BrokenEchoes's Topics (144)

He probably is, lowkey

Cry about it.

No thanks

You're welcome

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You crazy asf

Thanks Blow job <3

Can you give me a better solution? If you dont, then...

I don't know, man. Compensate her financially and then go to jail instead of forcing himself into her life maybe? Buy her a house so she doesn't have to work as hard and has time to be a mother to the child she ended up having because he raped her?

There are so many better things he could have done.

Did you even reac the story? Sorry but gotta ask...

Absolutely. I get the feeling that you didn't.

You claimed that you've read it, but then how could have such one sided view on things?
Have you never put yourself in the ml shoes and think for second? So selfish and narrow minded. The way you think are just like the mc Ayane at first. At first she only thinks about her side of the story, disregarding the rest. Drowned in her sorrow which made her gone blind. Which is later changed. And that what the story is about. That's what the author want to conveys, hence the ml point of view in the second part. The ml is suffering the whole time, too. And the author did a very good job demonstrating it. And no one in the world who are human want to bring suffering upon another person for no reason. Yes, there are, but its not the case in this story. We have to believe in the goodness in people or how could we go on living? How could we judge a person while we knows nothing about them? There are more to the story than that, I believe. Depens on what the reader can take in.

You said that he could not forcing his way into her life, instead buy a house or providing money. Thats easy, since ml's family is rich and we could see how his father is so readily to do it. But not everything in this world can be solved with just money. What about Rin? Have you ever think about how hard a kid growing up without both of their parent? If her father died then theres nothing to say but he is alive and can be a father, a husband, readily to make up to all the lost time , to take care of them as family and your so quick to deny Rin that?
I swear there are alot more to say but I just can't write them enough.
What? Stalker? I swear to you this is a word that born just recently. A young man and a young woman who work and study schedules finishes late at night and go home in the same direction. As time flies and the man has feelings for the woman and you called that stalker? What's wrong with you guys?

Ew. You sound like someone who would send their five year old daughter off to be married to a fifty year old pervert, and then tell her she should be grateful that someone is going to look after her for the rest of her life.

Just say you support rapists. It's faster.

Why the heck would I want to put myself in a rapist's shoes? Ayane was not selfish or narrow minded, and the fact that you think she is says more about you and how disgusting your mind is.

Ayane doesn't deserve to have a rapist - her own rapist - for a husband. Rin doesn't deserve to have a rapist for a father. If the ML supported them financially, perhaps Ayane would have the time and energy to find someone new and fall in love with someone who would truly cherish her. That way Rin wouldn't have to grow up under the same roof as her mother's rapist.

The author is free to do what they want in their story and I'm free to say what I want about it too. It's gross how so many authors think it's okay to make their characters end up with their victims and try to paint it as a romantic thing. Or act like the victim is in the wrong.

Following someone around and invading their privacy without them knowing because you have "feelings" is exactly what stalking is and disgusting people have been doing that for years. It's nothing new but that doesn't make it any less horrible.

Would you do what the ML did? Is that why you're defending him so much? Why can't you understand what the real victim is going through?

People like you are the reason why victims in real life don't come forward and try to get justice. They have to worry about people telling them to "see things from their rapist's point of view". If you're going to think about anything, maybe think about that for a change.

Both are victims （/TДT)/

How was he a victim? And even if he was, he's still a rapist who took advantage of his victim both when she was young and when she grew up.

When she was young he was the one who was raped by the girl

You honestly think he couldn't have stopped her if he wanted to? She didn't tie him up or hold him down. He wasn't in rut at the time. He wasn't raped at all. She was in heat and he gave into his own desires. He's not the victim here.

So now only tying people up and holding them down is considered as rape? He was affected by her pheromones hence why he couldn’t control pouncing at her first, he lost sense of self for a moment and when regained it bit his own arm, obviously to have more control but it clearly didn’t work coz the girl lost it. How is it that a woman who isn’t able to control herself when rapes a man you don’t consider it as rape coz he could’ve stopped it, but when a man isn’t able to control his desires he is a clear culprit? It’s hypocrisy at best. I’m not saying the woman isn’t a victim, I’m saying the man is a victim too and you’re too blind to see it. Just because he is a man doesn’t mean he is super strong and vice versa.

Of course it's not the only way. Those were just two examples.

If he raped her straight away under the influence of her pheromones l, I might have been able to see where you're coming from.

But he bites himself and snaps out of it, THEN he rapes her. He was fully conscious. Heavily tempted but still conscious of his actions. He could have run away. He could have called for help.

Unlike most women usually are in those situations, he was more in control than she was and he could have escaped the situation but he chose not to.

If she was able to physically overpower or actually drug him, then that would be a different story. But she was a skinny school girl and he was a young man. That makes a big difference in this case but it seems like you just don't want to see it.

