Salem Saberhagen's Topics (315)

agree with you... he is just a lovable perverted stalker... can't help but to fall for him... (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Only thing that missed was the sadistic part, he wasn't very good at that....xD he tried but failed....cute <3

well... I'm not defending Kenji, but he was clearly expecting some kind of reaction from Yocchan (kind of trying to provoque him)... I just wonder what reaction he was expecting..?

I know that he gets off on riling Yocchan up. But Yocchan has always shown that he wants Kenji and wants to be with him. So i don't think Kenji is in any position to "test" him if that was his goal.
I hope that Yocchan gives Kenji that cold shoulder because that seems to have worked the last time that Kenji thought Yocchan was ignoring him.
I won't say that Yocchan should man up, because it's obvious that Kenji would only view that as him being annoying or too pushy or getting ahead of himself.

It's not like that... Pressured or not, people can refuse and defend themselves. Animals can't. And that's where the line is drawn

Agree with Yuta above. The line is the mutual consent and the sound mind to understand the situation they are about to enter.

Animals can't. Babies, toddlers, and children also can't. When that sex star said men and women of all ages, did he implicitly include babies and children as well?

In total agreement with Yuta and chic. Cognitive-mature human beings have the power to 'reason', the ability to make choices, to defend themselves, whereas animals, children and cognitive-impaired adults don't. This is why children are universally deemed so precious, because of their vulnerability, their absolute dependency on adults. On the collective consciousness, to harm a child is considered the most repugnant sin of humanity, precisely because of that. The same principle applies to animals, because they cannot defend themselves from human 'mallice', while an adult human being has the ability to do so.

In my home, we are ardent animal lovers, especially dogs. We adopt strays and have a pack of them. One time my only son, a teenager at the time, jokingly complained that I prioritized our dogs, and I asked him what would he do if he got hungry and I or his father wasn't at home? and he replied the he would order take out or cook something for himself, I then asked him, what would happen if the dogs got hungry but nobody was home, what if nobody would ever come home? and he responded that they would starve...exactly. Domestic animals are absolutely dependent on their human retainers, and they cannot defend themselves against human neglect or human abuse (same goes for wild animals in captivity); from an ethical standpoint, their well being should take priority; however, this is not the reality because of speciesism, which is the erroneous, unethical idea that the human animal is superior to other animals.

This is not an argument in favor of animal rights over human rights, or condoning human rape, abuse, etc. which is unequivocally wrong. This is an argument that from an ethical standpoint, because of their absolute vulnerability to human reason, animal abuse, just like children abuse or cognitive impaired adult abuse, lies on a greater critical dimension.

I agree with you all

However, it's easy for us to say that people can refuse and defend, but there are many people in the porn industry who actually feel that they cannot do that. It's not always that easy to get out of it.

Also, let's say Ibuki did try to get out of it. Something tells me that the men there wouldn't have let him go so easily. He'd either be beaten to a pulp before being chucked out or physically be forced to take part in the sex tape.
He willingly took part probably to stay true to what he said about there being many able bodied men around who could take the chicken's place. And also because he was curious bout what it would be like to have sex with that guy.

Anyway, beastiality is obviously not okay and is disgusting.
I'm thankful that the manga artist didn't go down that road, and only alluded to it.
I also liked that the mangaka added that dialogue by the background characters saying, "it's our job. What can we do?"

No, it's the opposite. Momo and Jin's relationship is rapey while the other two are not. Hmm.

"crack story" a story with an insane, bizarre or ridiculous premise as its starting point.
That is what Haruto and Izumi's story is like to me.

"rapey"... ok. it may appear that way. but in terms of actually doing it, it was consensual. for both pairs.

you are entitled to your opinion and I am to mine
But don't say "no, it's the opposite." It's the opposite to you.
I didn't say either one was "rapey"

It doesn't just 'come off' that way. It is that way. If it's not completely consensual it's rapey. That's 'a crack story' by any definition that I can think of. Ah, well, guess I wasn't taking into account your own definition. And, no, rapey stories don't give me life. Glad I could finally clear up the basic gist of what I was trying to tell you. Thanks.

......wait... so Jin and Momo are considered rapey even though Jin always stopped when Momo refused him, but it's not considered rapey when Haruto forcefully (and successfully since half went in) mounted Izumi...?

That's a bit of a weak argument, IMO. =T

so rude

How are you still alive!

you know the good kind of pain? it was something like that.

I think I was ok because Uenoyama kissed Satou.
And Satou said that he likes someone new now.

SO even after all the heartbreak from Satou & Yuuki's backstory, it felt like a bandaid was put on.