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waiting another year for GTA 6 is fxcking stressful bro ((

just because its real doesnt mean it needs to be the focus of my manhwa. the difference is, stories like this are romanticizing it, making it seem like its okay to just continue even if your partner says no. because thats pretty much all jaekyung does. its actually insane how much rape there is in these stories. your “yum” can be toxic relationships, but in no situation should it be literal rape. there is a definitive line that authors like this are continuously crossing and frankly, it’s disgusting and disturbing how much they seem to enjoy writing about these characters being tortured almost nonstop. it gets to a point where its no longer good storytelling. a few rape scenes isnt that big of a deal- but *this*??? this is straight up fetishizing. this is almost every interaction they have, is kim dan being abused. over and over ffs.
~ sincerely, a 3x victim that just wants to read goddamn normal manhwa. (≧∀≦)

Guess what, we're adults and we know rape is not okay :DDD this is not for kids for a reason. The only useful thing you can do is to use this immense sense of justice by tracking down minors who reaaaally shouldn't read this. (≡^∇^≡)
Authors enjoy? I don't know, maybe... But that's just what sells the most bruh you're just part of the minorities that don't have an open mind and can handle horrible fictional characters._.
Tells me something, are you one of those who are STILL going to read it till the end and be like "omg best seme"?

There are countless movies and other forms of media that romanticize or depict violence, including sexual violence. So why do some people get so upset over fictional portrayals? At the end of the day, it’s fiction. Even if someone were to act out harmful behavior in real life because of something they saw in media, the responsibility lies with that individual, not with the creators or consumers of fiction.

Many people engage in consensual BDSM and rough roleplay, which often includes elements like gagging or being tied up. These scenarios can even involve pretending to be uncomfortable as part of the dynamic. Are we going to say that's wrong, too? Because if we are, then we're ignoring the fact that these are grown adults making informed, consensual choices. Just like actors in a film, no one is actually being harmed, it’s all performance.

Characters in stories aren't real. And even when real actors are involved, they're playing roles in a controlled, fictional setting. So when people explore certain fantasies through media or roleplay, it doesn't mean they endorse those acts in real life. It’s just a form of expression or fetish, and that’s valid.

To clarify, I'm not personally into rape-themed content, I misspoke if it came across that way. But I don’t think people should be judged for exploring dark or violent themes in fiction. Condemning that can lead to limiting creative freedom.

I don’t think creative freedom should be limited, but also don’t think free speech should be limited because if someone doesn’t like something, they can very well comment on it and it may not be a comment that you necessarily enjoy but if you’re in for a penny, you’re in for a pound if you want to support Freedom in creation, you should also support freedom and critique now I don’t necessarily condone being an evil spiteful person when continuing something, but you have the ability to do so in a respectful way. And that is in regard to something like this website or something like archive of our own. Now I personally don’t believe that you should necessarily take everything you consume under a Microsoft, but you should definitely think critically about the media consuming, and that also applies to this one.

You don’t get to apply logic when you see fit. Rape will always be unacceptable with or without children.

Only appropriate way to handle having rape in your story is if it serves a purpose. Mc having a toxic past relationship etc messing up his current one which they can work on together.

This story just shows the seme raping our uke over and over again. It’s not necessary and it’s sick. We know the 2 of the will end up together. It serves absolutely no purpose to the story. Why not do bad when it’s forgiven? That’s what the artist is showing people. Gross.

So now liking BDSM or non-con in fiction automatically makes someone disgusting? That’s not calling out abuse, that’s just kink-shaming.

I’m not into that kind of thing myself, but let’s be real: if two consenting adults want to explore rape fantasies, through roleplay or fiction, it’s not anyone else’s business. As long as minors aren’t involved in the plot or audience, no one’s being harmed. It’s fiction. It’s fantasy. That’s it.

And saying it’s only “acceptable” if it serves some deep emotional trauma arc? That’s laughable. Fiction doesn't need your moral approval to exist. People don’t need to justify their tastes to you. Not every story has to teach a lesson or follow your idea of what’s meaningful.