When he runs towards her as she falls, he is merely worried and wants to help, later he realizes she’s in heat, he is about to snap but bites his own hand and asks the girl to “run away.” THEN he is raped by the girl. The position he’s sitting at clearly is portrayed as him not being able to move, it can be deduced by 1. He ran towards her out of breath and stamina and the adrenaline rush is wearing off 2. He is in shock loses his mind tries to rape her but controls 3. The girl is shown sitting on top of him calling him an alpha and drowning him with her pheromones, where she’s clearly lost her mind.(Also the fact he asks the girl to run away indicates his inability to stand coz he’s hard) While he is being raped he is blaming himself for how things turned out, most victims blame themselves during the act and after the act is done for a long time. He is clearly shown going through the same.

He was out of breath. He couldn't move. He was in shock. The lengths you people go to excuse rapists is crazy

He didn't seem to have any problems with moving when he was raping her. How convenient. He raped her more than once and they weren't in the same position the whole time so he could definitely move/stop if he wanted to.

Rape is when you don't want it to happen but it does. In this situation, if he hadn't wanted it, it wouldn't have happened. Pheromones might have made him weaker to temptation but they didn't control his thoughts/actions.

He had every reason to blame himself because he was guilty. Unfortunately that guilt didn't last too long since he felt comfortable enough to force his way back into his life against her wishes. Real victim behaviour, huh?

Your hatred runs deep. It will be eating at your heart and soul.
An action is an action, not a person. A person can make multiple actrels in their life. If they do a bad action, and then relize it is bad and reflect on it, and wont do it again, then they are forgiven. Then they are good to go.
This will give you, personally, a chance too. For when you do something terrible in your life and seeking for forgiveness.

People like you who don’t see a problem when it is a man who is getting abused is nothing surprising to me. All I see in your replies is victim blaming and hypocrisy. If he didn’t want it to happen it wouldn’t have happened. This saying can go for most of the victims of rape no? For example: she wouldn’t be raped if she didn’t go to that hotel with that man, she wouldn’t be raped if she weren’t drunk.

I also see how you’ve conveniently avoided the part where he says run away, and backs off. I don’t understand how you see he has reason and control after the girl pounced on him and all his thoughts are blaming himself for the situation. how does it look like he wants to have sex with the girl? It looks like that to you coz you are looking at it through a biased veil.

I agree with the latter part he shouldn’t have tried to force himself back in her life but coincidences exist eh? She would be hospitalized or who knows dead if he didn’t come back with his daughter to give her treatment. They weren’t meant for each other it would be a better story if they found other people in their lives.

Let’s not forget the fact that she tried to have sex with him, film it and then report it later. She also forgot the part where she was the one who raped him erased it from her memory for her own convenience. because living as a victim is easier than living as a perpetrator.

“He didn’t seem to have any problems while moving” - when women feel good during rape or their bodies move on their own, it is often said she didn’t seem to have any problem feeling good. it is still rape, no?

Most Rapists don’t feel guilt or admit they are wrong.
The girl’s trauma is valid, so is the boy’s.

This shall be my last message as I don’t see any point in indulging with this any further. Have a nice day.

My hatred for rapists and the act of rape does run deep. I don't see how that's ever a problem.

And that's also my point. If he had left his crimes/bad actions in the past, it would have been a better story. If he had shown how sorry he was by being considerate of her feelings and supportive of her decisions, your defense might make more sense.

But instead he came back, harassed her almost straight away, and then gets portrayed as a victim as if he isn't blameworthy for traumatising her again in the present. Just because he saved her when she was sick. That doesn't wipe out everything he does to her after that.

I have no intention of raping anyone and, if I did, I wouldn't deserve forgiveness from anyone. People take rape and its affect on victims way too lightly, and that's one of the reasons why perpetrators get away with what they do.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I've cried after reading many stories about male victims of rape so no, that's really not the issue here. I only feel for them when they actually are victims.

I think you should read the chapter again. If you can't see that he didn't want to have sex with her, then I don't know what else to tell you. You're speaking like he had absolutely no control over what he was doing but that's not the case.

Forcing himself back into her life was not a coincidence. It was a conscious decision. Again you're dismissing his ability to control the situation.

She only tried to film him because he cornered her and she had no other way to escape. Not because she wanted to sleep with him against his will. Big difference.


Of course that's still rape but feeling good during rape or twitching isn't the same as actively getting up and raping someone. That takes a lot more effort/energy. You can't seriously compare the two.

Male and female trauma are both valid.

But it does seem pointless arguing with someone who thinks the feelings of an unrepentant rapist are too.

Have a great day.

The thing is I'm way pass that stage that you pointed out and going somewhere better, while you seemed to stucked all along. Move on.

Not sure if you just admitted to raping someone but, if so, I can see why you're so defensive now. I hope you're not treating your victim in the same way.

Also not sure why you think I'm stuck anywhere. You're the one with a problem who commented on MY post in support of a rapist character. If anyone needs to move on, it's you.

You sounds smart but have anyone told you your EQ is low? You just run around in circle, addressing the problem then cry about it doesn't solve anything. And then when someone offering an solution you sit there in your high chair and judge them, while couldn't come up with anything on your own.
Im not saying this ending is best. But the way you just dismissing anything from the ml's side just sound so stupid to me.

