kyouran's Topics (340)

fuck off hypocritical bitch..
this is an OMEGAVERSE,, damn bitches..!!

You know, you can disagree without name calling. And you have no way of knowing if this person is being hypocritical. Please try to show some respect.

I would be against the teen pregnancy if it weren't for the fact that they already seem to have the family of the mom-to-be supporting them, and even having been hoping for this development before hand. He has a great support system, the dad-to-be does actually love him, and even stated so BEFORE they went into heat, showing that this was not just a heat induced pairing. So I am willing to give on this one. I am actually enjoying it even with the rape trope and teen pregnancy.

Oh, trust me, SayerSong, I'm enjoying it as well, I if you noticed, I didn't criticize the "rape" because it is an integral aspect of the Omegaverse and many times I even find it sexy; but I don't like that he got pregnant so fast when they hardly knew each other and they are still in high school. I've liked how in other Omegaverse the uke is immediately taken for a medical "intervention" after the rape, or the seme uses a condom, etc. etc. and those stories with pregnancy have usually been with adults. As a matter of fact, I can only recollect one other omega teenage pregnancy, but that story was depressing as hell :/

Oh, I figured you were enjoying it to. And I can see your reasons for disliking the teen pregnancy thing. I have read a few Omegaverse with teen pregnancy and most were depressing. That is another reason I am willing to forgive on this one. It is a bit more light hearted. Though I can understand why you would not like it for that very reason. But hey, that is why the comments are opinions. LOL We each have our own. I guess one of the other reasons is that I have been reading Teen Mom where the girl is pregnant and moved away to college without telling her boyfriend OR her parents, and to me, while she is older than the characters here, she comes off as a lot less mature than they do because she didn't own up to the fact and tell the people that are supposed to be important to her. So like I said, I am just glad to see a teen pregnancy story where the character has the support of their family and friends as well as the father to be. But as I said, that is only my own opinion.

I see you have Killing Stalking in your reading list,
bruh, that is way fucked up compared to this one! XD

I wanted to say child prostitution is waaaaay worse than anything but after reading ch 19...nah killing stalking is the worst.

*_*
where do you read raws of killing stalking?

Comparing what is worse? Doesnt matter, both are horrible.

Might as well read this one. x)

What are you talking about? ???? Killing Stalking falls under the thriller/horror genre which I don't have a problem with. I have a problem with stories under the Drama/tragedy genre; I try to stay away from stories where lovers die, don't stay together or innocent children are abused or worst, where life's tribulations and angst seem non-ending. Those type of tragedy stories have a strong effect on me and make me depressed, that's why I try not to read them. Or maybe don't see a distinction between the two genres? Conversely, though, I do have a huge problem with chap. 19 of Killing Stalking which I had already commented on, but that's another issue. People should try to think before they react （￣へ￣）

I guess Anonymous is not the only one who doesn't distinguish between the horror genre and drama/tragedy.... but sorry, as much as I hate chap. 19 (and ranted about it) of Killing Stalking, there is nothing worst in our human reality than child suffering and that is a universal consensus.

You can find the raws at http://www.lezhin.com/ko
You can find the english translated chapters at http://www.lezhin.com/en
You have to pay with coins to unlock the newly published raws, usually 3 coins per chapter. You can buy coins using a credit card or paypal.

ehmm....yes it does matter; child abuse in drama has a more profound effect in the human psyche than what happens to adults in a horror movie or story. Of course that there are people that can't stand either, but in terms of moral weight and the effect it has in the human consciousness, child abuse (rape, beating, mental abuse) takes the crown as one of the most grievous of human evils. I seriously don't see how you can place on equivalent terms the prolonged suffering of these two children (based on everyone's comments here) with a sensational horror manga like Killing Stalking. I'm actually baffled at these comments, as I realize people don' t recognize not only the differences in genre and the different expectations one has of each, but that they find the "child suffering" in this story far more tolerable to what is happening to adults in Killing Stalking, which again, is a horror manga.... smdh....

I agree on all what you said. I wont read this, because to me has a strong effect in my mind the child abuse, especially sexual abuse, than all the terror Ive read in KStalking. Besides, is a different genre so that the way its conveyed all its way different

Exactly, annabis, it's like comparing apples and oranges.