Funny how rape in fiction suddenly “crosses the line,” but murder, torture, war, and all kinds of violence are glorified in mainstream movies and games, and no one bats an eye. So killing people is fine for entertainment, but writing about dark sexual power dynamics is “sick”? That’s a double standard, and it’s hypocritical.

If something triggers you, that’s valid. But that’s on you to avoid, not on everyone else to censor themselves. You’re not the morality police.

Fiction isn’t reality. No one is being hurt. And if it’s not for you, cool, don’t read it. But don’t pretend your personal discomfort gives you the right to dictate what others are allowed to create or enjoy. You don’t get to decide that.

The fact that you’re conflating BDSM and non-con to actual rape is crazy because there is a clear difference. In the first two when the sub or the person the act is being done to says stop everybody stops. That does not happen in rape.

I feel like you are purposely misconstruing with the other person is saying. They are saying that the rape as a backstory trope is stupid unless it performs an actual objective other than just being used for shock value, and a fetish. Turning it from just a shock to a meaningful backstory that carries emotional weight resulting in the emotional fulfillment as well as a message hope to victims is better than not.

Saying that if rape is bad, then all violence is bad is not a hot take. It’s not even a cold take because those games go out of their way to often explain that violence is bad. Most superhero comic stories, fucking grand theft, auto that almost always has the criminals in question being fucking miserable, like not everything needs a Aesop fable type of moral but all art is political. All art has a message and if your message is, it’s ok to rape your partner multiple times because you guys are in love then why the fuck did you make that first of all and second of all we should be able to call into question your beliefs because what the fuck?

I genuinely don’t believe that you care about anybody else but yourself because people with the stocking point are often selfish because like what do you mean you don’t care about anything other than this like no racism, no corrective rape, no extremely harmful misogynist behavior like what do you mean? What are you talking about?

Fiction isn’t reality however fiction affects reality that’s why people were scared of sharks because of jaws that’s why people think. Rabbits love carrots because of bugs bunny. People are able to like what they like and when it’s not hurting anyone, I’m all for it however, it won’t kill you to take a more critical eye to the media you consume.

Dear sister/brother,
The only thing you made me understand is that some medias aren't for you. Go on your way, don't hurt yourself like that. You can't change people, let alone understand their fantasies.
Best regards.

I never said BDSM is rape, I know it’s consensual. My point is that BDSM literally mirrors rape fantasies, just in a consensual setting. That’s the entire appeal for a lot of people: the simulation of non-consent. Bondage, blindfolds, “forced” scenarios, even stuff like roleplaying with chloroform, are all ways people explore the idea of powerlessness and violation in a safe, agreed-upon way. It’s a kink, and yeah, it reflects rape fantasy. That doesn’t mean it is rape, it means that people engage with those ideas in a way that’s controlled. If that makes you uncomfortable, fine, but don’t twist it into a bad-faith argument where I’m “confusing rape and BDSM” when I clearly never said that.

Second, you’re acting like anyone who defends darker fiction automatically supports the real-life version of that behavior. That’s a dangerous and dishonest leap. Just because someone reads or writes rape fantasy doesn’t mean they want rape to happen in real life, most of the time, it’s the opposite. The fantasy is a way to explore taboo, trauma, or control without anyone actually getting hurt.

You say fiction affects reality, I agree. But that goes both ways. Fiction can be a safe outlet for people to process real experiences or emotions. Saying “you shouldn’t write this” or “this trope is harmful no matter what” is just censorship hiding behind morality. You're telling other people what they're allowed to explore in their own private media, based on how you feel. That’s not protection, that’s control.

Let’s not pretend GTA or most popular hip hop is some deep anti-violence message. GTA is literally about shooting people, stealing cars, and causing chaos, and it’s fun as hell. We don’t demand that game devs add moral disclaimers. Same with rappers who talk about murder, gang violence, drugs, are you calling those immoral too, or do you just reserve outrage for sex-related stuff? Pick a lane.

At the end of the day, rape fantasy is still fantasy. If someone reads it because they relate to the character being violated, that’s valid. It’s their way of feeling something safely. No real person is being hurt, no one is being raped, and you don’t get to dictate someone else’s inner world.

You can criticize writing all you want, go ahead, but calling it dangerous or immoral just because it deals with rape fantasy or dark kinks isn’t critique. It’s lazy moral panic. The same energy boomers had when they thought Doom or Eminem were turning kids into criminals.

