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Bruh then u have not been online cause everytime I hear about any of those it's about how brutally SA the characters were, it's not only this story...the authtor is also a major part of it cause she states stuff she saw the scenes in Jinx as "love scenes that she likes all equally" and doesn't acknowledge that it's SA cuz she says Dan is not a victim

If you want to criticize jinx for containing toxic/messed up themes then at least hold other popular bls with the same accountability instead of being biased towards your faves. I'm not defending the toxic tropes in Jinx btw! I just don't like hypocrisy

I promise u people call out those books for sa and shit but get criticized for doing so. Im not sure if ur defending this book but if u are, ur weird and also all the manhwas u mentioned, including this one are in my avoid list

Yup most of the people who read stories like jinx are like that sadly.... excusing their favorites cause the characters are "hot" "badass" or whatever excuse they come up with....jaekyung just happens to not be put on a podium by these mindless readers surprisingly...

Personally the only other BL I’ve heard of from this list is Painter Of The Night, and…I most certainly do recall it getting heavy backlash for its depictions of rape and sexual assault lol. I can’t say whether or not that backlash is warranted because I hardly remember that story now LMAO but. The reason why this one is getting backlash is likely simply because it’s popular? Amongst other reasons but. Yeah. People are only going to go after things they know about, after all.

Besides that I’ve definitely also seen (and participated in!) discussions about the overall trend of BL to have rape/sexual assault depicted in them. Just because you’re not in the space where it’s happening doesn’t mean it’s not happening, you know?

Like the only reason why I’m hearing about Jinx at all is because a certain video essay got into my feed and I came to read through the whole Webtoon before I watched it so I’d have my own thoughts and opinions already and I’d be able to evaluate that persons points properly.

Read my other reply- I'm not in anyway defending it! From what I've seen in the comment sec of the manwhas I've mentioned- they rarely get criticism for containing these themes. I've only seen massive amounts of hate with Jinx in particular

I've actually called out Painter of the Night awhile ago, and 2 people ended up excusing the content despite me literally articulating what happened and why it's wrong. It's not that were being hypocrites, it's just that people who call out problematic stuff like these gets harassed. I myself am surprised on how many readers have come to call out Jinx right now, but I'm more glad for it. Maybe rather than saying that we're not doing anything and are being hypocrites by not calling out those you've listed, you can otherwise just call out stuff like this as well.

I haven't called out more problematic manhwas either because I haven't read them, or haven't seen content enough to elaborate on points. Usually I just don't read stuff I know I won't like, but when I do read them I comment.

And yes, just because you don't see them doesn't mean it's not happening, a lot of call out comments get buried.

Dan is a victim but where does the author state that specifically? I don't follow the author so I wouldn't know. Also, other manwhas I mentioned do occasionally get called out but not to the same extent as jinx has! Usually the ml is excused for his actions by readers.

I have been on that space but I still don't see the level of hate reciprocated equally for other bl's. I'm not saying there is absolutely no criticism of the other bls I've mentioned but it's not on the same level simply. Hope that makes sense!

I don't care about calling out anything. I like messed up stories but am self aware that they contain disturbing/messed up themes. It's like I stated, I don't like when readers choose to defend and hate on manwhas that practically have the same themes. I don't support people who excuse toxic behaviors/themes like rape or abuse btw

But that's how discourse works, I'm not going to force you in calling out anything as well, and yes you're aware that they're problematic. But it's not a problem for one manhwa to get called out heavily than the others, that just means one community is finally being more aware than the other? If more readers who are aware reads the same manhwa and call it out then it's simply inevitable for it to have more criticism. It doesn't mean that we're cherry picking, it simply means we're not in the same fandom or not reading the same stuff. I get what you're saying but? What do you want us to do? Stop? Or go instigate another war onto a manhwa we don't read or know?