First off I would like to point out that there is no tragedy tag above mate,
Second I would like to ask before any judgement if you have actually read the content of this book?

Wasn't I clear in my post that based on the comments of several fellow readers I chose not to read this? which btw, is most definitely my prerogative.

thanks!

So, basically you are judging a book by its cover?
The comments below aren't even legit, and isn't even the center point of the story.
Your basis is as if you're someone that listens to rumors and immediately define it true, without seeing the actual thing before judgement?

I am guessing that most of your thoughts that what might be the content inside this book is base on what you see in the cover? Mixed with most of the comments that doesn't really explain the story well at all. This story is about prostitution, yes, but the MC is trying to look for a way out, this story is obviously going to be a happy ending if you read it actually. It is about a brother trying to find a way to escape the sad fate they have been dragged on, to look for a way out to have a normal life with his little brother. If you're not into mangas that is about REAL LIFE hardships and hopes, well... I really am not trying to start anything like a fight or something but hearing someone despise something so easily without even giving it a chance is just too... Annoying.


Sorry, but if you're really not into this manga and all. You can just leave without starting something... Sorry.

You know, it just hit me now.... So according to you, the viewpoint of all the readers that have something to say about this story that is contrary to your opinion is not "legit"?, but yours is? :)

btw, you don't have to worry about me thinking you're trying to start a fight or anything, or even take offense; I don't agree with your reaction but I'm an ardent believer in freedom of expression, and that's one of the reasons why I don't "thumb down" fellow readers whose opinions I don't agree with, (even with those that have been plain nasty) and in the spirit of transparency I prefer to be upfront with people and I'm not afraid to assert my viewpoint even if it's unpopular, so I wouldn't expect any less for anyone else. I also engage in this Yaoi and other forums under the assumption that most of us are adults and that any public opinion I choose to share is open to contention from fellow readers, and I'm ok with that. however, I do think that you are being a bit irascible about this whole thing, taking it a bit much to heart for what it is....have we crossed paths before? it's hard to tell with the anonymous handle.

But regarding your estimation of my character, let's just assume that I am indeed a frivolous ninny of limited sensibility and cognitive capacity, who is only interested in fluff because I lack your superior mental and emotional dexterity to appreciate and understand the dramatic stories that explore and depict the darkest aspects of the human experience; if that were the case, why would that upset you so much? even though you are within all your rights to think whatever and feel however you want :)

For what I read of the comment of kyoran he/she is not despising the story, only has chose not to read it because like some people, me included, its disturbing, because Ive already read mangas with this topic and I know it make me phisically sick . In my case I can be weeks depressed not being able to get it out of my mind, cause this situations happen so often in real life.. is too awful to think. Everybody has his right to read what they want and have an opinion to share or convey it. And I read mangas of all types, included the dark ones but I know there are mangas, books, whatever that I dont like and I dont have to force myself to read them. Thats the reason of write a sypnosis in the back of them. Anyway if you are trying not to start a fight you are not doing it very well ;/

It's cute how you keep putting :) faces,
but dear love please be reminded that the word "legit" has two meaning.
Either it could be "TRUE" or "AWESOME",
I was referring to awesome, I was stating that the comments below aren't awesome due to the negativity, that the comment section is not perfect compared to some others, and I don't think I recall saying that my statement is "LEGIT", which maybe you immediately thought as "TRUE" basing to your words unless you're adding something up inside your mind.

"Mixed with "most" of the comments that doesn't really explain the story well at all."

That sentence would be my additional answer for your first paragraph, and then you said that you don't thumbs down to fellow readers you don't agree with? Preferring to write and state with your mind instead? Odd, doesn't that make things worse rather than a simple thumbs down? By the way, I think it's okay for you to thumbs down in this comment section. Just by your words "I don't thumb down with fellow readers I don't agree with..." But here in your condition "...I chose not to read this?...", you didn't read, we aren't fellow readers in this comment section.