If you can handle fiction about murder, torture, war, or genocide without flipping out, but draw the line at consensually created rape fantasy, then maybe the issue isn’t the fiction. Maybe it’s just your discomfort with the fact that people experience sexuality and trauma in ways you don’t understand.

And frankly? That’s your problem, not theirs.

What an interesting topic. Not saying you're wrong or anything, but I was taken aback a bit by the boldness!

You are right, some people's fantasy are more insane than others (I came across one where a character is being...absorbs into the MC's body...during intercourse(⊙…⊙ )...it's obviously not for me but there's an audience for it).

I do believe it's all projection and the demographic reading this.

I like running into you. There's always a good comment or reply coming from you.

This is why I come back to these Topics under Jinx.
There are intelligent people behind screens who understand the difference as clear as day and do not conflate the two sides together.

We've all read and writen something considered "immoal" not because we want it to happen in real life, but because it our curiosity and like you said; a kink. But that doesn't mean we'll act it out.

Those who commit crimes are usually weak-minded individuals who blurred the line between fantasy and reality, thus leads to unfortunate events.

Exactly!

Girl, there are a thousand good stories out there, what the helly are you even doing here? It's fiction, if you're not mature enough to separate things, you shouldn't be consuming any type of fictional work and cut the crap looking for empathy with your trauma dump, it's just as annoying as your whole presence here in the comments.

That's the fun part, trash talking the character hahaha

Do you know trashta?

The funpart is also being a grown up and mature, idk about being childish and acting like this is cod or fortnite forum

For real haha

I can’t tell if you’re saying this is good storytelling or not and that makes me concerned…bc this is very much not that unique of storytelling

girl? so ur telling me this is good storytelling , where every 2 chapters there’s smut n shit . i hope this is satire

If you don't like smut and toxic content, don't read manhwa labeled as such, and then shit on it. That's why genres and tags exist. If you actually read the plot, you'll see it's not as bad as you're making it out to be. It might not be the best compared to what I've read but its one of the most decent one compared to new releases out today.

Some people enjoy that. Some people don't. My question is why are people, who are obviously complaining in the comments about the storytelling/characters, still reading the manhwa? Save yourself the hassle (and a rage comment) and read something that suits your taste.

Rape and all and yeah fucking the mc in front of someone else with him blindfolded and unaware of the same. Well sounds pretty decent. And i really guess you need to read something that's actually decent before calling this "pretty decent". Because I really doubt your definition of decent

I like dan.. except for the fact that they portrayed him too weak and i like heesung and potato too. So I need to read what's going on to know where they'll stand in the next season.

I already knew about the toxicity going in. That’s not the thing I was talking about. I’m saying what plot??? Bc literally it’s just gets job —> rape —> angry man who doesn’t apologize —> cycle repeats back to rape. If that’s what you’re calling “decent plot” boy you have NOT read enough stories lmaoooo

Because its fiction. People can differentiate between reality and cartoon drawings.

I would have totally agreed with you if the op wouldn't have called this one realistic and a good writing.

To each their own I guess :/ personally I think the story telling is engaging but is very commonly seen in yaoi manhwas.

It appears there's a misunderstanding. While the work is tagged as rape, I interpret it differently, considering that Dan consented to the arrangement with the seme. Although I can't recall if all instances were consensual, that's not my main focus. I'm discussing the decency of the storyline within its genre, not comparing it to other works like "Under the Cherry Blossom." What's truly frustrating is how people, not necessarily you, harass the author and give it a low rating simply because they dislike the toxicity inherent in the genre.

Toxic genre = Toxic genre
I dont get why people are so mad when the comic is all about being toxic.

I'm confident I've read enough. Over the years, I've delved into a variety of genres, including BL and novels, so I can discern what makes a good story. Regarding "Jinx," I wouldn't label it as the worst; it's decent. If you've truly gone through the entire comic, you'd recognize there's a depth to the characters' stories, except perhaps for the Seme, whose backstory may unfold in season 2. Again, I stress that within the context of the toxic genre, "Jinx" stands as a decent example. Comparing it to other genres would miss the point I'm making.

