damn these comments are toxic as hell- of course the story is ‘toxic’ that’s what the author was going for, love isn’t as easy as you guys think. it’s not like the bls where they get a happy ending all the time. this story is probably the most real one i’ve read. love is complicated, love is difficult. so shut up.
Exactly! Hence, the name Love or Hate. It’s literally a struggle of Haesoo and Joowon’s feelings for each other. It’s suppose to be toxic and reveal all sides of what it’s like to love someone but not knowing what to do with those feelings considering their circumstances + pride. Not every love relationship is sunshine and rainbows lmao
In fact, I’m glad the author made this story as real as possible esp with the dialogue (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ
before you read this know this is not a yaoi. the author said many times that this is not a romantic BL. and no it’s not boys love because it’s one sided. i read this over 2 months ago and i’m still traumatized from it. before you read this know what you are getting into. sangwoo is straight, he only likes yoonbum because he looks like his mother. therefore, sangwoo didn’t give a mind of yoonbum and his personality, only cared about the fact he looked like his mom. he gives no damn shit for yoonbum. also, don’t ship yoonbum and sangwoo, they are toxic. i keep seeing people who ship them and they don’t realize how toxic it is. i’m embarrassed if you do.
I'm more embarassed by you spreading lies. Please, show me where she said many times this is not a BL. Also she confirmed at a comic convention what you say it's wrong(it's also backed up by the official Q&A). Sangwoo loved Bum (for Bum and not for his mother), and if you read the story carefully you would understand Sangwoo tried to differentiate Bum from his mother. In the end, Sangwoo called out Bum's name until he died.
Still, this shouldn't be considered as a BL since it is waaaaay above a normal story between two men. Remember that Sangwoo is a rapist, murderer and he isn't mentally stable so his love isn't considered genuine (I would never consider it genuine no matter what).
The fact is that this manhwa is "psychological horror" more than it is BL and therefore, no matter if Sangwoo showed signs of getting better, I still wouldn't consider giving him a chance of redemption. He's very complicated so his "love" isn't completely love but rather something else entirely. It's a deep subject and I would love to analyze it properly one day since it isn't that clear as you stated it. ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭
so your just gonna forgive sangwoo for murdering, raping, abused, etc...to others-
Sangwoo never got his redemption so I don't know what you are talking about. Still, you probably never heard about Harada, their works portray every type of people ( psychopaths, pedophiles etc.) and they are still considered BL which is just a label. Would you say the same for Painter of the Night? Seungho is a rapist, a murderer and a clearly mentally unstable person and yet I don't see people saying "PotN is not a BL"
No, never said that. But saying he never loved Bum is wrong because the author clearly said Sangwoo loved Bum, and that KS is a BL (thriller), so stop spreading lies or incorrect things
sangwoo never loved him, would you make your crush murder someone and tell them if they didn’t you would kill them too?
You are talking like Sangwoo was a person without issues. Also, it's the author who said that, not just me, but the creator of the story. It's amazing you are saying you know a character better than his author :/
I agree with you, this story definitely portrays the build-up of affection and care.
Even if Sangwoo is mentally unstable, this is still creditable for being intimate and is a BL.
BL is a broad term, and not a specific genre - for which this is a thriller/psychological.
To expect work with the tags; horror, mature, and psychological to be your "normal BL story" you'd have to be ridiculously mistaken with how these pieces of work function. I'm assuming those who are misunderstanding the portrayal of these characters are young and immature or just childish.
Emotions are complex things and we should understand this with the mature tag, it is not a "normal love" and while there are many who romanticize and focus the harsh aspects of the relationship between Sangwoo and Yoonbum, this is not at the fault of one party, and completely an individuals choice.
I'm truly disgusted at @animeweirdo's attempt to change the subject about the author for their own beliefs and put the focus of the disagreement on the "Wrongness of the relationship".
Thank you for standing up for the author, Natsumi. This work was truly a psychological roller coaster and deserves the praise it gets. (〃 ̄︶ ̄)人( ̄︶ ̄〃)
lol, if the author said that sangwoo was in love with yoon, then that's that. stop saying it like you're the one who created this.
Thank you for this explanation. I hope people with the same mindset like @animeweirdo can fully understand how this story really goes.
are you retarded
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sometimes i think that author herself hasnt read KS. im kidding..? lmao
i agree with u
"Sangwoo never got his redemption so I don't know what you are talking about."
I said that even if he did, he wouldn't be redeemed in my eyes.
"Still, you probably never heard about Harada, their works portray every type of people"
I've heard about Harada actually and did read their works.
"they are still considered BL which is just a label."
I agree about that. BL is just a label yet people still think it's healthy to ship Sangwoo and Yoonbum. I don't shit on other people's tastes but there are other couples who at least work on their problems and become better for the person they love instead of this mess of a supposed "relationship".
"Would you say the same for Painter of the Night?"
I would say that Painter of the Night is BL.
"Seungho is a rapist, a murderer and a clearly mentally unstable person"
Yes he is, but he has a lot of moments that prove that he's not completely mentally unstable unlike Sangwoo over here. For that to be clear to you, you'll have to read to manhwa.
"yet I don't see people saying "PotN is not a BL""
The big difference between PoTN and KS is that KS is first and foremost a psychological thriller while Painter of the Night is a historical manhwa. I can't compare KS to PoTN at all but I can say for certain that there's no love in KS so BL is technically just B there ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭.
I read PotN as well and Seungho is still a shitty rapist, also if it's boys love that, even KS can be boys love
Yeah he is and Sangwoo is as well
Are we done?