And then you added, "it's hard to tell with the anonymous handle". I am actually confused with this statement, are you saying "what" or "with"? If it's what, then yeah, we don't really know what strangers handle in their daily life, and if you are saying "with". Well, are you pointing out that I am a coward because of being an anonymous. :O yup, I guess this is pretty much a cowardice act huh? But, isn't it smarter to play as an anonymous in a site that you are allowed to be one rather than actually making an account? The internet can be a very scary place, you never know.

Then again you said something about "Lacking...explore and depict the darkest aspect of human experience...", well, WHOA THERE LOVE! Why would I think you lack the superior mental and emotional dexterity?
You mentioned "I have a problem with stories under the Drama/tragedy genre; I try to stay away from stories where lovers die, don't stay together or innocent children are abused or worst, where life's tribulations and angst seem non-ending. Those type of tragedy stories have a strong effect on me and make me depressed, that's why I try not to read them." That already gave me a hint dear, I don't see the point of you taking it back?

I'm the one you called and pointed out stupid love:
"People should try to think before they react （￣へ￣)"
"Exactly, annabis, it's like comparing apples and oranges"
"I guess Anonymous is not the only one who doesn't distinguish between the horror genre and drama/tragedy.... but sorry, as much as I hate chap. 19 (and ranted about it) of Killing Stalking, there is nothing worst in our human reality than child suffering and that is a universal consensus."

Love, this manga and Killing Stalking are both worse. They fell in the same category, they're both a crime. There is no such thing as the "WORST" of all crime, because a crime in general is already the WORST of all worst. Don't get me wrong, I freaking LOVE Killing Stalking. I stalk it like I'm about to kill it xD, seriously though chpt 19, Sangwoo you fucker! Poor baby Bum, he really did it with that knife. For goodness sake, I was already a dork of a fan of it when it only has 2 chapters available in here and then suddenly it became hella famous. Which is great! Now people are talking about it.

By the way I am a bit confused o-o, you stated that I am being "a bit" irascible which is actually I admit true in a way. Then suddenly you said that I am upset? I said I'm annoyed, not upset love those are different. Sorry, I wasn't really going to say anything when I tried to joke about saying "I see you have Killing Stalking in your reading list,
bruh, that is way fucked up compared to this one! XD"

I even put XD <- to point out I was joking in a way, I wasn't actually expecting for you to get triggered telling me those things above, and to that I am sorry. I am actually still surprise that you are still here, basing on the thought you have no intention of reading this manga.
But I guess you're not mad about this kind of replies, hopefully. You should have expect it, you are expressing your freedom of speech under a manga that some people find promising. No matter how old you are, it is still in the human extinct to defend something they love. It doesn't make a person immature dear if they are making a valid point, I wasn't also actually going to say further more when I said my first comment buuttt...you continued on lecturing even though you already said you aren't going to read this. Imagine yourself in my shoe dear, of course I'd be checking this manga out constantly since I find its potential and then here goes that person who isn't even giving this manga a chance and kept on commenting and describing its dislike.

Wow, I understand your freedom of speech. But everything has a limit, comments like mine is already an expected result since you kept defending yourself under a manga that some people likes. I know you're not mad, this is expected to happen dear love:).

Don't worry I won't reply anymore after this, you can defend yourself all you want and no doubt I'll be seeing it since I am constantly checking this manga that "I like". I am even tired just by looking at how long my comment is, and I only type it for a short period. Whoa....
have a nice day ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

P.S:
You're awesome, don't think about this too much dear (▰˘◡˘▰)

O.o ... LOL! like I said, irascible. Now I'm almost sure we've crossed paths before, cause you got too emotional for what this is. I hope you end up feeling better.

I think you just got owned! *insert mordecai and ridbiy's OOO*

HHAHAHAHA SORRY, I read that long ass explanation the anon said and he/she pretty much has a point. I don't think he's upset lol, he's annoyed.
And it's natural for someone in a fandom to defend, it doesn't necessary mean they're EMOTIONALLY immediately upset lol. As he/she said you should have expected it, these kinds of replied when you talk about your freedom of speech of dislike to another fandom. You should really fully understand what he/she said before saying anything, I know it's GODDAM long but it's actually funny hahaha!

You just crossed a fucking lawyer! Hahahaha, this fight is hilarious.

