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yes. hes apart of the CIA/FBI (cant remember for the life of me) and is posing undercover as one of the mercifuls. ross has been a problem for a while so theyve been aiming to get rid of him, but efforts are just now ramping up.

jake is a "good guy" insofar as the actual CIA/FBI are good guys. so... not lol. he is morally dubious at best.

yeah i think the art direction and storyboarding of this manhwa is really good but the script writing is pretty weak- i feel like whoever wrote it just took it straight from the novel instead of trying to adapt it better to a visual format. like this pacing would be okay in the novel format, but it's too lengthy for a manhwa. way too much exposition.

and i agree they should have focused more on trying to make some parts more relevant so that there would have been an impact from the revelations but now it just all feels the same and you're not sure where you're supposed to feel what.

I agree. The potential is there and the story is good, just execution leaves a bit to be desired.

Me personally I love how in depth the exposition is (=・ω・=)

This is something I’ve been wondering about a lot lately like idk why the new generation keeps posting about illegal websites like it’s no big deal

came here to say this but you already did, so thank you, just gonna piggy back off of this.

to everyone; this is piracy. we are reading free-shit, illegally. REMEMBER: we are not entitled to free-shit. the author has a right to be mad. so being pissy at the author is really immature. you should be pissy at everyone who can't keep a secret. this is speakeasy shit people, and if you can't comprehend that, you really should save up your lunch money and just buy the damn chapters. otherwise, you're ruining it for everyone else.

I actually just realized this has happened only with manhwas (correct me if I'm wrong) but maybe we shouldn't have manhwas then bc these dumbasses be posting about MANHWAS.

it's been happening with online stories a lot, so even japanese ones as well. i know that manga authors particularly are not happy about piracy either, but their comments always stem from they have physically sales, and online scantalations can impede their physical sales (their only form of income). i know that digital manhwa authors do feel particularly spurred because sites like lehzin take most of their sales anyway, so piracy really particularly feels bitter to them.

Over the recent years, manhwas have overtaken manga in popularity due to the colors, art, and how it's easy to read because of how the panels are sized and situated. Koreans are also the most vocal about the piracy thing cos of their online culture - imagine having a Japanese having a public crash out It's just that Koreans, are well, not always the best. The bullying in manhwas are not exaggerated. You see how their celebrities are treated online? I did not expect Euja to be like that but I was not surprised either. Just disappointing. But I saw comment below who has a black/white outlook that we're not allowed to support her because we're still illegal readers. Doesn't mean we don't have empathy and can't understand where she's coming from. These new gen have no empathy, and are entitled fucks. If we lose the entire site, it's on them, not the authors

Omgieee so this is the reason why Painter of the Night isn’t here? wtf

This right here!!

i love when artists create a story for the love of the game

I'll take janky ass eyes over abusive anyday

That is fair LOL. But ML is also lowkey a little pushy/sus.

I freaking swear !! He isn’t the best but fuckkk he’s better than most !

Because people be too emotional when they comment now. Can't expect any mature thought process in bl comment sections on here.

He’s not horrible, he’s just an ass at times for no good reason. Even his thoughts are nicer than what he chooses to say to MC. Like you think he’ll act nice/respectful towards MC cause he’s thinking like a normal person, only for him to act the opposite. (Like that time he fcked the mc in the bathroom).

just because he's better than that horse we shouldn't point out his wrongdoings?

that's what im saying lol the bar is in hell

Gurl.....ur going to the wrong point.
The point made was regarding how "ATLEAST" the seme here is better than jaeshit.
Some of the readers are acting as if this particular SEME is the worst (like as if they haven't read other more toxic seme than this).
And so comparing Jaeshit and this seme.
Atleast this Seme is better and has some few limits

Lol ikr. The bar for MLs are so low at this point.

just bec he's better DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T COMPLAIN?! wtf

i seriously can't believe people like this exist am so baffled

it’s kind of funny how you’re getting mad just because people are calling out the seme for being trash. like, sorry we’re not giving him a free pass just because he’s ‘not as bad’ as jaekyung? that’s such a weird standard. LOL. 'he’s less garbage than the worst one we’ve seen, so let’s all be nice!’ naaah. wrong is still wrong, no matter the comparison. also, maybe focus less on defending toxic behavior and more on fixing your grammar :)) it’s giving ‘missed the point and the sentence structure ;)))

I wonder whose ACTUALLY MAD here(?) ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Did I mentioned any offensive words? I just replied because some of y'all still don't get the point and still now too.
And more funnier: trying to tell a random stranger who you don't even knw to "fix your grammar".
Gurl don't be mad just because you found my comment offensive, I can get that you need more "fixing" of your "understanding and comprehensive skill" rather than my grammer mistakes(?) but I bet you're so high-fi that even a mistake are not understandable for you.
Sorry to know that.
It's not even that deep but continue~
Ain't wasting my time on empty vasselsΣ( ￣□￣||)

After seeing and experiencing stuff in real life. I think this guy is a lot better than most.

