nah, what a fkn creep lol. also, what happened to that random guy in the bathroom. He just disappeared
does anyone else find this story kinda boring. Idk why but i find the mc/ml super flat in their personalities
I agree theres not much depth to either of them im honestly just reading it coz its not toxic
I can see why. Personally this is an oasis for someone who reads too much heavy/toxic themes. I find myself rereading this from time to time just to read cute moments XD
Yeah that's fair enough. I think there's surely a healthy inbetween haha
Haha there are those that are a light read with a good amount of drama too but this one have it mostly at the start so I can mostly skip that and enjoy the cute moments XD
There's a huge power imbalance between these characters it's sort of icky. Idk its not a typical toxic yaoi dynamic, but this is not a relationship between equals. Idk I'm in my mid to late 20's and work with teenagers (like 17-19). I'm just not attracted to them, I can see someone that age and think they're good looking, but in a sort of objective detached way. It's fkn weird to me this dude would be someone who's supposedly gone through the entirety of their undergrad, law school and worked their way up in their career then want to sleep with a teenager. Weird.
And he works with abused kids
This is really sad. I think the author depicts pretty well how CSA can have such significant long lasting impacts on one's mental health, ability to form healthy relationships, capacity to trust, to understand boundaries. Just how it impacts healthy development.
The idea of keeping 'shameful' secrets, its all so horrible. Nobody, no child should have to carry that burden.
It also makes me sad that in so many mangas/manwhas there's this obvious societal homophobia. Kissing someone of your own gender shouldn't have to be a 'secret'. I feel for both of them there's this huge weight of internalised shame, for their difficulties with their mental health, their sexuality, their pasts. It actually makes me super sad haha, I guess it's good if the story makes me feel something.
I mean, that’s how it is in real life too. East Asia is a very weird place when it comes to homophobia. On one hand, average people are mostly chill and don’t generally care in places like Japan and SK (well, youngsters in the latter); on the other, though, it’s more of “I don’t care if it’s some stranger but it’s different if it’s someone I know/relate to”, there’s all the taboos and teasing&bullying, not to mention the governments’ positions on the matter. Not even gonna talk abt China bc it’s a dead end for fellow gays.
oh and the amount of BL content coming from east asia is unfortunately not an indicator of how accepting they are of irl LGBTQ+. Literally knew a fujoshi who loved yaoi but thought irl gays were disgusting; another fujoshi who was okay w gays but not lesbians; ANOTHER fujoshi who loved to cross dress but thought trans people were disgusting. Sad, really.
sad thing is anyone could be like that; my stepmom has a gay friend but (used to) think lesbians were gross. thankfully, she’s not like that anymore and she accepted me when i came out
Yeah 100% its so sad to watch Cirrus turn from a survivor to a perpetrator. Definetly hard to read.
Oh I totally agree. I'm not sure where you're from, but the homophobia doesn't present as any less overt in these countries tbh. The don't ask, don't tell with the heapings of societal pressure to fit in with heteronormative standards. It's intense and upsetting.
I was commenting on how non accepting homophobic context is the status quo for heaps of these stories. I think it just reflects the context of the authors themselves.
I guess I was also pointing to the fact of how there's so many secrets for these characters, it's easy for people to (I guess jokingly) comment about communication, going to therapy etc. But how do they untangle any of it - when nobody gets to talk about shit in the first place.
And yes, I think that yaoi is really just fetishized fantasy content for loads of people. I don't think it really correlates with societal acceptance of LBGTQ+ people.
true true, especially the communication thing - most people in real life don’t even get to talk to others about their problems or “secrets”, let alone a therapist.
Also I’ve lived both in countries where you can be persecuted for being openly homosexual and countries that are so open and accepting that it’s tear inducing. The difference is drastic. And, funnily enough, there’s more people who fetishise LGBTQ+ in countries with a high % of homophobia.
Anyhow, I’m glad to see that the times are slowly changing as mental care becomes more and more commonplace and more and more people stop caring about others’ romantic life. ︶︿︶
dude my mom went from calling me
abnormal for liking guys too to openly sharing her sexual experiences with other women in the past LMFAO
This is just sex trafficking.
I also never really understand this concept of taking out huge loans with loan sharks, then kids (particuarly kids underage?) being guarantors. Sure they could physically intimidate a victim/child into paying it back, but how is it remotely enforcable lol. Go to the police. Its just a lame and overdone plot line.
Exactly. The laws are usually very strict when it comes to crimes against minors in every country. Even in some Asian countries which is known to have very lax or corrupted law system, its very strict when it comes to minors and they are still exempted in a lot of legal cases because of their age. You'd think a loan shark would be intelligent enough not to bring minors in his work so as not to attract unwanted attraction from the police or the media.
I hear what you're saying. But I think you're mixing up two different things, there's the age of criminal responsibility and capacity to understand the law, so those under the age of 18 may not get punished or tried as an adult. That's different from crimes against children - which are justifiably punished harshly.
But I guess it's not even that, I'm more referring to the fact teenagers 1) can't be guarantors for loans 2) are unable to sign paperwork that would mean they'd have to pay back a loan. It would just be a void contract. Cause they're always like "look, this is ur fathers siganture right?!" er mate, no.
Even if you inherit a debt (which would be through a bank e.g., like a house mortgage - not some loan shark), you can choose like remove yourself from the inheritance and have any remaining assets go towards the debt.
And if someone if threatening you physically - then that's even more reason to get the police involved. Sorry for the long comment haha.
Bruh, that’s literally what i am saying, albeit in simpler terms. Laws are strict when it comes to minors and there are a lot of things they aren’t allowed to do legally. Not to mention, people get extra sensitive when cases involve a minor so all the more reason to not involve a minor so as not to draw attention from the police or the media.
Oh gosh thank the f#%k u said it!
Idk, I'm not sure if I enjoyed this. But if you think of this a story about miserable, cruel people doing miserable cruel things to each other - then consider it a story well told.
Hahah I love the comments flooding back, so I'm just sharing how banger this story was!! It was genuinely such an interesting and intriguing plot line.
This has like every single toxic ABO trope.....and yet I love it hahah. I have no idea why, I guess I feel the characters have an actual emotional connection that isn't sold has some stupid pheromones fated pair crap. Like, they seem to actually have a chance at falling in love - and it's taking time and effort on the seme's part.
I sincerely love how yugyeom has a sense of palpable contempt for everyone. I feel so often we get MC's who bow out after the slightest level of affection. He's dealing with the being trapped in a horrible situation and has appropriate feelings about it, makes the story way more compelling compared to the typical crap.
Agreed!! He’s so multi-faceted that it’s a breath of fresh air.
So much this!
This plot is unhinged and I'm having a great time hahaha. MC really be putting up with the most