Hello. Well maybe would be a tongue barrier but I dont get what of kyoran said as ofensive. He didnt say the story was bad or the topic was despictable or anything, did she/he? And the fandom? I suposse you mean people who like the manhua, I didnt read kyoran had said anything bad about them. I dont get anything, really. And well, to my perspective, anon seem very upset, if you like the manhua, fine you can recommend it and share why you like it, but there are manners, and there are people who will not try to read it even so, theres nothing bad about it. I apreciate when people advertise in comments if there are disturbing things and I sometimes thank that too. Well, have a nice day Im sweet annabis right now, haha

Actually is the other way around (haha), maybe you should go back and re-read the whole thread or learn about logical argumentation and emotional intelligence. we just learned about emotional intelligence in my communications class and how we should always present our views in a logical, respectful and calm way. This thread caught my attention because I think it’s very impressive how even though kyouran was trolled for no reason, he/she responded to the attackers in a very composed, respectful and intelligent way. Kudos to him/her for that. I really wish I had his/her ability to debate but I can’t put words together like that or stay cool like that.

From where I’m standing kyouran decided to sit this one out after reading other people’s comments on how bad the children in the manga are having it and he/she didn’t feel like dealing with it. then comes anonymous and decides to act like a troll, sneakily checking kyouran’s reading list first to find something he/she could use to attack kyouran and came in with the stupid excuse“ how dare you not read this manga when you are reading killing stalking!” dude, first off if anyone would’ve done that shit to me, I would’ve been like “fuck off, asshole. It’s none of your damned business what I choose or not to read, the fuck!”, but instead of blowing everyone off, kyouran was cool as a breeze as she smartly responded to all making them look like the idiots they probably are, but it’s obvious that anonymous was being malicious looking for a fight from the beginning, because he/she just kept pushing, making even more baseless assumptions and digging his/her own grave, because kyouran never once said anything bad about the manga, didn’t say it was horrible or that was shit or that it was garbage, none of that. all kyouran said was “not gonna read because kids suffering is depressing stuff”, that’s it , and because of that anon and the others decided to bully her, not knowing she would crush them all with just her pinky (haha) neat!

If you pay attention, you can easily pinpoint the moment when kyouran crushed anon and the others, and anon realized it too and felt it haaaard, that’s why you can notice anon’s aggressiveness escalating with each of his/her posts and was foaming in the mouth in the last one, shouting and rehashing kyouran’s words as if that would make his/her “argument” more valid, when it just highlighted his/her anger and weakness. My professor even quoted to us “a fool loses his temper, but the wise man holds it back” and the way anon acted is the perfect example of the angry fool, and kyouran of how a wise man/woman keeps their cool in an argument. I just wanna say dude, being a troll is not socially acceptable, and I’m surprised only one other person called out anon on his trollish behavior [good job annabis] while a bunch of other people, including yourself chose to join in anon’s trollish bandwagon. Mangago is one of the friendliest sites I lurk and trust me, you don’t want it to go the way of the pits like other manga sites hijacked by trolls. users shouldn’t tolerate or support trolls or bullies because that kills the joy of interacting in good fun with other yaoi readers.

Hi annabis, trust me it has nothing to do with tongue barriers. English is my first and only language (haha) and I see it the same way you do, kyouran never said anything bad about the manga, all she said is that based on the comments of other readers that mentioned that the kids in the manga were suffering a lot, kyouran decided to not read it because she didn't wanna feel depressed about the kids suffering. And I think too that anon had malicious intentions from the beginning and just kept trolling kyouran and kept getting angrier and agrier with each post. That comment about "I'm not looking for a fight" is bullshit because it's clear as day that's all he/she was doing from the very beginning, but kyouran turned the tables on him/her (haha) and that drove anon into a spitting rage. I just wanted to say that you're not the only one and that you're a brave and good person. the world needs more people like you!

