say we don't need the manhwa/novel to spell it out, then how would we know? I do see when I look back that a couple of times, Kloff did antagonize and humiliate Aeroc but that was only 2-3 times. But Aeroc also insulted Kloff and Rapiel a couple of times as well. Also Kloff didn't really purposely go to Aeroc to do it in front of him. Many times, it just so happens that they cross paths and Kloff notices the envy from Aeroc's face and proceeds to egg him on that ONE or TWO times. Regardless, Aeroc still chose to do what he did.
You make it sound as if Kloff didn't regret what he did but he did and it is very clear in chapter 21/ Furthermore, he did suffer the consequences of his actions especially after Aeroc died. The imprinting part you're talking about is a big aspect of this entire story that for some reason isn't being brought up. If it is indeed true, that he imprinted on Aeroc from the beginning, that sort of explains the obsession, the needs to dominate/conquer Aeroc, and the aggressiveness. But I can't say much since imprinting is not explained in this story yet.
For S2, it was clear that he had developed affection and attraction towards Aeroc and shied away bc of their difference in status. I wouldn't consider that spicing up his marriage or courtship since he really tried to stay away in the 2nd Season. And like I said, we don't fully know how Kloff felt in S1 from beginning to end. The events in S1 also affect Kloff in S2 as shown when he can't explain why he feels a certain way.
So is your point that Kloff is a worst than Aeroc bc the author didn't choose to give him "enough" punishment for his crimes? That sounds like an author/writing problem. Not really a Kloff problem. It seems you're very one-sided which is understandable since we read from Aeroc's POV in the first place. I just think they both suffered and sure Aeroc more so than Kloff but both of their actions put them in that situation in the first place. It's not one-sided where only Kloff was the reason for it all.
You should read novel so you understand the gravity of how bad he torture Aeroc… it’s was cut because of how terrifying it is. How bad it got.. but if you have a weak stomach don’t go near it.
I’m not going to argue with you because I’ll be spoiling the whole book… I read volume 1-6. And seeing as you haven’t read it, it’s not going anywhere and it would be unfair to spoil it.
I enjoyed reading this book because if you read the novel it’s like this giant puzzle piece but in the eyes of AU characters. By the way, I gave that piece of shit, Bendyke a chance. Like you said, both characters had both their faults in book 1.
Kloff pov in book 2. I never hated someone, I was expecting this confident and bright young man. Aeroc spoke so highly of him in book 1, that reading his thoughts made me say ‘Wow, what a piece of shit.’ I understand the hesitation in pursuing Aeroc, his a Count, an alpha and so on. So, his thoughts and how he proceed with his actions were like clues why his like this and that in book 1 but amplified because of his obsession with the imprint. So book 2-3 proved that his a selfish, greedy, inferiority complex, coward and a user.
In book 5 it explores Aeroc without memories. It really made me angry not because Aeroc was not actually bad. But because of how entitled Kloff was. Even in his return, he was still the same piece of shit. You see his part to play in this tragedy.
You wouldn’t understand until you read the whole book. But one thing is for sure and I’ve confirmed reading everything even the authors note, Kloff’s the favorite… she only blames Aeroc, so it is a author problem. I read book 1 and it was inhumane, that’s why I couldn’t understand how people could stand Kloff he dehumanized Aeroc to the point he was nothing. Even defending him. But I guess it’s each to their own. And of course she won’t detail every harassment, it was also a brief description in the novel like Kloff always brought Rapiel with him. I mean she defended both Martha and Kloff in AN so that speaks a lot. Rapiel in the manhwa looked like he was having a tough time being dragged around, but that’s how Kloff valued his partner, but he was just a tool to forget Aeroc. When that didn’t work he became the tool to spice his marriage, if you read how he said it would be so boring and peaceful… like what’s so terrible about that? It’s subtle hints… like I said it’s a giant puzzle piece, you have to dissect the book. But some who did still defends Kloff to my horror… but again it’s each to their own. Especially after reading book 5-6, the If stories is another can of worms. I feel bad it was dmca so you can’t read it.
But if you did… you’ll understand why a lot of people here hate Kloff and don’t defend him. When his motivation got more clearer in his own return (vol5), it made me feel… wow you really created this hell. He did admit that OG aeroc was the devil he created. He couldn’t even face Rapiel out of guilt, but he was damn rude to him. He was glad his foolishness didn’t spread in this second chance.
Which was also the case in the If stories, which was sad… because he should have either left Aeroc alone or have let Rapiel had the chance to be with someone who truly love him. How kloff tried explaining it made me just cry and angry… book 6 pissed me off to eternity that I was just happy Aeroc died in book 1.
Even season 2 manhwa cut a lot of things out. It’s unfair for you… Kloff isn’t a bastard in the s2 manhwa.. so our discussion won’t reach any conclusion, manhwa just took pieces of both books. In the novel it’s a lot more horrible even book 2.. book 3 chap 8.. Kloff was really a horrible character the only good thing was when he started being true to himself and worked hard to be a better man… he saw how selfish he was and actually became decent.
which admittedly in book 5, people got cheated since it was cut after Kloff’s confession of his thoughts about the tragedy… it wasn’t shown how he took this chance, because even at the end he was truly a huge asshole.