That was never my point... you guys are acting like he is the worst POS in this type of story. When there are so many similar stories/plotlines with way worse MLs. Not saying you shouldn't complain but the complaints are so exaggerated. This story has NUANCE. He isn't completely a "green flag" bc he gets something out of this contractual relationship too and he is not us, the reader, which is why he does not entirely understand what is happening.

Thank you for understanding my point. I realized I prob should not have dragged Jaekyung into this comment as ppl just laser focus on that point.

talk about comprehension, lol. you literally wrote a whole essay while missing the entire point again. stay pressed, ig.

to begin with, why are you so pressed about people complaining about the ml? just because he’s 'better' than others doesn’t mean people aren’t allowed to call out his flaws. y’all setting the bar way too low if ‘not being the worst’ is enough to defend his actions. let people critique fiction without acting like it’s a personal attack.

MF literally asked why the ML is getting so much backlash then say this was never your point? 'there are so much worse than him so we shouldn't call him out for his wrongdoings' ahh

Being a yaoi dick rider must have been nice

They literally said we shouldn't be mad at the ML bec mf's better than most of the seme such as jaekyung LOL I PUKED

I never acted like I was pressed. It really seems more like you're pressed bc I defended the ML. When did I say you guys cannot complain about him? I also defended him bc of his character's positive attributes that I listed. If you want to debate, at least bring up some specific points about him being an asshole. Again, never said he didn't act like an asshole. He has some asshole moments.

like.. "better" than someone else doesn't change the fact that hes a fuckass abuser! he's taking advantage of someone's weakness for his own benifit, and has the audacity to humiliate the guy on a daily basis for absolutely no reason

You guys seem to lack comprehension. I was replying to STEWIE's comment about "just bec he's better DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T COMPLAIN?!" Again, I touched on the comparison but NEVER said you shouldn't complain but focused rather on how excessively you guys are hating on him. I brought up points for why he isn't that bad of a character but you guys are not bringing any examples to back your opinions.

When did I say this? --> 'there are so much worse than him so we shouldn't call him out for his wrongdoings' (bc you're referencing that with quotations...)

You just keep going on about how I compared him to other MLs and how that isn't a reason to not complain about him. When that was only one small aspect of my comment and the rest is actually talking about how this character's behaviors point to a better characterization of this type of ML that we have seen across manhwas/mangas.

You need to look up the word "abuser". They both signed a contract AND MC is not a child and KNOW this contract was to the ML's advantage but still chose to sign it for his own protection. He is desperate to use the ML as a shield. Now that does not mean ML is not stepping over his bounds and being a dickhead sometimes. Pretty sure if I remember correctly, one of the clauses for the contract was he has to fulfill ML's desires. Ml 100% has a bit of a sadistic streak and is using the contract to his advantage but again, there are so many moments where its shown, he has boundaries and actually has a heart. He sometimes knows when to back off and when to stop and give MC a break.

If you’re wondering why the ML is getting hate and comparing him to worse ones to defend him, how is that not implying we shouldn't be criticizing him as much?
You’re just mad people aren't letting the ML off the hook just because he’s 'better than others.' LMFAO
You say we l'ack comprehension', but your whole comment revolves around minimizing his faults while asking why others don’t agree with that take.
What an L

It’s funny how the OP centered their entire post on questioning why the ML was getting so much backlash (literally how they opened it ) and then went on to compare him to “dogshit Jaekyung” to show he’s not that bad. That clearly downplays the ML’s faults just because there are worse characters out there. Then they have the nerve to say we lack comprehension, when they couldn’t even grasp the simple point of “just because he’s better doesn’t mean we shouldn’t complain,” despite their entire post implying otherwise.