I can agree to this because its a critique not a proper critique but I respect that, thats your opinion. However, it's frustrating when people who are aware that the genre as toxic and still continue to complain about it being excessively toxic.

?? uke wasn't necessarily a stalker I feel like ur dragging that, he fell for the uke as a friend at first bc he was the only one who "handle" or know the truth behind his actual personality mabye its been a while for the seme to hear those words from someone else so it touched him the seme is pretty sensitive, then he started falling for him lil by lil ,they r both flawed characters who find comfort within each other we will probably learn more of their backstorys but calling out the uke for being "weird" is literally the purpose of why he struggles with his emotions

?? uke wasn't necessarily a stalker I feel like ur dragging that, he fell for the uke as a friend at first bc he was the only one who "handle" or knew the truth behind his actual personality mabye its been a while for the seme to hear those words from someone so it touched him the seme is pretty sensitive if u look at it, then he started falling for him lil by lil the seme is more open and quick to act on his emotions then the uke ,they r both flawed characters who find comfort within each other we will probably learn more of their backstorys but calling out the uke for being "weird" is literally the purpose of why he struggles with his emotions also I nvr understood the dildo situation does no normal adult have that around ? Like I get in the open was silly but ??!

I don't think their should be any reasoning or "weak reasons" to fall for someone

They've only hung out once, and their interactions have mostly been unpleasant. The Seme was even ready to kill him, for goodness' sake. Then, out of nowhere, after their first hangout, he quickly develops feelings for him? And to make matters worse, the Uke is essentially a stalker, which is a punishable offense.

Picture being stalked, then suddenly this strange stalker becomes your group mate, and you're forced to spend time with someone you've been trying to avoid. Then, out of the blue, this person starts creepily trying to read your emotions during vulnerable moments and sweet-talking you. Would you instantly fall in love with them? Let's even forget the stalking; let's say they're just a random person. Are you that susceptible to falling in love just because they said some basic things like "you're not a bad person"?

Even the Noona found it strange that the protagonist would leave something like that out in the open when expecting a visitor. If I had a straight friend coming over and we were alone, I'd feel incredibly embarrassed if they saw my dildo lying around, and the Seme even touched it, eww, that's so unnatural. In real life, touching something that goes into someone's butt is just not something people typically do.

i dont get why ppl are downvoting u, ur literally just factually right, the author set up the premise of a though and dark love interest and they made him into a puppy in like 10 chapters

No they've hung out alot yeah their interactions weren't the best but that's kinda the point is to built off development within the interactions especially bc the seme was finding it hard to open up to the uke bc he obv had a wall built up even after finding out the one person to find the truth about his personality was a "weirdo" like him, the uke stalking wasn't to the extreme as ur making it seem he did stare alot of front of the seme I think the uke was more pushy than anything which obv made the seme break ,bc he doesnt like ppl getting close to him he hates it ?? That's the point why he has this face smile 24/7 , lil by lil they started to talk way deeper tho I do agree it could've been dragged a lil longer but their feelings towards each other wasn't anything close to lazy writing or "moving on too quickly" theirs going to be more angst in their relationship it isn't going to be perfect and I do think the reason why the seme "fell so quickly" prob has to do w sum in his past but

Neither of them are puppy one just shows more emotion and is open than the other

Their initial meeting was pleasant but brief. However, the subsequent interactions primarily consisted of the Uke stalking the Seme. Are you suggesting that the Seme gradually falls in love with the Uke because of the stalking behavior? If so, that's poor writing. In reality, most people wouldn't fall in love with their stalker; they'd likely report it to the authorities.

I would have understood if the Seme misunderstood the Uke's reasons for stalking him. It would have been better if the Seme knew that he was merely being used as a reference for a script that the Uke was creating.

I think that's why the title is "Don't mix business with pleasure" and the seme is prob going to find out later on I think the uke is starting to falling for him actually but it's too late until the seme finds out the truth ...

That's the very beginning of the story were later on its settled ??! Roughly but settled the seme finally knew the uke intentions on why he was following him around and they talked it out , again I think ur taking the stalking to the extreme bc it was more trying to get his attention??!

