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*live together now (instead of in 4 years)

I KNOW! WTF? I was so mad at that, I can't eve. That's TOTAL BS. He waits 11 years, then has to wait 4 more? Over something as stupid as that?? NO NO NO!

yup! totally agree
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I totally agree

I think it's haikyuu fan art

Thats oikawa and iwa chan from haikyuu !

It's from Haikyuu!! And it's fan art there is a dj with them dressed like that so it must be from there

I only just noticed when you said it! (≧∀≦)

I agree with you.

What Dohyun did to Sungho wasn't rape. If you tell your boyfriend that you're leaving/breaking up with him and he has sex with you, do you think you rape your bf? It's not the same as kidnapping, beating and raping someone repeatedly, which can easily lands you in jail for at least 10 years.

while I agree it's not the same, I still think both situations were rape.

If you're talking about laws, it would be a lot easier to convict Sungho of rape because he forced Dohyun with physical means (ropes, chains, beatings, etc.) which is something that can easily be seen and used as evidence.

When Dohyun raped Sungho, there was a lot more mental abuse and coercion. This is not something that is so easily seen as evidence of abuse. This can just be seen as "he has a weird personality", "he's antisocial" or "he's got mental problems".

Just like in chapter 28, when Sungho didn't want to be touched on the shoulder by that random kid in class. Everyone thought that Sungho was at fault and that he was being rude (antisocial, picky, defensive) and their opinion of him just made him more isolated (which makes it easier for Dohyun to coerce him).

This isn't a situation where two people are dating, and one gets tricked into doing something that they would have done anyway (like, "here eat this cake!" "oh well, I was going to do that anyway, but since you insist, I'll just do it right now!").

This is more like, "hey I'm your neighbor! If you want to be my friend, give me all your money and have sex with me! If you don't I'll steal all your mail and run my electricity off your power meter!"

I don't see how it's the same analogy at all. The relationship was a fuckbuddy thing. Dohyun did not verbally demand Sungho to have sex with him in exchange for anything. Sex was what the relationship was based on. When Sungho didn't want to have sex, Dohyun walked away.

It's literally "Hey I'm your classmate. If you want to be my friend, have sex with me." Dohyun hasn't threatened him yet with anything other than ending their relationship (which doesn't seem to consist of much other than having sex in the warehouse). I do actually agree that this was rape, because Dohyun heard his objection, lied to him that there would not be sex, and then cornered him and put him on the spot, with bonus gaslighting. But it seems much more like an initially consensual relationship descending into toxicity because of Dohyun's ego/Sungho's dependency than calculated abuse by Dohyun.

It's true that we (the readers) never saw a verbal demand (and I won't pretend I know there was one behind the scenes, because I don't), but we can tell by their interaction that the message was getting across, "You're here because you want to be friends with me, and I'm here because I want sex. If there's no sex, I have no reason to be here."
Sungho said he didn't want to "do those things anymore", and Dohyun implied through his actions that he wouldn't settle for a no-sex relationship.

Sungho didn't want the relationship to be based soley on sex, or on sex at all. But he knew that he (Sungho) had everything to lose, and Dohyun had nothing to lose. If he wanted any interaction with Dohyun (who was probably his only "friend"), he would have to settle for being treated as more of a sex toy or ona-hole than as a friend.

You don't have to say anything outright in order to manipulate or abuse someone. In fact, it's the things that the victim can't explain to others that are most damaging and hard to recover from. Having a friend was very important to Sungho, and Dohyun used this against him.

This I agree with. He was used and manipulated. But he still had a choice--just not one he liked. Maybe one friend is important--but he chose to be used rather than lose that "friend." He did have choice. That's an important distinction--he knew what he was doing and he consented. I mean, it still sucks, but it is not the same as having choice taken away.

To me, both of them are wrong.

In the end they'll just be two messed up people.

Yeah, it's definitely different from having your choice taken away, but I don't know which one's worse. You either have the option of blaming yourself (for being raped or feeling like you were raped. or feeling like you did something wrong that made the relationship end, etc. etc.) or you have no option to say "no", but it lets you know you're the victim and it's not your fault.

I think it hurts more when you expected respect and love, than when it comes out of the blue by someone you don't know or like. (but I wouldn't know and already feel pretty presumptuous saying all this)

This relationship was a "f*ckbuddy thing" where one of the buddies didn't actually want to f*ck and stated that he didn't want to so he was raped. It's a harder concept to grasp, but things like this do happen. The verbal interactions and the body language from Dohyun towards Sungho doesn't seem friendly sometimes. It seesaws from seemingly friendly to toxic. Like, he said it, all the words that were written on Dohyun, Dohyun wrote on Sungho. None of those words were kind or friendly or anything healthy f*ckbuddies would have written on their partner. They were possessive bordering on creepy. They seemed abusive and cruel, especially considering the request Sungho gave to Dohyun, that he didn't want to have sex and he just wanted to be friends again (which, I think from the flashbacks, they probably were before all this they were more normal friends; Dohyun being popular and Sungho probably being a loner).

I'm not saying Sungho is in the right, he totally isn't. But that said, what happened to Sungho was rape. He didn't want it so therefore by definition sex was forced upon him because he FELT like he didn't have a choice to say 'no' (no matter how illogical it would seem). This kinda stuff happens.

yup, well said!

It's so hard to describe!
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Those last sentences are false. Sungho had a choice to say no. Dohyun didn't force him either verbally or physically. Sungho chose to have sex with Dohyun to keep him around. He gave consent. There was no rape in the past.

I agree with you 100%.

I wouldn't go as far as to call what happened rape, because people assume that it is convictable by law which is too subjective and dependent upon the country. Clear cut rape could lead to prosecution in one country and be dismissed without even acknowledgment in a report of another.

I agree that the sex was coerced, meaning that the sex was pressured in a situation that one party would otherwise say no. So verbal or physical consent is given but through means of manipulation. In some contexts, coerced sex can be just as detrimental on an individual's mental health as rape. Personally, I consider such actions sexual abused regardless of if it could lead to criminal conviction.

No one deserves to be sexually abused so I'd say what both characters did was wrong.

yeah, I agree

You are very perceptive. Kudos to you.

Coercion is also a legal term that most probably can't be applied to this case (Sungho was not threatened with physical harm, unemployment, jail, lack of food, etc., nor by someone with the power to make good on such threats)
. I'd say it's emotional blackmail. Dirty, good ol', nasty, emotional blackmail...

Blackmail can be used as a method of coersion. Wasn't using the word by legal definition, because that's also too subjective and even less enforced than legal rape. As I said, that is my opinion regardless of if it could lead to criminal conviction.

Yeah.
Those two probably feel equally awful for the people who experience them.

It looks like this author's work. Sakuragi Yaya I couldn't find a story that matched the picture, but it may be one of the side stories in one of the books of this site. Good luck with your search. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

thanks! i hope it's not just a random drawing...
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It could be the characters from manga Heart Strings by the same author as this (Akira Norikazu). The face shapes are different but the hair, clothes and gun are on point. I think it's fanart so it'd be that artists style.

I'm guessing that there's a specific weird or phrase in Japanese that means to 'feel each other with clothes on'... But there's no English equivalent. :)
It is a funny way to say it. :)

Lol yeah, that's probably what happened!