You started off your reply saying I sound smart and then ended saying I sound stupid. It doesn't look like I'm the one lacking any kind of intelligence here, emotional or otherwise.

And where in my post did I ask for a solution? This is a finished story. Sharing my opinion about it doesn't mean I'm looking for answers. I'm just sharing my thoughts. It's not my fault you can't read or handle people rejecting your opinion when they didn't even ask for it in the first place.

Just like the ML, it seems like you also can't take no for an answer without crying about it and making the whole thing about your hurt feelings.

I can't help but notice you ignored the part about you raping someone. Are you actually a rapist? Because if you are, that fact that we're even having this conversation makes a lot more sense. Are you trying to feel better about yourself by reading manga that romanticises rape?

So I read most of both your comments and you two seems to have missed the part this is a omegaverse, it's a literal parody of a patriarchal society where everything is how patriarchy says "a woman drunk is at fault cuz she didn't take care enough" "a man drunk is not at fault cuz he was drunk" "she a highschool girl forced me to do it, she seduced me, I couldn't control myself" "she liked it" and so on
The people you are fighting missed the point were a woman with mental problems and Stockholm syndrome and got convinced she was the bad one
And you missed the point that inside the omegaverse story the guy is innocent cuz he was only following his destiny (stalking) he didn't want it to be that way but he couldn't resist her (the rape) after realizing what she did he tried to stay away but love was stronger (him searching for her again) he suffered as much as her (him switching from a prestigious medicine field to a less prestigious because of his mental issues) and so on
In sum, INSIDE THE STORY he, the character, is innocent just as much as her "a helpless omega who is going to live miserable without him" and in the end fate brought them together in weird ways but now they will live happily after (the point here is do we really believe that's how reality is?)

So I wrote a comment to her and now I am writing it to you, cuz you both missed the point,
no the point of a OMEGAVERSE is never "see the other side", a omegaverse is a patriarchal society parody (that's why I don't agree with a het omegaverse cuz usually authors miss the point and origins of the genre)
So first yes inside the story that is being told to us this guy is just a poor victim of fate just as her who couldn't control herself either and blamed him
But I think there is lots of clues you missed like the fact she was 19 but still a highscholer (or she was a 17/18 and 19 is her Japanese age or she was delayed a year or two), or that he was walking right behind her but supposedly didn't feel her feromones until it was too late or that as soon as she gained consciousness she was able to fight and ran even when she was still in heat but he even saying sorry and telling her to run in the beginning but actually didn't fight, the fact he already had a unhealthy obsession with her and only briefly tried to resist after the worse case scenario happened, before going back to try searching for her again, his father didn't reaching out to her sooner and letting his son meet his rapist, he telling her she ruined his life when he only didn't went to a cirurgical field for his mental problems (and still two doctors didn't think about doing therapy to heal that...like they had something to hide) also how she started to remember things as soon as she was accused when it's show to us over and over again that she is in a unstable state of mind (rapist saying "I am sorry" and crying is common and it would be common for a victim to "forget" this memory to not feel empathy for him, and it being unlocked when she allows herself to feel it makes sense but if she blocked her memories because of guilty it wouldn't make sense for her to erase this part if her unconscious was trying to convince her she was not at blame, him admiting he was the one at fault should be her most significant memory) the timing of her memories her actions and feelings Aly very well with a Stockholm victim creating false memories to excuse her predator behavior, his father over all attitude with the father of a staker and rapist who wants to blame another person for his son behavior and ML with a meek stalker and rapist who wants to convince himself it's fate, it's unavoidable
So we have three options:
1 author is just a poor writer who didn't search into the themes she was going to write about and writed a inconsistent story
2 author just copy pasted a male omegaverse story and put a woman as mc whitout understanding what the story was about (since this story is really a cliché omegaverse)
3 the author knew what she was doing and wanted to tell it this way but didn't feel the need to put a male mc (a male mc is usefull to put a distance between us and the mc making us see the story as a outsider)

Either way don't blame this girl who you are fighting with for not being able to see ml as a victim when it is unrealistic for him to be one in the way the story was told (at least unconsciously the story must make people with a decent emotional intelligence see him as a predator even if it was not the author intention)

Also I would like to address this comment of yours hatred is a useful and valid emotion that ensures we seek to fix things, if it's not fixed then forgiveness is detrimental to society, the thing you call "eat your heart and soul" is hate preparing people to fight for it
And people are their actions, repent and become a functional member of society is good, cuz you can help through your actions to compensate, so we as a society can give a second chance but only the victim can forgive, and some victim won't and shouldn't forgive
Your way of thinking is not bad, it makes life more comfortable for you and the ones around you, society definitely need the ones like you to keep the functioning
But just as much society needs people like her to push things fowards
We all have different kinds of emotional intelligence but pushing your way of thinking into a victim can be VERY damaging (specially if her nature is not like yours) so please be careful with it in the future (giving advice like "FOR ME forgive makes ME feels lighter and ready to move on as hate eats MY soul" is just as effective and doesn't push your reality into anyone)