Idk either, well people are entitled to their own opinions. :)

Did you get paid to post a hate comment, you're stupid, or you just want attention? Did you even read it properly? Why is your reading comprehension so flawed? Read it again please, I think you left your brain cells somewhere

Girl, did we read the same story????
Are u dumb?
Bffr

BAGSGSGGAGAGAGAG FR

While i don't agree with what the original commenter said either, still you didn't have to be this rude. Especially that they weren't being disrespectful in the slightest they were just stating their opinion.

???? that was the whole point of his character ???? dohu was following juheon in the first place because he also thought he'd be an interesting, dark character for his novel, but realized after a few conversations that he's just putting up a front because he believed his real self was unlovable. juheon's character is someone who just wanted to be told that he's still worthy of being loved even when imperfect and dohu was that person, that's why he fell so quickly.

you just summarized the whole thing so well and clearly. I think that's possibly the best way to put it

Dont worry babe
Action is getting near(〜￣△￣)〜

OH?????

Theres gonna be a “wrestling” match ughhhh and it is SPICYYYY

ARE YOU SERIPUS OH MY GODDOSNSOSNSKAM

im with you!! taejoo and yoon deserve to be together :(

In my opinion (totally not invaliding yours!) I think Yoon and Tae shouldn’t get back together. They have been each other’s whole world for the majority of their lives. They have kept themselves in their own bubble and not allowed anyone else in. Especially on Yoon’s part. He was lost in the beginning of the story for this very reason. Tae at least had more social skills it seems, but Yoon had none. This breakup forced both of them to grow. Growth that they couldn’t accomplish while together, especially on Yoon’s part. Kwon pushed Yoon to not only better his career, but himself. Something I believe Tae not only couldn’t, but wouldn’t want too. If they were to get back together, one or both would get hurt in the long run and they would resent each other. Yoon would either give up the job he loves or go back into the field once he’s healed. Tae would probably get mad and give him an ultimatum since he wouldn’t want to go through that pain again. I do hope they can get back to being good friends, but their time as lovers have come to a close.

It's a fact that Yoon grew so much as a person when they broke up but for me if two people love each other so much why do they have to be separated. Yeah, people might get hurt in the process but it will just be detrimental to both Tae and Kwon. Isn't it great that they've depended on each other since they were young? Isn't it ok for them to keep themselves in a bubble where they feel like they only have each other? It's not like Tae had been a bad example to Yoon, If I'm not mistaken Tae would encourage Yoon to do whatever he wants, he's probably against Yoon pursuing Journalism because he wants to protect Yoon from danger and I think it's a normal reaction for a partner. I believe Tae might not understand what Yoon currently wants but I believe Tae can be a better person for Yoon in the future and I think being together for a very long time is a good thing. Kwon should find a person who will love him like how Tae loves Yoon a person who will risk everything for him.

*It will be detrimental to both Tae and Kwon if they continue their relationship.

In my opinion, being in a relationship means you will be at peace and in love with your partner. If your partner goes to a warzone of course your partner will worry a lot. Even if Yoon and the other guy became a couple I'm sure he will feel the same way, no one wants your partner to be in danger. In a relationship, you should give and take. Tae doesn't ask that much, he just wants Yoon to stay out of the warzone. My mom loves to help people even if it will affect her mentally and physically, my dad and I hate that about her because we couldn't afford to lose her if she keeps damaging herself.

I totally get where you’re coming from and agree with some of your points. Though, I personally do not find it healthy to be consumed by your partner and your partner alone. That’s why I like Kwon getting Yoon to come out of his shell and learn to speak for himself. They each had such a hard time being their own support because they were used to giving the other that weight to shoulder. There’s nothing wrong with relying on someone, but when you haven’t learned how to care for yourself first, you end up like them crashing hard into this new reality. If I remember correctly, Tae even says to himself that he doesn’t have want to resent Yoon. I feel like at some point in their relationship, Yoon would have to choose between his job and Tae. Kwon understands the risk. He has experienced it firsthand. He will worry, but he would never tell Yoon not to go. He will be his anchor waiting for him to come back. Tae and Yoon will always love each other, but it will never be at the level it was before. Both have been too hurt by the other to go back to how they were before the story started.