Also there's litterly nothing to be done. Authors will continue making these types of stories bc they like these types of tropes. I dont like the fact that people are trying to defend the ml's actions either. At the end of the day it's the readers choice to read something else- I don't have the right to dictate what people are allowed to read or not and I would think it would be common sense that the ml is committing rape. I have called out and will continue to call out people who victim blame or defend rape

Yeah I think ik which vid essay you are referring to. I had to reread jinx and try to remember what happened throughout the story so I would follow along with what the yt creator was talking abt

I wouldn't say there's nothing to be done, carefully articulating faults within a manhwa like what people are doing now, has other curious eyes become hesitant in reading them, plus it educates them about rights and wrongs. It's small progress yes, but progress nonetheless. If more people gets educated then it wouldn't be a fan favorite trope anymore, or something of the like. Or at the very least, people won't romanticize rape or assault as something romantic or sexy. You know? It's not a useless endeavor altogether.

I totally agree with you and don't mean to be hostile but my original comment was probably not directed towards your side of the community. I'm referring to the community that already reads and enjoys these types of stories and themes. That community does cherry pick from what I've seen and I don't necessarily expect people who hate these types of stories to do anything bc nothing would change in the first place. These types of themes have always existed even outside of bl media and I'm sure the authors wouldn't care either way since these types of stories have helped their career

I agree with your point to some extent but that's why it's 18+ content. I would assume people who are excusing rape and abuse are minors and I do think it helps educate younger readers abt not romantizising these types of stories, but at the end of the day these tropes have existed since the beginning of yaoi/bl. This type of discourse has been around for decades but I totally agree that talking abt it helps warn younger readers

Yeah I agree- It should be very clear to readers that the ml is committing rape and I would say emotional abuse. I think the people excusing these behaviors are minors tbh

I agree to your take to some extent as well, but I personally know readers who aren't minors that don't understand rape, SA, abuse etc. they act the same as the minors who defend manhwas like these, and even romanticize said toxic behavior. Yes it has been here for decades, but there's no wrong in calling it out, educating consumers, and pushing for more healthy tropes at the front than this.

I 100% agree! My original comment was simply to bring to light how readers shouldn't favor one story over the other when they carry similar toxic tropes. I think it's just very scary how influential people are in general to not understand very blatant rape. I personally don't like scrutinizing others for liking toxic tropes/manwha though and don't think there's anything wrong for preferring manwha like jinx then healthier/wholesome alternatives. In BL it's very unavoidable in general to not stumble across something like Jinx and I think it's good that you are choosing to educate those types of people.

I see other works get criticized all the time but I think the main factor as to why Jinx pops up the most is because of the popularity of Mingwa and her widely known Manhwa themselves.
You can't be into BL Manhwa without having to come across Jinx at least once in your life whether you want to or not.
From what I've seen, more than half of BL readers name BJ Alex as their first Manhwa for the genre and regard it as a classic and favorite to this day.

nah man, this is weird didn't jaekyung and dan come to an agreement of havin sex and jaekyung paying him 4 it, then ion see why you niggas consider it as SA bro, DAN is literally gettin fucking said bro, jaekyung didn't do anything without DAN consent brah he agreed at the v beginnin as far as I remember

Even if he agreed in the beginning- it's clear Dan didn't want to do it in many of the Jinx chapters. Dan even tells jaekyung to use condoms in one of the chaps, which jaekyung chooses to ignore (that is also considered another form of rape). Dan also clearly said no to doing it in the public showers in the earlier chaps- which is another example of rape. Even if Dan agreed to the contract- it doesn't excuse the fact that Jaekyung ignored Dan's consent and comfort. Just bc he agreed in the beginning doesn't mean Jaekyung has the right to force him to uncomfortable situations and intercourse.

Yeah I agree I think it's a mixture of both popularity and bl becoming more mainstream in general on tiktok from what I've seen.

Yes especially on TikTok, when a new chapter was released at least half of my feed was Jinx lol

putting lost in the cloud in the same spectrum as jinx is absolutely insane.

SA is SA no matter the spectrum. Cirrus kissed Skylar without his consent.

THIS., i am telling the same thing every time this literally has the most generic plot rich guy/ poor guy relationship etc i guess this gets more fame cause the art is good ╮(￣▽￣)╭

All of those are shit on a lot. The fans in the Jinx comments are more delulu though. In those other manhwa, you might find 1 in a 30 comments defending the ml, but here it's like 1 in 10 comments.