Like I said… this wouldn’t be a fun debate without you reading the novel. But honestly… reading this made me think if Aeroc move on from Kloff would his marriage with Rapiel still been a happy one? I don’t think so, if you can talk so crappy about having a boring relationship it wouldn’t be a good marriage. The line ‘Aeroc can’t be in love with anyone else,’ is very telling, but it’s up to how you interpret it. Sadly the problem was kloff was the only option unfortunately… so you can’t explore how would both characters would grow with their own families.
That is a fair point. I agree, since you read the novel and I did not, this convo won't go anywhere. I assumed from your comments that Kloff was a pretty terrible person in the novels. I don't think I will read or be able to read the novels to be honest but I don't mind spoilers either. I think the choice to cut out certain parts from the manhwa was a smart choice bc it clearly makes Kloff less of an asshole. I prefer the manhwa since you mentionned how bad it gets in the novel. It completely does not surprise me that the author made Kloff to be a fucking asshole but also romantize him and only blame Aeroc bc OF COURSE they do. I read my fair share of shitty romance books or shitty manhwas to know that much. I do wonder if the novels make him out to be so bad, were the novels very popular that it resulted in a manhwa adaptation?
Anyway, it was still nice to debate a little. Thanks.
It was fun. Book 2 onwards isn’t as scary as book 1… book 1 took me a month to finish with all the breaks, but onwards it’s fun dissecting it! Especially with the small pieces about the books, paintings.. and small clues about both characters think
What makes book 2 scary is Kloff’s mindset. He comes as this arrogant, entitled, coward with a case of inferiority complex. I truly believe he did love Rapiel, maybe with time, but how he thought of him as means to achieve his goal of a normal relationship. In the novel after their breakup, Rapiel cried he truly loved Kloff… Kloff after their talk, he threw the ring in his desk and immediately forgot about it. Since you don’t mind spoilers… well he’ll find out that Aeroc’s an omega and he’ll proceed to coerce him to be with him and have a baby with him. He wanted assurances that Aeroc is his, without considering how rude he was or Aeroc’s ptsd (we readers know) but Aeroc ultimately agreed to this because of fear.. kloff said “ If you have any thoughts of not liking me or not wanting to bear my child, just give up. You don’t have a choice.” And then he hears that he’ll be allowed to be a mother, he was crying asking ‘I can be a mother?’ He wasn’t mentally prepared for this but that longing made him agree. The situation does improve, but it’s sad that you don’t see healing but more of love solves everything. It’s a good story… i would still recommend it, but it’s not a love story.
As for Kloff’s second chance… it was horrible. I mean I get why he attacked Aeroc, he thought he was in hell. But his following actions and mindset solidified my dislike for him. He was waiting for Aeroc to hurt Rapiel… he would say “that’s right nothing has happened yet.” Which this clueless Aeroc (he doesn’t have memories or so on) thought it’s like his waiting for me to commit a crime. And when Kloff saw nothing happened and Aeroc’s anger towards his treatment, it clicked… he changed after that, he was acting nice and remorseful. He had to make Aeroc take a bad fall first (this is how he got to reinsert himself back in Aeroc’s life, knowing how bad Aeroc was with financial literacy.) this was a hated arc, it’s a good arc for other reasons if you like diving deep in the complexity of how peace literally smoothers Kloff. It’s hated because Kloff settled that he’ll never be with his Og aeroc, so it’s an ambiguous ending if AU aeroc is a replacement or a tool for his atonement. Which is sad. Because this Aeroc who hated him at first.. genuinely fell in love with him.
You know how I found out she didn’t really see Aeroc or Rapiel other than as props. Her AN she mixed up their description… it was so sad. I write as a hobby… but it hurt me to see her mix those things up. The hair and eye color. And Kloff’s childhood and so on were more detailed than Aeroc’s, its sad. You can see from the description how much she enjoyed writing Kloff more than Aeroc… it’s true that this book gained popularity not just because of Aeroc’s crimes but more of how Kloff dealt with it, the book 1 was screaming with all that intense suffering. Kloff is character you either love or hate so you’ll keep reading it. The complexity of his character is really well written unlike Aeroc who is still breaking out of his shell because of the abuse he suffered from his dad.
Anyway hope this gives you a bit of an insight. If stories on the hand is the route if Aeroc survives, it was cute at first all the kids were just so happy to see their mom. While Aeroc was just so happy he kept thanking Kloff. What broke me here was how Rapiel’s death and Aeroc’s suffering was tackled, like I get that Wolflake was going to expose everything so Aeroc had to work with Kloff. But how all that suffering he went through was invalidated, like I can’t love you or be happy because Rapiel’s death would mean nothing. It make sense, but at least don’t invalidate what you did to Aeroc.. it was never going to be ever okay, but it just sucked for Aeroc. Let me message you