The same goes for you, the world would be better with people like you too. I wish I could express the way I want in english like you and kyouran do, and could undestand better the irony on conversations. Thats why I always doubt if anyone is being rude or not and because I hard to me to understand why a person would have interest on act like a troll. Its a mistery to me. Thank you!! (⌒▽⌒)

I don't think anon is mad because of her/his not liking this manga,
If you've read anon's long explanation I think he or she is mad because Kyouran kind off pointed out that anon is stupid in a way which is "disrespectful". He or she even said something about just saying Kyouran liking Killing Stalking as a joke, and wouldn't have said anything else if Kyouran just didn't continued on pointing his or her stupidity in a way and took anon's words seriously. Anon kinda have a point in this one, by the way. Anon kinda denies the word "upset", and you and Kyouran kept using it is making me doubt in something. Did you read the full conversation before making your judgement?You said you just got this lecture in class, so obviously you have to look at this in both of their perspective. Not just going on protecting someone just because they back out, and avoided the trouble. Sometimes those type of people are the ones who started the fight...

I'm just saying this because it's kinda unfair for anon in a way you know, no one wants to be pointed out stupid just because they made a joke to be funny yet corny.

By the way, let me add something I forgot to type in.
You said you just had a lecture about logical argument and emotional intelligence, right? Revolving towards LOGICAL, RESPECTFUL and calm way. I admit anon wasn't "calm" but if you just HAD READ and UNDERSTAND anon's long explanation you can obviously see this towards anon's comment that he/she possesses those two elements compared to Kyouran. For goodness sake anon copied and paste all of Kyouran's words against her/him, and answered it. Anon didn't even swear and instead called Kyouran dear love, on that long comment she or he made. Those were just replies that Kyouran said against anon, I don't see anon being disrespectful. He/She was pointed out stupid first and defended himself/herself in a VERY LOGICAL way, I don't consider Kyouran backing out in this fight actually, she/he was the last one who commented between the two of them, more like anon just defended himself/herself and left.

I think you're an anon just reading Kyouran's words not paying attention to the other person's point of view, or either it could be you're Kyouran going anonymous or you're one of his/her friends. By the way “ how dare you not read this manga when you are reading killing stalking!”??? Where did you come up with that? I thought you studied logical argument? Anon clearly said "I see you have Killing Stalking in your reading list,
bruh, that is way fucked up compared to this one! XD"

You do know in logical argument you are not allowed to sum up some false made up ideas right? Anon is clearly joking, he or she even put an emoji like, what?! Did you actually READ the ENTIRE EXPLANATION anon made? I don't believe he or she was looking for a fight, anon even said it there. Dude, your defense LITERALLY BIAS!

And how can you just assume anon sneakily went through Kyouran's file to gather up something to trigger a fight, for goodness sake Kyouran's not the only one anon said that to. Look down buddy, V-chan was commented first before Kyouran. It's clear enough already in there that this is the first time anon met Kyouran, and if you ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD the conversation they're not fighting because of the manga's CONTENT anymore. You're just simply BIAS buddy, you're not even being TRUTHFULLY LOGICAL.

I know you've got a lot of replies but I have to agree with you. People telling you which is way worse are off mark. What's way worse to you is different from which is way worse to them and it's unfair and unrealistic to put two different people's level of understanding and empathy in direct fight that way. I read the comments as well and won't be reading the manga. My take on it is that as an adult who has a good childhood andam quite happy with my life right now, it will just depress me to think of small children having to whore themselves/starving etc etc.

Killing stalking? Yeah that's murder but it doesn't hurt me the same way thinking of children suffering does. Spoiler alert* while killing stalking do divert back to the past, it is not explicit enough that it doesn't hurt me and at least I know where Bum and Sangwoo is now. They're alive. Away from their families. The little boy in this manga this people are talking about? I don't have the same certainty and don't want to read it unless I'm certain he came out ok.

I think the people who come after you to compare your perception of agony and what would hurt you most against theirs is ridiculous. Just hearing that a boy will get raped and some people speculating that only the older bro will end up happy hurts too much that I won't and CAN'T read this just for my mental health. You should do what makes you happy. The amount of people telling others not to be swayed or influenced by comments is ridiculous. When people are telling you that they might get hurt/depressed over it and you're telling them it might not be that bad ACCORDING TO YOUR STANDARDS is ridiculous. Are these people ready to be responsible over someone else's mental health? Are these people so sure EVERYONE gets hurt or feel the same way about EVERYTHING? That they can bet their life on you not walking away from this manga depressed? Trying to influence people who are already slightly hurt just from comments to read the exact story that might tip them off the edge is stupid. Telling people oh it's not as bad as Killing Stalking when you don't know what THEY themselves feel is worse but go just BY YOUR OWN STANDARD is ridiculous.