Yaoi dick riders want us so bad to stop complaining, bashing the ML, pointing their wrongdoings, and etc,... just because there's much more worse than them. LMFAOOOO

I've made my point. There's not really a productive way of talking about this since you just keep going on about the title of my comment. If you ever looked at my previous comments, I wouldn't consider myself a "yaoi dick rider" but you do you. I had a more nuanced opinion on this character and by the looks of it, many others agree. I don't see him as the abominable monster you see but a nuanced character who is an asshole sometimes but largely, a more complex character SO FAR. I actually would've loved a more constructive convo but I see that's not how this would go. It's the fact that you forego everything else I said in my comment and ONLY focused on Jaekyung part.

You say I only focused on the Jaekyung part, but that was a key part of your original post and set the tone for how you framed your entire argument, comparing ML to someone worse to soften criticism. It’s not that I ignored your “nuance,” it’s that your main point came across as “he’s not that bad, so why the backlash?” which is still deflection.
If you truly wanted a constructive convo, maybe don’t start by calling others out for hating on the ML, then act surprised when people respond critically.
You can't frame your post that way and expect everyone to read it as neutral.

Gurl...
Just leave them be, since they've already used the word "mad", next is "pressed", and later we never knw~
They're just trying to accuse us of their own emotions.
I literally commented with not much thought trying to put it in simple words regarding what you meant but it seems to them I was "mad".
It's like "pouring water in a bucket with holes on the sides".
There was no mentioning of "don't attack the seme". But it seems comprehension left the chat.

It’s honestly hilarious how you claim you “commented with not much thought” — like, yeah, it really shows. You’re acting like you’re above it all, saying we’re just projecting emotions, but in reality, you’re the one throwing around exaggerated metaphors and trying to play the victim. Saying “comprehension left the chat” while completely missing the point yourself is wild. No one ever said you explicitly told us not to attack the seme — but your entire tone and defense clearly implied it. The irony really writes itself.

not your, it rlly shows how they commented with not much thought. THAT IS WILD AF

Just your average yaoi dick riders, commenting without much thought and basically wanting everyone to stop pointing out the ML’s wrongdoings just because he's 'better' than most garbage-tier MLs.

No they didn't the first sentence literally states "Why are people bashing the ML?" In no part of that did they state dont bash him it was a question. Then they said examples from his point of view on how you should try to understand why he's acting the way he's acting.

I feel like your whole comment wasn't read. Yea mentions Jae could set people off because people don't like any character that isn't up the MC ass in these stories regardless of reasons. I know for one if some dude came to ME asking for sex and a contract relationship with all of those toxic/bad rumors surrounding their name I wouldn't fully trust them nor believe everything he says. He hasn't even seen the stuff Yigons brother is doing to him nor is Yigon explaining the situation right. If Yigon gets to the point where he hates the way the ML is treating him then riot. Its not like the ML is beating on him, drugging him, making him do stuff he doesn't want to do so yes some of the complaints are exaggerated but I just let people be most of the time because of how people will respond like you are raping the MC yourself.

You're right that they didn’t 'literally' say “don’t bash him,” but let’s not act like the whole post wasn’t written in defense of the ML.
Starting with “why is he getting backlash?” and following it with comparisons to worse characters and excuses for his behavior is a clear rhetorical move to downplay criticism. So while the words weren’t explicitly said, the IMPLICATION was there. Context matters! Not everything has to be spoon-fed to get the point.

++ Thus, our point still stands: we can criticize the ML despite him being “better” than Jaekyung or whatever other shitass seme y’all love. Being the lesser evil doesn’t make him a saint. Don't make the bar too low when it comes to yaoi semes, it doesn't make them sleep with you.

Thats a weird comment thinking I'm reading this because I want him to sleep with me or me or anyone else who can think about both point of views objectively is just horny. Why you got to result to insults when someone doesn't agree with you is mad weird and immature. If you want to be blind to everything but what Yigon does so be it but try to read people whole statements then try to understand before talking out of hand. And as it was said no one said dont complain they are confused on why the hate is to the extreme as it is for worse characters no one said Taekang is a Saint.