I just want you to know I support you and there's nothing wrong with not wanting to hurt yourself. Nothing wrong if you feel this is worse than Killing Stalking. There is something wrong with others telling you what you should feel is worse. They're the problem, not you.

This manga's comparison to Killing Stalking is NOT
the main reason of the fight, it's the one that started it but
It isn't what the comments above is arguing about.

this is way more realistic plot then him overcoming his psychological problems and successfully running away from sangwoo

after his first atempt so escape sangwoo showed him some kindness and bum was lost. in would be different with mentally stable person.

Actually, even a mentally stable person would be susceptible to crack under such terrible mindbreaking circumstances. I'm not arguing that it's not realistic; My personal expectation was for Bum to overcome the horrific circumstances, to be able to beat the odds by using strength he himself didn't know he had, and to overcome. He showed promise of this right before the concert, where he finally broke down. It would have been far more interesting if Bum had been able to "appear" complacent to fool Sangwoo, until the moment he could strike (in whatever manner) and finally free himself from the horror. Now this went from a suspenseful thriller to a typical horror story. I understand that it's a matter of personal perspective.

i just read chapter 18 and 19 and man this shit gets even more interesting

Totally agree with you!! The 19th chapter is utterly disappointing, therefore I stop here with this manhwa. It became way too disgusting for me...

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I thought it was possible Bum would resist at the point where he was on the floor, with the knife, still hesitating, and then she said things that triggered him. Once he lost it, then he was acting out his own repressed aggression on her (though Sangwoo did plan and direct the whole thing). See, the turning point for me was when he was there, with the knife. In theory, he could have hesitated and been forced, or even turned the knife on Sangwoo and been punished when he failed, but once she reminded him of the past, he lost whatever last bit of morality/reality he had held onto. But I do wonder at the end, because he says he still doesn't feel normal (or something like that).

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Anoni, I was reading and kind of figuring out what was happening, but I was kind of in denial, or better said, hopeful that he would resist :/
I mean, this was completely different than that time with the old man where he was conspicuously physically forced by Sangwoo; however, this one is on him.

Now, let me ask you this... The way I interpreted that scene is kind of as if Bum "forced" himself at some level to project that past experience with that girl, in order to be able to "do it", you know, kind of like pumping himself at some conscious level to actually do it because without that "prompting" or trigger, he wouldn't have been able to. Or do you think that he was just overtaken by the memories and anger? I really do think he kind of forced himself into that mental state of mind...I mean, his entire reaction felt forced, as if he "wanted" to do it which could be as a result of his jealousy of the girl (especially after that whole sex scene), because she was mean to him before or simply because he wanted to assert or solidify his relationship with Sangwoo or a combination of all three things.

I totally understand you. I'm with one foot in and the other out :/

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I think you are probably right that there is a combination going on. I read it the second way--that he was releasing feelings he had pent up (maybe his whole life) and that had focused on that first girl for so long. I think Bum is responsible for his choices, and that he had crawled towards her wondering if he could kill her, but that yes, he kind of lost it when she said words that were similar to that bad memory.

I don't mean to excuse Bum, I simply think that's where his head went. But the Jaynia translation has a different (probably better) ending than the one I first read--Bum is upset because he is *not* feeling guilty. So, that reinforces that change in Bum--you know? He looks at the blood and says she was alive and now she's dead, and he did it--but he does not care. This is different than the "I don't feel normal" version I read, but it makes more sense. Sadly, I think your Bonnie and Clyde vision is what's going on. Bum isn't just doing it for Sanwoo (though he probably would never have done it without Sangwoo). I think he's stopped thinking of her as a person, and so killing her to release all his pain isn't bothering him. Once you dehumanize others and start using them like things, it's all downhill.

whoa, the difference of those two idiomatic expressions "I don't fee normal" to "I don't feel anything" does change the context in Bum's state of mind, dramatically! There's no doubt linguistic nuances make all the difference. My heart is still heavy with disappointment but I'll continue on to see where is headed :)

I totally agree with you! His character pisses me off.