It’s always amusing how some people interpret a pointed critique as a personal attack. My comment wasn’t about you SPECIFICALLY wanting him to sleep with you— it was a general jab at the way some folks defend these seme like their lives depend on it. If that stung, maybe reflect on why. LOL.
You can talk about “objectivity” all day, but the moment you dismiss others’ valid criticisms as “extreme,” it shows you're more interested in tone-policing than actual discussion. ┐( ∵ )┌
Nobody's denying nuance, but brushing off bad behavior just because “worse exists” isn’t the winning argument you think it is. ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ

Uhhh have you guys met scum trying to impress women by lying about getting a million dollar sports car when he clearly can't afford it?

This guy is rich and pretty. Only the personality department is lacking. He's got enough to have a big head. Ever met ugly, not so rich guys with a big(pig) head? I only wish to meet a guy with decent personality with decent income be it ugly or pretty but that's Soooo impossible so I think the ML is fine as fk.

Let me quote some of the things you've said, and I would urge you to read them again:
*** "he isn't that bad of a character"
*** "being a dickhead sometimes"
*** "he sometimes knows when to back off and when to stop"
*** "nuanced character who is an asshole sometimes"
if I'm understanding you correctly, the reason you're defending him is because he isn't ALWAYS bad. However, "sometimes" still indicates habitual behavior and we've all seen it. All the rest of us have been saying is that him being "better" than others who are worse, does not make him a good guy by any standard and doesn't absolve him of his actions and the humiliating ways he's treated MC so far. He has had no reason to be such an asshole to MC, but he chooses to be because has the upper hand and he knows it. Just because he's not drugging him or beating him up actively doesn't make his actions any less wrong. So comparisons to other characters in general are unnecessary and poor logic to use when pointing out trashy and borderline abusive behavior displayed by characters. Being "bound by circumstance" is never an excuse for treating others poorly with little to no respect, which is how he's been treating MC. You asked "why the excessive hate?" and people answered. If you see him as a "not so bad" and "nuanced" character instead of the fuckass that he is, then that's your prerogative. If you focus on the story without comparing him to others, he hasn't done anything worth defending, and everything worth criticizing. That's all we've been saying. and I hope you have a nice day!

We literally used simple words specifically so the point wouldn’t be missed, yet somehow they still claim we “didn’t get it” or that we “lack comprehension.” It’s funny how they fail to understand their own post, which clearly implied they wanted the criticism to stop/lessen just because the ML isn’t as bad as others. Like, pokie isn't pokieing—being the lesser evil doesn’t mean he’s above being called out. (ಠ_ಠ)

It didn't sting I said its a weird comment to make when nothing was said to even get to that point. And the "extreme" comment can be like you said a "general" comment yet it got your panties in a tizzy. As you have your critiques about to ML we have our own yet the ones retaliating resulting to insults and arguing like yall can't even hold a debate without getting emotional is crazy. There isn't no win or lose idk why this is a competition for you and it seems like you are fishing for a argument and I'm not talking to you out of emotion like you are so let's agree to disagree because it seems like you aren't reading what I'm saying and just reading small bits and flying with it. Good Day lol

It's funny how you claimed I’m emotional while writing a whole paragraph sounding exactly like that. If me calling out a tired defense of a mid ML gets your wires crossed, maybe take a step back and ask why that struck a nerve. LOL. You say “agree to disagree” but keep jumping back in—so which is it?

I’ve already made my point clear (in simple terms too, mind you), but it’s not my fault if you still can't comprehend. It’s not about “winning”—it’s about holding your fav accountable without defaulting to “he’s not the worst.” Try again when you’re ready for an actual discussion. xoxo

Ok What about the points when I brought up WITHOUT comparing him to other semes? Again emphasis on the "so much" backlash that I was questioning. Your reference to "isn't always bad" is a realistic fact about real people. Nobody can be 100% "good" and most ppl do some questionable, borderline bad behaviors, but that doesn't always make them bad people inherently. People can be good and do bad things. My reasoning for defending him isn't that he isn't ALWAYS bad but rather the positive behaviors he has exhibited and inner thoughts point to a character that isn't inherently bad. But I'm also basing it off of what we know right now.

All the signs of being mentally unstable is there, at this point, the mc doesn’t even need to verbally tell cause his actions are definitely FAR from normal. Even his clinginess screams desperation rather than love. Let’s not put ‘rational’ thought here, the hate on ml is valid cause he doesn’t really care about the mc, he’s only using him as well. It’s not fair when the balance is not balancing. Everything is on Yigon’s disadvantage. And the mf ML lacks A HUGE emotional intelligence and nearly bordering being dense